New way to upgrade heroes - best idea ever

I think it should be dark elixir option for xp or then wait for upgrade option with dark elixir so you're not forced to do the xp way

Personally, I don't like this. It is much easier to farm dark elixir, than it would be to do this. Plus, the heroes are a good dark elixir sink, and they are worth it!

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Originally Posted by Germinator

I don't waste money on the game.
Means, for all those out there like me: No gems paid and now we can save DE too.

I wouldn't bother upgrading my king to level 15 with DE! Or my Queen to level 10 with DE.
Leave it all on XP until the experience points get too high and I've maxed all my DE troops.

No point. Who knows, for those people who worry about DE troops and not heroes will max heroes by raiding and not giving any for the BK to eat. :(

Here's in depth by someone else before me...
Read it ALL!


http://forum.supercell.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by terraflare http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png
So let me make this straight. You want the heroes to be upgradable to the next level by either gaining EXP or spending DE instead of only spending DE? Not a good idea.

Alright, you see, this game is all about the economic balance of spending and gaining. Having heroes to be upgradable using EXP will of course tip the balance of DE.

Its impacts will be as follows:
1) DE will be only spent to upgrade DE troops
2) DE will be ample and not burned anywhere, resulting in crazy tons of DE troops deployed even during farming session
3) Due to DE troops being used a lot more frequently, elixir will be saved, and of course, its balance will be also tipped.

OK, so what do i know about balance? Let's see the mathematics calculations. It's simplified and a lot of variables are omitted (DE gained from wars or league victories, and DE potential loss from upgrading time). I am an average mathematician. So CMIIW.

This new system will save DE for the amount of:

TH Level	Barbarian King	Archer Queen
7	75,000	-
8	152,500	-
9	1,850,000	2,397,500
10	1,675,000	1,775,000

By having the new system, this will save 7,925,000 potentially. Of course with both options available (both EXP and DE), let's assume that 50% of the upgrades are spent on DE. So it's around 3,962,500.

Now let's calculate the research cost of DE troops

Level	Minion	Hog Rider	Valkyrie	Golem	Witch	Lava Hound
1	-	-	-	-	-	-
2	10,000	20,000	50,000	60,000	75,000	60,000
3	20,000	30,000	60,000	70,000	-	70,000
4	30,000	40,000	70,000	80,000	-	-
5	40,000	50,000	-	90,000	-	-
6	100,000	-	-	-	-	-

This sums up to a total of 1,025,000 DE for research.

So where all of these DE will go if the heroes are upgraded using EXP? The difference is 2,937,500 DE. Where will all of this go?

If Supercell were to allow this new change, they will definitely make one or more of these changes too:
1) Increased cost of DE of DE troop upgrade
2) Increased cost of DE troop
3) Decreased DE drill's output
4) Decreased DE bonus from war and league victories
5) (This is the only change that i think will be able to balance it) Deployment of Archer Queen and Barbarian King will cost you DE, according to its level. Maybe around 100 [+25 per lv] for BK and 200 [+50] for AQ

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Totally irrelevant as the dark elixir still goes into upgrading the hero, the xp is only exchanged for time.

Please make this happen supercell !

Basically, a hero now uses DE and EXP instead of DE and time to upgrade. I like this for a few reasons:

1. It allows us to use our heroes in battle, which is particularly nice.
2. It promotes activity.
3. As you can "buy" experience with gems, SC HOPEFULLY won't lose too much money.

There is one thing I would like to say, and that is that people who aren't as active may have a pretty big disadvantage. You could make it so that heroes gain A BIT of XP over time (maybe 50 per hour?) so that people who aren't active aren't completely hopeless.

Great!!!
And it will be better if we can give heroes their own names! :)
Msybe you can't buy experience, but upgrade them with DE like now.

i voted no, but not because i dont like it, but i believe your argument is mainly because of wars, i think you should be able to use him and aq in war even if theyre upgrading,at the level they are at end of prep day (just like my mortars upgrading get used in the defense) to me thats the fix, lock heroes in upgrade but dont lock them in war

why i say it this way, just with everything in the village, upgrading has the cost of vulnerability, upgrading your best barracks to level 10 but the rest are level 6 or 7? well, you gotta live without those extra troops for awhile and the space to train them, you want a better mortar? well you get attacked with less to stop them (im currently upgrading all mortars at once.. not fun) so just as barracks make your attacks suffer, loss of a hero, well, technically the hero not having a weapon as the builder works on it, your attacks (but should be out of war only) suffer..

this game is for the patient

although the xp would just be another thing to grind for like loot, but i see one flaw in your idea, whos to say. i dont trophy drop to less than bronze and wipe out a whole base with my BK and AQ solo

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Originally Posted by MiseryVen

i voted no, but not because i dont like it, but i believe your argument is mainly because of wars, i think you should be able to use him and aq in war even if theyre upgrading,at the level they are at end of prep day (just like my mortars upgrading get used in the defense) to me thats the fix, lock heroes in upgrade but dont lock them in war

why i say it this way, just with everything in the village, upgrading has the cost of vulnerability, upgrading your best barracks to level 10 but the rest are level 6 or 7? well, you gotta live without those extra troops for awhile and the space to train them, you want a better mortar? well you get attacked with less to stop them (im currently upgrading all mortars at once.. not fun) so just as barracks make your attacks suffer, loss of a hero, well, technically the hero not having a weapon as the builder works on it, your attacks (but should be out of war only) suffer..

this game is for the patient

although the xp would just be another thing to grind for like loot, but i see one flaw in your idea, whos to say. i dont trophy drop to less than bronze and wipe out a whole base with my BK and AQ solo

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You can't drop your trophies and still expect to get a lot of experience points because of the penalty, please read the entire idea.

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Originally Posted by cnascime

You can't drop your trophies and still expect to get a lot of experience points because of the penalty, please read the entire idea.

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i did, a 50 of 100 penalty actually isnt heavy enough except for for aq, cause th7 is where challenges actually start to appear, but a th6 for someone with th8, not very challenging, much less someone at th7 with BK attacking a 5, i mean 2 good base at th 5 is no where near as hard as a good base at th7. point being, say i wanted an easy BK upgrade, i just drop down to low silver then and pick on all the th 5 and 6s ,bring maybe a few wb and a few giants, the rest of the base is practically gonna be useless against BK, especially if a healer is brought along, quick xp from that, then go up again to get more DE, the only reason it does help tho, is that you still need DE so cant just STAY in those levels to get ahold of all the upgrades

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Originally Posted by MiseryVen

i did, a 50 of 100 penalty actually isnt heavy enough except for for aq, cause th7 is where challenges actually start to appear, but a th6 for someone with th8, not very challenging, much less someone at th7 with BK attacking a 5, i mean 2 good base at th 5 is no where near as hard as a good base at th7. point being, say i wanted an easy BK upgrade, i just drop down to low silver then and pick on all the th 5 and 6s ,bring maybe a few wb and a few giants, the rest of the base is practically gonna be useless against BK, especially if a healer is brought along, quick xp from that, then go up again to get more DE, the only reason it does help tho, is that you still need DE so cant just STAY in those levels to get ahold of all the upgrades

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Exactly..you just solved your own problem hahahaha. It's REALLY hard for a th8 to get DE to upgrade the heroes, so if you are a th9 trying to raid th7 and th6, it would have a huge loot penalty, which is not gonna make it worth it. Plus, nobody would want to drop trophies JUST to upgrade heroes. Can you imagine how much gold and elixir you are going to waste with that? It's a lot more useful to use a strategy to try to get loot AND upgrade your heroes at the same time.