The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

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Originally Posted by Perseverance

Well, since you said you 'think', it's out of the question, I'll have a little hope that in off-chance you guys can't find a solution to loot, you can always fall back to that loot system that we all know and love lol. I understand with the moving forward concept, and I hope you come up with a solution.

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I'm pretty sure moving forward is the only solution. Going back won't fix anything because of the underlying problem. People are spending resources faster than they are being generated. Since the old system is based on the amount of resources being generated at that point in the game we would likely see little to no change at all. The ONLY thing that will fix this is introducing more resources into the economy. The current loot structure is fine if people have resources to loot. The problem isn't how much you can take, it is how much people have. When everybody is broke there is nobody to steal from. That is where we are at and there is no escaping it. Inactives, league bonuses, lvl12 collectors or some combination any of ideas that add resources to the economy are the fix. Anything else is just a shell game of moving what already exists around between players who will spend it out of the economy faster than it is currently produced.

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Originally Posted by Chubbymidget627

I agree with not removing the fee for nexting. One could simply profit from hitting every inactive base with barch. However lowering the cost could possibly ease the pain. I lost almost 500k in nexting yesterday while playing for a a good 90 minutes. When I was done, only my DE went up a by a few thousand. I was actually negative in gold from nexting so much.

As far as defending goes, you guys really need to put a reward for defending an attacker if they don't make 50%, other than just cups. If I defend the attack against a barch over night while my collectors have 60-80k of resources in them to be taken I still lose. The defender should get the loot bonus for defending his base for that level. Example: Crystal 1 would get 65k of each for defending against an attack. If he is barched and his collectors are taken, he would still get the win bonus, plus the cups. Same would go for zaps... yeah, I would lose a few thousand in DE, but I would gain the loot bonus for the win. This would entice a lot more players to keep their TH in the walls, making a lot more bases that are saving up resources available for attacks... not just riding shields.

What say you??

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Just a league bonus per defensive win, just like a league bonus for an offensive win. I totally agree with you and also mentioned it a few pages back! I would also love a response regarding this!

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Originally Posted by Perseverance

Lol everything you say from here on out regarding loot should be taken with a grain of salt; and I don't want to hear about your 'th10 clanmates'. They can come on here if they'd like, but as far as your input goes, it means nothing to th9&10's. kthxbai

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Thank you for speaking on behalf of all th9's and 10's around the world. I'm sure they are overjoyed to have you as their spokesperson.
just because I'm not th9 or th10 doesn't mean I don't know how the game works. I'm also quite capable of seeing and reading the experiences of those around me. Was the loot as good as it was a year ago? I have no idea, I wasn't playing back then. From what I've read it's better than it is today. Does that make for a good gaming experience? I'm not sure. Maybe some prefer the new challenges. Maybe SC wants their games to be a little harder to attain loot to keep people playing longer. Will some quit out of impatience and frustration? Probably. They're gonna do what they feel is best for their product, you may or may not like it. Adapt.

I would like to have an update of SC concerning the current low loots; are you and when you will improve the loot.

Just be honnest. Are you gonna hold on your business plan (because it will earn you more money?) or do we get our FUN game back?

We could talk for hours and hours. It's SC who holds the buttons and we are just an income source.... not customers who you should treat like customers....more like rubbish...well its feels like that at the moment.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

I'm pretty sure moving forward is the only solution. Going back won't fix anything because of the underlying problem. People are spending resources faster than they are being generated. Since the old system is based on the amount of resources being generated at that point in the game we would likely see little to no change at all. The ONLY thing that will fix this is introducing more resources into the economy. The current loot structure is fine if people have resources to loot. The problem isn't how much you can take, it is how much people have. When everybody is broke there is nobody to steal from. That is where we are at and there is no escaping it. Inactives, league bonuses, lvl12 collectors or some combination any of ideas that add resources to the economy are the fix. Anything else is just a shell game of moving what already exists around between players who will spend it out of the economy faster than it is currently produced.

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Could it be that everybody is broke because there is no one to steal from? One can argue that no one has loot because there isn't enough to take. The only people who claim to find loot are people who consistently find inactive bases, meaning that people's success varies on the amount of inactive bases they find. How many people on here are finding storage raids CONSISTENTLY? I'm not talking about logging on while at work real quick, hitting 'find match', and BOOM 350k of each, but rather a 2 hour session where you were able to consistently find a good amount of storage raids. Not many people, I'm betting. The old loot system worked because you were able to take more, therefore you had more yourself. Plus, it made the inactive finds that more fun to find, without having to rely on them so much.

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Originally Posted by Shonie

Thank you for speaking on behalf of all th9's and 10's around the world. I'm sure they are overjoyed to have you as their spokesperson.
just because I'm not th9 or th10 doesn't mean I don't know how the game works. I'm also quite capable of seeing and reading the experiences of those around me. Was the loot as good as it was a year ago? I have no idea, I wasn't playing back then. From what I've read it's better than it is today. Does that make for a good gaming experience? I'm not sure. Maybe some prefer the new challenges. Maybe SC wants their games to be a little harder to attain loot to keep people playing longer. Will some quit out of impatience and frustration? Probably. They're gonna do what they feel is best for their product, you may or may not like it. Adapt.

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I'm sorry all i heard was 'blah blah blah smart alec blah blah blah ignorance blah blah blah hearsay blah blah blah speculation. Hit th9, and then you can input on what's good or bad. But while you're at th8 your input means nothing to me, and a lot of people here. You aren't crushed with penalty, so you're still picking on little th7's and th6's so obviously loot is good for you. And again, let your people around you speak of their experiences, not your biased nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

Just a league bonus per defensive win, just like a league bonus for an offensive win. I totally agree with you and also mentioned it a few pages back! I would also love a response regarding this!

