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I for one hate the at troops can be lured far from the castle and be killed. Troops should stay within their radius. While this idea may not benefit those with their castles all the way on the outskirts of their village it would be useful for others such as farmers.
Please leave feedback on how you feel on weather Supercell should add this or not
Heres a beaver face now .,,.
I don't like this idea. The opposition wastes troops on killing them and sometimes (if your clan castle is well placed) they can't lure them out. Just replace your cc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savon2015
it would make it inpossible to loot a village if you have wizards in them. they destroy giants and hogs way too easily.
air raids or gowpie attactsQuote:
Originally Posted by skleffer
This is suppose to help defenses which is why i suggested it not so the enemy plyaers can use less troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torres126
I agree with the OP. Clan castle troops should remain in their radius similar to heros and their radius. Although everyone above th8 knows how to lure most troop combos the problem is the luring out itself. On attacks wizards archers barbs etc cannot jump walls but on defense they just hop over them and end up in a corner chasing down a random barb or archer only to be destroyed by a swarm of them when they all regroup. This seems extremly naive from a battle perspective and lacks game AI. The troops should stay in their radius and the game should reward those who plan out good cc placement and troop combos and not just let them get walloped because someone sent in a hog in the cc radius and then released a barb at the corner of a village. This problem affects mostly TH8s as their limited number of walls will surely allow the CC radius to be triggered rather quickly. Although some wizards and archers are good defensive CC troops they are all going to be lured and killed so i agree with keeping them around the building which the come out of so they can protect it the way they should similar to a hero protecting its radius.
Seems too OP to me
If you center the clan castle this shouldnt matter. It also means once the attackers trooops leave the circle your Clan Castle troops are just gonna stand there which makes them useless. Personally I think this idea is useless. I get doing it with the king and queen but clan castles need to defend the whole base.
defence become too strong. imagine dragon or hound staying in radius and all troops trying to kill it while beaten by defences
The cc troops are already useless when they get lured because they are dead meat. So i do not see what they are actually protecting except that single attacking troop as it lures all of them out. You say they will just stand around but isnt that the point? To stand around where they were intended on defending? Perhaps you are right but maybe they should be lured out at the rate that they are each killed instead of the entire castle emptying out to chase down 1 attacking barb?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zabs
again saying.. try killing a lava hound when it stays within circle ( people put castle within defence circle so that the cant b lured out.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vatchio
all ur army will b wasted on killing a lava hound within base while taking hits from all defences.
put castle in such a way that its circle is within outer defences. now they cant b lured out easily. time will b wasted
I do agree that defense becomes too strong but isnt that the point of a good positioned cc and troop combo? all troops can all be killed one way or another the question is what happens when 20-25-30 troop combo start defending on top of the defenses firing at you. I guess the same result as not luring the cc?Quote:
Originally Posted by AneelTariq
making a balance is point. if defence becomes too strong with just a lava hound in center that how could u win? a high level lava hound cant b killed in center of base from any oponent troopQuote:
Originally Posted by Vatchio
How can a lava hound inflict so much damage as to prohibitively ruin an attack? Perhaps im a bit novice being a th8 not having lavas yet but i thought a lava has high hitpoints yet very low damage per second? I guess what you are trying to say is that it will take the attacker a long time to destroy it whilst being attacked by defensive buildings. Sounds like a very smart cc troop if you have 30 slots available and someone to donate them to you. I totally understand your point about defenses getting too strong and im not arguing the validity of your point but truth is it will only change the luring aspect of the attack which will obviously affect the outcome of the battle but i doubt in the manner in which you are describing as it will technically only add a high hit point defensive building target in the middle of a base versus a corner where it is martyred.Quote:
Originally Posted by AneelTariq
Best joke ever
When they made Heros un-lureable it changed the whole game and caused several problems for several types of raids.... They advert attention and cause your army to do silly things....A CC full of witches and Wizards and all the other major defenses would wipe out a max GoWiPe in secs if they made it to the CCs range in the center with the troops out and about advert troops attention whilst they are getting creamed by infernos xbows archer towers Teslas and all other defenses this is just too much and would absolutely RUIN the game NO NO NO NO no.
That would be OP honestly.
Just a quick question? I dont know if infact your gowipe would be wiped out but i have done all dragon rages with full wizards archers or a dragon in the cc and still manage to three star the base without luring the cc. So... Never mind. Just seems like people who are afraid of the change it would cause their game.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnerOfInsomniacMob
There is a problem with this-- If you had, say, a barbarian in your cc, your attacker could snipe it. Also, well placed ccs would make raiding near impossible on some bases. Something like this might be better: the cc troop trigger radius is still the same, however, troops can only go as far out as the red area(the place where the attacker cannot place their troops because it is too close to a building) and/or as far as your cc radius. Things like lone builders huts in the corner would not be a place that the cc troops could go if there is non-white space or cc radius in between them. This would make luring tougher, but it wouldn't make it impossible to raid the whole base. That's just mah idea.
