The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

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Originally Posted by MickWarwick

Well played supercell. In the last 3 days we have had 3 players decide to quit due to no loot. All th10's level 142, 128 and 118. You need to do something before the game implodes. I hope youre happy.

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Three players out of several hundred thousand if not more. Yeah they don't care.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

What we currently have is a system that requires an awful amount of Nexting to find a base that more than often ends up not even being worth it anyway, with all that Nexting cost vanishing from the economy. This would actually cut down on the amount of Nexting. True, for a base with little loot in storages (sub 50k/50k) to become attractive to hit, it would require lots of people to have Nexted it, but that doesn't necessarily mean YOU will have had to Next a lot.

Let's say they start it at 100% of the Next cost going into the base, diminishing at just 1% per respective resource used for each consecutive Next before being hit (this might be too high but it's just to show the example). So there is hardly any loot in the storage of this base, it's not a base people want to hit. Again, for simplicity's sake in terms of math, let's say all TH10s are the bases Nexting over it (1k each). 100 people who are frustrated with Nexting skip over it, half use Gold and half use Elixir for that particular base. That's 50k/50k that would normally vanish from the economy. Applying a 1% diminshing return for each consecutive Next, now 38,505 of each resource are placed into a "bubble loot" that is available to be taken, depending on how many storages/TH they destroy and if they win the battle. It doesn't seem like a lot, but factor in the league bonus, the loot that--albeit small--is actually in the storages, along with this method of allowing some of the cost to search bases go into a potential pool for the victor of the battle to win (again, not all of this is guaranteed, it's based on getting the victory AND how many storages/TH you can destroy/protect), and now every time somebody comes across this base, it becomes harder and harder to pass up. Whereas in the current system this base would be Nexted thousands upon thousands of times because it would forever just have that dismal amount of loot in storages.

The problem people are facing now is with loot (mainly elixir) being almost nonexistent due to active, offensively-established THs now being able to dump all their storage elixir into walls. Responsible, active farmers are keeping their storages low so they can't lose it. But they have to spend gold (and in this scenario, the option of elixir) to hunt for bases. Think of this portion allocated per Next as a "storage"--a storage that these active players cannot dump into walls b/c the loot hasn't been realized yet. It's being gradually accumulated as a "potential to earn" that is funded through other active farmers that pay to search for each base. It doesn't break the economy because it's using loot naturally generated to fund it. Hell, set the first Next allocation at 50% if they want, so that every Next beyond the first one is still taking more gold/elixir out of the system than is retaining to be potentially earned. What happens is you now have driven a market on farming that is correlated with activity. The more active their overall playerbase is, the higher opportunities there are to farm more effectively. I would absolutely continue to boost my barracks with expensive loonion troops if I knew that there would be a base that, in one form of another, would have the potential to reward my efforts. With the current system we have, it is utterly insane to use anything other than BArch/BAM to raid if you hope to make any progress on elixir.

SuperCell is not "injecting loot" by "releasing inactives" into the system. If this ran as a free market, without interference, these inactives would be showing up at the same rate as active bases. SuperCell is REMOVING these bases from the matchmaking system; they are artificially manipulating the economy to not allow inactives to be the main source of farming. Hitting inactive bases that generate loot genuinely from collectors is not injecting loot into the economy, and is much different than what you suggested of setting a "minimum loot bonus" on low storage bases. That is the definition of artificially injecting loot. League bonuses artificially inject (or artificially offer, rather) loot into the economy. SuperCell is not releasing inactives to be hit, they are removing them.

Allowing loot spent searching through active bases to accumulate and be earned by these same active bases, be it the attacker or defender, is just encouraging the direction SC wants this game to head--towards active players who will spend gems and generate revenue for the company, not towards hitting inactive players who have quit the game and therefore will obviously not be purchasing gems either.

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I like this. SC look into it!!

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Originally Posted by MickWarwick

Well played supercell. In the last 3 days we have had 3 players decide to quit due to no loot. All th10's level 142, 128 and 118. You need to do something before the game implodes. I hope youre happy.

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Originally Posted by Yogismith

Three players out of several hundred thousand if not more. Yeah they don't care.

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If you can't see the problem Supercell is facing here then you are a complete moron.

Supercell earns no money from inactive bases, or people who quit. Those three were not just casual "pick up the game, fart around to TH5/6 after a couple months and then lose interest" players who quit from boredom, which Supercell cannot help. This happened because of a vital flaw in the game, the looting system, that becomes apparent to loyal players that make it to TH9/10. This company absolutely does not want to lose its dedicated playerbase, and especially not when it's apparent that it's happening later on in the game due to a systematic problem that is completely fixable.

Your kneejerk instinct to dismiss them with this "oh yeah I'm suuuurre they're really gonna miss you while millions of others still play" attitude is not just immature, but shows that you don't even have a modicum of sense as to why this is a very big problem to Supercell's long-term business model with regards to this game. Go troll somewhere else, you child.

... but honestly right now, I'm finding a TON of collector bases as a TH9. Today has been pretty incredible, and I've farmed an unreal number of lvl 9 walls. It's probably just luck, but I'll keep it up actively today with barch till it dries up as it always does. Haven't seen it this good in a while though, though it does take quite a bit of nexting (still profitable though).

If you are skeptical, you can stop by my clan and see all the replays I've posted today. Even though they are boring collector base replays, I'm posting them as often as I can in our clan chat for my members to see the lucky loot and how it is still good today.

I think upgrading to TH 10 was the mistake i made, for the first time since 1.5 years I'm thinking to stop playing

how is supercell not doing something about the bots. I'm a developer myself, I know it's not easy to detect them all. But I know you can query your database for extreme numbers. 1000+ won attacks is not a reasonable number. Review some of the players attacks and ban them permanently.

and something else, let us hep you. Give us the option to report suspicious attacks. If you receive xx reports for a player review his attacks (it's very easy to tell a bot attack) and ban permanently for dishonesty

I hit next 98 times (nothing close to 100k resources) and was logged out due to server sync bull ♥♥♥♥. Logged back in 1- 2 minutes later to find my base already under attack and I got hammered, losing 200k each and 1k de. How in the u know what is this possible.... This isn't the first time either: 45, 112, 58, 89 etc... times hitting next button and then log off in disgust, to only be hammered again and again... Constantly breaking shields, thinking I can get ahead and get enough to do a decent upgrade. It's a no win situation and I have worked real jobs that were more fun than this game is now. To the SC lovers - get f'ed, their is no magic trophy range, no magic army or strat. It's all irrelevent: no loot, lose loot searching and lose loot being attacked at top of que. Time to uninstall this pos...

Loot is horredously bad. If th9 players are suffering from this dry loot problem, i pity th10 players.

Increasing the production speed of the mines and collectors 2 to 4 times will probably solve half of the loot problem in the game.

I don't care what some are saying that there was never a problem with the loot system. I know it didn't effect everyone, but it DID effect about 98% of everyone in our clan of a usual staff of constant 48 members.......

It's impossible for it to be a coincidence that the one update/maintenance break caused Extremely LOW loot and absurd amounts of coin to find one just to break even or continue to spend coin to find one that you can get about 150,000 in Elixir. I just chalked up the coin as loss. and then the Halloween Update IMMEDIATELY Improved/somewhat fixed it to where at least i can find one within 8 minutes and about 40,000 of coin. Even the very first scouting trip i found a great one in about 5 tries. So that was happiness for me, :). i also got enough DE in the last raid to upgrade my barb King again. so, thanks, cause it was getting old... 'getting a little, getting a little, getting a little', then getting raided for more than i just got all day, and so on. Now, he's under the knife now and will wake a little happier than he was before tomorrow.

The Loot still is not as good as it was, I have only found ONE abandoned base that hasn't recently been raided since the Halloween update. but i can certainly work with it. I have also been raided more often with Extreme Prejudice, like one minute after shield runs out (while i'm getting my Coffee refill - thats cruel, lol) and instead of getting 5-8 ppl only sniping a Town hall in a row before a heavy raid, they go for broke. but i can deal with that. I haven't been 3 starred in weeks. but have lost a LOT of loot since the Halloween update. But again, i can deal with that, because i can find loot again & replace any loss. Just takes more effort.

- My issue now isn't a problem with SuperCell now, my iPad is having major charging issues. My Kids dropped it a few times. hey, it happens. And i don't know my login info so i cannot transfer it to another device yet. I've emailed them over 2.5 months ago. But i'm sure they will help when they get to my email. I'm hopeful. I need it, id hate to lose that account. I don't have another account. well, i didn't know what the game was when i downloaded it, or if i'd even like it so i didn't keep track of how i logged in. yes, my fault (and rare for me to do anyway. If i was home when i did it, i woulda wrote it down). Anyway.....

Not complaining here. I'm HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY that the loot has improved to where I can play war, donate GOOD troops like a madman to everyone again and still go out and replace it or get enough to keep it going thru Wars. As i did before the "Crash" of Clans Loot system, lol.

Anyway, I can now get the upgrades going again and I can work with this improvement and I THANK YOU Smart people at SuperCell! for making the game playable again. Giant Smile/Grin :D


BTW to Clarify: I got the TH 8 the same day the Loot Crash Break happened and I'm Exp. Level 74 (if that matters). So i still have much of Everything to upgrade except for Archers L5. Still half way out to getting another troop in the lab.

it takes me about 30 next to find a base that have 150k resources combined and when i do its a almost maxxed out th10 with well protected storages...no point in attacking when u already know that ill prob get half the resources. Im around 2600trophies.

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Originally Posted by Sticksman

This thread has run its course. No-one is listening. There is no dialogue with anyone who can address the loot issue, and it has become a smoke screen for Supercell to avoid their cutomer complaints. The spoilers are having fun winding up the rest of us.

Perhaps the game has been taken in a direction by its user base that conflicts with Supercell's business model. Farming may have become over sophisticated to the detriment of gemming which is the revenue earner. The demographic may have become skewed away from the kid's game that Supercell's marketing addresses. A community of older, wiser and less impulsive players might conflict with the young, high attrition rate but allowance spending youngsters that might offer a better income for the developers.

The petty changes to league and war bonuses do nothing to balance, for example, the impact of E for walls or the developing 4th mortar defence improvements. These recent changes are diametrically opposed to resolving the loot issues raised in this thread.

I continue to play the game because of its social side, clan wars and the investment I have already made. I doubt Supercell would give a toss if I, and thousands like me, left the game. Their focus is on the millions who provide them with revenue and who stick to the original playing format of the game. I doubt any input made here will make one jot of difference to Supercell's thinking or future development plans, as the latest updates demonstrate.

It is good to get it off my chest though. Perhaps that is the purpose of this thread.

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I agree with all the above. The loot shortage is hurting us not Supercell. They ignore this thread because it doesn't matter to them. If those of us who are getting fed up with the game were to leave, it wouldn't make the tiniest difference to Supercell. They are not represented here because it would be inconvenient to spend time on issues that do not affect their bottom line. Do not expect any improvement in the loot situation, all that Supercell has done recently has made it worse. A few tiny gestures to keep face, but nothing substantial to improve the situation. Hard to accept, but we really are not the players Supercell want to attract. Noobs with money for gems is all they are interested in.