End Farming

Before you call me dumb and a noob, hear me out.

Farming helps no one. The people farmers attack have NO chance of winning, forcing them to go down, forcing the people they attack to go down. Meanwhile, if you farm, what's to prevent a TH 10 waiting for you in Bronze(trust me, there a quite a few). It is also demoralizing to save all that loot, say, for a hero or TH upgrade, and have it all stolen.

Oh, and most of the farmers who attack me don't use revenge, they use find a match, so don't accuse me of TH sniping. For example, while saving for TH 6, I had 700 k gold. That is about 100k possibly stolen, and if 1 gold=1 elixer, that mean 4 dragons can be sent on me. How am I supposed to defend against that?

....dumb....noob...

Mwahahhaaha

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Originally Posted by booshiboosh

....dumb....noob...

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Lol I agree what a...dumb...noob...Lol

I want a reasonably nice, helpful discussion, not insults. Point out counters to my ideas

Dumb farmers who can't make logical arguments. So, if a maxed out wrecked your base s and stole all your hard earned loot, you wouldn't complain?

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Before you call me dumb and a noob, hear me out.

Farming helps no one. The people farmers attack have NO chance of winning, forcing them to go down, forcing the people they attack to go down. Meanwhile, if you farm, what's to prevent a TH 10 waiting for you in Bronze(trust me, there a quite a few). It is also demoralizing to save all that loot, say, for a hero or TH upgrade, and have it all stolen.

Oh, and most of the farmers who attack me don't use revenge, they use find a match, so don't accuse me of TH sniping. For example, while saving for TH 6, I had 700 k gold. That is about 100k possibly stolen, and if 1 gold=1 elixer, that mean 4 dragons can be sent on me. How am I supposed to defend against that?

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Super dumb dumb dumb....:o:o:o

Anyways, there are other guys saying troops shouldn't die. Hopefully everyone can agree that that's a horrible idea. TH 2 would be taken out with 12 maxed out dragons

You guys are pretty dumb. You can't even counter my paragraph, just call this thread dumb. LOL

The loot penalty makes farming perfectly fair in my opinion, the only people who are affected negatively from it are people who have rushed the townhall. Currently it costs me 3 million gold for every wall upgrade and around 7-8 million for every defensive upgrade the only way for me to continue upgrading my base is to farm or start spending thousands of dollars on gems.

when i do farm the lowest possible target i will attack is a th8 that is one townhall level below myself due to the loot penalty ,I see no problem with this otherwise there would be no incentive to ever upgrade and become stronger for weaker players.

Right now, I am level 32 and in silver iii. A while back a level 72 attacked me. I was able to hold off his barb king, but try defending against dragons when you're a TH 5

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Originally Posted by Figjam66

The loot penalty makes farming perfectly fair in my opinion, the only people who are affected negatively from it are people who have rushed the townhall. Currently it costs me 3 million gold for every wall upgrade and around 7-8 million for every defensive upgrade the only way for me to continue upgrading my base is to farm or start spending thousands of dollars on gems.

when i do farm the lowest possible target i will attack is a th8 that is one townhall level below myself due to the loot penalty ,I see no problem with this otherwise there would be no incentive to ever upgrade and become stronger for weaker players.

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Thanks for not saying this is dumb. You do have a pretty good point

I have tried to farm in the past, but those noobs have hardly any loot:(

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

You guys are pretty dumb. You can't even counter my paragraph, just call this thread dumb. LOL

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You didn't actually make any good points for people to counter. All you did was come and complain about farming without any logical or feasible ways to improve the game/"end farming"

Here's a way to end farming:
Create a formula similar to Clan Wars based on attacking and defending strength. High scoring VS high scoring, low VS low. This also prevents Th sniping and zapping.

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Right now, I am level 32 and in silver iii. A while back a level 72 attacked me. I was able to hold off his barb king, but try defending against dragons when you're a TH 5

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What level th was he?player level isn't really that important its all based of townhall level and what troops and defences you have access to and tbh if the guy is sitting in silver league attacking lv32 players with dragons he is wasting his time. When you are new to the game and still have a "weak" base it can be very frustrating to be wiped out by higher levels but as you progress it will stop happening as much and farming will become your friend.:)

True. Now I have TH 6.(just upgraded this week)

tooo bad i am lv 58 with th 7 noob i mean lv 59 jonathan
bob from school

You realize Bronze has now almost as many TH 9s as TH 3's and 4's. Let's see here... if you can win 50k gold and elixer each.....lightning spell mortar with maxed out spell(21k), then 75 level five barbs(15k). That's 50 k gold and 14 k elixer profit, not much to high levels but just enough if saving for a big upgrade

Farming is awesome. I am in gold iii btw

Base designing doesn't help you defend against dragon raids when ur a TH 6 fool. Zap the air defense, then how do you win?

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

You realize Bronze has now almost as many TH 9s as TH 3's and 4's. Let's see here... if you can win 50k gold and elixer each.....lightning spell mortar with maxed out spell(21k), then 75 level five barbs(15k). That's 50 k gold and 14 k elixer profit, not much to high levels but just enough if saving for a big upgrade

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who needs that if you have 180 max out barbs?

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Base designing doesn't help you defend against dragon raids when ur a TH 6 fool. Zap the air defense, then how do you win?

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Gosh, i am town hall 7 idiot

That would cause a MASSIVE, and I mean massive loss. Here's another one:
TH 5 with 100 k each, drop 2 lightning on mortar(42k), then 180 maxed out barbs(27k)
Profit: 100 k gold, 31 k elixer

I was calling that guy telling me to research base design a fool srry

Solution. SPEREAD THEM ALL AROUND THE BASE NOOB. ITs fine

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Before you call me dumb and a noob, hear me out.

Farming helps no one. The people farmers attack have NO chance of winning, forcing them to go down, forcing the people they attack to go down. Meanwhile, if you farm, what's to prevent a TH 10 waiting for you in Bronze(trust me, there a quite a few). It is also demoralizing to save all that loot, say, for a hero or TH upgrade, and have it all stolen.

Oh, and most of the farmers who attack me don't use revenge, they use find a match, so don't accuse me of TH sniping. For example, while saving for TH 6, I had 700 k gold. That is about 100k possibly stolen, and if 1 gold=1 elixer, that mean 4 dragons can be sent on me. How am I supposed to defend against that?

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While saving for TH6? So you were TH5? The most a TH10 can steal from a TH5 with 700k in storages is 7000 gold/elixir.

You do realize theres a method to farming. Most of the time you win at 50% to avoid dropping low. If you see th10s in bronze its probably because their either going up or down for sub200 or going away for a while and parking their account in a league where no one stands a chance at getting their loot. It costs them way more then they'd make destroying you.

To end farming would effectively end progress in the game.

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

...Meanwhile, if you farm, what's to prevent a TH 10 waiting for you in Bronze(trust me, there a quite a few). It is also demoralizing to save all that loot, say, for a hero or TH upgrade, and have it all stolen.

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TH10s in bronze? With the loot penalty, that isn't effective. If you are TH6, with FULL storages, a TH10 would still pass on the meager loot that would be offered.

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Dumb farmers who can't make logical arguments. So, if a maxed out wrecked your base s and stole all your hard earned loot, you wouldn't complain?

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Nope. That is how you play the game.

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Right now, I am level 32 and in silver iii...

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

I have tried to farm in the past, but those noobs have hardly any loot:(

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Irony, at its finest! ♥♥♥♥!!!!!

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

To end farming would effectively end progress in the game.



TH10s in bronze? With the loot penalty, that isn't effective. If you are TH6, with FULL storages, a TH10 would still pass on the meager loot that would be offered.


Nope. That is how you play the game.



Irony, at its finest! ♥♥♥♥!!!!!

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Thank you.

To the OP:
I'm town hall 9, and I farm in gold, and I pass on 99% of town hall 7s, and 100% of town hall 6s. Your 45,000 gold/elixir is not worth it. It only just covers my expenses, and then I would have to wait for more troops to train.
Yeah, it sucks getting hit by people who are more advanced than you are. It happens to me all the time. I'm lvl 97, and my base isn't close to being maxed, and I get stomped by lvl 120+ players on a regular basis. It's just part of the game.

If supercell took out farming you'll be begging them to put it back in later when you a town hall eight. It's always smart to think ahead young one.

My God...really lol. (Sarcasam) Like really dude. Using fina match to steal/raid your blah blah K loot is consdiered farming? Well then that means taking out raidiing meaning that neds clash. If you don't steal the loot whwere do you get it? And don't say collecters becuase where do you get the loot to upgrade the collecters? LOL

I see a lot of responses, but no one actually tackling the issue.

First, you can never really end farming; people will play the game however they want to play the game.

I would agree, however, that I would like to see less farming, so the question is how do you discourage farming? Or, alternatively, encourage players to keep more trophies.

Here are some possibilities


1. Increase league bonuses.

The bigger the bonus for winning battles in higher leagues, the more inclined higher level players will be to stay there.