Love the idea!Quote:
Originally Posted by BieberXBeliever
Drags are no normally affected by a cc like GoWiPe is and for someone who uses GoWiPe or GoWiwi I have seen a few level 5 wiz on MULTIPLE occasions take a max golem down in 3-7 secs like they weren't even there. You obviously have no real experience vs a smart base and strong cc troops.... Must be a TH8 or less...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vatchio
Hilarious! Clearly the strong cc troops or base design wouldn't make a difference to your luring techiques as you would destroy lev5 wizards with your barbarians swarm? I doubt you will be luring it with your golem or pekka wiz or witch. Did i mention my TH level or experience? With that comment i am starting to suspect your experience level though.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnerOfInsomniacMob
This man is right. CC troops are already tough enough as they are. Every single time I forget to lure out the enemy's CC troops, I end up losing because of it. Besides, it takes time and troops to lure them out. If we could not lure out CC troops, there would not be enough time or troops to ever win an attack!Quote:
Originally Posted by AneelTariq
+1, great solution :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BieberXBeliever
Like.
The clan castle radius should be setable. Short, medium long, infinite.
Required counter-balance: Attacker can immediately and easily (in the 30s get ready time) see the castle troops and its radius, by clicking on the clan castle.
did I see poll somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Savon2015
I really don't like this idea, I mean, they've already made the heroes unable to be lured to a corner, so plz don't do it to cc troops too!
imagine a 25 capacity cc that contains 25 lvl 5 archers...guess what, 500dps ..how can you deal with that?
think of the effect before posting ideas..thanks
Idea isn't likely to affect barch/gibarch raiding. It would have a significant impact on wars where hogs are more widely used, and similarly would have a massive impact on any air raids - particularly loons that won't target def troops. I'm going to sit a little way into the "no" camp as I think it messes with the balance too much in favour of the defender in war particularly on certain strategies. That in turn reduces the variety of attacking strategies which would be a bad thing imo... who knows perhaps it would actually be balanced in other ways.
Absolutely not. Its fine as is. Attackers should have a slight advantage with proper planning and execution, otherwise no one would ever get loot in raids.
That might be better than keeping it specifically to cc radius, but the end goal can still be averted by simply spacing out your outer building structures so that there are breaks in the white line space, forcing the cc troops to limit themselves to the next inner "red wall" area. Basically think moat bases, but the moat is a one line space between the outermost buildings and the walls, where all the defenses are still held behind and the cc troops won't leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by BieberXBeliever
Clan castle troops are not supposed to be the be-all, end-all form of defense at higher levels, which is exactly where this would become incredibly OP. If a player spends the necessary troops to get 100% of them out, and then drops more to bring them to the corner of the map, that's still a defensive tactic that forces the player to use some of his offense taking care of troops that are separate from the base itself.
I personally stick 3 barbs, 15 archers, and 3 wizards in my cc. It takes proper raiders--who know to lure first--a considerable amount of time and troops to get all 30 of my troop housing space out of the castle and lured away. If they make the mistake of pulling out all the barbs and archers, but maybe miss a wizard or two at the end, and send in their defense-targeting troops in packs, that's still the end of their raid unless they start casting expensive spells to try and counter their misstep.
Heroes were better to use in the way they did b/c their altars take up space on your base layout while having like 100 HP, plus everyone has the same type of troop associated with the altars--either a BK or an AQ. There is just too many factors that go into what could be stocked in the clan castle that would immediately make the base unraidable.
with the heros not being lured i was all for that, but not this. its already difficult enough to make a decent attack with smarter kings and queens. do your really want to deal with 30 or 35 cc troops camping out in the middle of the base when your attacking? it would not end well
Decent Idea but please use search button, It has been suggested before
Then if you are complaining about offensive troops not hoping walls (jump spell is for that) then the defending troops shouldn't be allowed to hop walls if they stay in the radius. This is way to OP. You would lose every single battle. How many troops would be rendered useless? Giants, hogs for example. A well placed cc and towers can keep a person busy for 1 minute or more trying to lure and kill cc troops. Or you go all out and GOWIWI or GOWIPE or all lvl4 dragons and hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vatchio
then super cell would increase cc radius to whole base. its perfectly fine then.
Nooooo. That would slaughter all hog, balloon, and giant raids. And other raids too. So no.
This does more harm than good I believe. The way the cc is set up is so they can be lured and killed but the attacking player gives up time in his attack to do so. You realize it is a strategy game right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Savon2015
If cc reinforcement troops stayed in radius of cc then attacking players will be met with greater opposition when trying to get to the TH and no doubt inferno towers and Heroes are probably near the TH as well. Furthermore, most attacking troops will probably have been killed off before having to deal with cc reinforcement troops and a lot of troops used in the game don't even defend themselves against cc reinforcements (golems, giants for example).
this is just too over powered
pls no