If only it was that simple. I think you'll find that nothing is that simple. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perseverance
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If only it was that simple. I think you'll find that nothing is that simple. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perseverance
If they are everywhere then we can't be looking in the wrong place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lolkatz
Enlighten me, where should i be looking as a th9?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lolkatz
Any th10 out there finding good loot? I'm already at crystal 1 and can't find anything here...getting pretty annoying
at the Next buttonQuote:
Originally Posted by Athn
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Originally Posted by Antonioca
You Sir, hit the nail so hard.
This is half the core issue about this game (having no plan), the other half is the fact that it is still a "freemium" game, which everybody forgets. The players are not the main priority, but our pockets. Maybe they know something we don't know and now try to get as much as they can.
Supercell never expected such a big success and they are clearly overwhelmed (we see for one year this message "coming next!" in the dark barracks, and finally they come up with ONE flying golem-pig-thing, seriously?) This paired with the "philosophy" of having small teams and being afraid of change (or SoftBank?) is just a recipe for demise.
Updates and upgrades grow almost exponentially from TH8 to TH9 and 10, yet the latter are the ones being hit the hardest when it comes to loot issues, get the least amount of loot and the highest penalties, what's the logic behind this? Right, the challenge (of nexting) should increase..GG.
Already spent 200k of gold looking for a base....still nothing
I will say it's been a while but was really happy last night with these, on top of the crystal 1 bonus. Plus In a war right now and getting 1.4 mil for my Clans win tonight :) 187HideUrWife 61 War Wins soon to be 62!
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I was thinking about starting to boost my barracks 2 times a day + spell factory. Thats 100 gems per day. 100 x 30 = 3000 gems per month = $25,00 per month. Why should I do that If I cant find bases? Might as well just win wars to get loot and collect my resources.
The word entropy springs to mind... time to pump more in
paging GuildedThieves, please report to the one & only loot thread... we are lost without the daily reports... please do not keep us waiting long :o:pQuote:
Originally Posted by GuildedThieves
Congrats and a HUGE THANK YOU to SC for fixing the loot problem!1!1!111
Not. At. All.
On the plus side, I have more time to do other things in my life. AND more money with which to do it.
Haven't boosted barracks in weeks... no reason to do so. Haven't gemmed a build time, either. Why bother? I've got builders hanging around like they're in a union on their late-mid-morning coffee break.
Oh, and anyone making claims that the loot is good is either a) TH8 or below, or B) hasn't done the math on net resources obtained per raid post-update.
If (A), then please enjoy it while you can. Max everything. Walls, bombs, traps, collectors. Every. Thing.
If (B), then maybe bust out excel or a calculator or even a paper and pencil and do the math. Farming doesn't yield positive net resources. It's as simple as that. I don't care if you Barch and don't use spells. It doesn't pay.
Finding one fat target after 200-300 nexts (and 10-15 minutes search time) isn't "good."
I just hit th9 with a maxed out th8 ,loot was ♥♥♥♥ and now is worst.
What I am doing about it?
1-riding shields until the last minute
2-raid to compensate for what was taken from me,stop playing or just chat with my clan mates then wait for my next shield
3-repeat step 1 and 2
at the moment I am not quitting for now ,but I am really considering it.
I downloaded the "clone game" and will try it out
will delete boom beach and hay day ,I used to play them while I waited for my troops when I didn't boosted barracks.
Speaking about boosting SC will not receive my measly $10 to $15 a month that used to get for gems to boost.
I have seen 3 of my old clan mates complain about loot for a while and they simply when dead from the last season and have to be kicked.Is really important to understand that these people have been with us for almost a year,people that we knew by their real name and knew about their real life.
SC have an awesome game ,Is a shame that they are trying to get more $ that what they can fit in their pockets,in the end this great "plan" can backfire on your company.
Thanks for reading my .02
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Originally Posted by Perseverance
I maxed my th9 few weeks ago. Walls to lego and lava. Heroes all lv 24.
Th9 loot is bad but still th9 can raid th8, th9, th10
Th10 loots is a different story, but as a th 10 myself, all workers are all busy.
Yes, I found loot,
but this doesn'e mean that loot is good. Of course you can find loot, but it's pretty stressful.
I assume you are th8 and under. Th7, th8 is the most enjoyable th swimming in loot.
Let's see what you think, once you get to th9 and later when you reach th10
Finding loot and having bad loot is a different story.
