The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Well of course, ideally you want to be able to raid with wizards and stuff efficiently but you cant due to time. If this game wasnt freemium there wouldnt even be training time, and if there was it wouldnt be so long for anything thats not barch.
The freemium model is what makes barching the most efficient and thats intinsic to what clash is. There is no way it can or would change so dont bother expecting anything.
I remember before discovering barch and raiding storages as a th6 with giant-healer, that was fun.
Also stop hating on barch, it requires more skill than a gowipe which is basically the same regardless of the base, barching collectors that are dispersed across a th10 requires more skill than just spamming troops in a certain order and placing spells and heroes for an easy two star with gowipe.

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Barch more skill than a Goblah army?!? Hahahaha. Now I know you're trolling.

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Originally Posted by Gama321

Well of course, ideally you want to be able to raid with wizards and stuff efficiently but you cant due to time. If this game wasnt freemium there wouldnt even be training time, and if there was it wouldnt be so long for anything thats not barch.
The freemium model is what makes barching the most efficient and thats intinsic to what clash is. There is no way it can or would change so dont bother expecting anything.
I remember before discovering barch and raiding storages as a th6 with giant-healer, that was fun.
Also stop hating on barch, it requires more skill than a gowipe which is basically the same regardless of the base, barching collectors that are dispersed across a th10 requires more skill than just spamming troops in a certain order and placing spells and heroes for an easy two star with gowipe.

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I agree that barch is the only cost-effective army to use anymore, but it didn't use to be this way.

However, I disagree that it really takes any skill. All I use now is lvl 7 barch to farm the bonus in M3-M2, and it takes no skill for me to spam lines of barbs and archers every time and win 100% of the time.

I much prefer the game back when it was profitable to use a wide variety of troop combinations.

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Originally Posted by Egnur

The thread is lousy with shills for Supercell and Coathanger sock puppets. Of course there's a loot problem. Any fool can see that. The insane idea of punishing farmers by making th a storage and taking away shields is the kind of dim thinking we are used to seeing from SC with regard to the economy.

If those changes were instituted I would just dump everything into walls. As it is i have loaded storages for anyone brave enough to try. Dont think that those storages would be loaded if there were no shields. I will put it into walls and just never upgrade anything more. Then I will quit because that is dull. And then my base will disappear into the inactives and never be seen again.

There are several problems:
1) Bots are taking all the rich bases before hunans can get them. SC sees the same amount of loot being taken so all is well in their myopia.
2) SC removing inactives too fast. Not everything needs to be left in but they disappear too fast.
3) Collectors and mines are ridiculously underpowered for th9 and 10. Its nuts to expect these buildings, which were designed for the th7/8 economy yo support current end game. A new level needs to be added for each of th 8 9 and 10. Let them do the job of pumping loot into the economy like they were supposed to.

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Originally Posted by Jcman

Do you even read the ideas put forth? No one is saying get rid of shields. No one is saying end the TH snipe specifically. People want to end the CHeAP TH snipe. Meaning, add 20% of lootable resources to the TH making it equal to a storage unit. Getting a shield for FREE is the issue. That alone is not enough to fix and and make the game fun again for everyone. Add rewards for winning on defense as well, and the tens of thousands of people who get cheap shields 99% of the time would probably move those THs inside and we can actually raid their base. The issues we have are fun related. It is not fun to NEXT through 100 to 300 bases to find a base we can recover 200k of each from.

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Just ignore him. His suggestions are fine if SC planned to revert back to the system of inactives feeding almost the entire economy, but SC clearly wants to move to a new direction from that. Increased collector levels don't address the issue of massive stores of loot hiding under cheap TH shields, and the problem players are finding from players dumping all their gold/elixir into walls before logging out. He either doesn't understand that our suggestions need to be implemented as a collective group or is just trolling and using the TH as a storage aspect as his "pick and choose" fodder to try and make us look like we don't know what we're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Danip

To anyu saying make the town hall another storage ... you have to be kidding me. Force me to put it inside and I'm done. It's only outside for all the "great defensive wins!!!!!!" that serves no purpose but to make my losses triple what they are. Defensive wins unarm my traps and empty my clan castle. May as well put my storages in a corner. Defensive wins are worth nothing except lost resources. Trophies? Useless. Trophies don't help you advance your base. Loot does.

And as long as I'm carrying loot ... no one stops at my town hall ... but at least they give me a shield the majority of the time

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Just... moron. Lol I see this post 4 posts after I respond to another mouthbreather who doesn't get the bigger picture.

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Originally Posted by QuesoYo

Using the gems I have to boost raid isn't gemming. It's boosting my barracks.

Gemming is gemming resources full to do upgrades instead of attacking for them.

The loot is available. I posted that to show that it is out there and easy to come by, at least as a TH9.

I dont get to play often so when I do i squeeze it into a boost session, my priority isnt clash, it's raising my 3 kids.

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So according to your attack log, all those bases were abandoned, meaning had it not been for those players quitting, you would have found no loot. Finding inactives doesn't constitute loot being 'fine', for the simple reason that you find them with luck or chance. The fact that you even use it as an argument illustrates tremendous ignorance. Furthermore, posting one raiding session to perpetuate the general state of loot for the community as being fine is also ignorant. The key to a games longevity and replay value (as I've regurgitated over and over) is consistency. If everyone can find those abandoned bases regularly, as it happened before the update that knocked them back, then all is good. But if only a handful of people are finding it, that is not fair for the others. If you've adopted the mentality that as long as you're good, everyone else should be fine, then you are one of the main reasons why this thread has derailed into what it is today; a big flame war.

Edit #1 . You're also using gems that you purchased. The game does not give you enough gems through in-game challenges to consistently boost barracks. Some people don't want to waste money on this broken game. In a nutshell, loot is good for you because you're lucky and throwing money at the game. Sounds very fair and reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Egnur

The thread is lousy with shills for Supercell and Coathanger sock puppets.

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His ban just got lifted, I'm pretty sure he'll think twice about making sock puppets now :)

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

I agree that barch is the only cost-effective army to use anymore, but it didn't use to be this way.

However, I disagree that it really takes any skill. All I use now is lvl 7 barch to farm the bonus in M3-M2, and it takes no skill for me to spam lines of barbs and archers every time and win 100% of the time.

I much prefer the game back when it was profitable to use a wide variety of troop combinations.

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Ofcourse most barches dont take any skill whatsoever, but some of them do. Like when you have to make decisions on the fly about which side you want to attack from and what collectors you are going to give up, while still trying to grab the 50%. You know, those decent levelled th10s that have them all within walls and stuff. Some barch raids actually require thought like that and can be quite fun.
But again those raids are few and far between.
Whats stupid to me is how some people feel like they can look down on collector raids as if storage raids require so much strategy when they dont either, they are just more time consuming to train up, like loon spamming raids.

Took 2 weeks off this thread, only to come back to the same flame war. Believe it or not, there are still people coming on here posting one raid session they paid for while finding abandoned bases talking about "loot is fine". Nearing 2000 pages and there is no problem, right? As Supercell stated on a boom beach post last week, and I'm paraphrasing here, but you get the gist of it. "We don't like when you mistreat us, we like for you to be nice and straight to the point". So I'll play your game.

Supercell, my darling Supercell. Please hurry your fannies and do something already because your loyal customers that you supposedly care about are losing their patience.

My ideas are pretty much on par with other logical human beings on this thread such Iceageg, Badfish, lord ambreon.
Undo the update that pushed back inactives so that EVERYONE can find them or if you don't want to go backwards, introduce some NPC bases that carry good amounts. Dramatically increase loot bonus for wins, and dramatically increase loot bonus for war. The increases implemented in the last update are far too minuscule to be effective on a macro level. OORRRRR, you can apply those conquests from Mastermind that have been suggested and floating around for almost a year and a half.

Also, Steve, and other staff, if you could regularly show your presence on here, it would be great. You guys have a serious communication issue and you're doing nothing to address it, other than admitting it. Please.

I may have found this a couple days ago but it means loot is still out there in vast amounts.

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Sadly I could only get about 400k from this guy but it was still a great hit!

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Originally Posted by xTimelordx

I may have found this a couple days ago but it means loot is still out there in vast amounts.

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Sadly I could only get about 400k from this guy but it was still a great hit!

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One base you found dictates the general state of the economy ?