The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

loot is unstable again, one moment you get an inactive and the next raid you search forever to find nothing.
I hate depending on inactives

Reward deffence to many are shielding there loot with th outside, they your loot problem, if whatever you noticed on your data was ok then farmers are the problem

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Originally Posted by FLGatorsEliteJu

I don't want to call anyone specific out, but I think this should be said:

Loot is bad, but it is not as bad as some are making it out to be.

People who are exaggerating are not helping the cause. It is taking about twice as many nexts post-update as it was before the update. But some are acting like there are absolutely no good bases, and it's just not true.

Why should SC listen to us if we aren't being real about it? Twice as many nexts is quite a decline in gameplay experience. If average nexting time went from 5 to 10 minutes, that's very significant. So just report that.

I have not had a single next count over 200 (I hit 196 yesterday, and I won't be surprised to break that record soon, but still...). But prior to the update, I almost never hit 100--and that was over a much larger sample size. So clearly something is wrong (HINT: elixir is being spent on walls), but if people are saying they nexted for half an hour and found nothing, they are either exaggerating or in the wrong trophy range by a large amount.

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Good honest post. But I'm amazed that anyone would press next 196 times, as I usually get bored at around 30 nexts (max) and attack anyone with more than 50K/50K of resources. Needless to say that my GPH using the method, is woeful. :)

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Ah sorry, my mistake there. However, it still means you are talking about loot derived from collectors, which again should not be lumped in with the league bonus.

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True, but this happens even in crystal and masters, and again, it doesn't change the lesgue bonus or the amounts in people's collectors.

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It doesn't change either of those directly, it takes away from their impact. When loot is leaving the system at a faster rate than it is being passively generated it is a loss in available loot without that loot being used towards progression. If you are bleeding loot due to nexting it would make sense to attack a village for the bonus and meager loot it offers rather than have the loot be lost to nexting.

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Again, this is nonsense. If everyone went to crystal and above to farm off the league bonus, all the inactives from silver and gold leagues would fall to the back of the queue, effectively removing them from the game. This loss would be far greater than the gains made from the league bonus. Otherwise, everyone would already be doing it! You're acting like it's inefficient to farm collectors when in reality it is inefficient to farm off the league bonuses (unless you keep adding in base loot, then it becomes ambiguous. However, again, this is derived mostly from collectors anyway).

The only exception to this would be if there was a coordinated effort where everyone sits their THs outside, which is unrealistic.

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I'm not suggesting people give up on farming collectors , I am suggesting that people be encouraged to move away from lower leagues and clash to obtain loot.:o Buff higher league bonuses, offer a bonus based on percentage of destruction, add a bonus for win streaks (although with sniping...), or have collectors produce more based on league. IDC as long as people are encouraged to actually clash at their village level rather than stay in lower leagues and farm collectors. The system shows signs of being upside down. Highly developed villages in low leagues and under developed villages in higher leagues and they all end up clogging matchmaking increasing nexting.

Currently with all the nexting people are reporting it appears to be inefficient to farm collectors. So yes in the current post update climate it may be inefficient to farm collectors, 2 weeks ago or 2 weeks from today? No.

Buffing collectors all around will IMO encourage more sandbagging and less clashing. Honestly though only one party will have a solution if one is deemed necessary. Also only one party has a true picture of how the economy and how it functions.

You hinted at something I am not sure is entirely correct and that is inactives being lost to the queue. I think the queue is an over simplification of how matchmaking works in relation to inactives. The idea of a master list of all players in a league is hard to subscribe to. I think the deck/queue is shuffled so to say, so those inactives would not be lost to the queue.

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I'm trying to hit a moving target here aren't I? You acknowledge that the player surge isn't THAT bad this time, which was the original argument. Yup, loot sinks in this update are definitely a major factor, but all that means is the activity rate isn't the dominant factor (which again was the issue we were discussing).

