The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

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Originally Posted by Shonie

I'm not complaining about people complaining. I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
I'm stating that getting yourself all worked up to the point where you feel the need to complain about something as pointless as a perceived drop in loot in an app game is absolutely ridiculous.
But feel free to keep doing so, I'm sure you're getting somewhere. This is very important and all.

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Is the irony lost on you that you are telling someone they are repeatedly taking part in a petty discussion when you have made as many posts yourself?

Complaining is a productive and neccessary aspect of our lives. it can also be more politely labelled as constructive criticism or feedback. There is a difference between whining and complaining with the former being carried out by children and the short-sighted.

What i don't really understand is that supercell has acknowledged there is a widespread unhappiness with the levels of loot and going off Anoushka's response, the absence of ruling out a response means they are looking into doing something, but what can possibly take this long?

Kudos to iceageg . Fair play fella. I like all the posts you have made, well reasoned and thought out, logical and not emotionally driven to bias. Maybe if we put this bloke in a conference with the developers we can get a solution.

My own little input to the things you have said is that I'd like to see the interaction of inactives in the economy set to as little as possible in the long term. If they are to be used short term or to jump start slumps, then ok, but I would much rather see a successful economy that is purely based on active players.

It is down to the SC developers to come up with the best solutions, we are here to offer ideas, tweaks or starting points but we don't get paid to fix things. Personally I feel the argument based around collector levels made the most sense. The week we had 1 gem collector boosts for a week, it was the most fun I had had in clash for as long as I can remember. I can appreciate that level of economy stimulus would be too much long term, but I think it was inidicitave that here is where the solution could lie.

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Originally Posted by Jorgy4459

Well, you say this, but before SC's loot "adjustments" things were fine. . .

Seriously, before the dec update raids were great. . . .

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I don't know why I keep trying, but here I go. No, things were not fine. The economy had plenty of resources in it because of an unnaturally high amount of tourist dollars (inactive bases). Raids were not great, they were profitable because you could barch your way to wealth. Unless you were trophy pushing nobody really raided at all. Just boring repetitive collector raids but we didn't care because it was lucrative. It should be more of a challenge to get the resources and still be lucrative but it wasn't. So they made a change and removed the inactive bases leaving us with only TH7 collectors manufacturing resources.

The problem is that they removed too much of the available resources too fast with no new source to replace some or all of it and sent the economy into a radically over budgeted tailspin. Putting back the old problem is a terrible idea as a solution. The game truly should encourage attacking active players to get resources as the primary battle dynamic. Using the old problem as a way to subtly introduce more or less loot into various trophy ranges has some fantastic possibilities but putting it back the way it used to be is just short sighted and foolish.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

I don't know why I keep trying, but here I go. No, things were not fine. The economy had plenty of resources in it because of an unnaturally high amount of tourist dollars (inactive bases). Raids were not great, they were profitable because you could barch your way to wealth. Unless you were trophy pushing nobody really raided at all. Just boring repetitive collector raids but we didn't care because it was lucrative. It should be more of a challenge to get the resources and still be lucrative but it wasn't. So they made a change and removed the inactive bases leaving us with only TH7 collectors manufacturing resources.



but putting it back the way it used to be is just short sighted and foolish.

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Well, do you have actually numbers to back this up? There were more Tourists bases as you call them up until the elixer for walls update. So that right there invalidates what you're trying to say.

And no, everyone did not just barch. Gowiwi. Gowipe. Drags. Loons. No, sorry, you are remembering incorrectky my friend.

You could build the must expensive army and have it be profitable without pressing next for at least twenty minutes.

You seem to believe that the tourist bases are the key here. They are not and that is why your harping about them is falling on deaf ears.

The December loot changes brought about percentage changes and other changes to the loot. That was one of the main culprits.

Putting things back they way they were would make the game more fun, like it once was. It might result in less profits, sure. And that's why they won't fully revert.

Again, show us proof it was all inactives. Otherwise, I'm telling you, you're not remembering correctly.

All one gas to do is go to YouTube and see all of the old videos. They aren't all barch.

It's the changes SC made. Trust me.


Putting inactives back in would do what you say. It would make this turn into a barch fest.

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Originally Posted by 69deluxe

I find it really hard to believe that, as I'm nexting about 100 times, I do not find one townhall outside. That's ♥♥! I have my TH outside to preserve my storages and I get sniped within 2 minutes of logging off. I find it hard to believe others are not doing the same. SC seems to purposely not put them in the queue unless you've spent well over 100k on average. I had also found an abandoned base that contained only 1 gold mine and 1 elixir pump! One each! At townhall 10! Is that even possible? Really wish I had taken a picture of it, but I was so disgusted at that point.

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Originally Posted by Ramb02

This isn't surprising at TH10.. Think about it. Loot stinks. You basically make more loot off collectors nowadays than you do raiding. So TH10s I suspect in very large numbers have their TH outside. Then they quickly are sniped, as people want the league bonus (again loot stinks). They then ride that shield for 12 hours before showing up again. If more and more TH10s are riding shields due to this, then the amount of people you find with TH outside will go down.