2. Change the Way Trophies Gained/Lost are calculated

Right now, it seems to be based almost entirely on your trophies vs. your opponent's. If it were based more on your win ratio, your town hall, and your experience level, higher level players would get very few trophies for beating lower level bases, and any player who alternates between farming and trophy pushing would find it much more inconvenient to gain their trophies back.

3. Make the loot available based on the attacker's town hall

This would encourage lower bases to attack higher ones more often, because even if they can get to less storages, there would still be more loot available. It would also make the loot penalty for going after lower town halls slightly more significant (realize that half the time you're getting pummeled though, it's because a higher level player was farming, and is now getting their trophies back).

4. More achievements/bonuses related to getting/keeping trophies

Similar to the top clans getting bonuses at the end of each season, make competitions that involve rewards for lower level clans/players.




I'd also like to point out that personally I've been in crystal since around level 65 (currently 83, TH8), and I have never had trouble getting ample resources, so I don't see why people think they need to farm.

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Before you call me dumb and a noob, hear me out.

Farming helps no one. The people farmers attack have NO chance of winning, forcing them to go down, forcing the people they attack to go down. Meanwhile, if you farm, what's to prevent a TH 10 waiting for you in Bronze(trust me, there a quite a few). It is also demoralizing to save all that loot, say, for a hero or TH upgrade, and have it all stolen.

Oh, and most of the farmers who attack me don't use revenge, they use find a match, so don't accuse me of TH sniping. For example, while saving for TH 6, I had 700 k gold. That is about 100k possibly stolen, and if 1 gold=1 elixer, that mean 4 dragons can be sent on me. How am I supposed to defend against that?

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Farming is a choice, and people do it because they enjoy it. The strategy of how to farm enough and how to save enough depends on you; this is what makes this game so special. :cool:

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Originally Posted by awesomness2016

I'd also like to point out that personally I've been in crystal since around level 65 (currently 83, TH8), and I have never had trouble getting ample resources, so I don't see why people think they need to farm.

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Define 'ample resources'. Can you farm... Excuse me... Raid for 1-2 mill gold per hour, as a TH8 in Crystal?

If not, then no... You are not getting ample resources.

Might want to play I game where no one can steal your goodies. Hay Day might more suited for you.

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

You realize Bronze has now almost as many TH 9s as TH 3's and 4's. Let's see here... if you can win 50k gold and elixer each.....lightning spell mortar with maxed out spell(21k), then 75 level five barbs(15k). That's 50 k gold and 14 k elixer profit, not much to high levels but just enough if saving for a big upgrade

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Factor in the 1000 per skip to actually find this. I'm sorry but if all I was gonna get was 50k, I (and almost any th8, 9 or 10 with brains) wouldn't waste my time. Higher th are looking at 2 mill+ upgrade costs. 50k per raid just isn't worth it.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

... wait u serious?

Hi Johnnyguy,

I understand why you feel hatred towards farmers. Your arguments are logical. But so is farming. Farming is part of a strategy that many players use. They drop down to save up for upgrades, and many times, they climb back up in trophies.

There are two other big factors that you are missing jonnguy. First, end game economy is dependent on farming. If all matches were forced to be against targets of equal strength the armies needed to get the loot would be so expensive and time consuming to build that collecting 6,000,000 gold/elixir would take a staggering time. It would functionally require people to gem, or SC would need to reduce the cost of end game upgrades to attainable levels. Wait until you get to this part of the game and you will understand. Ending farming would end the game without a huge rebalancing of the game's economy.

The second point is simply just expanding on a point that many others have already made. There is NO clear thinking TH9 or 10 that would bother attacking any TH6 or below. The loot penalty guarantees a negative investment in troops. All of the TH9-10 people who are farming you fall into two categories. 1) Trophy climbing to get back up where real loot is in which case you win because they will soon climb out of your league or 2) too young or stupid to understand that they are hurting themselves in which case you have won from a numbers standpoint. I had my TH7 alt account destroyed by an all out GoWiPe attack the other day. I laughed, smiled and revenged just a few of his collectors for more loot than he got for erasing my entire village. So who is really farming you??? Barchers. Barching uses the cheapest possible army to ensure that TH8 and some TH7 can actually yield a profit while farming. The good news for you is that Barching is extremely easy to defend against. Simply keep your collectors empty and centralize your storages. If you are unwilling to log in for 30 seconds 4 times a day to keep your storages empty you have a much bigger problem than a TH9-10 dropping to farm you. You need to worry about TH3-7 farming you, because they can get WAY WAY WAY more loot from you with just a few troops than a full Barch army from a TH8 can squeeze out of your TH6. The loot penalty ensures this.

