The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

Look!

Two data points!!!
It's a trend.

Worryingly you loot is going down!
Your next raid would have been only 200k gold and 130k elixir!!!

(also you're level 67, so what TH7 or TH8? is there ANYONE at TH7 or TH8 complaining about loot?)

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Originally Posted by Flexlex

This is pretty simple, and if you think of it this way, it makes more sense: If you spent 3,000,000 on an Xbow upgrade today and only produced 400,000 thriough collectors, it means that other players had to supply 2,600,000 of that loot-loot

The only way I see this panning out is either
1) SC admits a mistake, makes appropriate fixes, and DRASTICALLY overhauls the loot system.
2) Eventually, the system gets broken to the point that people no longer have fun and mass amounts of individuals quit>>> Which ultimately will rebalance out the amount of loot coming into the game from inactive players not spending their loot.

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Good write up, but I disagre with your last point, re it will rebalance as people quit. Here's why:

Using your example, which player is more likely to quit?
A) The 1 player with the new X-Bow or
B) The 8 other players who's loot was stolen (to fund the X-Bow)

Of course it's (B). As those "lambs" quit, the "lion" needs to hunt harder and longer, to find the same loot. Sound familiar?

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Originally Posted by Benson822175

4 million max in storages... Are you TH7? if thats the case, you dont belong anywhere near loot complaints, you should be having it good

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TH8, but I only have two of each storages built. I don't see a need for the other ones until I hit TH9.

With all the loot 'comments' jammed into one thread, I don't know, nor do I care to read about, who, specifically, is complaining. To me, the loot looks fine.

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Originally Posted by PhilISuppose

Look!

Two data points!!!
It's a trend.

Worryingly you loot is going down!
Your next raid would have been only 200k gold and 130k elixir!!!

(also you're level 67, so what TH7 or TH8? is there ANYONE at TH7 or TH8 complaining about loot?)

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Three .

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Basically I'm saying loot production being lower than consumed loot is the effect rather than the cause.

I agree that these effects are exacerbated by the nexting issue and SC's policies. They have messed up the old balance and they keep attempting to redistribute resources by changing the liquidity of loot (loot system change) and by shifting costs (walls and spells to elixir) rather than increase production to counteract some of the inefficiencies that have developed. They can only do this for so long though before the issue becomes too big to be masked by all this shifting. At that time, production increases are the only way to go.

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Exactly. The question is, why doesn't Supercell see that?

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Originally Posted by choczombie

Yep, my clan mates down your level are finding lots of loot too. Everyone from th4 through th8 is getting great loot (the lower levels getting the better of it). The problem is th9s and th10s, too much competition at that level for too little loot.

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Im finding good loot..6m gold today

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Originally Posted by Trmcgregor

Exactly. The question is, why doesn't Supercell see that?

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I do not believe that SC is incompetent; I believe they see everything far more clearly than me, you, or anyone else on the forums.

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

This is where I fundamentally disagree: I believe loot creation IS sufficient to cover what is being spent. We aren't seeing this because of the distribution problems I spent most of the post discussing.

Evidence that the production isn't the root cause is because it worked so well for so long even with roughly the same production and costs (neither have changed dramatically in the past year with the exception of elixir walls). The problem is that the disribution inefficiencies cause loot production to decrease indirectly: because inactives that make it to the back of the queue are essentially forgone sources of production. Once their collectors fill, their production becomes zero, and they will likely not be attacked again (a certain percentage of them that is).

Basically I'm saying loot production being lower than consumed loot is the effect rather than the cause.

I agree that these effects are exacerbated by the nexting issue and SC's policies. They have messed up the old balance and they keep attempting to redistribute resources by changing the liquidity of loot (loot system change) and by shifting costs (walls and spells to elixir) rather than increase production to counteract some of the inefficiencies that have developed. They can only do this for so long though before the issue becomes too big to be masked by all this shifting. At that time, production increases are the only way to go.

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Yep, the overall demand for gold has been pretty flat since the introduction of lvl10 and lvl11 walls. If anything production has increased since then - league bonus. That was a long time ago! But i still hold that by trying to make stores raids more profitable they made loot worse. The more profitable stores raids become, the more attractive cheap th shields become. Then by offering free gems for hitting a certain cup range encourages people to th snipe. So I got a whole bunch of people just waiting to snipe my th. People that have no business attacking me.

Thank you for being there loot! I will come see you again, and again, and again, and again....


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Loot bragging thread?Upgrade your th into 10 and see a new meta :cool: