Penalties for people leaving clan during Clan Wars

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Originally Posted by Wintermelon43

Not good ideas, loot penelty is just rude, and not allowing you to leave will make problems happen, people will start another war soomn after, and people that want to leave cant leave.....

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How can a loot penalty be rude?
Not only are you hampering your own chance of getting loot but also the entire clan's chances. The loyal members in a clan, that fights for even a single star. Should not be forced to drag those that didn’t bother making a conscience effort at all. As the excuses made for those that couldn't stay for a little more then 24 hours to attack are all crummy reasons. As more then 90% of people will say the clan is:

1. Weak
   
2. Boring
   
3. Inactive

But the opposing clan often has the same problem...

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Originally Posted by KLHF

But the opposing clan often has the same problem...

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Not necessarily, some clans are hit way harder than others. Half of our clan mates(aka hoppers) left after war started. Which meant that as much as 20 people did no attack. In contrast to the opposing clan who only lost anywhere from 2- 4 people.

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Originally Posted by Leotidus

Everybody has had problems with people leaving the clan during clan wars. The cooldown timer just isnt enough to deter people leaving the clan during wars which puts the clan at a big disadvantage. Here are some idea's to impose on people that choose to leave the clan during clan wars.

1. Impose a loot penalty for 72 hours. i.e. 20% penalty on all raids during the 72 hour period.

2. Make the individual unable to join another clan for 72 hours

3. Make the leave button unavailable during war.

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OMG this just happened to me, and when people leave the first thing that comes to my mind is a huge desire to punch them to death cuz I know that a war cool down is not enough since it's a fact that they don't care about wars, so that doesn't affect them at all. Your measurements are much better than Supercell's and I really wish they listen to you somehow because there many a**holes out there messing clans up. My clan has a nice wins/losses war record of 22/1 and that one was because someone left and we lost by 1 star, so they did put the clan in disadvantage.

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Originally Posted by Leotidus

Everybody has had problems with people leaving the clan during clan wars. The cooldown timer just isnt enough to deter people leaving the clan during wars which puts the clan at a big disadvantage. Here are some idea's to impose on people that choose to leave the clan during clan wars.

1. Impose a loot penalty for 72 hours. i.e. 20% penalty on all raids during the 72 hour period.

2. Make the individual unable to join another clan for 72 hours

3. Make the leave button unavailable during war.

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Okay my clan does war all the time, and they start war as soon as one ends.

So with number one if I want to leave i get a loot penalty on my raids. This isn't fair, if I leave at all even if it is for a legimate reason, I get a loot penalty. This hurts especially if I'm saving up to build something expensive.

With number 2, I can't join another clan if I leave so I'm stuck clan less because I left for whatever legimate reason. Again this isn't fair.

With number 3, this would trap me in my clan forever, I would never be able to leave. This is also a way for leaders to purposely trap people in a clan.

I think a better idea would be to do these penalties for repeat offenders except disabling leave option not just anybody who happened to leave during war. For example if they leave during 3 consecutive wars that they are in they get a 10 % loot penalty on their raids, and this increases by 10 % until it hits 50% the more clans they leave while they are in war. This lasts for a week.
Also during the week with the loot penaltys they won't be able to join a clan. No one will know this, if someone invites them it will just say players inbox is full or players can still send an invite but the player can't see it until their penalties is over.

Also as for friendly hoppers who want to visit friends, there can be a function where it says no penalty and the leader can select it if the friendly hopper wants to visit someone during war. Of course the friendly hopper would have to ask the leader first, but this will help. The leader can even select certian (not all) cos that can enable this for others (not themselves)to help out if their not online when someone asks to have the no penalty. However to avoid people taking advantage of this if someone has left during 3 consecutive wars with this enabled and never came back to that clan, this will not be able to be enabled for them. This wont be shown, and if a person tries to enable it, their village would just disappear from the clan list for a while (20 minutes) unless the player posts in clan chat.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

Okay my clan does war all the time, and they start war as soon as one ends.

So with number one if I want to leave i get a loot penalty on my raids. This isn't fair, if I leave at all even if it is for a legimate reason, I get a loot penalty. This hurts especially if I'm saving up to build something expensive.

With number 2, I can't join another clan if I leave so I'm stuck clan less because I left for whatever legimate reason. Again this isn't fair.

With number 3, this would trap me in my clan forever, I would never be able to leave. This is also a way for leaders to purposely trap people in a clan.

I think a better idea would be to do these penalties for repeat offenders except disabling leave option not just anybody who happened to leave during war. For example if they leave during 3 consecutive wars that they are in they get a 10 % loot penalty on their raids, and this increases by 10 % until it hits 50% the more clans they leave while they are in war. This lasts for a week.
Also during the week with the loot penaltys they won't be able to join a clan. No one will know this, if someone invites them it will just say players inbox is full or players can still send an invite but the player can't see it until their penalties is over.