Even if loot get worse than now, still people might find loot with endless attacks, grinding.
Pepole might attack 150 times gaining 50000 per attack to upgrade just one Th10 building using barch.
This doesn't mean loot is good.
Created an account just to reply in here. Don't know what you're all speculating about. It's obvious that the current loot is the result of the Chinese script that's gone viral.
Not going to discuss the details here as that's against forum rules but the current loot situation is not the result of the latest patch but rather automated bots doing barch-attacks on any base they specify (I guess most set it to 100K+)
There's also no quick fix for this situation as it's simply what we farmers do but then automated. SC probably wont acknowledge this before they have a fix to avoid attention to the posibility of scripting attacks
Edit: The reason it can't be fixed is because they are literally doing what farmers do. Just much more efficient, all day long and with unlimited amount of people at the same time. SC can double or triple the loot, doesn't matter. All that will do is increase their profit while we're left with the few bases their bots haven't emptied out.
Could be, but I think it's improbable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkay
Not once have I been attacked by a bot, although I have resources to justify an attack, and not once have any of my clan members been attacked by one either.
From the videos I've seen from these scripted attacks, they are also quite inefficient.
One other thing you can check is that after the update, what mainly changed is the availability of elixir. Gold was always a bit scarce for some time now but, since the update, most of the bases I find have less elixir than gold available.
Posting on the forum about crab legs while continuing to completely ignore the 1000s of complaints about loot just feels like a kick in the teeth from supercell.
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Originally Posted by warmbird
you don't say !
This is my first time posting to the forum, but i have been playing clash for over 1.5 years. I have almost 1 billion gold grab, and I have never seen loot this bad. It's unbearable. It takes me over 100 clicks (100k spent) to find a base that is at least 125/125/50 which barely covers the cost of hitting next as well as the cost of training my troops. It's not only since the last update, but for months now. There was a time where i could click next 15 times and find a few 250/250/800 along the way, easy. not anymore.
If it continues, it's going to drive the hardcore players like myself away who pride themselves on leveling up without gemming.
but i guess that is supercell's objective...to promote gemmers and line their pockets along the way.
_vt1arch
This is my first time posting to the forum, but i have been playing clash for over 1.5 years. I have almost 1 billion gold grab, and I have never seen loot this bad. It's unbearable. It takes me over 100 clicks (100k spent) to find a base that is at least 125/125/50 which barely covers the cost of hitting next as well as the cost of training my troops. It's not only since the last update, but for months now. There was a time where i could click next 15 times and find a few 250/250/800 along the way, easy. not anymore.
If it continues, it's going to drive the hardcore players like myself away who pride themselves on leveling up without gemming.
but i guess that is supercell's objective...to promote gemmers and line their pockets along the way.
_vt1arch
Good stuff, right.... xDQuote:
Originally Posted by warmbird
Well said .. Now the moderator will move this post... But when will we get a response from Supercell?
We know the mods read it ... But what does super cell do with it ?
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Originally Posted by warmbird
The only thing more frustrating than not being able to find any loot and being limited to only BAM/Barch armies is the continued silence from SC on this topic.
Surely at this point in time SC has monitored the situation and now has all the data they need to determine if there is a problem.
Is it asking too much to expect them to make any kind of statement about the loot.
I mean if this is the way they want loot to be, then so be it, but at least let us know if they think it is a problem, are they working on a solution, or they are happy with things as they are.
It's getting hard to accept that SC actually cares about the players at this point.
Just has their head buried in the sand.
I know what you mean. Clicking next over and over again. I started using a giant archer combo to get into storages. But rven then theres little loot in there. I have to settle for 80k gold
sad to say that threads like these being moved to a larger thread that does not get one single helpful response from the staff of SC has become a tradition that players here now are used to and can predict its occurrence before it even happens.
Simply said, SC will not bother helping out on matters that do not benefit them financial-wise. Utterly, utterly disappointed
EDIT: as i was typing this, the thread moved. quick work, efficient 100%
We've got over 3000. Time to close this and open the loot thread number 3!