I see the same thing myself with my TH10 camp. I also recently put mine inside to get to a higher league bonus. On the other hand, I'm hanging out in silver 1 with my TH9 camp, and I'm seeing plenty of TH outside (mostly TH7-9s).

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Exactly, this is what I do as well.

Do you have a lot of loot and want to keep from being hit for a huge loss? Don't drop down into Silver 1/Gold 3 with your TH outside, are you insane??? Go up into the Crystal leagues. I constantly have like 250k+250k+/1k+ available to raid in my TH10's storages, but I'm up at 2350 trophies so the people who are hitting me are getting either a 50k/50k/200 or 65k/65k/300 loot bonus for dropping an AQ or 3 archers on me.

My TH9 is down at 1550 trophies, offering up just about the same loot. "Oh more TH7s or premmie TH8s will just snipe your TH down there" Umm, no they won't. Why would they? For the 11k/11k league bonus? No, I get instantly sniped the minute that 3ish minute buffer time goes away on my TH10 up in Crystal, but as we speak, I've had my shield down for over 30 minutes on my TH9 in Gold 2/3. My TH9 base is going to keep getting skipped until some TH9/10 with a capable army will crush me for at least 4 of my 8 storages as well as my oil drum.

A TH outside up in higher leagues gets targeted quicker than a dead collector base at any level. I don't see inactive collector bases anymore, anywhere. Maybe 1 out of 10 raids in my log will have them now, when it used to be at least 7-8. But at least I know there's nothing I can do about it because Supercell is removing them more aggressively than before. But exposed THs up in Crystal leagues? Nonexistent. They go so fast to the point where you can statistically say you will never find one. Maybe 1 every 40-50 of your raids. Pointless to try and league farm it.

Turn the damn TH into an additional storage holding gold, elixir, and 20% of your DE. Jesus F-ing Christ.

UPDATE: Checked back in, finally got hit on my Gold league TH9. Over an hour after my shield was dropped, with an exposed TH. Didn't lose much--two storages--but it was a heavy giant-barch army by a TH9, not a TH snipe. Tell ya h'what though, the 76k/24k trap/xbow rearming cost is what I really cringe about, lol.

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Originally Posted by 241m

Rather than nexting gold disappearing in the abyss, it should go to the base you nexted past

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Originally Posted by BoardGuest808888

When searching for targets, I ran through tons of bases with no level badge, having less than 40 k loot (even th 10!) and nothing left in the collectors. Obviously these people are not active anymore, or living-off their collectors. Why our hard earned "nexting" gold should go to them ?

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Originally Posted by 241m

Why should it vanish from the game altogether? Plus it would entice people to have trophy bases and not farming bases

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Originally Posted by BoardGuest808888

Because I feel it's better if we can have a system which generates more loot, not shifting loot between bases. Especially not from active base to inactive ones. Giving the 'nexting' cost to other bases only shifts it. It prevent loot loss, yes, but it doesn't generate more loot. Also it promotes people being inactive and get passive income by being 'nexted'. I'm not sure, but I think bases with no loot are 'nexted' more often than trophy/farming bases with loot, unless in Master 1 and up.

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Simply "giving" the loot to the base being skipped can be horribly exploited in form of high lvl THs sitting in low leagues where they can't be farmed. Let it accumulate into a fund, with diminishing returns for every consecutive Next, where anywhere from 0-100% of it can be won by the winner of the battle when the base is finally attacked, and keep it based on storage destruction/preservation so it can't be exploited.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post3082928

Goobers, Perseverance, GCB, a few others who understand basic economics and SC . . . I wish you good luck.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Simply "giving" the loot to the base being skipped can be horribly exploited in form of high lvl THs sitting in low leagues where they can't be farmed. Let it accumulate into a fund, with diminishing returns for every consecutive Next, where anywhere from 0-100% of it can be won by the winner of the battle when the base is finally attacked, and keep it based on storage destruction/preservation so it can't be exploited.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post3082928

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Totally agree... the 'Next' fee should NOT be given to the base. Much better idea to put it into an additional win bonus for the person who finally does attack it. Great idea Goobers!

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Goobers, Perseverance, GCB, a few others who understand basic economics and SC . . . I wish you good luck.

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Likewise, my friend. Take care.

My friend thinks that I am.

Here is why

I was showing COC to him, he never played before. I started to search for enemy so i can show him how you attack in game. After hitting next 15 min, he looked at me like i am crazy stupid.

Am I ?

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Originally Posted by Arizamayak

My friend thinks that I am.

Here is why

I was showing COC to him, he never played before. I started to search for enemy so i can show him how you attack in game. After hitting next 15 min, he looked at me like i am crazy stupid.

Am I ?

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Lol so you showed him your coc, and then he called you stupid? How rude.