Also as for friendly hoppers who want to visit friends, there can be a function where it says no penalty and the leader can select it if the friendly hopper wants to visit someone during war. Of course the friendly hopper would have to ask the leader first, but this will help. The leader can even select certian (not all) cos that can enable this for others (not themselves)to help out if their not online when someone asks to have the no penalty. However to avoid people taking advantage of this if someone has left during 3 consecutive wars with this enabled and never came back to that clan, this will not be able to be enabled for them. This wont be shown, and if a person tries to enable it, their village would just disappear from the clan list for a while (20 minutes) unless the player posts in clan chat.

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Read my first post on why 1 and 3 are legitimate reasons and why I believe your 1st and 3rd argument is flawed.

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Originally Posted by UnholyRoc2

The problem with number 2 is that it will be a huge hassle when a new clan war starts as the entire system would be thrown off. For example, when a member who could supposedly attack couldn’t, as a result of leaving war. The 40 vs. 40 matching system will turn into a 35 vs. 35, preventing those who wanted to attack and making matters difficult and confusing.

On the other hand 1 and 3 are perfectally acceptable(maybe even a 30% loot reduction since the new Halloween update), as I feel they are more than fair.The chance of joining a clan right when they start war are either slim to none and are far more likely to be hoppers, who shouldn’t have even hopped in the first place.Even then those that did accidently stay, should try to enjoy being in war with a clan they might not even like. As the new loot bonus for war has been improved drastically, and made it more than profitable, as it is guaranteed that there won’t be loss unless you are extremely unlucky. If all else fails, the clan mate who joined a clan they didn't like. Can simply asked to be kicked right after they attack, which means that they’ll only have to stay for a little more than 1 day. If he/she polite and doesn’t do anything that will causes displeasure, I believe most people will accede to his/her request.

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Let me tell you why I believe this arguements is flawed.
The loot penalty still isn't fair, clans that always do war have a higher chance of people joining right before war and even if there was a 1% chance that, that would happen, it still wouldn't be fair to the players who joined right before war.
Increased loot bonus doesn't matter, if someone wants to leave, they should be able to leave without interference. If their clan wins, the player loses their loot bonus. This is fair.

As for the third option I can see some clans abusing the no leave button during war. Lets say a clan has real good, high level, high town hall players in the clan. So they continuously start war and they asked to be kicked but no one will kick them since their high level, experienced players.

So I stand by my first statement.

However, I'll agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Zannan

Let me tell you why I believe this arguements is flawed.
The loot penalty still isn't fair, clans that always do war have a higher chance of people joining right before war and even if there was a 1% chance that, that would happen, it still wouldn't be fair to the players who joined right before war.
Increased loot bonus doesn't matter, if someone wants to leave, they should be able to leave without interference. If their clan wins, the player loses their loot bonus. This is fair.

As for the third option I can see some clans abusing the no leave button during war. Lets say a clan has real good, high level, high town hall players in the clan. So they continuously start war and they asked to be kicked but no one will kick them since their high level, experienced players.

So I stand by my first statement.

However, I'll agree to disagree.

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Although everything you stated is plausible, it still remains highly unlikely. Still I feel that that even then the reasons you listed can be a chief reason,
in why Sc won't be making any changes.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion I guess. Judgement is decided by where you sit rather then where you think. I'll just acknowledge but disagree with your opinion and you can do the same for mine.

3 &2 are awesome i totally agree best idea ever:cool::cool:

There are legitimate reasons to leave a clan at any time and I think we all just want to find a palatable way to deter the behavior that negatively impacts a clan during the war cycle. So, consider the following.

1. Implement an arbitrary war cool down period. After each war a period of [x] minutes/hours is observed before the next search can begin. This period allows members wanting to leave the opportunity to do so.

2. Allow members to leave whenever they want. You are not locked into the clan for the entire war duration just as it is today.

3. If you leave during prep, you cannot join another clan until either the war ends or you do both of your attacks.

4. At the end of the war, if you left and did not fight an additional penalty is imposed. Pick a penalty such as loot reduction or something creative. Personally, I'd like to see an icon placed next to their username for a period of time so that I can spot them without thinking.

5. Following up on #3, if you used both attacks we need to look at the results. If you tanked the attacks you get the same penalties. So we look at new stars gained in the attacks you used. If you delivered 2 or 3 new stars, you are free. If not, you get the penalties and branded.

i also think that a solid clan history would alleviate a lot of thus as it would give the clan leaders access to information needed to prevent these problem children from landing in the clan and starting this problem.