I've been playing about the same length of time. What is especially weird is the number of grey-shield bases I see, with sleeping builders, and yet virtually no loot (either in collectors or storages). After the update (with the lava hound) loot decreased as usual, but seemed to recover. However, after the subsequent "server maintenance" loot has been absolutely abysmal. I've never seen so many consecutive sub 100k bases for so many consecutive days. I'm a new town hall 10 in crystal II. I can't say it's because of the loot penalty, since the TH9 and TH10 bases don't have any loot either. I don't find it fun at all to gem storages. The fun of this game for me is the raiding, not clicking next.Quote:
Originally Posted by vt1arch
It's hard to believe, this thread is going bigger and huge pages but SC is still silence. I just get 136.440 gold (minus), 50.182 elix and 498 DE. I can't believe, gold for searching cost is much more than gold comes from raid. This is a raiding game or searching game? I suggest SC pull the trigger on your head...Suck...!!!
Th 10 with about 1.5 billion gg. I haven't been playing much outside of CW due to the loot issue, it can be found but it takes 100-200 nexts and there is no fun in that. I tried logging on last night and searching, after spending 150k and seeing nothing more than 50k I had to quit. This really needs to improve somehow if people are going to continue to play.
When Softbank,SuperCells largest investor I believe begins to see the revenues drop off sharply they will move in and the brain damaged team behind all of this will be sent packing. It will be good sport to throw rotten eggs at them when they are sitting on the soup line wondering what they did wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elyaser
Nah. It's definately bots. Sure, there's less elexir available in storages as before but any hardcore farmer did 75%+ of his attacks on collector-raids anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by pmos69
The only storage raiding army with 'low' training time is balloonion. And that's not really fast enough for hardcore farming TH9+ where you need to earn 2-5 million a day to keep your builders busy.
It's the lack of collector-raids that's crippling farmers. And it's because all those raids are being done by bots taking them out of the queue because the type of attacks will also give the collectorbase a shield.
There are still collectorbases around, just veeeeery few above 100K. I'm finding collectorbases as long as they're in the 80-90K each range. My theory is: because they have it set to 100K before they attack. That's also why after the recent maintenance breaks there was plenty of loot to go around for an hour or two. Took the botters some time to restart their scripts and then drain the queue of all collectorbases.
That's why it's in the rules, so SC can promptly ignore one thread instead of hundreds.Quote:
Originally Posted by lxnce
see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil
Except the bot can automatically start reconnecting once it's been logged off the game. The bots are back online faster than anyone else, which means that the bots aren't solely responsible for bad loot (no dead bases with full collectors), its SC doing something to the search queue. I'm pretty sure they control how much the inactive bases show up on the queue, them being higher on the list after mainteance breaks/updates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkay
Hi my name is WTH and I'm gem free since the last update :-)
I believe:
1) SuperCell doesn't care about us!
2) They have taken our money, walked away and disrespected us!
3) I'm happy as heck SC fubar-ed the economy now rather then later, a thousand($) into this game is enough!
4) As a close to Max th9. I have now lost the desire to Gem for inferno towers, Xbows and lvl6 Wizards etc.
5) Our clan chat has gone quite, the chat log goes back more then 24 hours, people are slowing down and leaving.
6) Guys who would gem a few hundred a month are not gemming anymore.
7) We are all sitting watching hoping our Finish friends fix this mess they created.
8) SC wants new blood guys.
9) I sure learned a lesion with these guys, looks like many of you are also (a bad lesion)!!
10) Oh and NEXT NEXT NEXT ... SUX !!
Nexting is not fun and more than half my time playing this game is now nexting.
LOOT IS BAD!
Even if the bot can auto-reconnect (which I dont think is in the standard script since there's no need except for maintenance breaks and the predictable 'you've been playing too long' period) a maintenance break will ensure a period of about 2 hours where no farming has been done. That means the queue will have filled up with collector-bases again. And even if they do it all faster then regular farmers it still takes them an hour or two to 'drain' the queue of all freshly available collector-bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by kharnikhal
Edit: The problem (lack of collectorbases) only enforces itself because plenty of farmers are no longer farming because of it. Which means there are less storage-bases as well (the scripters ensure they're always on except for the mandatory 'break'.
You took my comment out of context. I was quoting the guy I was replying to when I wrote that. I was stating that his argument was fallacious, and it is ignorant to say that because his clanmates are finding loot, everyone should be finding it.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngthegreat
Agree, money, or lack there of, is the only thing that will motivate a correctional change by Supercell to fix the Clash Great Depression. Unfortunately, in the technology space, Finish companies are not well known for continued innovation... look at Nokia. Rovio has just copied their once terrific idea over and over. To fix the clash economy it takes someone who understands economics more that a graphics designer. Frankly, if they just read this thread they could fix the economy quickly; stop E for walls or at least make them 2x the cost of gold. Once fixed, allow a 1 gem for 2 week collectors boost and things self correct from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by wannabgod
Finland prides itself on "fairness" so the Elixr for walls idea seems "fair". Reality check, the world is not fair and neither is a game that is built on the concept of battling and being able to gem to get an advantage. Supercell, if you want to make this game "fair" just give us all max TH10's... oh wait, you would't make your money. Circle of life, I have a very hard time believing that your revenues are up now. I suggest selling to Microsoft, Sony or any other real gaming company before it's too late.
