New way to upgrade heroes - best idea ever

Hey guys, what's up?

I know we all share the same feeling when it comes to upgrading our heroes. Thoughts like "man, do I really have to wait 7 days for my hero to finish upgrading?", "how am I gonna farm without my hero?" or even "how am I gonna have a full powered attack without my hero during war? are pretty common between all the players. So I came up with a solution that not only will be AWESOME to the game and bennefit all of us, but will be pretty lucrative to SC as well. Here it is:

What if there was a way to use our heroes during the upgrade? But not only use them... What if our attacks had direct influence upon our heroes' level? Let me explain. Let's use a level 5 Barbarian King for our example. First, we pay for the upgrade to level 6 (22500 Dark elixir). Then, we will unlock the possibility to upgrade him, by gaining percentage points during battle! Let's say a Barbarian King needs 6000 experience points to reach level 6. Then, when we do 78% on a base, he would gain 78 points, and by the time he reaches 6000, he would become level 6. The amount of experience would be calculated just like the loot penaly system. So If you do 100% in a Town Hall that's 2 levels below you, you will only get 50 points (and not 100).

The rules for this new idea are:

- Your hero will ONLY gain experience if he's been deployed.
- If both of your heroes are under upgrade and both are deployed, they will share the total amount of experience points you gained in that attack.
- Your hero will gain double points with each % he accomplished (example: if you did 100% of the base, and 20% of that was done by your hero, he would gain 140 points)

I put together this table above to show how it would work. I used the Barbarian King as an example, but the experience required for both heroes are the same:

Level	Damage per Second	Damage per Hit	DPS in Ability	Hitpoints	Regen Time	Ability Level	Training Cost http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...rk_elixir.webp	Experience Required	Town Hall Level Required
1	120	144	N/A	1,700	30m	N/A.	10,000	None	7
2	122	146.4	N/A	1,742	32m	N/A	12,500	1200	7
3	124	148.8	N/A	1,786	34m	N/A	15,000	2400	7
4	127	152.4	N/A	1,830	36m	N/A	17,500	3600	7
5	129	154.8		1,876	38m	1	20,000	4800	7
6	132	158.4		1,923	40m	1	22,500	6000	8
7	135	162		1,971	42m	1	25,000	7200	8
8	137	164.4		2,020	44m	1	30,000	8400	8
9	140	168		2,071	46m	1	35,000	9600	8
10	143	171.6		2,123	48m	2	40,000	10800	8
11	146	175.2		2,176	50m	2	45,000	12000	9
12	149	178.8		2,230	52m	2	50,000	13200	9
13	152	182.4		2,286	54m	2	55,000	14400	9
14	155	186		2,343	56m	2	60,000	15600	9
15	158	189.6		2,402	58m	3	65,000	16800	9
16	161	193.2		2,462	1h	3	70,000	16800	9
17	164	196.8		2,523	1h 2m	3	75,000	16800	9
18	168	201.6		2,586	1h 4m	3	80,000	16800	9
19	171	205.2		2,651	1h 6m	3	85,000	16800	9
20	174	208.8		2,717	1h 8m	4	90,000	16800	9
21	178	213.6		2,785	1h 10m	4	95,000	16800	9
22	181	217.2		2,855	1h 12m	4	100,000	16800	9
23	185	222		2,926	1h 14m	4	105,000	16800	9
24	189	226.8		2,999	1h 16m	4	110,000	16800	9
25	193	231.6		3,074	1h 18m	5	115,000	16800	9
26	196	235.2		3,151	1h 20m	5	120,000	16800	9
27	200	240		3,230	1h 22m	5	125,000	16800	9
28	204	244.8		3,311	1h 24m	5	130,000	16800	9
29	208	249.6		3,394	1h 26m	5	135,000	16800	9
30	213	255.6		3,478	1h 28m	6	140,000	16800	9
31	217	260.4		3,565	1h 30m	6	145,000	16800	10
32	221	265.2		3,655	1h 32m	6	150,000	16800	10
33	226	271.2		3,746	1h 34m	6	155,000	16800	10
34	230	276		3,840	1h 36m	6	160,000	16800	10
35	235	282		3,936	1h 38m	7	165,000	16800	10
36	239	286.8		4,034	1h 40m	7	170,000	16800	10
37	244	292.8		4,135	1h 42m	7	175,000	16800	10
38	249	298.8		4,238	1h 44m	7	180,000	16800	10
39	254	304.8		4,344	1h 46m	7	185,000	16800	10
40	259	310.8		4,453	1h 48m	8	190,000	16800	10

And here we have the loot penalty system:

Town Hall Level Difference	Percentage of Loot Available
0	100%
1	90%
2	50%
3	25%
4 or more	5%

Wouldn't SC lose money?

No! We could still have the option to buy experience with gems, so it wouldn't change that. But the players will have a tendency to boost the heroes even more, which will increase SC's profit!

So, What's next?

Guys, please, this is a GREAT idea for the game, and I'm counting on you to bump this thread and show it to SC. Please post your feedback here. What are your thoughts on the numbers I put on the table? Your opinion is very important!

See ya, and clash on!

Well, that would mean adding another XP bar somewhere, good idea, but running out of room on smaller screens really. Unless of course you put the bar above the BK base. Otherwise, it is a good idea. Would benifit a full war attack. The whole point to the seperate bases was to make sure that our bases were at their stongest, why not our CW attacks also.

This is actually a really cool idea.

I'd say to not make it fully dependent on destroying the TH, just because
a) High-level attacks may not get the TH
b) Farming bases.

Perhaps each percentage of damage he deals (killing stroke to building) counts for that much xp.

Some ideas

A. Make it so every building he destroys, he gets the buildings XP in form of the HTK. (hits to kill)
B. Farmers will hate this.
C. I like how SEE will get profit. (thats right, SC is now SEE)

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Originally Posted by cnascime

Hey guys, what's up?

I know we all share the same feeling when it comes to upgrading our heroes. Thoughts like "man, do I really have to wait 7 days for my hero to finish upgrading?", "how am I gonna farm without my hero?" or even "how am I gonna have a full powered attack without my hero during war? are pretty common between all the players. So I came up with a solution that not only will be AWESOME to the game and bennefit all of us, but will be pretty lucrative to SC as well. Here it is:

What if there was a way to use our heroes during the upgrade? But not only use them... What if our attacks had direct influence upon our heroes' level? Let me explain. Lets use a level 5 Barbarian King for our example. First, we pay for the upgrade to level 6 (22500 Dark elixir). Then, we will unlock the possibility to upgrade him, by destroying town halls during battle! Lets say a Barbarian King needs 600 experience points to reach level 6. Then, when we win a battle, he would gain 6xp, and by the time he reaches 600, he would become level 6. The amount of experience would vary based on the opponent's town hall, for example, if it was a town hall 7, he would gain 7xp, if it was a town hall 8, he would gain 8xp, and so on. He could even get the double XP if he himself destroyed the town hall!

Wouldn't SC lose money?

No! We could still have the option to buy experience to the heroes, so it wouldn't change that. But the players will have a tendency to boost the heroes even more, which will increase SC's profit!

So, What's next?

Guys, please, this is a GREAT idea for the game, and I'm counting on you to bump this thread and show it to SC. If this post gets popular, I'm gonna post a table based upon the experience needed to level up for each hero, so that we could have a more solid idea.

See ya!

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Then the only stuff we can upgrade with dark elixer is troops

Really cool ideas, guys! It would put the heroes in a whole new level in this game! As said above, the heroes could get experience based on how many stars you got from battle, and the bonus could come from the buildings he destroyed himself!

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Originally Posted by Jackster2336

Then the only stuff we can upgrade with dark elixer is troops

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Not really. My idea is that we still spend dark elixir to upgrade the heroes.

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Originally Posted by Vikings09876

Well, that would mean adding another XP bar somewhere, good idea, but running out of room on smaller screens really. Unless of course you put the bar above the BK base. Otherwise, it is a good idea. Would benifit a full war attack. The whole point to the seperate bases was to make sure that our bases were at their stongest, why not our CW attacks also.

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Exactly! They could put the xp bar above the hero's base.

Pretty good idea. I mean gaining levels by using dark elixir is like gaining levels my eating something. Makes a lot more sense with xp

Funny how many people have read this and interpreted the idea as not requiring dark elixir anymore

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Originally Posted by Figjam66

Funny how many people have read this and interpreted the idea as not requiring dark elixir anymore

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Actually you still use DE for dark troops and upgrading dark troops... but yeah good point.

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Originally Posted by dylgold2000

Actually you still use DE for dark troops and upgrading dark troops... but yeah good point.

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Ugh *super mega face palm* thanks for proving my point.

ur welcome

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Originally Posted by dylgold2000

ur welcome

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He clearly explains in the first post that dark elixir is still used to upgrade the hero.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Figjam66

He clearly explains in the first post that dark elixir is still used to upgrade the hero.:rolleyes:

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Hahahahahahah maybe I wasn't so clear for some people. Now I put it in Bold and Red!

Let's bump this thread guys!! I bet EVERY player would love to interact that way with the heroes!

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Originally Posted by cnascime

Hahahahahahah maybe I wasn't so clear for some people. Now I put it in Bold and Red!

Let's bump this thread guys!! I bet EVERY player would love to interact that way with the heroes!

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Bump :rolleyes:
Anyways, I (having actually read the thread) didn't see any confusion about the DE cost. *shrugs*

But I still think it should just be based on percent damage (with a bonus for THs). That way, high league players (who are probably raiding trophy bases without exposed town halls) could still upgrade heroes. The percentage could be partly affected by the loot penalty when calculating how much hero XP is actually earned.

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Originally Posted by Brenn

Bump :rolleyes:
Anyways, I (having actually read the thread) didn't see any confusion about the DE cost. *shrugs*

But I still think it should just be based on percent damage (with a bonus for THs). That way, high league players (who are probably raiding trophy bases without exposed town halls) could still upgrade heroes. The percentage could be partly affected by the loot penalty when calculating how much hero XP is actually earned.

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I agree! Either that, or they should base it around how many stars you got from battle, i guess it would be way easier this way.

bumping this thread

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Originally Posted by cnascime

bumping this thread

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No bumping threads, not allowed, bad cnas! ;) and anywho, what about the people that gemmed the wait time on their heroes? I would predict another hero nerf mass refund. Other than that its a fantastic idea!

Probably one of the best ideas i have read, i havent upgraded my heores in ages (decided to concentrate on the lab) simply because i like to use them in war. This idea keeps them active, but still has the gem element for people who dont want to wait. My only concern is that sc would overlook this as im pretty sure theres people out there that will gem heroes to use in cws and that wouldnt be required if this was implemented.

if i missunderstood.. Sorry! Getting tired over here!

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Originally Posted by Chugs

Probably one of the best ideas i have read, i havent upgraded my heores in ages (decided to concentrate on the lab) simply because i like to use them in war. This idea keeps them active, but still has the gem element for people who dont want to wait. My only concern is that sc would overlook this as im pretty sure theres people out there that will gem heroes to use in cws and that wouldnt be required if this was implemented.

if i missunderstood.. Sorry! Getting tired over here!

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Hmm...I guess you are right about that. But still, we would have to look for some numbers to know if my idea wouldn't give them more profit. People would have a greater tendency to boost the heroes so that they could continue giving them experience during battle and increasing their level.

The best idea is to change the heroes hp to red when dying like the rest of the troops. The heroes hp shown at the bottom would definitely help. Cant find the damn guy after he's the the middle of the battle. Spend 2 seconds to find his hp and he's dead just when you miss hit his ability

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Originally Posted by CHARACTER

The best idea is to change the heroes hp to red when dying like the rest of the troops. The heroes hp shown at the bottom would definitely help. Cant find the damn guy after he's the the middle of the battle. Spend 2 seconds to find his hp and he's dead just when you miss hit his ability

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hahahahah i actually made a thread exactly like that http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-Bar-of-Heroes . The good ideas get lost in this forum, due to a lot of people creating stupid ones that are already ruled out ;(

I would love to see this implemented into the game

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Originally Posted by dylgold2000

Pretty good idea. I mean gaining levels by using dark elixir is like gaining levels my eating something. Makes a lot more sense with xp

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To enable more workers to work on an upgrade. This will cut your upgrade time in half or to 1/3 depending on how many workers you assign to it.

I like this, but I don't know if it will happen. Seems like a big game changer..

I like the idea...but anyone could easy drop trophies and destroy enough th's in a day to finish exp on hero. So there would be no need to gem to finish...therefore no money for sc....therefore not going to happen :)

This idea is good

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Originally Posted by cnascime

Hey guys, what's up?

I know we all share the same feeling when it comes to upgrading our heroes. Thoughts like "man, do I really have to wait 7 days for my hero to finish upgrading?", "how am I gonna farm without my hero?" or even "how am I gonna have a full powered attack without my hero during war? are pretty common between all the players. So I came up with a solution that not only will be AWESOME to the game and bennefit all of us, but will be pretty lucrative to SC as well. Here it is:

What if there was a way to use our heroes during the upgrade? But not only use them... What if our attacks had direct influence upon our heroes' level? Let me explain. Let's use a level 5 Barbarian King for our example. First, we pay for the upgrade to level 6 (22500 Dark elixir). Then, we will unlock the possibility to upgrade him, by destroying town halls during battle! Let's say a Barbarian King needs 600 experience points to reach level 6. Then, when we win a battle, he would gain 6xp, and by the time he reaches 600, he would become level 6. The amount of experience would vary based on the opponent's town hall, for example, if it was a town hall 7, he would gain 7xp, if it was a town hall 8, he would gain 8xp, and so on. He could even get the double XP if he himself destroyed the town hall!

Wouldn't SC lose money?

No! We could still have the option to buy experience with gems, so it wouldn't change that. But the players will have a tendency to boost the heroes even more, which will increase SC's profit!

So, What's next?

Guys, please, this is a GREAT idea for the game, and I'm counting on you to bump this thread and show it to SC. If this post gets popular, I'm gonna post a table based upon the experience needed to level up for each hero, so that we could have a more solid idea.

See ya!

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I liked your idea alot!!!!Hope so Supercell makes it happen!!! :)

Cnascime i bet that every single one will like this idea.. N did ya actually make a table? Lol
Anyways i think it will benefit the lot, specially coz getting the res required n then updating seriously becomes a pain.

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Originally Posted by Naz

I like the idea...but anyone could easy drop trophies and destroy enough th's in a day to finish exp on hero. So there would be no need to gem to finish...therefore no money for sc....therefore not going to happen :)

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I don't know about that man. They would apply the loot penalty to the heroes too, plus, I dont know if it would be so benefitial to drop trophies and forget about looting resources.

love the idea but i think the EX would have to be similar to the loot model where if you attack lower bases you get a penalty. not sure how they could do it. I wish they would do some thing. My hero's are lvl 10 king and lvl 5 queen and i dont want for anymore upgrades and i cant afford gems like that. frustrating

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Originally Posted by tmiller1200

love the idea but i think the EX would have to be similar to the loot model where if you attack lower bases you get a penalty. not sure how they could do it. I wish they would do some thing. My hero's are lvl 10 king and lvl 5 queen and i dont want for anymore upgrades and i cant afford gems like that. frustrating

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I'm gonna edit my post with tables and tweeks in a minute

would this make it very easy for people to simply drop trophies and raid, raid, raid so that their hero upgrade is done in a shorter amount of time, SC would probably never implement anything that people can already do using gems. in our own base the hero is like a defensive building - while it's being upgraded no defense provided. but i would still like to be able to use the hero at his/her current level while attacking, especially during war.

having what stuff is destroyed by the hero during an upgrade impact the upgrade time is not only exploitable, but then we're saying the stuff that the hero destroys regularly is just waisted effort on that front?? this is kindof eluding to changing the hero leveling system to be based off their attacks/defenses as opposed to buying it for DE.

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Originally Posted by Vikings09876

Well, that would mean adding another XP bar somewhere, good idea, but running out of room on smaller screens really. Unless of course you put the bar above the BK base. Otherwise, it is a good idea. Would benifit a full war attack. The whole point to the seperate bases was to make sure that our bases were at their stongest, why not our CW attacks also.

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Make the current bar be replaced with the heros bar ONLY If you tap the altar.

Anyway, YES, TOTALLY! BEST IDEAS EVAH!

Plus, it would encourage helping farmers too.

I changed almost the entire post! Check it out guys! Tell me what you think :D

Great idea, bro!

Despite this being such a fantasy game, it's ridiculous when you take an overview at the whole current situation: A Barbarian King has it's abilities improved by a constructor hiting his "sleeping altar" with a hammer.

For a more real scenary, upgrading by getting xp points sounds cool.

PS: Laughing of the ppl which still thinking this idea is about ending with need of DE =)

Yeah, that makes sense.... good idea!

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Originally Posted by Bundyy

I like this, but I don't know if it will happen. Seems like a big game changer..

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Its a huge game changer! It would be the biggest since clan wars.

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Originally Posted by cnascime

Hey guys, what's up?

I know we all share the same feeling when it comes to upgrading our heroes. Thoughts like "man, do I really have to wait 7 days for my hero to finish upgrading?", "how am I gonna farm without my hero?" or even "how am I gonna have a full powered attack without my hero during war? are pretty common between all the players. So I came up with a solution that not only will be AWESOME to the game and bennefit all of us, but will be pretty lucrative to SC as well. Here it is:

What if there was a way to use our heroes during the upgrade? But not only use them... What if our attacks had direct influence upon our heroes' level? Let me explain. Let's use a level 5 Barbarian King for our example. First, we pay for the upgrade to level 6 (22500 Dark elixir). Then, we will unlock the possibility to upgrade him, by gaining percentage points during battle! Let's say a Barbarian King needs 6000 experience points to reach level 6. Then, when we do 78% on a base, he would gain 78 points, and by the time he reaches 6000, he would become level 6. The amount of experience would be calculated just like the loot penaly system. So If you do 100% in a Town Hall that's 2 levels below you, you will only get 50 points (and not 100).

The rules for this new idea are:

- Your hero will ONLY gain experience if he's been deployed.
- If both of your heroes are under upgrade and both are deployed, they will share the total amount of experience points you gained in that attack.
- Your hero will gain double points with each % he accomplished (example: if you did 100% of the base, and 20% of that was done by your hero, he would gain 140 points)

I put together this table above to show how it would work. I used the Barbarian King as an example, but the experience required for both heroes are the same:

Level	Damage per Second	Damage per Hit	DPS in Ability	Hitpoints	Regen Time	Ability Level	Training Cost http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...rk_elixir.webp	Experience Required	Town Hall Level Required
1	120	144	N/A	1,700	30m	N/A.	10,000	None	7
2	122	146.4	N/A	1,742	32m	N/A	12,500	1200	7
3	124	148.8	N/A	1,786	34m	N/A	15,000	2400	7
4	127	152.4	N/A	1,830	36m	N/A	17,500	3600	7
5	129	154.8		1,876	38m	1	20,000	4800	7
6	132	158.4		1,923	40m	1	22,500	6000	8
7	135	162		1,971	42m	1	25,000	7200	8
8	137	164.4		2,020	44m	1	30,000	8400	8
9	140	168		2,071	46m	1	35,000	9600	8
10	143	171.6		2,123	48m	2	40,000	10800	8
11	146	175.2		2,176	50m	2	45,000	12000	9
12	149	178.8		2,230	52m	2	50,000	13200	9
13	152	182.4		2,286	54m	2	55,000	14400	9
14	155	186		2,343	56m	2	60,000	15600	9
15	158	189.6		2,402	58m	3	65,000	16800	9
16	161	193.2		2,462	1h	3	70,000	16800	9
17	164	196.8		2,523	1h 2m	3	75,000	16800	9
18	168	201.6		2,586	1h 4m	3	80,000	16800	9
19	171	205.2		2,651	1h 6m	3	85,000	16800	9
20	174	208.8		2,717	1h 8m	4	90,000	16800	9
21	178	213.6		2,785	1h 10m	4	95,000	16800	9
22	181	217.2		2,855	1h 12m	4	100,000	16800	9
23	185	222		2,926	1h 14m	4	105,000	16800	9
24	189	226.8		2,999	1h 16m	4	110,000	16800	9
25	193	231.6		3,074	1h 18m	5	115,000	16800	9
26	196	235.2		3,151	1h 20m	5	120,000	16800	9
27	200	240		3,230	1h 22m	5	125,000	16800	9
28	204	244.8		3,311	1h 24m	5	130,000	16800	9
29	208	249.6		3,394	1h 26m	5	135,000	16800	9
30	213	255.6		3,478	1h 28m	6	140,000	16800	9
31	217	260.4		3,565	1h 30m	6	145,000	16800	10
32	221	265.2		3,655	1h 32m	6	150,000	16800	10
33	226	271.2		3,746	1h 34m	6	155,000	16800	10
34	230	276		3,840	1h 36m	6	160,000	16800	10
35	235	282		3,936	1h 38m	7	165,000	16800	10
36	239	286.8		4,034	1h 40m	7	170,000	16800	10
37	244	292.8		4,135	1h 42m	7	175,000	16800	10
38	249	298.8		4,238	1h 44m	7	180,000	16800	10
39	254	304.8		4,344	1h 46m	7	185,000	16800	10
40	259	310.8		4,453	1h 48m	8	190,000	16800	10

And here we have the loot penalty system:

Town Hall Level Difference	Percentage of Loot Available
0	100%
1	90%
2	50%
3	25%
4 or more	5%

Wouldn't SC lose money?

No! We could still have the option to buy experience with gems, so it wouldn't change that. But the players will have a tendency to boost the heroes even more, which will increase SC's profit!

So, What's next?

Guys, please, this is a GREAT idea for the game, and I'm counting on you to bump this thread and show it to SC. Please post your feedback here. What are your thoughts on the numbers I put on the table? Your opinion is very important!

See ya, and clash on!

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So the people with max heroes would have had a massive advantage as they didnt have to earn xp.

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Originally Posted by Sokitani

So the people with max heroes would have had a massive advantage as they didnt have to earn xp.

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Of course not. They would have level 40 heroes with the amount of experience a level 40 has.

This is a Stellar Idea!

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Originally Posted by Sokitani

So the people with max heroes would have had a massive advantage as they didnt have to earn xp.

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But they also had to wait through the long upgrade times of not being able to use said heroes,so it would balance out.

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Originally Posted by Brenn

But they also had to wait through the long upgrade times of not being able to use said heroes,so it would balance out.

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I dont think so man...Im pretty sure they used gems to reach level 40, and Im pretty sure they would still use gems to buy experience

Plus its true how the upgrades take way to long. Smart Idea! 👍

Yeah. This is actually a good idea!

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Originally Posted by Vikings09876

Well, that would mean adding another XP bar somewhere, good idea, but running out of room on smaller screens really. Unless of course you put the bar above the BK base. Otherwise, it is a good idea. Would benifit a full war attack. The whole point to the seperate bases was to make sure that our bases were at their stongest, why not our CW attacks also.

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Probly not puting the bar above his base maybe in his description box to save the room

The only problem I see with this idea is that people with maxed out heroes might feel angry. But well...I felt angry too when they let us upgrade our walls with elixir (my elixir had been useless for a looong time), when they made the hidden tesla upgrade time a lot faster (I had maxed out ones), etc etc...But that didnt mean these were bad upgrades, in fact, they were awesome, and the only fact that made me angry is that they weren't released sooner

I don't think they should mess with the heroes any more, unless they're going to add some other feature to them, which could be upgraded in this manner.

It could work for a future hero though, or some other thing that they add to the game, which perhaps we haven't thought of yet.

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Originally Posted by TheConfuzed1

I don't think they should mess with the heroes any more, unless they're going to add some other feature to them, which could be upgraded in this manner.

It could work for a future hero though, or some other thing that they add to the game, which perhaps we haven't thought of yet.

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Hahahahahaha you are really a confused one arent you?

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Originally Posted by Pelongus

Plus its true how the upgrades take way to long. Smart Idea! 👍

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I know right?! Im pretty sick of having to wait 7d for one little upgrade

I'm so used to my barb king, I don't know how I will do war attacks and farm without him, this will help alot.

It would be fantastic if SC implemented this.. My barb king would definitely upgrade sooner.. I like the fact that if this is implemented, players won't discount DE and they will understand the true need for multiplayer attacks.. Way to go man.. I also like the fact that you gave specifics.. Many great ideas have gone down the drain because they aren't well presented..

Well thought-out. I'm in favour of this being implemented in the game. But I'm worried about how it will affect the DE economy.

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It would be fantastic if SC implemented this.. My barb king would definitely upgrade sooner.. I like the fact that if this is implemented, players won't discount DE and they will understand the true need for multiplayer attacks.. Way to go man.. I also like the fact that you gave specifics.. Many great ideas have gone down the drain because they aren't well presented..

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Thanks for the support man! I really want this in the game!

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Originally Posted by Enmi

Well thought-out. I'm in favour of this being implemented in the game. But I'm worried about how it will affect the DE economy.

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I dont think it will affect that much

wth u are awesome. thats all i gotta say.

not even using correct grammar bc this is totes amaze-ZING



:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by cnascime

Hey guys, what's up?

I know we all share the same feeling when it comes to upgrading our heroes. Thoughts like "man, do I really have to wait 7 days for my hero to finish upgrading?", "how am I gonna farm without my hero?" or even "how am I gonna have a full powered attack without my hero during war? are pretty common between all the players. So I came up with a solution that not only will be AWESOME to the game and bennefit all of us, but will be pretty lucrative to SC as well. Here it is:

What if there was a way to use our heroes during the upgrade? But not only use them... What if our attacks had direct influence upon our heroes' level? Let me explain. Let's use a level 5 Barbarian King for our example. First, we pay for the upgrade to level 6 (22500 Dark elixir). Then, we will unlock the possibility to upgrade him, by gaining percentage points during battle! Let's say a Barbarian King needs 6000 experience points to reach level 6. Then, when we do 78% on a base, he would gain 78 points, and by the time he reaches 6000, he would become level 6. The amount of experience would be calculated just like the loot penaly system. So If you do 100% in a Town Hall that's 2 levels below you, you will only get 50 points (and not 100).

The rules for this new idea are:

- Your hero will ONLY gain experience if he's been deployed.
- If both of your heroes are under upgrade and both are deployed, they will share the total amount of experience points you gained in that attack.
- Your hero will gain double points with each % he accomplished (example: if you did 100% of the base, and 20% of that was done by your hero, he would gain 140 points)

I put together this table above to show how it would work. I used the Barbarian King as an example, but the experience required for both heroes are the same:

Level	Damage per Second	Damage per Hit	DPS in Ability	Hitpoints	Regen Time	Ability Level	Training Cost http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...rk_elixir.webp	Experience Required	Town Hall Level Required
1	120	144	N/A	1,700	30m	N/A.	10,000	None	7
2	122	146.4	N/A	1,742	32m	N/A	12,500	1200	7
3	124	148.8	N/A	1,786	34m	N/A	15,000	2400	7
4	127	152.4	N/A	1,830	36m	N/A	17,500	3600	7
5	129	154.8		1,876	38m	1	20,000	4800	7
6	132	158.4		1,923	40m	1	22,500	6000	8
7	135	162		1,971	42m	1	25,000	7200	8
8	137	164.4		2,020	44m	1	30,000	8400	8
9	140	168		2,071	46m	1	35,000	9600	8
10	143	171.6		2,123	48m	2	40,000	10800	8
11	146	175.2		2,176	50m	2	45,000	12000	9
12	149	178.8		2,230	52m	2	50,000	13200	9
13	152	182.4		2,286	54m	2	55,000	14400	9
14	155	186		2,343	56m	2	60,000	15600	9
15	158	189.6		2,402	58m	3	65,000	16800	9
16	161	193.2		2,462	1h	3	70,000	16800	9
17	164	196.8		2,523	1h 2m	3	75,000	16800	9
18	168	201.6		2,586	1h 4m	3	80,000	16800	9
19	171	205.2		2,651	1h 6m	3	85,000	16800	9
20	174	208.8		2,717	1h 8m	4	90,000	16800	9
21	178	213.6		2,785	1h 10m	4	95,000	16800	9
22	181	217.2		2,855	1h 12m	4	100,000	16800	9
23	185	222		2,926	1h 14m	4	105,000	16800	9
24	189	226.8		2,999	1h 16m	4	110,000	16800	9
25	193	231.6		3,074	1h 18m	5	115,000	16800	9
26	196	235.2		3,151	1h 20m	5	120,000	16800	9
27	200	240		3,230	1h 22m	5	125,000	16800	9
28	204	244.8		3,311	1h 24m	5	130,000	16800	9
29	208	249.6		3,394	1h 26m	5	135,000	16800	9
30	213	255.6		3,478	1h 28m	6	140,000	16800	9
31	217	260.4		3,565	1h 30m	6	145,000	16800	10
32	221	265.2		3,655	1h 32m	6	150,000	16800	10
33	226	271.2		3,746	1h 34m	6	155,000	16800	10
34	230	276		3,840	1h 36m	6	160,000	16800	10
35	235	282		3,936	1h 38m	7	165,000	16800	10
36	239	286.8		4,034	1h 40m	7	170,000	16800	10
37	244	292.8		4,135	1h 42m	7	175,000	16800	10
38	249	298.8		4,238	1h 44m	7	180,000	16800	10
39	254	304.8		4,344	1h 46m	7	185,000	16800	10
40	259	310.8		4,453	1h 48m	8	190,000	16800	10

And here we have the loot penalty system:

Town Hall Level Difference	Percentage of Loot Available
0	100%
1	90%
2	50%
3	25%
4 or more	5%

Wouldn't SC lose money?

No! We could still have the option to buy experience with gems, so it wouldn't change that. But the players will have a tendency to boost the heroes even more, which will increase SC's profit!

So, What's next?

Guys, please, this is a GREAT idea for the game, and I'm counting on you to bump this thread and show it to SC. Please post your feedback here. What are your thoughts on the numbers I put on the table? Your opinion is very important!

See ya, and clash on!

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Those of us that already know how to farm and flatten bases for trophies don't require spells and heros. These are perks and add-ons.

Example, when I am farming for elixir I refrain from using spells. When I farm for de I refrain from using dark units. Also your heros require rest time between raids, therefore you don't get to use them for every raid anyhow.

All the above questions you raised are moot points and are not questions we all ask.

I find it annoying that players ask SC to make changes that only cater to their inability to play the game as it was meant to be played. In other words, make things easier for those that don't understand how to play the game properly.

I'm not really for it. Reason being that I am that rare player who doesn't attack much unless in a clan war or clan trophy push. That would mean that I would have to raid and be online to get the barb king to higher levels. And then when you are upgrading him to let's say level 35, you still need the elixir to train troops. To "fix" this I propose that you would have the option to wait the amount of days or you can raid with him. Or you could have it to where the closer the time gets to 0 then the exp amount needed to upgrade would become less. But hey, that's just me.

Speeding up a hero upgrade so they are usable is a big part of their revenue.

This would make it too easy and too quick to upgrade heroes.

While well thought out, I wouldn't bank on this idea...

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Those of us that already know how to farm and flatten bases for trophies don't require spells and heros. These are perks and add-ons.

Example, when I am farming for elixir I refrain from using spells. When I farm for de I refrain from using dark units. Also your heros require rest time between raids, therefore you don't get to use them for every raid anyhow.

All the above questions you raised are moot points and are not questions we all ask.

I find it annoying that players ask SC to make changes that only cater to their inability to play the game as it was meant to be played. In other words, make things easier for those that don't understand how to play the game properly.

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I see your point man. I myself don't really NEED the heroes to barch at crystal 1, but they sure help me a lot when I'm trying to get 50% on a base. On the other hand, if you're a high level player you will know that attacking in clan wars without the heroes is really bad, specially if you're using gowiwi or gowipe. So what's the option? Attack lower town halls? That would cause really negative effects in my clan and since I'm the highest level player there, we could even lose. The other option is to leave the clan, and that is just plain stupid.
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100% gets you 100 xp. The experience is ridiculous. Nearly 200,000 to upgrade to level 40. That's nearly 2000 battles for one level, and ALL three stars. Barb king to level 40 takes one week. Could you gain 2000 three stars in one week?

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100% gets you 100 xp. The experience is ridiculous. Nearly 200,000 to upgrade to level 40. That's nearly 2000 battles for one level, and ALL three stars. Barb king to level 40 takes one week. Could you gain 2000 three stars in one week?

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Dude did you even read my post?? First of all, you dont need to three star a base to get the points! If you do 70% you will get 70 points, for example. Second of all, 200,000 to upgrade to level 40?? Who even said that at all????

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Originally Posted by cnascime

Dude did you even read my post?? First of all, you dont need to three star a base to get the points! If you do 70% you will get 70 points, for example. Second of all, 200,000 to upgrade to level 40?? Who even said that at all????

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Ok, my bad, it's about 17000 to upgrade to level 40, not 200,000, I read the wrong column. Second, they don't have to be 3 stars to get the xp, I know, but out of 200,000, 100 xp would be the quickest. So for 17000, that would mean 170 3 stars. I'm not saying only 3 stars will get you xp, it's just the most. So, 170 3 stars in one week seems like a lot, versus waiting a week for it to upgrade.

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Ok, my bad, it's about 17000 to upgrade to level 40, not 200,000, I read the wrong column. Second, they don't have to be 3 stars to get the xp, I know, but out of 200,000, 100 xp would be the quickest. So for 17000, that would mean 170 3 stars. I'm not saying only 3 stars will get you xp, it's just the most. So, 170 3 stars in one week seems like a lot, versus waiting a week for it to upgrade.

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I don't think three starring will be the quickest way. If you use barch, you can get 50% of a base in just 20 minutes. That means 150 points per hour + the bonus of the bb king or archer queen, which will be about 170 points per hour. But yeah, now that I think about it, it actually is quite a lot to get 17000 in just a week. If the average person does 12 attacks per day, he would gain 680 xp points. In a week that equals 4760 xp points, what do you think?