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Exactly! Sorry man, I missed your post or I would have quoted you.

It could possibly fix a large part of the loot issue, as well. You would force more players to climb higher in leagues not only to get the bonus for attacking but now also for defending. It would bring back strategy to the game.. not just barch for an hour or so, then ride a shield. There would be more bases available to attack because you would want the defend bonus. Plus if you have your DE up high enough you would get zap'd a few times and it wouldn't really bother you.

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Originally Posted by Perseverance

Could it be that everybody is broke because there is no one to steal from? One can argue that no one has loot because there isn't enough to take. The only people who claim to find loot are people who consistently find inactive bases, meaning that people's success varies on the amount of inactive bases they find. How many people on here are finding storage raids CONSISTENTLY? I'm not talking about logging on while at work real quick, hitting 'find match', and BOOM 350k of each, but rather a 2 hour session where you were able to consistently find a good amount of storage raids. Not many people, I'm betting. The old loot system worked because you were able to take more, therefore you had more yourself. Plus, it made the inactive finds that more fun to find, without having to rely on them so much.

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If by "the old loot system" you mean the old quantity of inactive bases you could collector raid then you are correct. If you mean the old system of calculating how much you could take from any base you are wrong. Nobody has it to take because there is no effective source of NEW resources in the game. Inactive bases are the CoC equivalent of tourist dollars. They create resources and never spend any out of the economy. When SC took those away the only source left was the collectors of active players which is kept in their storages. So we built different armies and started raiding their storages then spending the winnings. The problem is once it is spent, it is gone. Now we have less for everybody to steal than before. Fast forward a few months and here we are. Even if they change the calculation to give you 100% of the resources your target has you will only be able to attack them once. Then that loot is gone forever when you spend it. Now who do you raid? The solution is not to allow players to take a larger percentage of the small numbers available, it is to make MORE available. Anything that does not involve adding inactive bases (tourists) back into the game or some method of generating loot "out of thin air" is only going to make the problem worse. This is economics at it's most basic. From back in my original post on page 640 . . .

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Originally Posted by iceageg

. . .Collectors are by far the largest source of new resources. Always creating wealth out of virtual nothingness (much easier than a real life economy). The problem with collectors is their progression in the game. At TH7 you have 6 lvl11 collectors good for 18,000/hr. This has proven since the beginning of the game (along with inactive low level players) to drive the economy up to that TH7 mark. However, there is no increase in production again until TH10 when you simply get one additional collector making you capable of 21,000/hr. So as the cost and quantity of buildings to upgrade increases at TH8, TH9 and TH10 the entire economy is still growing at TH7 rates. Using the upgrade cost of archer towers as an example we have the following example:

With TH7 producing 18,000/hr and an upgrade cost of 720,000 to upgrade an archer tower, as we progress we get:

TH8 = 0% production increase, 1111% upgrade cost increase (4,000,000 upgrade per tower and an additional archer tower for another 4,000,000)
TH9 = 0% production increase, 1806% upgrade cost increase over TH7 (4,500,000 upgrade per tower and an additional archer tower for 4,000,000 + 4,500,000)
TH10 = 17% production increase over TH7 (one more lvl11 collector), 7013% upgrade cost increase over TH7(14,000,000 upgrade per tower and an additional archer tower for 8,500,000). . .

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This is the core of the problem. CoC is based on a TH7-8 sustainable resource production. This works fine for a while but as more and more people get into TH9-10 spending habits it becomes unsustainable. NO AMOUNT OF TAKING THE EXISTING LOOT FROM OTHER PLAYERS WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM! Rewards "from thin air" from successful defense, tourist dollars from inactive bases, increased league bonus across the board, lvl12 collectors, significant net gain from winning wars, etc. are the only way to fix it. The problem is not how much you can take, it is how much there is to take. At TH10 the community is spending 7000% more than TH7-9 can produce on archer towers alone. Granted that does not take into account the time for each upgrade but the disparity is obvious. No tourist dollars + no manufacturing = dead towns/states/countries and even games.

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Originally Posted by Perseverance

I'm sorry all i heard was 'blah blah blah smart alec blah blah blah ignorance blah blah blah hearsay blah blah blah speculation. Hit th9, and then you can input on what's good or bad. But while you're at th8 your input means nothing to me, and a lot of people here. You aren't crushed with penalty, so you're still picking on little th7's and th6's so obviously loot is good for you. And again, let your people around you speak of their experiences, not your biased nonsense.

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TH level has nothing to do with a company's business plan or business model. You honestly need to step back your selfish 'woe is me' loot issue, and start looking at things on a macro scale from the company's perspective. If you can't see both sides of an argument, you're not meant for adult conversation. But I pretty much get that anyways from your posts.

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Originally Posted by Chubbymidget627

Exactly! Sorry man, I missed your post or I would have quoted you.

It could possibly fix a large part of the loot issue, as well. You would force more players to climb higher in leagues not only to get the bonus for attacking but now also for defending. It would bring back strategy to the game.. not just barch for an hour or so, then ride a shield. There would be more bases available to attack because you would want the defend bonus. Plus if you have your DE up high enough you would get zap'd a few times and it wouldn't really bother you.

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That sounds good in theory, but I feel as if that happens, EVERYONE and their mother would be up in leagues, including th7's and 8's. Sure they'd get crushed on Defense, but on offense they can pull 1 stars for loot bonus, leaving us stuck running into them and finding no loot. It would probably end zappers though, but that is the least of our problems.