Th9 barcher here. I'm actually not complaining about loot. I can average 2-3 million a day unboosted, I know it's not impressive or anything but I can keep all 5 builders busy.
The only thing I'm kinda worried about is that many of my raids are storage raids, with barch, haha
Those, and if the connection drops, or you lose signal. Anything really, thats why it auto-reconnects non-stop until it's back in the game doing its thang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkay
Cheapest th9 upgrade in terms of gold at th9 is 3.2 million. Averaging 2-3 million a day and keeping all builders busy all the time is a stretch bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelicaX
Ok, so here i sit waiting for collectors to make coins :-(
I am a TH10 with max weapons, spells, troops, level 20 AQ and BK with skull walls. I have searched down to 442 coins, my single player campaign is complete, my revenges either have a shield or are online...
So here i sit waiting...waiting to enjoy playing again. I wont gem loot to attack...so here i sit after a year and a half playing daily and truly enjoying the game.
Wether it was SC's doing in the last update with the walls, wether its the Asian bots or just bad karma we really need to get this fixed before it drives too many of us away.
I am sitting on a $50 itunes card that i havent loaded into the game yet...not sure i will at this point.
My situation! I'm not going to buy gems at this moment in the game. Boosting makes no sense now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEACHBUM
Loot had been better for a while, but it is at it's all time worst since last Thursday.
I've been fair and objective about the situation, but I am closing in on a week of the worst loot ever.
On top of it, saving has gotten much harder, because as soon as you have 100k available you are getting raided.
There is no loot. I quit 6 months ago because of it and I come back now and it's even worse. People are using ♥♥♥♥ or whatever it is and taking all the loot from the honest players. I'm TH10 and in Crystal 2, there is no reason why I shouldn't be finding loot. I spend over 200k in gold searching for bases that make me lose resources. FIX YOUR GAME. Developers couldn't care less, they're getting gem money from all the new players.
I use to love this game when I started playing it almost 2 years ago. But now it's turned into any other business adventure, don't care about the users and just care about how to make more money. As someone who has spent money on it and has got countless friends to play it I feel ♥♥♥♥♥ed.
Seriously thinking of getting one of the clash clones and deleting my file for good. Does anyone have recommendations?
If you are bored move on.
Before you quit please max the collectors and move them to one corner and defences to the other. Let others have better loot :o.
I'm not bored. I still enjoy raiding (when there is actual loot) and the core functions of the game. I'm complaining about a clear flaw in the game and how the developers really aren't doing anything to fix the problem.
It will be a straight up quit/delete my whole account. I'm not giving anything back to this game now if it comes to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AThingCoC
awww.. don't be like that!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
Can you post a picture of your base? Just curious how much progress one can do in 2 years.
If youre not completely bored of CoC then i just suggest not to farm. Find a war clan and war constantly/push trophies/try to come up with new strategies, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
Yeah good suggestion. Take part in wars where you spend almost as much as you receive and push where you can't receive loot. + the chance of losing wars actually makes it completely not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AThingCoC
Not really because you have to factor in buildings that cost elixir as well, plus most buildings average out to being 7-12 days to upgrade. After all that you really have about 2-3 days before you need to upgrade a building with gold even with 5 builders. I am in the same boat. I average 2-4 mil per day (no boost cuz its a waste atm) and have had no problem keeping my builders busy, plus I can get about 4 or so skulls each day on top of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perseverance
I still think the loot sucks but it is what it is, makes you have to work a little harder. Some nights I get insane luck, but pretty much every morning it is just atrocious. From what I have learned by my experience is you have to find the right time of day where the loot is good then go crazy. If it takes you more than 100k of searching to find a 200k base then put it down and come back in a few hours cuz it ain't worth your time.
Another huge problem is all those town hall snipers out there giving all the big bucks shields (me being one of them). If the only way to get a shield was by getting 50% I think a lot of our loot problems would be solved.