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I am suggesting the surge is close to what it was for clan wars relative to other updates. I would say it was not originally an argument, this line started with asking if Supercell had seen an abnormally large surge. IIRC you replied with not as big as clan wars to which I agreed but that does not suggest the player surge was not that bad. The activity rate could easily be a dominating factor in the current situation, more active players in matchmaking would surely decrease available loot and increase nexting.

Furthering my belief that this update brought a huge surge is the recent announcement of server improvements. If this is partially a reaction to the update (I say partially due to the unknown impact of the recent ad campaign) then it would support this update as having nearly the same surge as clan wars. Why? The only server updates I have noted coincide with increased demand, i.e. clan wars and it's multiple server upgrades.

Perhaps the server upgrades will help with the distribution problems.

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Well I'm still waiting on those numbers from the new loot system we were promised.

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I've seen this come up a few times and at the risk of sounding like I am championing for Steve. Where does this come from?

Was it this post?

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Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]

Latest Update: Dec 19, 2013

Hey Gang,

Just got a preview of some of the most recent data and average loot per raid and we're happy to see that average loot per raid is at or above pre-loot system update levels or higher at TH 6-10 and continue to head in an upward direction. This is leading up to the current boost. Obviously since the boost went into affect elixir loot available per raid has gone up a lot.

In addition the number of battles between equal THs has increased steadily as well before (and even more after) the boost. More Clashing! We'll also be taking a look at feedback that the "next" button is getting a little worn down from overuse since the update. I'll let you guys know when we have more information there.

This is just a brief update. I am working on getting you guys some graphs and/or numbers to give you a better idea of what we're seeing.

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The post, to me expresses a desire to provide the information and not a promise to provide that information. I think it is wrong to single out Steve as he clearly wanted to share it and it is entirely possible the team ruled against him.

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Originally Posted by Smalls

I didn't say farmers don't gem. I said they don't gem "enough." How else can you explain all the changes SuperCell has made since the loot update? Every change is geared towards hitting storages, which means larger army's and more spells.

It's purely a business decision and from a profit standpoint probably a good one.

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The most lucrative video game of all time is being ruined because $3.5 MILLION per day is not enough for a company of 40 people that leases someone else's servers. I spend around $5-10 per two weeks to boost spell factory, hero regen, and barracks ONLY when raiding is lucrative enough. If that is not enough money for ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and nothing is to be done to the economy to entice me to spend my money, then I will return to Player status and lose my Payer status to their detriment.

TH10 level 123

how about a proper solution,, if avalible loot is10% up to 4mill then I want 5%up to 4mill for the times i deffend.. this can solve the loot issue, noone will have intrest in cheap shielding when they can get 200K for a deffencive win that that th will be safe and there base found, with gold and elixir and can always adjust it a bit so no-one needs to stay low just to deffend and collect,,master2 5% master3 4% crystal1 3% so on

the average loot is big ♥♥ if one finds an inactive and i find all the poo bases then yea together were making an average good partie, problem is all them farmers logging off and 12hours noone can get them anymore, 1 star shouldn't even give a shield 40%+ only should give a shield nothing less

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Originally Posted by BigDarrick

This is really not true. It is not until the end of each TH build out that you end up sitting on maxed Lix storages. Camps, Rax, Storages, Upgrades, etc. all need Lix and at TH 9/10 lvl they are not small amounts. People will have to start saving and do it often.

TH 9/10 I was totally Elixer starved for the first 30-45 days moving into it. I would not dream of dumping Lix into walls for months if I was in the same position again. This only works if you have it in excess.

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I fear you miss the point.....early TH everyone needs elixer and willl have to amass it and therefore have lix to raid......but for low TH 7s any relatively small leftover amounts go to walls.......and the drought we see is created. At TH 9 the amount you need gets higher and the walls get more expensive which is why SC should have only allowed lix for walls for level 9 walls and up.

The decision to make it level 6 walls and up has created this loot shortage......plain simple and obvious!

