The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

This is getting stupid and i may quit the game. I endlesly search for loot which i cant find and THE MINUTE i get off i get smacked by lvl 6 giants and 5 spells. I had 5.5mil saved up but in getting raided and next ing ive lost 2.7mil today. This system us broken and supercell better do something soon. As a th9 it is impossible to defend against max troops and 5 spells and lvl 20+ heros. I lose 200k-300k everytime i log off. Havent found 1 raid today either. Just sad supercell you don't even care about your own fans. Hope this game dies because you are to lazy to fix your own game.

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

I do not believe that SC is incompetent; I believe they see everything far more clearly than me, you, or anyone else on the forums.

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So, SC already predicted this loot disaster and now they're acting like there is nothing happen ? Wow.

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Originally Posted by Beancounter

Yep, the overall demand for gold has been pretty flat since the introduction of lvl10 and lvl11 walls. If anything production has increased since then - league bonus. That was a long time ago! But i still hold that by trying to make stores raids more profitable they made loot worse. The more profitable stores raids become, the more attractive cheap th shields become. Then by offering free gems for hitting a certain cup range encourages people to th snipe. So I got a whole bunch of people just waiting to snipe my th. People that have no business attacking me.

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Supercell's developers seem to be a fan of Occam's razor, or stated another way--profoundly simple ideas that address the issue at hand. People staying on 24/7? response: personal breaks. champs cheap shielding each other? response: revenge timeout. ghosting in clan wars? response: client times out after 30 seconds.

So if they want active players to attack active bases, I propose one profoundly simple dynamic that could do that as a second order effect. (before you flame me, I'm talking at the basic principal level, not the actual mechanics of how this would work) offer dividends on your storage balance. in other words, give a bonus for carrying higher loot balances. If there's a direct benefit to each player to carry more loot, active players will do so. the second order effect is that it would become more lucrative for an active player to attack an active player--and there would be more loot overall in the economy.

People lose more resources nexting. It's just not visible unless you compare gold gained in storages with gold grab increase.

To get 5 mil in storages, i spend averaging 1-1.5 mil in nexts

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Originally Posted by Xlcblx

Im finding good loot..6m gold today

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Take a break... Get some fresh air jeez

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Originally Posted by Coathanger

With th10s new farming armies (barch n bam) will that not help generate more bonuses and more loot? It will also give high level farmers a shorter training time as they will be able to use less troops. WTs and lvl7 mortars will take an extra shot to kill the barbs meaning they survive 50% longer.

As a th9 I am already scured. I upgraded my mortars earlier than intended due to level 7 barch.

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Smart move. I've also been upgrading my mortas and wizard towers, before "the L7 barch storm" hits. I pity the other TH9s who haven't.

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Originally Posted by SPARTENS

This is getting stupid and i may quit the game. I endlesly search for loot which i cant find and THE MINUTE i get off i get smacked by lvl 6 giants and 5 spells. I had 5.5mil saved up but in getting raided and next ing ive lost 2.7mil today. This system us broken and supercell better do something soon. As a th9 it is impossible to defend against max troops and 5 spells and lvl 20+ heros. I lose 200k-300k everytime i log off. Havent found 1 raid today either. Just sad supercell you don't even care about your own fans. Hope this game dies because you are to lazy to fix your own game.

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I was about to post the same thing. It took me 2 hours to raid 300k worth of gold. I sign off, and someone raids 150k of gold from me. So essentially, I only got 150k worth of gold, in 2 hours of work.

This game is broken... and I'm not sure how I am able to save up enough gold for my upgrades. I knew there would be a lack of resource when they announced this whole wall update.

I also heard that you can request a refund, if you bought gems. Maybe that'll show SC...

I'm a TH10 in master.... so before anyone say loot is great in master, check again.

When I see those new post showing raids with 200-250k loot and exclaimed that is good loot, I am always laughing:rolleyes:

In the past, good loot refers to 350k-400k or above. But I guess the good old time is over.

Time to adjust myself back to the new norm (200k = good loot, rejoice...:rolleyes:)

May you guys find lotsa 200k bases in your search.:o

Zach, I hear what you are saying but I don't quite agree. The distribution phenomenon is not new. We haven't had a major change to the trophy system in what, a year? That was before my time as a player. Maybe we are just talking semantics here, but the loot issue of today is due to what other users said earlier, more loot being spent than what is being produced/available to loot.

Some anecdotal evidence: I just recently maxed my TH9 except for royals, walls and troop upgrades - like a week before the update happened. I know, how awesome was that timing? Anyways, at the time, I didn't need any more elixir except for a few last troop upgrade and then it would simply be dark and gold farming for me for wall (pre-update). I even contemplated putting my elixir storages out so other people could keep me from removing the pink from the game once I maxed. I was also farming with balloonion and while my storages were increasing, elixir would take several weeks to max once I depleted it (i.e. after starting lvl 6 archers 2 weeks before patch - again, great timing). I also have a TH8 alt in the exact same boat.

The above situation made it easier to play the game. You may not be able to find gold, but at least you could create whatever kind of army you wanted to farm with (balloonion, giant/wiz, giant/healer, gowiX, etc.) because elixir was plentiful. Even if you had a couple of failed raids or gold-only raids, you would only need to come across a base like mine and BAM, you have 300k-600k elixir in your stores again. Those days are long gone.

Now that we can pour elixir into wall, I don't have any need to keep the pink stuff except what I need to finish the troop upgrade du jour for the week. Now when someone raids me, they will only get 50-150k elixir instead of 300-400k. That is a HUGE drop in available elixir. The TH8s that I used to farm so well for elixir are in the same boat as now they can get skulls with pink, too, so I can't even go down a TH to get the loot.

If you are farming with BARCH or BAM, it isn't a big deal as you have a cheap army, but you can't get to the stores, so you are counting on inactive collector raids. If you create a storage army, you HAVE to find a lucrative base to hit as you can't afford the elixir loss, so storage raids are harder to come by too. By players being forced into these two camps, there are less targets available to each type of attacker, hence the "I can't find loot" threads. This all points to a systemic loot shortage that can only be fixed by a mechanic shift in the loot or resource system.

I have long been an advocate for changing the mechanic for league bonuses and attack loot payouts. Give the league bonus a factor based on the number of stars - i.e. loot bonus times X where X=number of stars on the attack. You could also significantly increase the league bonus and detach it from the defender's resources so the defender doesn't lose any loot (or only a small amount), which would increase the incentive for successful defenses. In this case, you could make the payout based on league or on the defender's defenses - similar to clan wars. Lots of ways could be invented to help the loot situation. I prefer the above ideas, obviously as they are my suggestion, especially if SC wants us to attack active bases. Imagine if in Crystal 2, you could get 200k loot for a 3-star on any base... that would make it worthwhile to both build a big storage army and also to attack the TH7s or TH8s who snipe to get into Crystal.

TL;DR - Loot is down because of elixir being poured into walls and this has reduced the attack strategies to two types - barch or bam for collectors or big, long cook armies for storages - both facing an issue of more attackers searching than there are available targets, hence the loot problem. The solution is to increase the loot infusion into the game or change the mechanic of awarding loot.

Never mind the loot shortage by allowing walls to be upgraded by elixir. Bases are now harder to raid! SC did nothing to balance this, except level 7 archers & barbarians. At crystal I +, barch does not work.

Do you guys agree that bases are now harder to loot due to higher level walls?