It doesn't matter, these bases will go into the deep black hole after 2 weeks anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AThingCoC
Well to answer the original question of the thread as a couple thousand have already established... The loot is disgustingly rare. I do hope SC can fix this soon becuase i have a lot of friends i've seen myself quit, and its really interesting to see SC rolling out updates that dont actually fix the economy but throw in a bunch of random new features. Dont get me wrong thats great, but prioritize people... Economy is most important, i've seen loot go from full collectors to rarely full collectors to half full storages to no loot in either storages or collectors. Cmon supercell!
All for killing th shield. But they need to give a shield at 30% instead. Else you would get raided 3-4 times a night!Quote:
Originally Posted by Is0prene
The whole point of my argument is that this bases aren't reachable unless if you're using the mod that makes you search for bases with a minimum amount of resources. And that developers obviously don't care because all of my old clan members that use it still have accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by D3X
It's getting pretty clear that devs don't care about this issue.
My suggestion for the loot crisis. Because I'm almost certain it's because of people using mods (at least for TH10s). After hitting the search button say 50-100 times you start seeing bases with more loot. The technology is obviously out there because third parties make programs that make it that you can see 200k/200k for every search. There is no reason why I should hit the search button 100 times in a row and still see bases with under 100k in loot.
For the first time ever I'm starting to see why ppl ccheeat in this game.
Honestly who wants to hit a button for 20 minutes every time they try to raid. It's an insane waste of time unless you are a kid with not much to do.
Max th9 here fwiw
Clan: AdultsClashToo
Sn: Spyro
I don't think that's the source of the problem. It's no different from players hitting next 200 times. There's is less loot, period. The speed nor how many times a person or a mod would search doesn't make appear more or less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
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Originally Posted by Spydoc1
You're onto something here. Some even have maxed collectors. No Shield. No gravestones and yet no loot available either. Maybe 70k of each.
Something has gone wrong and the lack of support from SC about it to me indicates they don't know why and probably don't have a solution yet.
In 21 months this is now the worst week yet I've seen for loot.
Ok say that there's 5% of people using the mod (and in my old clan it was 10%) that's 5% of people taking all the sleeper bases. So, yes actually, it would make it seem like there's less loot because a small amount of people get access to these bases 5-10 searches in.Quote:
Originally Posted by D3X
Just curious...what does the fluffy bunny actually do:
A. Clicks Next automatically until it comes across a juicy base, then attacks automatically
OR
B. Somehow fetches a juicy base with fewer nexts
I thought it was A but dunno coz I don't ♥♥♥♥♥
They probably tried raiding and found that they could not make a profit. Better to just empty collectors and wait. After a while they get tired of waiting and they log off for good. Heartbreaking to see long-time TH10s stop playing because it is just no point in raiding for resources unless you start treating it like work - running only tier1 troops over and over and over ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Biz
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Originally Posted by Nutteralex
See, The problem is people start believing all this fake propaganda about fluffy bunnies or mods that make loot appear from nowhere or taking all the loot out of the game. This is absolutely a bunch of crock. All the bases we see are exactly what the mods should see, it's the same matchmaker. It doesn't have a magic query to take away bases from the search that aren't worth raiding (ie 5-10 searches). There's absolutely no way it goes around it, the matchmaker is something SC strictly controls.
This also applies to the bot that everyone is blaming, which from my research is only an automatic clicker and doesn't actually raid very well(there is no logic behind it except random spamming of troops) to gain any traction or even advantage especially in this loot environment that requires everyone to raid storages. I would imagine that it actually loses gold given the amount of gold wasted searching, lose elixir on troops wasted at a failed raid.
The reality is, the loot situation is exactly what some people have predicted back when Elixir Walls were SNEAK PEAK'd. Elixir is the life blood of the game, if people don't have elixir, people raid a lot less and this creates a collapse in the economy because the players that collected loot into pools(in storages) worth raiding are no longer able to. Why? where's all the elixir? TH10s consume Elixir much greater than any other TH, and they don't actually create Elixir for the rest of the economy. Well, believe it or not the lower levels between TH5-TH8 are 95% of all the players in CoC is where Elixir is generated and abundant with are being vastly consumed faster in WALLS. If you read through the forum, most of the players that have LOW level walls and Low level Town Hall are the ones rejoicing on the Wall Change. See this poll: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-(Post-Update) Majority of the high level players do not use elixir on walls. And it makes sense, if they have a builder open, they buy the stray wall of 200k-500k worth of elixir to retain their loot rather than having a failed defence rob them the same amount. This was the same technique I preached for gold, and why gold was harder to farm, the same is now applied to elixir.
