Ideas On Boosting Economy

For all those posting ideas about ways to correct or fix what they feel is a poor economy, I would like to enlighten all of you. I watched an interview on YouTube with a SC developer and I'm almost positive that he stated that they use a simulator to be able to see the effects of any changes they wish to implement to the game before they release the update to "us" the players.

I remember the onslaught of hate dropped on SC when they implemented the TH6-TH10 looting penalties, where i read things like TH10's have it easier than a lower TH and that the economy will be effected now etc. etc. Admittedly I thought bad things as well at the time. But after a week things stabilized and I had watched this interview and everything became clearer to me as to how things worked on SC's end.

In other words, the economy is fine and well. Most of you are thinking that the economy is poor because since the update players are spending their money and elixir suddenly. Things will re-stabilize in less than a week I'm sure.

If your interested in watching the video, I believe this was the interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lr4qMAPSFk

Im lvl 116 loot system update u refer to changed game...made raiding less exiciting..in good old days loot was everywhere.. Now search and search no loot to cover cost. Now that people can dump their loot on walls... searching and searching will be worse....solution...increase loot bonus for winning..not by little by alot...o and do for war too..

War loot n bonus should be higher n mines n pumps should produce double the rate they do now that would be the easy way to do it.. Because war loot n bonus can be dumped straight on walls where if mines n pumps produced double rate wen player is of line at least there would be a decent amount that attacker could steal..n yeah attacker can just dump it on walls to but i still think it would help

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Originally Posted by Hardwire

For all those posting ideas about ways to correct or fix what they feel is a poor economy, I would like to enlighten all of you. I watched an interview on YouTube with a SC developer and I'm almost positive that he stated that they use a simulator to be able to see the effects of any changes they wish to implement to the game before they release the update to "us" the players.

I remember the onslaught of hate dropped on SC when they implemented the TH6-TH10 looting penalties, where i read things like TH10's have it easier than a lower TH and that the economy will be effected now etc. etc. Admittedly I thought bad things as well at the time. But after a week things stabilized and I had watched this interview and everything became clearer to me as to how things worked on SC's end.

In other words, the economy is fine and well. Most of you are thinking that the economy is poor because since the update players are spending their money and elixir suddenly. Things will re-stabilize in less than a week I'm sure.

If your interested in watching the video, I believe this was the interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lr4qMAPSFk

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So tell us what mr. Know it all. How to farm 8 million elixir for an upgrade today? It was able to be done before the update. It's been a week since the update and i'l tell you the first day after the update was better than a week gone by, today in overall loot.
99.9% of clashers dont click on shop and buy 8 million elixir. And that's not the answer using gems as a solution.
What army will you use that is cheaper than barch? Do you see how low this game has turned into.?
Even the cheapest army of barbs and archers are breaking even on elixir spent to raid. About a million profit after 2 hours boosting barracks. That is my data. (80K army, 80k loot, few thousand win loot profit.)
And if you and your fake data of Supercell knowledge is saying you should rely on abandon bases for that purple elixir, this game has just turned to complete ♥♥♥♥.
Realize it? It's the truth.

I still need your answer on how to "attack" for 8 million purple elixir profit in one day? By today.
Your army, your data, your 1 to 99% ratio look at me I'm not complaining I got more loot than you answer.

I used to buy gems to boost barracks. Not anymore. Spend over 20 minutes nexting through bases with 50k or less.

Tried several different leagues. Getting fed up and am going to take a break from farming until something is done.

I posted a thread about understanding the loot problem.

Point 1: Consumption bigger than production
It is no rocket science. The production of resources is extremely low compared to consumption of resources.
SC can simulate over and over again, but eventually they end with the same result: shortage on resources.

Increasing resource production, number of resource buildings, or level of resource buildings will end with the same result. This is not a long term solution.

Point 2: Pyramid effect
To feed one player, you need 10 more players. To feed those 10 players, you will need 100 more players. And so on.
It does not matter how much gold SC puts into the game, the result is the same. Too less loot.

Point 3: Player activity
The loot-system is based on production of resources and inactivity of players. If only 20% of the player base is active then there would be enough resources available to loot. However, because the game is running quite well, the activity of players is a lot higher. The balance between active and inactive players is not good, thus this results into no loot.

