The NEW one and only loot is good or bad thread

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Originally Posted by carlito

To be honest, as a maxed TH10, Elixir had become, for me, next to useless. Yes, some people benefited from the fact that I gave it away by sticking it outside of my base walls BUT that is not really what game developers want is it...a near useless resource that players at the top dont care about.

The fact is that you complete your elixir upgrades waaaaay faster than your gold ones yet the resources are supposed to be held in the same regard - ie gold and lix production is the same.

So, whilst walls now being upgraded with lix has impacted a number of players who got used to easy lix (I personally never raided for it and unless i wanted % would happily leave full storages / collectors before quitting a match), all it does is highlight an underlying issue with loot. What I mean by this is that the situation existed before the change. All the change did was expose the issue from an elxir perspective. Of course, gold has always had this issue and gold is also hard to acquire these days. That has nothing to do with the lix 4 walls change so I dont think there is any benefit complaining about that.

Ultimately, SC gave players like a me a purpose for elixir once again and that is a welcome thing in my book. Lets focus on the true root causes for poor loot if we want a sustainable fix...

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I think your stance is a little short sighted Carlito (except the part about the long term fix). People such as yourself & other lix maxed th 8,9 & 10's were crucial to the economy in my opinion. Personally, i do still need lix for upgrades - so when i was raiding, you & others like you were valid targets. I got my lix to cover army cost & profit a bit, got some gold too - & did it dumping 80k less into the next pit.

that all adds up - over a course of a season, i may do 70 - 100 raids - that 5.6 - 8m gold i've not taken out of the economy. i'll save that up for gold upgrades - & you'll find me or those like me sooner than now, getting the gold you want again with less wasted nexting.

You not having lix to fuel my gaming experience is in my opinion the a significant cause of your poorer game experience as you set out in your prev post - doing 40 raids for 2.5m gold profit, with a lot of boredom & gold lost through nexting. Overall, neither of us are getting what we want out of raiding.

i fear we're in a downwards spiral (or at the bottom following one) as the food chain of abandoned bases & lix heavy folk such as yourself, who together fueled the varied raiding economy (i.e. not all barch, all the time) have suddenly changed - & in my mind for the worse.

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Originally Posted by wip3ed

While I understand your point of view from the top of the game I have to slightly disagree with you. The excessive nexting in the search for elixir also drains more gold out of the game. As a close to maxed TH10 I now have to choose my ClanWars just to save up enough elixir to keep my researching going. Just like you I havent focused on elixir. Not since TH7, except for just after a TH-upgrade. Now it is completly different and I have to rely on collectors. My own and those from abondoned bases, just to stay ahead. The game is just not as fun any more.

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Yes, I am not saying that elixir not being easier to come by is not a problem...clearly it is, I agree that loot sucks.

What I am saying is that it is not the fact we can now spend lix on walls that is an issue. If we take that stance, we'd be asking SC to stop making upgrades so we have nothing to spend resource on...so there is more for us to raid from people...kinda silly when you play out the conversation that way, right?

The mechanics around the economy do not work. That is the issue. Giving us stuff to spend resource on is part of the game, it makes us want to play and raid...not having enough to keep the game fun is the problem. That is a separate issue to lix for walls. All lix for walls does is exacerbate the problem - it did not create it.

If we want a better game, we need SC to fix the economy - inhibiting spend is not how to do that, generating more sustained streams of income for all is.

Not easy, we dont want hyper inflation cos that will just lead to a bunch of maxed bases in a couple of months but it seems more than clear that the balance is off right now and too many people are quite simply not having fun any more.

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Originally Posted by Keywal

Another thread on loot where opinions are bashed into pieces! :)

Im th10... Crystal2 - which requires patience but i have 4 arch towers left to hit L13 and all my gold and elixir will be dropped into walls...

I've been playing this game since day 1 and have seen every change that has been made... Loot change wasnt bad in fact they made more loot available its just harder to find or harder to get..

Having spent hundreds of millions of gold and elixir ive come to the conclusion that complaining about loot comes from 2 types of people...

1. Those with no patience
2. Those that cannot attack

Ask yourself if you are one of these before splurging what is good or bad... Its random!!!

This thread exists not for daddy's shiney explanation of thread merging but for supercell to see what impact using elixir on walls has had...
Best move ever by the way, won't be seeing any raided elixir go to space anymore when I'm full! :)
Also a good move when a recent dev interview on redit showed elixir was twice that in volume of gold but had less than half the requirement...
Spells and walls spring to mind :)

And for anyone that doesnt believe me i wont photoshop my gg....

Ign:keywal
Clan:ZZZZZ
(Having a rest)

Dont bother complaining (ive tried before it doesn't work) instead ask yourself if youre one of these 2 types and if you are... Stop playing for your own mental health

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I don't think you can really say that. Thing is, SC itself acknowledged the loot problem. So does a mod, and lots of people. That would only make you an ignorant. Stop messing around with other people's mental health.

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Originally Posted by carlito

Yes, I am not saying that elixir not being easier to come by is not a problem...clearly it is, I agree that loot sucks.

What I am saying is that it is not the fact we can now spend lix on walls that is an issue. If we take that stance, we'd be asking SC to stop making upgrades so we have nothing to spend resource on...so there is more for us to raid from people...kinda silly when you play out the conversation that way, right?

The mechanics around the economy do not work. That is the issue. Giving us stuff to spend resource on is part of the game, it makes us want to play and raid...not having enough to keep the game fun is the problem. That is a separate issue to lix for walls. All lix for walls does is exacerbate the problem - it did not create it.

If we want a better game, we need SC to fix the economy - inhibiting spend is not how to do that, generating more sustained streams of income for all is.

Not easy, we dont want hyper inflation cos that will just lead to a bunch of maxed bases in a couple of months but it seems more than clear that the balance is off right now and too many people are quite simply not having fun any more.

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Even the clanwars are resource sink now. Although i will cont to war non stop because that helps put my base to test.

They should have given clanwars a multiplier for loot for consecutive wins.

we get no reward whatsoever for being good

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Originally Posted by carlito

Not easy, we dont want hyper inflation cos that will just lead to a bunch of maxed bases in a couple of months but it seems more than clear that the balance is off right now and too many people are quite simply not having fun any more.

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From SC's point of view having people quit without maxing is preferable to letting them max and then quit. Not many progression over time games have chosen this kind of path of total inhibition, by the way, so how it turns out is a bit interesting. On the latter part of your comment, was Clash ever more about having fun than fulfilling the maniacal need to upgrade the village to max?

Even though that comment may be a bit too harsh, I think most you can expect from a future update is a very small adjustment to better the loot in an effort to find that optimal point of no-loot-but-people-will-still-try again.

They should come up with a different loot system but that is not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by carlito

Yes, I am not saying that elixir not being easier to come by is not a problem...clearly it is, I agree that loot sucks.

What I am saying is that it is not the fact we can now spend lix on walls that is an issue. If we take that stance, we'd be asking SC to stop making upgrades so we have nothing to spend resource on...so there is more for us to raid from people...kinda silly when you play out the conversation that way, right?

The mechanics around the economy do not work. That is the issue. Giving us stuff to spend resource on is part of the game, it makes us want to play and raid...not having enough to keep the game fun is the problem. That is a separate issue to lix for walls. All lix for walls does is exacerbate the problem - it did not create it.

If we want a better game, we need SC to fix the economy - inhibiting spend is not how to do that, generating more sustained streams of income for all is.

Not easy, we dont want hyper inflation cos that will just lead to a bunch of maxed bases in a couple of months but it seems more than clear that the balance is off right now and too many people are quite simply not having fun any more.

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if this was not a pay 2 win game I would of course agree with you, but SC allways have to take cashflow into the consitteration when designing the economy. There is a big difference between elixir and gold. Elixir is required to attack, donating and basically all the fun. Letting all users, including those 90% farmers depend on that dont know how to play the game properly, drain elixir wo/builders time out of the economy is a big issue. If they just wanted to let maxed players have something to use their elixir on it would be introduced at wall lv9 or 10. That would also make more sense, because building those lower level walls really isn't to much of a grind and we would at least have to save up some raidable elixir in our storrages before we could drain it out.

Just spend 250K gold on nexting... found a base on 100K gold - didnt want to next anymore so I raided that. No I am down 150K for this 1 raid...

Found a few bases in gold 1 earlier but I agree, loot has been very low lately.

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Originally Posted by BezG

The only 'eric' in that Mayhem Rising clan isn't an elder and has a lower-case 'e' in his name.....as far as I know there's no way to change your name. Are you in another clan by that name? I can't find any with the same name and that shield

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Oh sorry, I'm currently chilling in lunar rising. I am a co leader in mayhem, so my account is almost always in one of the 4 rising family clans.

Some stats from my play this morning...

• 4hrs played
• 9 raids @ Crystal 2
• 8 wins
• 1.684m gold raided
• 0.272m gold from bonus
• 0.084m gold from mines
• 2.040m gold income over the period.
• 1.389m gold added to my storages
• 0.651m spent on next button
• 38.7% of my loot from raids spent on the cost of finding a raid
• 115k average gold raid after costs @ max TH10 with wall costs at 4m a block.
• 35 raids at this average needed to do one block
• 15.6hrs of play required to raid 4m at this rate.

Fun?!

You decide