There is absolutely no incentive to even store a mass abundance of elixir in your storages, as people get desperate and do full raids on you. Check the latest threads questioning where all the TH snipers have gone? Well the problem is, people aren't passing up storage raids in desperation to keep a float (from losing too much from searching). So now people that are trying to farm no longer store any of it either, which compounds the problem.
And since the now the vast majority of active bases have no loot, all of a sudden everyone is now looking for inactives since those are the only ones worth raidable, there's not enough to go around. Therefore = 300 search Sessions. It's a chain of events or a butterfly effect that ripples through everything.
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by D3X
The elixir walls decision really makes no sense. What was the reasoning behind it anyway?
That people had elixir sitting around without any use for it?
If you were a TH8 or 9 with no elixir updates remaining, wouldn't that actually drive you to upgrade your TH?
They should have made elixir walls an option only at TH10 or for walls lvl 10 + imo
You don't understand the mod. The mod doesn't raid for you. You put what you want in it (for example 200k Gold/ 200k Elixer/1k Dark Elixer) Then, what the mod does is give you bases with over that many resources when you search. It's not propaganda or anything it's a real mod. A few people used it in my old clan and now they have almost complete maxed out bases (walls and everything) and they started played much later than me. It's not made up and it's not propaganda. it's a very real mod that I almost got, but you have to jailbreak your Iphone for it to work.
You probably use it and try to convince everyone it's not real.
The point is the people who use it get access to sleeper bases and weak bases with loot very quickly. Making all the honest players skip through the ♥♥♥♥ that the mod users don't even come across.
I'm one of those people who had maxed elix on both accounts. But it wasn't burning a hole in my pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by BezG
I didn't care. My th10 made wizards, pekka, dragons for my clan.
Now neither accounts have elix and cannot get close to rebuilding that stock pile.
I understand it. They can plug in whatever number they want. The problem is and where your logic fails you is that, it just actually would still search like you and I and it actually uses the "NEXT" costs and literally burns through the gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
Why don't you understand this?
Just picture yourself searching for 250K gold, and nothing comes up, what difference does it make when the mod automatically stops the search for you for 250k gold? By the time it finds 250k gold, he's burned through 300k.
OMG. It doesn't skip search over and over again it just give you the base.Quote:
Originally Posted by D3X
Want to prove that? I bet you can't. Because SC would have long been able to ban it if this was possible. All I can see happening is a client side ♥♥♥♥ that allows you to NEXT fast. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
As I understand it, when you hit NEXT, the game fetches you a base from a queue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
To do what you're saying it would require that the mod sees all the people in the queue and then cherry picks one to attack. I'm finding that hard to believe possible
I'm not jail breaking my phoneQuote:
Originally Posted by D3X
Did you see it in a video or a webpage somewhere?
Exactly. Fake propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
You're asking him to prove a negative which is pretty much impossible.
you're saying "Prove this ♥♥♥♥♥ is not possible"
It would require him to know every possible ♥♥♥♥♥/mod out there and try it
Instead why not you prove that it is posssible?
Stop talking about this, please. You are promoting ♥♥♥♥♥s and this is forbidden.
No my old clan members used it. And like I said they're not hardcore gemmers and all had weaker bases than me (by far) and are now completely maxed with last level walls. You can't deny a mod is ruining the economy when people are gaining huge amounts while the rest struggle to find a 150/150k. I don't doubt the economy is fragile from the producers as well, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BezG
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Originally Posted by BezG
I'm not asking him that. I'm telling him to stop spreading false pretenses and rumors.
So you don't know first hand, then why are you describing functionality as if you know exactly? This is exactly what Rumors & fake propaganda are made from. Why don't you go back to the old clan and ask them if the loot is any better for them. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
The fluffy bunnies have nothing to do with it, they existed far earlier than the latest update and the loot never declined this drastically. The fact is, the changes made to the economics of the game (Elixir Walls) has contributed to this the MOST.
And besides. I know that I skip bases that I could raid just because hitting the next button becomes a repeated motion, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. If it is the mod you're thinking it's still giving people a clear advantage.