So Since the update, everyone got excited for barbarians and archers level 7, the lava hound, and the ability to level multiple walls with either gold or elixir. The result was, of course, the crashing of the economy due to players pouring whatever excess of elixir into dark barracks, walls, and laboratory research.

As most of you know SuperCell did not become a billion dollar success by giving things away for free. Yes we all know of the boost specials from time to time, but that's just the bait. The "loot" in question that players are so desperately searching for so that they can start their research on level 5 hog riders, or get that level 3 xbow upgrade going does exist.

Unfortunately a lot of it is inaccessible. The following is a break down of where the illustrious loot is hiding:


1. Those bases who are offering 400K of each gold and elixir with a whopping 5K dark elixir, but the base is a maxed out TH10 and you are a fresh TH9 with TH8 troops, thus making it hard to reach. Best you can do is strategically drop your entire army including your clan castle, and use all your spells, and hope that you get even a third of what's available let alone half, and maybe a few drops of dark elixir, or click next.

2. Players who are currently online at the very same time and moment that you are searching for your next prey/sucker/victim, inaccessible loot

3. Players are who currently protected by a shield whether it be from TH sniping, or they bought one for however long a duration, or they simply have been shielded since your lunch break, inaccessible loot

4. Players who are so hardcore, or just need one more good raid to start that next upgrade/research so they purposely stay online continuously clicking reload so they are free from being sacked worse than Rome, inaccessible loot (anyone starting to notice a pattern here?)

5. Players who have just spent their resources on everything they could as to feel they are making "progression" (now including walls since both resources can now be used to upgrade them), the loot has now taken another form, thus made...inaccessible

6. Since the last update has seem to have dried up the availability of elixir (which before you couldn't get rid of it quick enough once your troops and any building requiring elixir to upgrade was maxed), I also like to add players who would go so far to protect their elixir by filling their army camps, and queuing up as many wall breakers as they can in all of their barracks so as to decrease the amount of elixir that is offered to a player attacking said base. Resource took another form rendering it, inaccessible.

I'm sure there is a few other quirks and loopholes of the game that will cause the economy to seem grim, but quite honestly, the loot is there as people claim, just a lot of it is...inaccessible.

So after all those ripe, fat, juicy, chock full of resource goodness bases that are inaccessible taken out of the picture, all that is left are the following:

1. Player bases that have just spent their resources on upgrades and researches and walls, thus making themselves poor and not offering enough to justify an attack

2. Player bases that are armed with max defenses that only those with a skilled hand and luck on their side can stand a chance at even a fraction of the loot available.

3. Inactive player bases that have already been ransacked by someone else, thus leaving the table scraps for the next person to come across the very same base.

Every now and then someone will get lucky and come across one of those inactive bases that have resources just pouring out of the collectors, most of the time the average player will come across bases that have either one or the other resources in abundance and the others lacking.

I know this was a lot to read but I felt it needed to be made aware due to the fact that in all actuality it's not so much the economy is bad, it's just...your luck is bad, the timing is bad, etc.

For those who just feel they don't want to read all this:

TL DR:

The economy is not bad (it may have been made worse), the loot does exist, just that a lot of it is inaccessible (can't touch this).

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Originally Posted by Venatoreo

So Since the update, everyone got excited for barbarians and archers level 7, the lava hound, and the ability to level multiple walls with either gold or elixir. The result was, of course, the crashing of the economy due to players pouring whatever excess of elixir into dark barracks, walls, and laboratory research.

As most of you know SuperCell did not become a billion dollar success by giving things away for free. Yes we all know of the boost specials from time to time, but that's just the bait. The "loot" in question that players are so desperately searching for so that they can start their research on level 5 hog riders, or get that level 3 xbow upgrade going does exist.

Unfortunately a lot of it is inaccessible. The following is a break down of where the illustrious loot is hiding:


1. Those bases who are offering 400K of each gold and elixir with a whopping 5K dark elixir, but the base is a maxed out TH10 and you are a fresh TH9 with TH8 troops, thus making it hard to reach. Best you can do is strategically drop your entire army including your clan castle, and use all your spells, and hope that you get even a third of what's available let alone half, and maybe a few drops of dark elixir, or click next.

2. Players who are currently online at the very same time and moment that you are searching for your next prey/sucker/victim, inaccessible loot

3. Players are who currently protected by a shield whether it be from TH sniping, or they bought one for however long a duration, or they simply have been shielded since your lunch break, inaccessible loot

4. Players who are so hardcore, or just need one more good raid to start that next upgrade/research so they purposely stay online continuously clicking reload so they are free from being sacked worse than Rome, inaccessible loot (anyone starting to notice a pattern here?)

5. Players who have just spent their resources on everything they could as to feel they are making "progression" (now including walls since both resources can now be used to upgrade them), the loot has now taken another form, thus made...inaccessible

6. Since the last update has seem to have dried up the availability of elixir (which before you couldn't get rid of it quick enough once your troops and any building requiring elixir to upgrade was maxed), I also like to add players who would go so far to protect their elixir by filling their army camps, and queuing up as many wall breakers as they can in all of their barracks so as to decrease the amount of elixir that is offered to a player attacking said base. Resource took another form rendering it, inaccessible.

I'm sure there is a few other quirks and loopholes of the game that will cause the economy to seem grim, but quite honestly, the loot is there as people claim, just a lot of it is...inaccessible.

So after all those ripe, fat, juicy, chock full of resource goodness bases that are inaccessible taken out of the picture, all that is left are the following:

1. Player bases that have just spent their resources on upgrades and researches and walls, thus making themselves poor and not offering enough to justify an attack

2. Player bases that are armed with max defenses that only those with a skilled hand and luck on their side can stand a chance at even a fraction of the loot available.

3. Inactive player bases that have already been ransacked by someone else, thus leaving the table scraps for the next person to come across the very same base.

Every now and then someone will get lucky and come across one of those inactive bases that have resources just pouring out of the collectors, most of the time the average player will come across bases that have either one or the other resources in abundance and the others lacking.

I know this was a lot to read but I felt it needed to be made aware due to the fact that in all actuality it's not so much the economy is bad, it's just...your luck is bad, the timing is bad, etc.

For those who just feel they don't want to read all this:

TL DR:

The economy is not bad (it may have been made worse), the loot does exist, just that a lot of it is inaccessible (can't touch this).

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I am one of those maxed bases with overflowing gold in my storages. But answer me this. How did the gold get there? I raided it that's how and not from other maxed TH10s and I have the same farming troops as a TH9. The reason that people have maxed bases is that they are good at farming (or very rich). Even in this post update economy the good farmers are continuing to find loot. Only yesterday there was a thread asking people's progress on their lvl13 archer towers. Most people had already started or finished 4 of them in the last week.

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Originally Posted by sj74

Only yesterday there was a thread asking people's progress on their lvl13 archer towers. Most people had already started or finished 4 of them in the last week.

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Couldn't it be argued that rather than being good farmers, they started upgrading them with the stock of resources they collected during the boost rather than after when loot decreased?

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Originally Posted by Therealking

Anyone else just stopped playing coc altogether? My builders are finishing up in a couple hours but for the past 3 days I haven't played more than 10 min. Just really don't feel like farming, I think nexting and finding ♥♥♥♥ loot has burned me out.

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I agree,ive only been playing 6months and the nexting is tedious already,ive got so fed up of the game eg I collect my cash,decide to go farm,and after however long,I just give up and play something else,SC >>Nexting isn't a great game,it's boring,why can't you just add a bonus for defences and up the bonus for a win and add another level to the collectors,I'm sure it would help.

also make the CW bonus a lot bigger ,it barely covers troops if at all.