The Most Important Change this Game Needs

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Originally Posted by AThor

... is to incentivize defensive wins. Here's my reasoning:

I've always thought that the exposed TH to get a cheap shield strategy is sort of against the spirit of the game. But there's no doubt it is the best way for farmers to conserve resources. However, this means that almost every smart farmer who is holding loot is almost constantly under shield. So with most good collector raids in the back of the search queue, and most good storage raids cheaply shielded 24/7, it's no wonder why loot is scarce. The loot system isn't the problem, it is the type of base that is most ofter in the attack queue. All those raids with 50k of each are bases that are holding less than 500k of each resource in storages. For active farmers, this hardly ever happens. So, when searching for attacks, most bases coming up are loosely active players who never really save up resources, but just log on occasionally.

Now to the defensive wins part. Imagine if there was some incentive to protect the TH, and win on defense. Perhaps all traps and CC troops are rearmed after a defensive win. Or a portion of loot stolen is refunded for a win. Or maybe a league defense win bonus, like the offense win bonus. It just needs to be enough to make cheap shielding not worth it. This would mean that heavily active farmers would appear in the attack queue much more often, giving attackers plenty of good loot options that they have to work for. This means less nexting, more loot choices, but more strategizing involved on offense and defense.

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Agreed, too much loot is hiding behind easy shields.

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Originally Posted by Czar

it wont work & reason being, look at the bonuses of wins we get ??? 2k, etc starting from low trops ??? who cares about this amount ??? not a real farmer... infact most hardcore farmers wont bother to even upgrade their pumps & mines considering that the output being hardly comparable to even one raid... thus no one will really care about the cheap bonus or whatever compared to protecting their loot...

in fact SC has a tini reward for defenders... Unbreakable... you get gems for certain amount of wins.,. go check how many have it done..

In fact I am a th10 with all max besides walls... but in that achievement I have one star...

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I'm not saying the loot bonus should be the same as offensive win bonus. It would need to be much more, in addition to one or more of the ideas I and others have mentioned. It needs to be significant enough a reward so that you can gain more than you lose with a series of good defenses.

And Nio, I do the same thing. I leave TH out while pushing also. 12 hr shield for a loss of less than 12 trophies is worth it. Plus it opens up some great revenges for 40+ easy trophies.

When I leave my TH in overnight, I usually win 6+ defenses, but each one successively depletes my traps, XBows, infernos, and cc troops until my base is a shell, and gets cleaned out. But in the meantime, each loss takes a small chunk of resources, and by the time you get a shield, you have lost a ton. It is horrible. Little reward for having a solid defense.

Great idea, this would help the game dramatically. I really like the auto re-arm if you win as well as the loot bonus.

This could help the game in many ways and would be a lot of fun.

I have had my TH outside my base the entire time playing this game up until I hit TH10.

Only time I would guard it was when I was pushing with my clan which we do not do very often.

I don't think this is the most important change the game needs, but, it is certainly a great idea.

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Originally Posted by snowrules

I would also add that the someone "NEXT" over your base you get the associated cost. So if a TH10 get paired up with me and decided to use the next option I get the 1000 gold instead of the gold disappearing from the game.

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I love this idea, but unfortunately I don't think it is realistic because you'd then likely have fully maxed TH10's going down to bronze to collect the nexting loot. It's an out-of-the box idea for sure - haven't seen anything along those lines before...

I farm and dont protect my town hall, but that's only because there's more important things I prefer to protect. I don't lose or gain enough trophies to worry about anything other than being in gold 1 or crystal 3. The issue is a chicken/egg, what came first the farmer or the sniper. snipers snipe, get their trophies and move up to gain the gems associated with leagues and achievements, invariably being pointless to revenge or attack in crystal due to lower levels and loot penalties. I wouldn't mind not getting a shield just because someone fires a few arrows at my TH, but would still farm. BUT if I don't get the shield I shouldn't lose the cups.....Maybe the easiest solution would be to compare what happens now

1. TH down, win, cups for attacker
2. TH down, lose, lose cups, shield for defender
3. Normal attack - 40% damage for shield for defender
4 normal attack - 50% for a win, 2* for 50+TH and 3 stars for 100%

what would happen if the TH star (and win) was ONLY given if combined with a 40% or 50% destruction? What would happen if the shield was only given to the defender if the overall damage hit a min of 40%, and if damage reaches 50% and includes the TH then the additional star (and associated cups) are lost/awarded. Ie only make the TH relevant for cups or wins or shields when it is combined with a certain level of destruction - say 40 or 50% being the shield and win %ages currently. This would substantially reduce sniping, allow people to have their TH anywhere they wanted, to get shields would need a semi serious attack at a minimum and would substantially reduce shield time. Thus increasing available bases to attack?

Might impact CW, shouldn't impact trophy hunters as far as I can see (unless they snipe), would reduce "free shields" and would probably get rid of sniping altogether....

Just a thought....

They should give each building a defense bonus/ destroy bonus

Values are different depends on your building's level and your current league, say for Town hall 8 at gold II worth maybe 10000 gold, camp worth 1000 , cannon worth 500 etc

So for each players village, there will be a total worth of bonus (sum of all bonus on your buildings)

If you destroy them in offense, you get the portion you destroyed as extra bonus

the defense side will get the portion they defensed

Improve loot + incentive to defense + incentive to go attack tough villages (higher bonus multiple maybe)

The thing is, not all farmers put their th outside just for a cheap shield. I personally only put mine outside because it is a worthless building to me while farming and i dont think is worth compromising the rest of my base for a worthless building. Also, most farmers arent stupid, so unless the reward for a successful defense would be a huuuuge bonus, we would just keep it outside anyways. No point in risking 400k for the slight chance we get 50k.

Lol i was expecting one word: LOOT

Yeah I agree. Most of my 'revenge' list are hiding behind shields.

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Originally Posted by dunloozin

what would happen if the TH star (and win) was ONLY given if combined with a 40% or 50% destruction? What would happen if the shield was only given to the defender if the overall damage hit a min of 40%, and if damage reaches 50% and includes the TH then the additional star (and associated cups) are lost/awarded. Ie only make the TH relevant for cups or wins or shields when it is combined with a certain level of destruction - say 40 or 50% being the shield and win %ages currently. This would substantially reduce sniping, allow people to have their TH anywhere they wanted, to get shields would need a semi serious attack at a minimum and would substantially reduce shield time. Thus increasing available bases to attack?

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I'd say have the TH and 30% be the minimum.

There are strategies (Valkyrie + Jump) that make a legitimate attack, can gut the core, but only hit 30%. If you haven't tried it before, its like the polar opposite to the loon snipe.

It costs more spells but you can snipe the TH pretty easy this way - but its a full out attack.


This would still have people putting there TH outside, but it would take allot more than a snipe army to hit 30%


Of course base design could adapt, changing sniping by making it still present