And the economy has been ♥♥♥♥ for the last 6 months, I quit 6 months because of it and came back and nothing is different. I can't get into their new clan because of how much I fell behind. But the main guy I know uses it is in the same trophy count as me and has his storages going fine.
It's a clear advantage, I don't know how you can't even agree with that.
LOL is this some sort of rebuttal? Sorry, we all make mistakes and I'm sure everyone hits the end game or next by accident. what clear advantage would it have if nothing comes up, and you no longer see easy raids (100K with collectors in a line) since he/she has thing turned on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
And advantage or NOT, the problem is still unrelated to what you claim as "sucking the loot out of the game". Which holds NO Truth. Read my response a page back as to where the loot went.
Basically what you're saying is that people jailbreak their phone to download a mod that doesn't actually give them an advantage. Of course it gives them an advantage and it certainly has an effect on the economy. BTW I just checked the guy who uses it. Has all his archer towers done, he's heroes are still being upgraded and has probably more than 10 more maxed leveled walls as well as having half full storages for both resources.
I'm not saying the producers aren't part of the reason why the economy is failing, as I agree that there has been NO updates to do anything to fix it for as long as I can remember. But what I'm saying is that the use of mods certainly has an affect on the economy and if you can't agree then I don't know what to say, either you use them and are defending them or you're just plain stupid.
I'm not defending anything, I'm just logically breaking this down for you as and making you understand that the mod impacts a lot less than you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
Are you saying that these mods are actually the biggest contributor to the collapse of the loot system? Or was it Supercell's Update with Elixir walls? Which one is the biggest source of the problem?
Answer that. That's what I'm trying to get at.
Guess what? Same here! But even I'm saying it's WAY harder than before the update.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
You answered your own question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
I'm not saying it has ZERO effect, it may but it has little or nothing to DO what what we're all seeing right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
I think it's a mix of a bunch of things. I said I've thought the economy has been bad for 6 months. I think it's the use of mods, the fact that the last update that would help the economy was a huge bust (clan wars) because you have one team winning and spending almost as much to make the raid as you do win, and then the other guys losing which is spending a crazy amount of resources for essentially nothing. Also because there has been no update in the last year that directly fixes the economy.
I don't think walls are the main reason either. If that were the case gold would probably be easier to find, and honestly the only resource I'm actually gaining a decent amount in is Dark Elixer.
It comes down to the apathy of the owners because they're still making money off new players trying to skip a few steps so they don't care about the game as a whole. Whether if it's making more penalties for mods, making a new level collector, or making bad moves, like you say with the walls.
Like anything complicated, there is no one sole reason for anything happening, it's usually a mix of lots of different thing.
Did you happen to read and try to understand what I wrote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutteralex
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post2975727
I'll add one more thing, prior to the update how many TH9s had FULL Elixir all the time? And what about now?
yes I did, but it doesn't explain why there is no gold either. If people were spending just elixer on walls, wouldn't there be more gold to go around?Quote:
Originally Posted by D3X
You're overlooking the fact that this mod has an option to keep your account active, essentially providing your base with an artificial shield for at least 6 hours (I don't know if you need to manually re-load your game after the forced break). Hence, you won't find these bases in your search for loot. Little or nothing to do with the issue? I guess that depends on the amount of people making use of this mod...Quote:
Originally Posted by D3X
Look i think we can all agree the loot is really bad lol
and this is the most active thread on the forums...
i was just wondering if any one from supercel actually reads this lol
only reason i ask is cos nothing ever changes :(
and buy the look of it its never going to
and that i think is sad
You are delusional. You think the economy is good just because one arrogant th7 has loot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xizeta
Honestly, you are full of hate.
Who knows if supercell reads this. I think the only thing that will prompt them to correct the loot system is if gem revenue goes down from players leaving. If gem revenue goes up because enough people are impatient and gem the resources that are no longer available from farming, then this system is here to stay.
Yeah pretty much, I'd be genuinely surprised if anyone from sc had read this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorsus
LOL, if the loot penalty is that mild, why don't you rush to TH10 then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xizeta
Do u guys still not believe me?Quote:
Originally Posted by salvador2285
They playing with us...
One thing they never thought was the loot is so bad, that raiding aint even worthy no more...
Right, so they all started using this mod all simultaneously right after the latest update. That's why we're having a shortage of elixir?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onomatopoeia
why do we even bother posting
supercel dont give a toss about us the players lol
all supercel care about is the bucks and lining their pockets
like i said before its a sad state of affairs :(
makes me so god dam angry:mad: