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Besides the fact that this thread is 6 months old....Quote:
Originally Posted by awesomness2016
Why would TH9s need a better shot at going up against TH10s?
If you want more firepower to use against the max TH level, then upgrade to the max town hall level.
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Originally Posted by badfish1979
Well it was on the top page, so...
The reason seems pretty clear though. As I just said, PEKKAs don't get an upgrade at TH9, and are pretty much inferior to level 1 witches, to say nothing of level 2 (which are also available at TH9), meaning they're not really even all that useful against other TH9s, at least compared to GoWiWi or now LavaLoon.
This game, however, leans toward offense, and is generally set up so that players with max troops at any TH level can go up against low to mid level players one TH above them, and get 2 stars. This is much more feasible with lower TH levels than TH9, especially since they added level 8 teslas (to say nothing of archer tower and cannon 13). Notice TH10s got a higher level PEKKA when they added the higher tesla, but TH9s that are trying to attack TH10s got nothing other than screwed.
I believe level 4 pekkas are really only logical at th9. In th9 the only troops you can upgrade are farming troops (although some might disagree and say balloons are a war troop, and I might agree but I see them more as a powerful farming troop, it's more of just a matter of opinion) and the dark troops (which are war troops and do help in war, especially golems) but in GoWiPe, you are basically using the same army as you are at th8, only with a few more wiz. Any th8 worth his salt could three star another th8, and a th9 can easily three star most th8s with GoWiPe. If you can't, I'm sorry but you either rushed, don't practice or just suck.... so the fact that this would be too "OP" against th8s is frankly B.S, and if you are a th9 attacking a th8 then you either do it because your a wimp who can't handle people his own level, a rusher who went to th9 too soon, or you are cleaning up lower stars so you can win in war.
Now lets talk about why this isn't OP. As I said before, you are basically using the same troops in TH9 against other TH9s with GoWiPe as you are as a TH8. The only addition is golems level 3 & 4, both of which are awesome and do help a lot with attacking, but lets face it, that's only defense. We as TH9s need a boost to our offensive GoWiPe. It would be like in football having all the best defensive players but your offensive players are some of the worst in the league. In every one of my GoWiPe attacks it is my pekkas that are the failures. Level 5 wiz hold their own and are usually the life saver in an attack. My Level 2 golems fail as well, but I dont really count those considering they are almost lv3 (when they get good) and are still essentially a TH8 troop. My pekkas have consistantly buckled under the weight of defenses, especially teslas. Let's face it, lv3 pekkas were nice at TH8 but they fall short at TH9.
Now lets talk about why this is logical. When do you unlock pekkas? TH8. you upgrade them to level 3 to match your lv3 drags, thats logical, it makes sense. When do you upgrade pekkas again? It skips th9, and goes straight to TH10 where you have to upgrade them 2 times. At th10, you literally get to upgrade every troop except witches and loons, and with all that work, why make Pekkas upgradeable 2 times? It doesn't make sense! Yes, i know why it is this way, because lv5 pekkas were only added last year, and previously lv4 were as high as they went, so it only made sense back then to have it done at th10, jsut like Level 4 drags. But that changed with the Level 5 pekka. And why was the level 5 pekka added? because the lv4 pekka didnt have the strength to hold up to against th10s, they needed more, they needed better, just as th9s need better.
I am honestly not sure why SC didn't make level 4 pekkas available to th9s when they added lv5 pekkas, but I think it's time for an update. :thumbsup:XD
I don't see how much help a L4 pekka will be in attacking TH10s as a TH9 with still only 4 spells and 220 camp spaces. Inferno towers and L8 teslas can just easily turn them into fried chicken.
Ha! Well it may not be much help, but it's certainly more than no help.
with the emergence of lavaloon I don't see a reason to have lvl 4 pekkas way more strategies than just gowipe that can get u stars against a town hall 10 as a 9......but don't expect to three star a decently upgraded 10 as a 9.
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Originally Posted by chrispeterson
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It's the same reason people are arguing for stronger dragons at TH9. Yes, there are other strategies. The point is that players want a variety, where PEKKAs and dragons can be just as useful to TH9s as golems, witches, lava hounds, and balloons. Right now, they're not.
On the other side of things, there doesn't seem to be a good reason not to give them to TH9s. They certainly wouldn't be OP, but they would give you a better shot at 3 stars against other TH9s, and for any stars against a TH10 (no one ever said anything about 3 starring TH10s).
Not to mention as someone else said, it just doesn't really make sense that you unlock them at TH8 and upgrade them twice, then don't get to upgrade at all at TH9, then upgrade them twice again at TH10.
You mean Balloons, Healers, Hog Riders, Valkyries, and Witches....Quote:
Originally Posted by Murtagh
TH9 already gets 13 troop upgrades (15 if you include unlocking level 1 witches and hounds), while TH10 only gets 12. Taking one of those from TH10 and giving it to TH9 would give TH9 even more troop upgrades and TH10 less.
And as for the "problem" that TH10 gets two levels of PEKKA? Well that's the ONLY troop of which TH10 gets two levels. TH9 already gets two levels of valkyries, two levels of golems, two levels of witches, and two levels of lava hounds. If you only want one level PEKKA per TH, let's also take all the multiples levels of troops from TH9 and give them to other THs as well.
But in my opinion, troop levels are balanced the way they are. If you want TH10 toys, upgrade to TH10.
The fact remains that GoWipe at TH9 is pretty much a 2 star at best attack, while there are several armies that are more reliable, average better percentages, and have a much better shot at 3 starring. PEKKA 4 isn't really a TH10 toy either, it's just a stepping stone to the real TH10 toy.
I do get the point about the upgrades, though it would be better to consider how long they take and the cost, not just how many there are. Regardless of that though, you spend way more in gold than e at TH9 even without walls, and, gold, DE troops and hero upgrades are much more limiting factors if you're trying to max a base than an added elixir upgrade would be.
And there's only 2 troops TH9s can double upgrade: golems and valks.
There's also 2 troops TH8s can double upgrade: minions and hogs.
It might be feasible to give TH7 minions 3. Hogs 3 would be too OP though. It might also be feasible to give T7s valks 1, though valks 2 might be OP, and valks 3 would probably be too much for TH8. Golems 3 at TH8 probably wouldn't make a huge difference either.
As an "outside observer" (I'm only TH8), all I can evaluate are the various points of view I see expressed in the forum. The overwhelming consensus I seem to be getting is that air attacks have an edge on ground attacks, at least currently. Lavaloonion was already considered stronger than any ground attack, before they made level 13 cannons available.Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
So it seems to me like a buff to ground attacks is due. Yes, the game shifts back and forth, so air attacks will rule for a season, then ground attacks.
Anyway, it seems to me like giving level 4 pekkas to TH9, from a game balance perspective, is a good move. It wouldn't be OP. It would add variety.
But, badfish brings up a good point. It seems like there is a reasonable balance in the amount of research (number of upgrades, cumulative time) at both TH levels. According to the wiki:
http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Cumulative_Costs
TH9 has a total of 155 days of upgrades, versus 215 days for TH10. However, if you only look at spells, then it's 143 days at TH9, versus 158 days for TH10.
If you give the level 4 upgrade to TH9, then the troop research time at TH9 goes up to 157 days, versus only 144 for TH10.
TH8 is already very heavy on research time, so moving upgrades down to TH8 to compensate is a non-starter. Can't be done.
Which means, the only way you can move pekka 4 down to TH9 is if you add more troop research at TH10. In other words, once they release a new troop at TH10, with upgrades, or they add new levels to existing troops, then you can talk about moving pekka 4 down to TH9.
Or that's my opinion anyway.