Trophy/Matching and Bonus/Achievement Ideas

Trophy/Matching Suggestions

One of the most common complaints by lower level players is that higher levels artificially lower their trophy count to attack/defend against easier bases. Suggestions to make this less likely, and lessen its impact:

1. Allow for matches outside the designated trophy range with players of similar experience level. This would give players less incentive to sit at lower trophy levels. An equation for this would look something like +/- XP Level/10 -1. So, for example, in addition to being matched with players in a similar trophy range, a level 60 attacker would also see players between level 55 and 65, and a level 100 would see players between levels 91 and 109.

2. When matching inside the trophy range, give (more) weight to experience level.

3. When calculating the number of trophies that can be gained/lost in an attack, factor in town hall and/or experience level. I'm not sure if this is factored in at all right now, but it could be factored to a greater degree. A TH9 should not be getting 20 or even 13 trophies for getting 3 stars on a TH7. They should be getting maybe 8-10 at most. If higher level players gain less trophies for attacking a lower level player (think of it similar to the loot penalty), they will be less likely to attack lower level players, and also less likely to trophy down, because it would be more of a pain to trophy back up.

Individual and Clan Achievements and Bonuses

While high level players have an incentive to be in high level clans and push for trophies to get the gem bonus for being a top player in a top clan, there are no similar incentives for lower level players and clans. So here are some ideas for individual and clan achievements and bonuses.

Clan Rank Achievement/Bonus - Similar to the gem bonuses that are given out for the top 3 clans each season, the top players in a clan that breaks certain thresholds for the first time would receive a bonus. To prevent players from hopping from clan to clan searching for a clan about to break a threshold, Supercell should give the bonuses out at the end of the season, and consider making the bonus available only to players that have been with the clan for the entire season. Suggested thresholds: Top 5000 (500 gems distributed among top 10 players), Top 1000 (1000 gems distributed among top 10 players), Top 200 (2000 gems distributed among top 10 players).

Alternative: An individual achievement called Team Player. Become a top 10 player in a clan ranked 5000 or better: 100 gems. Become a top 10 player in a clan ranked 1000 or better: 200 gems. Become a top 10 player in a clan ranked 200 or better: 500 gems. The gem totals are slightly higher because each player can only ever get these bonuses once.

War Win Streak - Clans would receive bonuses based on war win streaks. One possibility would be one-time thing where gems are awarded, say once a streak of 5, 10, or 20 is achieved. The award could be distributed based on the total number of stars and the total amount of war loot gained during the streak (both should be factored in so players are not penalized for going after higher bases and getting less stars). This could also be set up as an individual achievement: be part of a 5-win streak, a 10-win streak, a 20-win streak. To complete the achievement a player would have to stay in the same clan and participate in all the wars.

The alternative, which is probably the better idea, would be a loot bonus that increases as the streak increases. In this case, a 3-win streak could earn a +5% war win bonus for the clan. At 5 wins, the bonus would go up to +10%, 7 wins would be +15%, 10 wins would be +20%, 15 wins would be +25%, and so forth. In order to prevent players from searching out clans with long streaks in order to up their loot bonus, each player's bonus would be calculated based on how many wars in the streak he/she has participated in. For example, a player in a clan on a 10-win streak that has participated in all 10 wars would receive a 20% loot bonus, but a player in a clan on a 10-win streak that has only participated in 5 wars would only receive a 10% bonus. Since this is based on a clan's win streak and not an individual's, the bonus increase would be lost any time a player leaves a clan for another one.

Perfect War Bonus - Any clan that achieves 100% of the total stars available in a war would receive a loot bonus. Since this feat is rather difficult, the war win bonus could be doubled for the entire clan. It should also be noted that both this bonus and the war streak bonus may necessitate increasing the total amount of loot the clan castle can hold.

Individual Player Awards - This is going to be much more complicated than the previous suggestions, but the basic idea is to group players into experience ranges, create some sort of point system, and reward the players with the highest totals at the end of each season. Groupings would be in 10-level increments, with the first group being players starting the season level 29 or below, then 30-39, 40-49, and so-on. The top group would be level 100+. Trophy count would be a major factor in any point system that determines the awards, but it should not be the only factor, as that would reward town hall sniping. Other factors to consider:

- average destruction per attack (should also weight defenders' town halls, experience level, and trophy count)
- average stars per attack
- average destruction on defense (also factoring in opponent's town hall and experience level)
- percent of defenses won (to discourage players from leaving their town halls undefended)
- total xp gained over a season

Theoretically, you wouldn't even need to create experience level groups if you figured out a point system that places players of all levels on equal footing, but I think having players compete against others on the experience level for rewards and bonuses would add an important element to the game that is currently missing, and keep more players in a league that makes sense for their skill and experience level.


Ideas/Thoughts/Suggestions welcome.

So much thought put into this, very nice.

The only suggestion I dont agree with is your trophy/matchmaking portion. If I understand correctly, and feel free to correct me if I do not, wouldn't matching players based on level/TH render trophy count fairly irrelevant? I mean we already have TH2s & 3s reaching incredible feats of 3600+. If they find bases their own strength would that not make pushing cups at lower Townhall levels incredibly easy? And even if they have to search for six hours to find a TH10 snipe to raise their trophies, I imagine enforcing a trophy penalty for attacking those below you in level or townhall level would mean these players would never lose trophies? Unless of course they are ultimately found by players their own level (again rendering the trophy system in place currently completely useless and obsolete).

However your other incentives for staying in higher leagues would possibly be a game changer, one that I think needs to be implemented in some form or fashion, and I think the ideas in this thread are spot on.:)

Thanks :)

You bring up some very good points that need to be taken into consideration. The idea would certainly have to be played with in order to make it so lower level players that have a lot of trophies from town hall sniping aren't getting too many trophies by attacking players that are more on their level.

As far as losing trophies goes though, yes, they wouldn't lose many trophies if a higher level player in the same trophy range attacked them BUT they could now also be attacked by players with similar experience levels that are much lower than them, and could stand to lose a lot of trophies this way, so that should end up balancing it out.

One idea that I think I forgot has to do with factoring in the percentage of defenses a player has won, and the average destruction on their base (say over the last 10 or 20 defenses) when determining how many trophies will be gained/lost in an attack. This might not eliminate sniping, but it would make it so you'd only get 1 or 2 trophies from one-starring a base that always has its town hall out has lost 20 defenses in a row, as opposed to the 4-11 trophies you often get now. Including the average destruction would still give you reasonable trophies if you get 2-stars though, so for example with the proposed weighting system, a base might only be worth 1 trophy to 1-star, but 20 trophies for a 2 star and 30 for 3, rather than the even divide that the current system gives you. The loot bonus you get for each league could even be tied to the number of stars you get in an attack.

Also, to further this, your example of having TH2's and 3's at 3600+ trophies, as well as the fact that high level players hang out in bronze indicates that the current trophy system is more or less obsolete to begin with.

Basically, the question I am asking is "How can the game more effectively encourage players to gain and keep trophies without simultaneously encouraging town hall sniping."

The idea is to make it so high level players don't really have an incentive to stay in leagues that are way below their level, and lower level players don't have as much to gain from town hall sniping.

I agree the trophy system could always be improved upon, but I dont think townhall sniping to the extreme is necessarily a bad thing, that takes a LOT morededication than people think. As to your idea about base destruction, are you saying the more your base gets destroyed the more cups your base offers? Yikes! as a fairly well upgraded townhall nine sitting in Master 2, I can easily get wiped by High level Gowipe (wiped by gowipe? dang I'm accidently SO punny ;)) However back to the point, I would lose cups faster than I could possibly regain because against other bases in this trophy range, I am getting one star on average, even with full scale loon attacks.

Edit: Although upon more thinking, I didn't consider the overhaul at the heart of this thread, in that I would find bases my own level. (oops!) I hesitate to imagine Supercell doing something so completely gamechanging, and although with a bit more polish this idea could probably be feasible but it would change everything that we currently know (and for the most part love) about clash. If the trophy system was scrapped, you'd need to find a whole new incentive for people to wanna be the best and get to the leaderboards (which is why people spend money in the first place) I think at this point, you're changing everything at the core of the game and may as well start up a whole new project! :p I think it would all in all be better to leave the core matchmaking a is, and make it more enticing (loots!) to stay in a higher league and fight for those cups.

Nice Ideas but the first one.
we already have loot penalty and that is enough for who goes down in trophies...

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Originally Posted by Denrochee

I agree the trophy system could always be improved upon, but I dont think townhall sniping to the extreme is necessarily a bad thing, that takes a LOT morededication than people think.

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I'm aware of how much dedication it takes, and I don't think it's a bad thing either, but I also don't think it would hurt the game if there was more encouragement for people to put their town halls away, and snipers were getting less trophies for shooting out town halls, especially ones that are permanently out.

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Originally Posted by Denrochee

As to your idea about base destruction, are you saying the more your base gets destroyed the more cups your base offers?

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No, the opposite actually. Keep in mind that an attacker's trophy count relative to the defender's would still be the main factor when determining the trophies available, but what I'm saying is the higher the average destruction and stars earned on a defender's base over the last 10 or 20 attacks, the less trophies that base would be worth. So, if the last 10 players to attack you averaged 55% and 1.4 stars, your base would be worth more trophies than if the last 10 attackers averaged 65% and 1.6 stars. I would also want to factor each player's experience into this calculation though, because getting 2-starred by someone the same level as you isn't the same as getting 2-starred by someone 20 levels higher.

Of course, the main problem I see here is that players with their town halls out screws up how this would work because they're constantly getting 1-starred with maybe 2% destruction, which is why you might also need to factor in win/loss ratio or something.

One last thought this also brings to mind is adding more milestones to how the trophies are handed out. For example, instead of 1/3 trophies each for the town hall, 50%, and 100%, the number of trophies allocated to the town hall would be based in part on how often your town hall is destroyed (the more often your town hall is destroyed, the less trophies an attacker gets for destroying it), and you might also receive some percentage of the trophies at 60, 75, and 90% damage.

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Originally Posted by Denrochee

Edit: Although upon more thinking, I didn't consider the overhaul at the heart of this thread, in that I would find bases my own level. (oops!) I hesitate to imagine Supercell doing something so completely gamechanging, and although with a bit more polish this idea could probably be feasible but it would change everything that we currently know (and for the most part love) about clash.

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I'm not sure how gamechanging it would be, since you would still, for the most part, be matched against bases in your trophy range. The idea is that in addition to that, there would be some probability that you will get a match that is outside your trophy range, but within your experience range. Of course, ideal matches would be within a trophy range and an experience range. The more gamechanging part, I think, would be changing how the trophies won/lost for an attack are calculated, which, if it includes a penalty for attacking lower level bases, would make higher level players less likely to go after easy targets.

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Originally Posted by komohammad

Nice Ideas but the first one.
we already have loot penalty and that is enough for who goes down in trophies...

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I don't think it is, because I'm not trying to address the problem of higher level players attacking lower level players for loot. You're right, the loot penalty does do at least a pretty decent job of that. In my experience though, the bigger problem is higher level players that have trophied down and are now climbing back up attacking bases much weaker than them for a significant number of trophies, and that is really what I'm trying to address.

In regards to THs out: I like many others will stick em out there to defend my loot as long as shields are in the game. Defence in my experience is not worth it unless you are extremely high in cups and don't wish to give an easier chance of being 2-3 starred.

In regards to average base destruction & Townhall/Xp Lv affecting cups offered: Alright good, I thought I may be talking to a madman.;) I still think that lower level people chasing for cups should not be given a free pass in terms of how much they lose on defense. Trophy pushing without extreme dedication and patience, IMHO, should not be possible, and lowering the cup availability would change that to benefit lower players at a hinderence to more advanced players. I'm all for making the game more enjoyable fore everyone, but not if it hurts those that put extreme amounts of time/money into the game.

Another question would be for example, what would the cups offered be for a th3 in bronze attacking a th3 3600+?

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Originally Posted by Denrochee

Another question would be for example, what would the cups offered be for a th3 in bronze attacking a th3 3600+?

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That is the million dollar question, isn't it? It is all about the balancing act between reducing the number of cups available for high level players attacking lower ones, while simultaneously allowing lower trophied players to go after higher ones on their experience level, and also creating some incentives for people to put their town halls away and reducing the number of cups available on town halls that are constantly sitting out so those lower level players find it even more difficult to trophy up that far to begin with.

Unfortunately, even if I had the sort of data I'd need to put together some sort of algorithm, I'm not nearly enough of a math nerd to be able to say what it should look like.