Remember that the point of this idea isn't to try to lower the upgrading time, but giving you the opportunity to still use your heroes during the upgrade.

My issue is players with lower levels acquire ring though gems to max hero's i have a simular suggestion simple. Limit the maximum hero to be based off you total xp level. Eg: level 100 could max hero at level 20. A 1/5 ratio from xp level to hero level

Excellent, out of the box thinking OP. It's not often that you run across innovative and fresh ideas and solutions, and I voted "Yes" on this basis alone. That being said, I think it would be too much of an undertaking for SC to adopt. Heck, they haven't been able to fix the nexting / raiding issues, and that solution should be far easier to implement. I can't even fathom how long it would take them to put something like this into place...

Off subject whats nesting/raiding issue sorry new to forum chat? Ty

There is many ways this is a bad idea here are a few lets be mature shall we?

ITS BAD ITS BAD ITS BAD TAKE IT AWAY MOMMY THIS THREAD SCARES ME PLEASE MOMMY ITS BAD!!!!!

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My issue is players with lower levels acquire ring though gems to max hero's i have a simular suggestion simple. Limit the maximum hero to be based off you total xp level. Eg: level 100 could max hero at level 20. A 1/5 ratio from xp level to hero level

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That's a great idea man! It could be like this:

Level 0-80 = Hero capped at 10
80-100 = Hero capped at 20
100-120= Hero capped at 30
120 and above = Hero capped at 40

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Excellent, out of the box thinking OP. It's not often that you run across innovative and fresh ideas and solutions, and I voted "Yes" on this basis alone. That being said, I think it would be too much of an undertaking for SC to adopt. Heck, they haven't been able to fix the nexting / raiding issues, and that solution should be far easier to implement. I can't even fathom how long it would take them to put something like this into place...

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Thanks a lot man...one can only hope, right?

i dont like the idea of having to wait for your bk to be at a lvl when you already have all of the de

Creative idea but the only reason people gem heroes is to use them. This feature just takes away the sleeping which is the main reason why people gem them. SC wouldn't get rid of that.

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i dont like the idea of having to wait for your bk to be at a lvl when you already have all of the de

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Trust me, at those levels you won't have DE

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Originally Posted by Bebolopez

There is many ways this is a bad idea here are a few lets be mature shall we?

ITS BAD ITS BAD ITS BAD TAKE IT AWAY MOMMY THIS THREAD SCARES ME PLEASE MOMMY ITS BAD!!!!!

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ahhahaahahah very good point indeed!

Cool idea!

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Cool idea!

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Thanks a lot man!

What if I attacked another base with full dragons and rage spells and right before the dragons deal the final blow, I'll deploy my Barbarian King just to get the EXP. This is not an ideal situation that I believe SC wants.

I'd say he's better off destroying buildings on his own and earning EXP from that.

Or maybe, with every hit he dishes out, he gains EXP per hit and an added bonus if he destroys it. Bonuses may vary depending on the building destroyed (defence buildings and town halls will give the most). Additionally if he has been deployed, the amount of EXP earned from that battle will be multiplied by let's say x1.5 for a 3 star ranking, x1.3 for 2 stars, and x1.1 for 1 star.

This is an idea I'm adding into the pool but by no means a perfect one.

One way that people will exploit this idea is to search for a base with buildings unreachable from defences and deploy them there, wait for the Barbarian King to destroy it, and surrenders since it doesn't cost anything to deploy him and he can be used over and over again in other battles.

An awesome idea, but 16800 damage experience is a hell of a lot in champs league.
Thats 168 three star attacks you would have to make, which in champ league would normally take longer that the 7 days it is currently. That's my only issue. Other than that, great idea.

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An awesome idea, but 16800 damage experience is a hell of a lot in champs league.
Thats 168 three star attacks you would have to make, which in champ league would normally take longer that the 7 days it is currently. That's my only issue. Other than that, great idea.

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Yeah I agree! How much xp do you think it would be fair?

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What if I attacked another base with full dragons and rage spells and right before the dragons deal the final blow, I'll deploy my Barbarian King just to get the EXP. This is not an ideal situation that I believe SC wants.

I'd say he's better off destroying buildings on his own and earning EXP from that.

Or maybe, with every hit he dishes out, he gains EXP per hit and an added bonus if he destroys it. Bonuses may vary depending on the building destroyed (defence buildings and town halls will give the most). Additionally if he has been deployed, the amount of EXP earned from that battle will be multiplied by let's say x1.5 for a 3 star ranking, x1.3 for 2 stars, and x1.1 for 1 star.

This is an idea I'm adding into the pool but by no means a perfect one.

One way that people will exploit this idea is to search for a base with buildings unreachable from defences and deploy them there, wait for the Barbarian King to destroy it, and surrenders since it doesn't cost anything to deploy him and he can be used over and over again in other battles.

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I really like your idea man! We could use that one too!

So let me make this straight. You want the heroes to be upgradable to the next level by either gaining EXP or spending DE instead of only spending DE? Not a good idea.

Alright, you see, this game is all about the economic balance of spending and gaining. Having heroes to be upgradable using EXP will of course tip the balance of DE.

Its impacts will be as follows:
1) DE will be only spent to upgrade DE troops
2) DE will be ample and not burned anywhere, resulting in crazy tons of DE troops deployed even during farming session
3) Due to DE troops being used a lot more frequently, elixir will be saved, and of course, its balance will be also tipped.

OK, so what do i know about balance? Let's see the mathematics calculations. It's simplified and a lot of variables are omitted (DE gained from wars or league victories, and DE potential loss from upgrading time). I am an average mathematician. So CMIIW.

This new system will save DE for the amount of:

TH Level	Barbarian King	Archer Queen
7	75,000	-
8	152,500	-
9	1,850,000	2,397,500
10	1,675,000	1,775,000

By having the new system, this will save 7,925,000 potentially. Of course with both options available (both EXP and DE), let's assume that 50% of the upgrades are spent on DE. So it's around 3,962,500.

Now let's calculate the research cost of DE troops

Level	Minion	Hog Rider	Valkyrie	Golem	Witch	Lava Hound
1	-	-	-	-	-	-
2	10,000	20,000	50,000	60,000	75,000	60,000
3	20,000	30,000	60,000	70,000	-	70,000
4	30,000	40,000	70,000	80,000	-	-
5	40,000	50,000	-	90,000	-	-
6	100,000	-	-	-	-	-

This sums up to a total of 1,025,000 DE for research.

So where all of these DE will go if the heroes are upgraded using EXP? The difference is 2,937,500 DE. Where will all of this go?

If Supercell were to allow this new change, they will definitely make one or more of these changes too:
1) Increased cost of DE of DE troop upgrade
2) Increased cost of DE troop
3) Decreased DE drill's output
4) Decreased DE bonus from war and league victories
5) (This is the only change that i think will be able to balance it) Deployment of Archer Queen and Barbarian King will cost you DE, according to its level. Maybe around 100 [+25 per lv] for BK and 200 [+50] for AQ

Sorry but there are some SERIOUS flaws in this idea. I could just go to sub 200 trophies and destroy all the town hall 1s using only my heroes, giving me 200 xp per raid. No thanks too easy, I do like being able to use them while they upgrade though, like the CC

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So let me make this straight. You want the heroes to be upgradable to the next level by either gaining EXP or spending DE instead of only spending DE? Not a good idea.

Alright, you see, this game is all about the economic balance of spending and gaining. Having heroes to be upgradable using EXP will of course tip the balance of DE.

Its impacts will be as follows:
1) DE will be only spent to upgrade DE troops
2) DE will be ample and not burned anywhere, resulting in crazy tons of DE troops deployed even during farming session
3) Due to DE troops being used a lot more frequently, elixir will be saved, and of course, its balance will be also tipped.

OK, so what do i know about balance? Let's see the mathematics calculations. It's simplified and a lot of variables are omitted (DE gained from wars or league victories, and DE potential loss from upgrading time). I am an average mathematician. So CMIIW.

This new system will save DE for the amount of:

TH Level	Barbarian King	Archer Queen
7	75,000	-
8	152,500	-
9	1,850,000	2,397,500
10	1,675,000	1,775,000

By having the new system, this will save 7,925,000 potentially. Of course with both options available (both EXP and DE), let's assume that 50% of the upgrades are spent on DE. So it's around 3,962,500.

Now let's calculate the research cost of DE troops

Level	Minion	Hog Rider	Valkyrie	Golem	Witch	Lava Hound
1	-	-	-	-	-	-
2	10,000	20,000	50,000	60,000	75,000	60,000
3	20,000	30,000	60,000	70,000	-	70,000
4	30,000	40,000	70,000	80,000	-	-
5	40,000	50,000	-	90,000	-	-
6	100,000	-	-	-	-	-

This sums up to a total of 1,025,000 DE for research.

So where all of these DE will go if the heroes are upgraded using EXP? The difference is 2,937,500 DE. Where will all of this go?

If Supercell were to allow this new change, they will definitely make one or more of these changes too:
1) Increased cost of DE of DE troop upgrade
2) Increased cost of DE troop
3) Decreased DE drill's output
4) Decreased DE bonus from war and league victories
5) (This is the only change that i think will be able to balance it) Deployment of Archer Queen and Barbarian King will cost you DE, according to its level. Maybe around 100 [+25 per lv] for BK and 200 [+50] for AQ

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If you had read the part of the OP that is in bold red text and says that the dark elixir is still required to upgrade the hero you could have saved yourself a lot of time.

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Well, that would mean adding another XP bar somewhere, good idea, but running out of room on smaller screens really. Unless of course you put the bar above the BK base. Otherwise, it is a good idea. Would benifit a full war attack. The whole point to the seperate bases was to make sure that our bases were at their stongest, why not our CW attacks also.

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Hello ! It is a good idea I found but it would be good if the xp bar would be in the display of points of life, damage, etc.

Googix ;)

the idea is neat and original, but I am a firm believer that this would negatively impact the amount of gems players spend on upgrading their heroes, and for that reason alone, I doubt SC would adopt this idea.

Using during upgrade I think is the difference. Since they have not bothered fixing the problem with opting in/out of war the hero upgrades become a show stopper. Guy have had to quit clans for a week o get them done without hurting that clans war.

Please people...read THE WHOLE IDEA before commenting non sense. I was very clear DE was still gonna be needed, and the LOOT PENALTY will too have influence in the experience system.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I don't waste money on the game.
Means, for all those out there like me: No gems paid and now we can save DE too.

I wouldn't bother upgrading my king to level 15 with DE! Or my Queen to level 10 with DE.
Leave it all on XP until the experience points get too high and I've maxed all my DE troops.

No point. Who knows, for those people who worry about DE troops and not heroes will max heroes by raiding and not giving any for the BK to eat. :(

Here's in depth by someone else before me...
Read it ALL!


http://forum.supercell.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by terraflare http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png
So let me make this straight. You want the heroes to be upgradable to the next level by either gaining EXP or spending DE instead of only spending DE? Not a good idea.

Alright, you see, this game is all about the economic balance of spending and gaining. Having heroes to be upgradable using EXP will of course tip the balance of DE.

Its impacts will be as follows:
1) DE will be only spent to upgrade DE troops
2) DE will be ample and not burned anywhere, resulting in crazy tons of DE troops deployed even during farming session
3) Due to DE troops being used a lot more frequently, elixir will be saved, and of course, its balance will be also tipped.

OK, so what do i know about balance? Let's see the mathematics calculations. It's simplified and a lot of variables are omitted (DE gained from wars or league victories, and DE potential loss from upgrading time). I am an average mathematician. So CMIIW.

This new system will save DE for the amount of:

TH Level	Barbarian King	Archer Queen
7	75,000	-
8	152,500	-
9	1,850,000	2,397,500
10	1,675,000	1,775,000

By having the new system, this will save 7,925,000 potentially. Of course with both options available (both EXP and DE), let's assume that 50% of the upgrades are spent on DE. So it's around 3,962,500.

Now let's calculate the research cost of DE troops

Level	Minion	Hog Rider	Valkyrie	Golem	Witch	Lava Hound
1	-	-	-	-	-	-
2	10,000	20,000	50,000	60,000	75,000	60,000
3	20,000	30,000	60,000	70,000	-	70,000
4	30,000	40,000	70,000	80,000	-	-
5	40,000	50,000	-	90,000	-	-
6	100,000	-	-	-	-	-

This sums up to a total of 1,025,000 DE for research.

So where all of these DE will go if the heroes are upgraded using EXP? The difference is 2,937,500 DE. Where will all of this go?

If Supercell were to allow this new change, they will definitely make one or more of these changes too:
1) Increased cost of DE of DE troop upgrade
2) Increased cost of DE troop
3) Decreased DE drill's output
4) Decreased DE bonus from war and league victories
5) (This is the only change that i think will be able to balance it) Deployment of Archer Queen and Barbarian King will cost you DE, according to its level. Maybe around 100 [+25 per lv] for BK and 200 [+50] for AQ

I think it should be dark elixir option for xp or then wait for upgrade option with dark elixir so you're not forced to do the xp way

Personally, I don't like this. It is much easier to farm dark elixir, than it would be to do this. Plus, the heroes are a good dark elixir sink, and they are worth it!

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I don't waste money on the game.
Means, for all those out there like me: No gems paid and now we can save DE too.

I wouldn't bother upgrading my king to level 15 with DE! Or my Queen to level 10 with DE.
Leave it all on XP until the experience points get too high and I've maxed all my DE troops.

