The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

To the "math" regarding DarkHero's report that he is doing fine with loot.

First, the numbers need 495k each and 1800 DE to factor in his win bonuses. This puts him as profiting for elixir especially when combined with his collector output.

Second, it assumes. Assumes he targeted elixir in the first place, the raids are not 100% and being so do not present a full picture. It assumes he needs elixir at the same rate as gold, *hint it is not if outside the beginning stages of town hall development.

Third, helps show that people are guilty of selection biases when countering evidence contrary to their arguments.

P.S. The reddit quote was not used as a counter point to nesnnesn. His arguments are ignored by me as they are a result of continued harassment dating back to March. Do you still think the insults relied on reflect on me? SMH.

Reminds me of my sister's statement in regards to the arguments on the forums. "You are probably arguing with 12 year olds."

Draw you own conclusions about the "math" and nesnnesn.

Deuces.

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Originally Posted by Coathanger

To the "math" regarding DarkHero's report that he is doing fine with loot.

First, the numbers need 495k each and 1800 DE to factor in his win bonuses. This puts him as profiting for elixir especially when combined with his collector output.

Second, it assumes. Assumes he targeted elixir in the first place, the raids are not 100% and being so do not present a full picture. It assumes he needs elixir at the same rate as gold, *hint it is not if outside the beginning stages of town hall development.

Third, helps show that people are guilty of selection biases when countering evidence contrary to their arguments.

P.S. The reddit quote was not used as a counter point to nesnnesn. His arguments are ignored by me as they are a result of continued harassment dating back to March. Do you still think the insults relied on reflect on me? SMH.

Reminds me of my sister's statement in regards to the arguments on the forums. "You are probably arguing with 12 year olds."

Draw you own conclusions about the "math" and nesnnesn.

Deuces.

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The whole math is pointless because we have no idea how much he spent nexting.

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Originally Posted by Faufiffon

If the casual players you're talking about are happy right now, they will always be happy. Whatever Supercell does. They go to McDonald's and think they're eating French cuisine, good for them. But although they have the right to voice their opinion in this discussion, their opinion is without any value : they are always happy.
As for the people (th10) managing to maintain that pace, they are either lying or spending an insane amount of time (or money) in this game. They do indeed eat French cuisine but they spent the night in a tent waiting for that privilege...

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Why would their opinion be less valuable to SuperCell? Nor you or I have an idea what percentage of the customer base they constitute and there is no rule that dictates that negative opinions carry more weight than positive ones.

As for the TH10s: Why would they be lying (besides some occasional trolling)? If they are lying, then they must be suffering from the same issues as you are. Therefore, it would be in their best interest as well to have a loot overhaul. Subsequently, I don't see the rationale behind your claim.

Spending an "insane" amount of time is relative. Obviously you don't consider yourself spending an insane amount of time. However, the "casual" player you are referring to might find that you do. And the ones who spend more time than you, might consider you as a "casual" player - which in turn would render your opinion value-less according to your own logic.

And I doubt the people spending money to buy their resources feel the urge to waste their time on this issue.

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Originally Posted by LordAmbreon

The whole math is pointless because we have no idea how much he spent nexting.

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Being that the argument is over the elixir gains that argument is the definition of a red herring.

Here are his numbers factoring in the league bonus. 2,361,676/382,804/8149 add in collectors over that 27 hour period and you get 2,928,676/949,804/16,249, this is gross profit over 27 hours.

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Originally Posted by Coathanger

P.S. The reddit quote was not used as a counter point to nesnnesn. His arguments are ignored by me as they are a result of continued harassment dating back to March. Do you still think the insults relied on reflect on me? SMH.

Reminds me of my sister's statement in regards to the arguments on the forums. "You are probably arguing with 12 year olds."

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Hahaha, more trolling from Coathanger with ad hominem attacks. Yes, go pretend that you are taking the high road after you've clearly lost the debate. Not that it was a real debate: you made a delusional argument that you pulled out of thin air:

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Originally Posted by Coathanger

First off people, generally, do not speak up when satisfied so you need to measure the satisfied by other means. There are far more people enjoying the game than complaining about it, that's why you are having to search more. :p You are having a harder time finding loot due to huge numbers of players who are out there raiding, upgrading and enjoying the game. More players=less loot for each of us, their pleasure is your bane.

