The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

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Originally Posted by vandaliser

Really?

Just tell me their strategies on how to handle the Chinese BOTs.

Apparently, I've been attacked by 4 in the last 3 weeks and watched them upgrades from partly completed Lv8 walls, farm their way to full set of Lv9.

What's worst, SC decides to silence the issue rather than send a clear message that: those programs were prohibited AND can result in permanent ban.

With the program now available in English, you know what's hitting the ecosystem.

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It is extreemly dissapointing if SuperCell doesnt take this seriously. Steves answer didnt really make me feel that they do. All their attention should be on this potential gamekiller before it is to late. Add some sort off human recognition system to this game allready. A world leading game really have no excuse for beeing ♥♥♥♥able like this. If you dont know how to solve it. Hire a company to solve it or even better, hire the guy that made the bot.

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Originally Posted by vandaliser

Really?

Just tell me their strategies on how to handle the Chinese BOTs.

Apparently, I've been attacked by 4 in the last 3 weeks and watched them upgrades from partly completed Lv8 walls, farm their way to full set of Lv9.

What's worst, SC decides to silence the issue rather than send a clear message that: those programs were prohibited AND can result in permanent ban.

With the program now available in English, you know what's hitting the ecosystem.

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If supercell are adamant they havent changed anything regarding inactive bases then this is really the only other logical explanation for everyone now hardly seeing any collector raids.

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Originally Posted by Omes

by logic, you can't really compare gold and elixir like that.
in the case of a fully maxed base, walls included, the use of gold is dead. every golden loot you get is next to useless, if not due to nexting and traps, which i dare say relatively insignificant. BUT elixir would always stay relevant. pushing trophies, wars, donations (donations means a lot to the whole gameplay. especially if you donate a lv 4 pekka to a TH7 who is farming with a giant-barch), that Gowipe with 5 spells ain't gonna pay itself. So the value of elixir is not really on upgrades alone. Gold, is another matter.

THEREFORE, saying lix-for-walls update is correct because elixir upgrade costs are half that of gold's, is incorrect.
AND, the person who did come up with that update, is presumably less than smart.
UNLESS, the purpose is $. Which would make him a genius.

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Originally Posted by wip3ed

Of course I'm serious. You are only showing half the picture. How much elixir do you need for troops and spells?
And gold isn't really the lifeblood of the game. it just gives you a better base. Attacking, donating, going to war and Hunt together is what the game is all about.

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Originally Posted by BarbeNoire

Ok but upgrading your village and going to battle are two different things. The first one uses a lot of gold, and the second one a lot of elixir.
Because of walls, the need for gold was endless. But when you finished all your lab, camp, collectors and storages upgrades at your TH lvl, the need for elixir was over (maybe for x-bows), so you had more time to recover for elixir.

Now that there is an endless pit for gold AND elixir, the economy is worse. Waiting for your common sense to reply.

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Half the picture... training troops... going to war.... yes i understand you all but the elixir to walls issue did nothing wrong it only exposed that the raiding system and the loot it generates is wrong.

i'm a big advocate of raiding with a bigger army which i know costs elixir (More than barching) but right now, after the change we cannot consistently do this as we simply cannot afford to.

My point relating to gold and elixir needed for upgrading a base is to show, very simply, that on your base alone the need for both is very much out of w♥♥♥♥.
Elixir for walls came along to use some of that. (as a nearly maxed TH10 i have wasted millions and millions of elixir after a raid cause i simply didnt have anywhere to store it or use it - even now)
Thats a waste - and im all for having stronger bases to attack.

I understand that reversing the lix4walls change will help us raid with the bigger armies but it still does not address that the league system is not offering enough to use that sort of army neither is the available loot from a base.

this needs addressing to bring the overall available loot on a raid up which in my mind is the true issue in the economy.

the issue of poor loot was evident back in 2013 - the change to the system gave a little in January 2014 and now the lix4walls has dropped elixir to the level gold always has been.

this is the bigger picture, this is the problem and this is what they need to fix.

Unless of course you want to raid a base for less than 100K gold and 400K elixir every time?
Available to raid should be well over the 600K of each (Loot bonus visually included in the top left) which will enough us all to play the game properly and hell, even if we fluff up a raid we may get half? (300K is enough to at least reload some of the army). this is taking on a good base and not pounding a tiny townhall for nothing other than cups.

PS i mean no offence and apologies if i ruffled any feathers getting my point across.

Its clear that you guys can modify the economy (loots) but why its still the same no decent loots?why is there no action from supercell why?😳

Today news:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post3028068

let's hope something changes

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Originally Posted by vandaliser

Really?

Just tell me their strategies on how to handle the Chinese BOTs.

Apparently, I've been attacked by 4 in the last 3 weeks and watched them upgrades from partly completed Lv8 walls, farm their way to full set of Lv9.

What's worst, SC decides to silence the issue rather than send a clear message that: those programs were prohibited AND can result in permanent ban.

With the program now available in English, you know what's hitting the ecosystem.

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just buy gems for supporting supercell if you want to gem. If you don't, although it's hard to upgrade, u still can. If you don't upgrade, u can still do clan wars, chat and even raid. It's up to u. I already bought gems for upgrades because it's so much fun! That's why I bought gems. If u just want free game, it's fine. Enjoy your game.

In the last week, I only get really poor loots in Silver II league, I'm on th8 and I only got 800.000 elixir in the last 3 days.

I was thinking in buying 500gems for end my LVL5 Giants soon, but I don't have enough elixir to order LVL5 wizards, so I decided to wait.

Supercell you lost mine 4.49€ because of bad loots, maybe I'm not the only one.

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Originally Posted by wip3ed

Please explain why letting players drain the lifeblood of the game into walls was the right decision.
I have never seen so little elixir avialiable ever, and need to calculate everything I do with it now.
You just made the game more boring.

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People are not listening to Steve on this point. Making Elixir useful for high level players that "choose" to manipulate their trophy range was a wise decision. That is common sense for anyone looking at this objectively. Let me break that down as clearly as I can as a player of this game with many 1000 hours of play hours under my belt. Does not mean I know what I am talking about but it does mean i have experience - whatever value that is to someone that may read this comment....

High level players farming in a league below the natural capability of their defences were disrupting the balance of the game in a way that we probably could not perceive.

This is because we had probably maxed out our lix upgrades and were sticking elixir storages outside walls or in easy to reach places in favour of defending other buildings - personally, my gold mines were far more important to me than my lix storages!

This did not impact me at all - by the end of the day, I was back to 8m lix but I had essentially given away in the region of 1.5 - 2m lix to attackers that needed only a few troops.

The result was TH7+ making large lix bank faster than the game probably wants them too - ie it was out of balance. Didnt bother me at all but maybe it was bothering the TH7 and below bases that they were pounding on with rapidly upgrading armies etc. I dont have game stats but I am sure there was a significant impact of people like me throwing away 400k lix in Crystal 3 league and below - oh and offering free cups in the process.

Another side effect of "worthless" lix was the inevitable full dragon army that i'd cook and liberal use of rage. I am sure I was the cause of a few, its not fair threads when I 3 starred my first attack of the day (or whenever I was offline for a couple of hours) Didn't bother me, but probably bothered the defender that would not have suffered that attack if my lix was even the slightest bit valuable to me.

I was basically given no choice - either use lix on the odd massive army and give it away to people, or protect it but then REMOVE lix from the game because when I raid you for all your lix, it does not actually enter my storages, there is NO SPACE.

Ok, so I am writing this on the fly so those comments may not hang together in any logical flow but hopefully they offer some tangible reasons why leaving lix the way it was was doing no one favours in the long run - it was inevitable that eventually, we'd all have 8m in our storages unless we were hunting trophies and cooking power armies every raid.

Now, why is lix for walls a solution?

Again, my opinion - but....

Walls are optional, helpful to a degree but optional. If you choose to upgrade a wall as opposed to saving the lix for an expensive upgrade (and therefore offering an attacker the chance to raid you) thats up to you. But you do so at your detriment to be honest - prematurely doing walls and neglecting your more useful lix upgrades will not help advance you as much as the inverse will (ie focussing on the important army stuff).

So SC gave us a choice - which is better that a directive - such as finding another way to drain lix from the game to avoid players like me draining it from the game and then giving it to a community of player to accelerate them to a point where theyd be doing the same thing etc etc...imbalance as I explained above. Imagine if the same were true of gold. Great for a few months until everyone had a maxed out base with gleaming lava walls as the MINIMUM at TH9

As for there being a loot issue - of course there is...DE is probably the only resource you can still get whenever you want. That does not mean that removing the lix for walls change will help. Sure there might be a bit more elixir in the game but so what. Build all the fancy armies you want, gold is still shot! What do you want to do, raid to get 50k gold and 250k lix which i used to see a lot (and skip it i might add). Now I attack it! And am happy to!!

We need a change that impacts how we get our hands on resources.

We should not focus on limiting the ways we spend - thats not a useful solution. I am happy SC gave me the option to spend elixir on walls as will any farmer once they max out their lix upgrades. What I need now is a more reliable way to make resource profit than raiding in the current economy because that is broken. Lix for walls did not break it...gold was very hard to accumulate before this if you recall...I certainly do and you can go look up some of my loot threads to prove it.

Hello Steve,

Can I have answer from you?

Why you don't try to fix the Loot system or try to improve the game? so now when u get Rich and have money u don't care anymore to us? Remember we payed to u.

So, all that money u get and still wont make the Loot system better? Really we want game that care. We need good loot to have fun but it seems impossible, u didn't even make any changes from alllll these suggested Ideas to improve the loot or do anything.

I know this gonna deleted because its the Truth :)

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Originally Posted by Keywal

Half the picture... training troops... going to war.... yes i understand you all but the elixir to walls issue did nothing wrong it only exposed that the raiding system and the loot it generates is wrong.

i'm a big advocate of raiding with a bigger army which i know costs elixir (More than barching) but right now, after the change we cannot consistently do this as we simply cannot afford to.

My point relating to gold and elixir needed for upgrading a base is to show, very simply, that on your base alone the need for both is very much out of w♥♥♥♥.
Elixir for walls came along to use some of that. (as a nearly maxed TH10 i have wasted millions and millions of elixir after a raid cause i simply didnt have anywhere to store it or use it - even now)
Thats a waste - and im all for having stronger bases to attack.

I understand that reversing the lix4walls change will help us raid with the bigger armies but it still does not address that the league system is not offering enough to use that sort of army neither is the available loot from a base.

this needs addressing to bring the overall available loot on a raid up which in my mind is the true issue in the economy.

the issue of poor loot was evident back in 2013 - the change to the system gave a little in January 2014 and now the lix4walls has dropped elixir to the level gold always has been.

this is the bigger picture, this is the problem and this is what they need to fix.

Unless of course you want to raid a base for less than 100K gold and 400K elixir every time?
Available to raid should be well over the 600K of each (Loot bonus visually included in the top left) which will enough us all to play the game properly and hell, even if we fluff up a raid we may get half? (300K is enough to at least reload some of the army). this is taking on a good base and not pounding a tiny townhall for nothing other than cups.

PS i mean no offence and apologies if i ruffled any feathers getting my point across.

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Thanks for clearing this up. I wasnt entirely sattisfied with the exciting lootsystem neither, but gold is not a gamebreaker for me as it only slows down the defensive progress. Slowing down on the attacking in the game is a gamebreaker. Perhaps not so much for me as I only have a few lab-upgrades left to use elixir on, but I see it is a big step in the wrong direction for the game. That's why I would like SuperSteve to explain why they think it is absolutly right.