No point. Who knows, for those people who worry about DE troops and not heroes will max heroes by raiding and not giving any for the BK to eat. :(

Here's in depth by someone else before me...
Read it ALL!


http://forum.supercell.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by terraflare http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png
So let me make this straight. You want the heroes to be upgradable to the next level by either gaining EXP or spending DE instead of only spending DE? Not a good idea.

Alright, you see, this game is all about the economic balance of spending and gaining. Having heroes to be upgradable using EXP will of course tip the balance of DE.

Its impacts will be as follows:
1) DE will be only spent to upgrade DE troops
2) DE will be ample and not burned anywhere, resulting in crazy tons of DE troops deployed even during farming session
3) Due to DE troops being used a lot more frequently, elixir will be saved, and of course, its balance will be also tipped.

OK, so what do i know about balance? Let's see the mathematics calculations. It's simplified and a lot of variables are omitted (DE gained from wars or league victories, and DE potential loss from upgrading time). I am an average mathematician. So CMIIW.

This new system will save DE for the amount of:

TH Level	Barbarian King	Archer Queen
7	75,000	-
8	152,500	-
9	1,850,000	2,397,500
10	1,675,000	1,775,000

By having the new system, this will save 7,925,000 potentially. Of course with both options available (both EXP and DE), let's assume that 50% of the upgrades are spent on DE. So it's around 3,962,500.

Now let's calculate the research cost of DE troops

Level	Minion	Hog Rider	Valkyrie	Golem	Witch	Lava Hound
1	-	-	-	-	-	-
2	10,000	20,000	50,000	60,000	75,000	60,000
3	20,000	30,000	60,000	70,000	-	70,000
4	30,000	40,000	70,000	80,000	-	-
5	40,000	50,000	-	90,000	-	-
6	100,000	-	-	-	-	-

This sums up to a total of 1,025,000 DE for research.

So where all of these DE will go if the heroes are upgraded using EXP? The difference is 2,937,500 DE. Where will all of this go?

If Supercell were to allow this new change, they will definitely make one or more of these changes too:
1) Increased cost of DE of DE troop upgrade
2) Increased cost of DE troop
3) Decreased DE drill's output
4) Decreased DE bonus from war and league victories
5) (This is the only change that i think will be able to balance it) Deployment of Archer Queen and Barbarian King will cost you DE, according to its level. Maybe around 100 [+25 per lv] for BK and 200 [+50] for AQ

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Totally irrelevant as the dark elixir still goes into upgrading the hero, the xp is only exchanged for time.

Please make this happen supercell !

Basically, a hero now uses DE and EXP instead of DE and time to upgrade. I like this for a few reasons:

1. It allows us to use our heroes in battle, which is particularly nice.
2. It promotes activity.
3. As you can "buy" experience with gems, SC HOPEFULLY won't lose too much money.

There is one thing I would like to say, and that is that people who aren't as active may have a pretty big disadvantage. You could make it so that heroes gain A BIT of XP over time (maybe 50 per hour?) so that people who aren't active aren't completely hopeless.

Great!!!
And it will be better if we can give heroes their own names! :)
Msybe you can't buy experience, but upgrade them with DE like now.

i voted no, but not because i dont like it, but i believe your argument is mainly because of wars, i think you should be able to use him and aq in war even if theyre upgrading,at the level they are at end of prep day (just like my mortars upgrading get used in the defense) to me thats the fix, lock heroes in upgrade but dont lock them in war

why i say it this way, just with everything in the village, upgrading has the cost of vulnerability, upgrading your best barracks to level 10 but the rest are level 6 or 7? well, you gotta live without those extra troops for awhile and the space to train them, you want a better mortar? well you get attacked with less to stop them (im currently upgrading all mortars at once.. not fun) so just as barracks make your attacks suffer, loss of a hero, well, technically the hero not having a weapon as the builder works on it, your attacks (but should be out of war only) suffer..

this game is for the patient

although the xp would just be another thing to grind for like loot, but i see one flaw in your idea, whos to say. i dont trophy drop to less than bronze and wipe out a whole base with my BK and AQ solo

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Originally Posted by MiseryVen

i voted no, but not because i dont like it, but i believe your argument is mainly because of wars, i think you should be able to use him and aq in war even if theyre upgrading,at the level they are at end of prep day (just like my mortars upgrading get used in the defense) to me thats the fix, lock heroes in upgrade but dont lock them in war

why i say it this way, just with everything in the village, upgrading has the cost of vulnerability, upgrading your best barracks to level 10 but the rest are level 6 or 7? well, you gotta live without those extra troops for awhile and the space to train them, you want a better mortar? well you get attacked with less to stop them (im currently upgrading all mortars at once.. not fun) so just as barracks make your attacks suffer, loss of a hero, well, technically the hero not having a weapon as the builder works on it, your attacks (but should be out of war only) suffer..

this game is for the patient

although the xp would just be another thing to grind for like loot, but i see one flaw in your idea, whos to say. i dont trophy drop to less than bronze and wipe out a whole base with my BK and AQ solo

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You can't drop your trophies and still expect to get a lot of experience points because of the penalty, please read the entire idea.

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Originally Posted by cnascime

You can't drop your trophies and still expect to get a lot of experience points because of the penalty, please read the entire idea.

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i did, a 50 of 100 penalty actually isnt heavy enough except for for aq, cause th7 is where challenges actually start to appear, but a th6 for someone with th8, not very challenging, much less someone at th7 with BK attacking a 5, i mean 2 good base at th 5 is no where near as hard as a good base at th7. point being, say i wanted an easy BK upgrade, i just drop down to low silver then and pick on all the th 5 and 6s ,bring maybe a few wb and a few giants, the rest of the base is practically gonna be useless against BK, especially if a healer is brought along, quick xp from that, then go up again to get more DE, the only reason it does help tho, is that you still need DE so cant just STAY in those levels to get ahold of all the upgrades

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Originally Posted by MiseryVen

i did, a 50 of 100 penalty actually isnt heavy enough except for for aq, cause th7 is where challenges actually start to appear, but a th6 for someone with th8, not very challenging, much less someone at th7 with BK attacking a 5, i mean 2 good base at th 5 is no where near as hard as a good base at th7. point being, say i wanted an easy BK upgrade, i just drop down to low silver then and pick on all the th 5 and 6s ,bring maybe a few wb and a few giants, the rest of the base is practically gonna be useless against BK, especially if a healer is brought along, quick xp from that, then go up again to get more DE, the only reason it does help tho, is that you still need DE so cant just STAY in those levels to get ahold of all the upgrades

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Exactly..you just solved your own problem hahahaha. It's REALLY hard for a th8 to get DE to upgrade the heroes, so if you are a th9 trying to raid th7 and th6, it would have a huge loot penalty, which is not gonna make it worth it. Plus, nobody would want to drop trophies JUST to upgrade heroes. Can you imagine how much gold and elixir you are going to waste with that? It's a lot more useful to use a strategy to try to get loot AND upgrade your heroes at the same time.