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You have provided zero evidence that people do not speak up when satisfied, and you use that fallacious argument to troll people who complain about loot.

Go pretend you are saving face and denying that you said: "Digest this from Reddit. If you would rather read reason." Here's a link to it, since you often seem to forget what you recently posted.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post2961654

P.S. Stop falsely accusing me of harassment. The only one harassing people on this forum is you with your delusional trolling. SMH.

269 pages of people complaining about how poor the loot is...I was going to read all the pages but that would mean clicking on 'next' page 269 times!!! Guess its similar to me clicking 'Next' for one raid! :p

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Originally Posted by BezG

Wanna know another way to tell if you're not doing good loot-wise? It's at the top of the screen,3 builders doing nothing.

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Brilliant haha... Just brilliant..

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Originally Posted by Coathanger

Being that the argument is over the elixir gains that argument is the definition of a red herring.

Here are his numbers factoring in the league bonus. 2,361,676/382,804/8149 add in collectors over that 27 hour period and you get 2,928,676/949,804/16,249, this is gross profit over 27 hours.

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Sorry, those are some crappy numbers! 2.3 mil gold and 382k elixir in 27 hrs?! Horrendous! And he is boosting spell factory. His collectors are outperforming his raiding on elixir and are almost beating it on DE! ♥♥♥♥, ♥♥♥♥ and more ♥♥♥♥. But in defense he was way to spell heavy on those attacks.

but a combined gold/elixir take of 2.6 mil is pretty wretched for a day.

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Originally Posted by Onomatopoeia

Why would their opinion be less valuable to SuperCell? Nor you or I have an idea what percentage of the customer base they constitute and there is no rule that dictates that negative opinions carry more weight than positive ones.

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I meant with no value in regards to assessing the loot situation, not to Supercell. They are happy regardless of the amount of loot. They don't have a clue. If this is what Supercell wants, they'll lose me and half of my clan. I'm sure Supercell will survive but that will be without my money at least.

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Originally Posted by Onomatopoeia

As for the TH10s: Why would they be lying (besides some occasional trolling)? If they are lying, then they must be suffering from the same issues as you are. Therefore, it would be in their best interest as well to have a loot overhaul. Subsequently, I don't see the rationale behind your claim.

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Look at the amount of negative comments among th10s. It's overwhelming. Maybe some are lucky - how it is possible, I don't know. The rest are dishonest. My rationale is that a lot of people would rather lose their legs than acknowledge that there is a problem that can be fixed. "Stupid whiners ahahah".

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Originally Posted by Onomatopoeia

Spending an "insane" amount of time is relative. Obviously you don't consider yourself spending an insane amount of time. However, the "casual" player you are referring to might find that you do. And the ones who spend more time than you, might consider you as a "casual" player - which in turn would render your opinion value-less according to your own logic.

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You're using the word 'relative' or its equivalent a lot. In Zimbabwe that's how they drown fish in water if you see what I mean. Please don't bring up 'casual' players in this discussion anymore, they're irrelevant. They would be happy playing Hello Kitty tic-tac-toe if this game goes down. And they would think the loot is great. Again, if that's the customers SC wants, I'm out.

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Originally Posted by Onomatopoeia

And I doubt the people spending money to buy their resources feel the urge to waste their time on this issue.

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Most of the people buying gems (including me) do not spend it on buying resources, They spend it on accelerating barracks or finishing an upgrade. But you're right, I'm sure there's a 1 percent that doesn't give a ♥♥♥♥. I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about them either.

But all is relative I guess. Wink wink.

I've boosted 2 times this week-end... Passed from 500k to 2,5M... .. For 4h of non-stop raiding.. I found my progression really not fun and practical... Loot is still bad for me... I couldn't even profit the gem boost last week since my th were upgrading... Now that i've spent my storage, i struggle to fill them finding nothing but 70-90k avail in storage from strong th9-10 where i can't get all four storage... Other hand is i can lose 200k each ressources when i get raided and lose half my storage... Sight*