Point 4: Resources getting lost
The production of resources is very low compared to the consumption. But there is something more.
Resources are removed from the game.
- We pay gold for attacking, we get league reward for return. On higher levels we rarely break even on it. And of course, you gain resources from the attack, but on global scale, there is now less loot available. Resources are transferred between the players.
- We spend elixer for troops, losing it. The enemy get a small portion in return. Also this does not break even.
- Excessive resources are lost. If you have a full gold storage and you continue to raid for elixer, then all gold gained from the attack, including league bonus is lost.

Conclusion
The economy was already bad a few months ago, because the players notice the lack of lootable targets. Now it starts to really hurt the game, because many players keep searching and spending resources, hoping to find a target which could pay off. On global scale, consumption/spending of resources increased, while the production of resources remains the same.

Solution
Resources gained from external source, player skill and activity.
Redo the complete league and trophy system.

Nice post. ^

To be honest dead bases should not drive the economy of the game. But it does.. And when they're not around it hurts the players.

I would rather train a propper army taking a couple hours to build knowing that there is a significant loot payout for three starring an enemy.

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Originally Posted by Spanked

Nice post. ^

To be honest dead bases should not drive the economy of the game. But it does.. And when they're not around it hurts the players.

I would rather train a propper army taking a couple hours to build knowing that there is a significant loot payout for three starring an enemy.

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Thank you.

My original idea was to make the resource gain from attacks by trophy count.
(trophy count * 40) * (percentage of destruction / 100) * (1 + stars)

This will indeed significant pay out when you 3-star a base.

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Originally Posted by Hardwire

For all those posting ideas about ways to correct or fix what they feel is a poor economy, I would like to enlighten all of you. I watched an interview on YouTube with a SC developer and I'm almost positive that he stated that they use a simulator to be able to see the effects of any changes they wish to implement to the game before they release the update to "us" the players.

I remember the onslaught of hate dropped on SC when they implemented the TH6-TH10 looting penalties, where i read things like TH10's have it easier than a lower TH and that the economy will be effected now etc. etc. Admittedly I thought bad things as well at the time. But after a week things stabilized and I had watched this interview and everything became clearer to me as to how things worked on SC's end.

In other words, the economy is fine and well. Most of you are thinking that the economy is poor because since the update players are spending their money and elixir suddenly. Things will re-stabilize in less than a week I'm sure.

If your interested in watching the video, I believe this was the interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lr4qMAPSFk

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First of all - after each update in the past the loot was only bad for 2 to 4 days, not a week. This is the longest amount of time the loot has been way off and not worth going for.

You mention it will be fine in a week - guess what - it has been over a week already and it still is terrible. Based on my own experience and the experience of everyone I have talked to - its the worst it has ever been.

I do think it will eventually get better. But not for several more weeks depending on how far people want to grow their walls before they are ready to go back to normal saving for troop upgrades and defensive upgrades. I was halfway done with my walls going to lvl 7 when the upgrade came out. TH9 with 250 walls. I estimate I will be done with my walls to 7 around mid October. So long because I am finding basically nothing on raids so I can only do about 2 walls a day.

But what about people that just started their walls? they will take longer. Some people may want to go more than 1 level. They will take very much longer still.

Before the update - a TH9 in my clan was maxed in elixir and was working on all lvl 9 walls. He now has 0 elixir and doing level 9 will take him much much longer to get out of this cycle.

Super Cell really messed this up this time. Their bean counters behind the scenes dropped the ball and did not properly account for what is happening. The real question is will people stick it out long enough to reach the other side of the tunnel? or will Super Cell lose a ton of business?

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Originally Posted by metroickha

Thank you.

My original idea was to make the resource gain from attacks by trophy count.
(trophy count * 40) * (percentage of destruction / 100) * (1 + stars)

This will indeed significant pay out when you 3-star a base.

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Let's do some math shall we?

3200 * 40 =128 000

*(100/100)=128 000

*(1+3Stars) = is more than Half a million (512 000) for a three star in champs, that is HUGE. and yes 3 stars are rare but they are indeed possible, if people are able to get to champs and find three starrable bases they would advance at too quickly a pace. I do love your idea but Supercell would need to do some careful balancing with the numbers!

P.s If my math is wrong (which it very well could be I'm dumb:rolleyes:) feel free to correct it :)