That's why there is a major loot penalty kiddo to stop us from farming lower levels

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Right now, I am level 32 and in silver iii. A while back a level 72 attacked me. I was able to hold off his barb king, but try defending against dragons when you're a TH 5

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Why on earth would someone waste dragons on a measly town hall5 ?

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Before you call me dumb and a noob, hear me out.

Farming helps no one. The people farmers attack have NO chance of winning, forcing them to go down, forcing the people they attack to go down. Meanwhile, if you farm, what's to prevent a TH 10 waiting for you in Bronze(trust me, there a quite a few). It is also demoralizing to save all that loot, say, for a hero or TH upgrade, and have it all stolen.

Oh, and most of the farmers who attack me don't use revenge, they use find a match, so don't accuse me of TH sniping. For example, while saving for TH 6, I had 700 k gold. That is about 100k possibly stolen, and if 1 gold=1 elixer, that mean 4 dragons can be sent on me. How am I supposed to defend against that?

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There are quite a few inaccuracies here.

First of all, you claim that people who are attacked by farmers have no chance of winning. Couldn't the same be said about trophy hunters? By your logic, we should end trophy hunting, farming, and anything that makes an attacker win. But then what would be the point of the game?

You also state that there is nothing "to prevent a TH 10 waiting for you in bronze". That's true. But they won't get much out of it, due to the loot penalty. What's to say that someone of the same TH level can't three star the same base?

Your final argument is invalid for the following reasons. A TH6 could come along and take around 160k or so, so why complain about a TH7 coming along and taking your loot?

I'm sorry, but a large portion of these arguments are really poorly thought out. Out of interest, what would be your fix to this?

Also consider the effect that removing farming would have on the game. Many people enjoy farming, and they play the game by farming. Removing this from them basically forces them to play a certain way, which is far from ideal.

There are some farmers, like myself, who don't attack the lower levels, I only attack when I need to either go back down in trophies or I am done farming but usually when I am done farming I put my th back in my base and so when people attack me I get trophies. There are some people who attack farmers and lose on purpose to get them out of their league. When you get to a certain level all you can do is farm to be able to advance in the game so you dont have to spend hundrds of actual money just to get gems and upgrade evrrything. Thays how Supercell makes their money they make it almost impossible to advance in the game without spending money on gems, and i think most of us would agree that that is kinda messed up but its fair, nothing in this world is completely free. So all i have to say to you is get over it. You will lose your resources, everyone, even the top players, has been trying to save their resources and someone comes along and takes them. You will just have to live woth it, it's just a game. And yes the whole troops not dying is very stupid.

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

Define 'ample resources'. Can you farm... Excuse me... Raid for 1-2 mill gold per hour, as a TH8 in Crystal?

If not, then no... You are not getting ample resources.

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If I boost a barracks or two and maybe the barb king, absolutely.

By ample resources, I mean I always have something in my lab, and all, or all but one of my builders are always busy doing defense or major elixir upgrades, to the point where my collectors are still mostly level 8 and I'm just getting my mines maxed, about 15 levels after a lot of players have all that done.

Could my walls be higher level if I sat in gold 3 and raided with cheaper troops? Sure, but I doubt I'd have hogs and minions 4 at this point if that was my strategy. Of course everyone has their opinion, I just don't find farming to be fun or challenging.

One more idea that I think would help: include in the matching system something that takes level into account.

Oh and technically farming isn't to attack lower players for their loot its used because lower players don't usually attack the farmers and the farmers can save their resources. So whenever you farmed and you said the players below you didn't have much resources that just shows that you don't know how to farm

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Originally Posted by SkyMage1001

There are quite a few inaccuracies here.

You also state that there is nothing "to prevent a TH 10 waiting for you in bronze". That's true. But they won't get much out of it, due to the loot penalty. What's to say that someone of the same TH level can't three star the same base?

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I think that's sort of the point...that if you're getting attacked by someone who is roughly on your level, it seems fair, and you have a reasonable shot at keeping resources or gaining trophies. Against someone 30 levels higher than you though? No chance.

As has been mentioned, you don't see that many players attacking more than 1 town hall below them, not for loot anyway. The bigger issue seems to be when a player stops farming and starts to trophy up, which would have to be addressed by how trophies gained/lost are calculated.

When I first saw this thread, I thought he was joking lol.

But no don't ending farming.Period

True, true, but if everyone farmed, no one would farm, if u get what i mean

Wait, this thread is actually five stars?.?