Sneak peeks!!!:d

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Originally Posted by mountaindrew

Now will having high lvled walls be less of an accomplishment?

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Yup. Have fun raiding people with level 10 walls in gold league.

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Originally Posted by silentd916

Use jump spells or wbs, only takes like 2 wb to destroy maxed walls when they are raged.

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And that gets you in one level of a segmented base where you get destroyed as you fruitlessly try to break next wall with barbarians. And it adds 60000 elixer to each attack for that small ultimately unsuccessful attack.

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Originally Posted by mountaindrew

Now will having high lvled walls be less of an accomplishment?

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No. because it will still take time to upgrade walls. just a bit lesser now

In before merge with sticky thread :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Angrybirdmaster

So you're saying that it's fair that the hardcore players that had to grind out their walls using gold when this change could have meant they could have dumped their useless elixir and saved a lot of time?

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You're totally right, it's unfair on older players. Let's not make any updates to the game, ever, since the older players had to go through it differently. Cutting the training time for troops is unfair because it makes farming easier.

It's such stupid backward logic, let's not develop faster computers because 20 years ago people were using slow computers, and we should all struggle the same way they did. Games need to advance, and if the system would have been better back then with this update, then it needs to be done- better late than never.

If upgrading walls with elixir OR gold would have been a good thing when you were doing walls, then the update should be done ASAP and you should be happy for those players about to begin their wall journey, not being a whiny little...

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

Yup. Have fun raiding people with level 10 walls in gold league.

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Lvl 10 walls are still 3 mill it wont be THAAAAT easy and you will notice less and less people with elixer.

I think the bigger question mark and issue isn't "boo hoo, by precious walls are now easier to get and my status symbol in a free to play mobile game is deminished, it's unfair", but how this will indeed affect the elixir economy, especially for the high end player on pushes, using expensive armies. As a maxed base (buildings, defences and now with all troops maxed and nearly all upgraded to lvl 9 walls), I almost always have full elixir storages except if I'm trophy pushing. This will no longer be the case, as it won't for any active high end player. I'll still have to stock pile elixir in preparation for elixir though.

But that may be hard to do. In fact, I'm not sure being able to upgrade with elixir will make upgrading walls all that much easier in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

I understand your way of thinking. Nevertheless, could you point to a scandal in CoC triggering this change? Those were big scandals which lead to big changes, fair enough. This comes out of the blue without any previous events or decent reasoning.

I have never complained about anything. Check my previous points. Loot, op troops, heavy nerves etc... I adapted my gameplay accordingly. Level 10 walls one year ago are still lvl 10 walls now. They bring prestige and illustrate your dedication, exactly like the partner title.

King Midas
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I see what you mean as well. I thought you actually made some good points in this thread, which is why I responded to them.

Obviously we are dealing with imperfect metaphors here. Yes, there was not a single "event" or scandal in CoC that prompted this change. The point is that SC apparently has a state purpose of gradually closing the gap between the old and new. This only makes sense to me if new content is added as well (for instance releasing tesla 8 and reducing price/time on level 7).

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Originally Posted by kbergou21

You complainers are all ridiculous! First of the sneak peeks and you immediately jump to how this is going to ruin the game and that loot is going to be worse. You all have absolutely no idea what is going on behind the scenes, nor do you know what the next sneak peek will be. Level 12 collectors? Higher win bonus? Base loot like in clan wars?

You all need to chill out until all sneak peeks are released and the update is live.

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Common sense dictates this will be the bigger one of the sneak peeks. You're actually being ridiculous, pointing towards potential updates to justify a current update. You're making stuff up in orde to justify. They cannot introduce new major loot adaptations as it would upset the economy way too much in too little time.

If you call people ridiculous, take a look at your own reasoning first. Which is in this case worth nothing.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Originally Posted by Thomas20247

Lvl 10 walls are still 3 mill it wont be THAAAAT easy and you will notice less and less people with elixer.

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Easy enough that it will become common.

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

I did a fair portion of my walls before profiles were added to the game.

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Got it, thanks for the clarification.

So everyone stop upgrading their base and dumb everything on walls? Right... /sargasm off

Forgive me to my words, but this is the ♥♥♥♥tiest updates supercell will do, and it surely WILL lose many players after that "Walls can be upgraded with elixir. Only walls above Lvl 6.".
Obviously the high leveled players that strived much for upgrading their walls will mostly dislike this and will leave this game, just like myself.

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

Yup. Have fun raiding people with level 10 walls in gold league.

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I have complained earlier in this thread and i cant stand this change but i feel really bad for guys like you and sharp who spent so much time ug everything. You guys have taken a shot to the gut in not only this update but the last one as well.

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Originally Posted by Leomengo07

Forgive me to my words, but this is the ♥♥♥♥tiest updates supercell will do, and it surely WILL lose many players after that "Walls can be upgraded with elixir. Only walls above Lvl 6.".
Obviously the high leveled players that strived much for upgrading their walls will mostly dislike this and will leave this game, just like myself.

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Pls leave your mines/collectors out of range of defences

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It's such stupid backward logic, let's not develop faster computers because 20 years ago people were using slow computers, and we should all struggle the same way they did.

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Amen.

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Now that we can also use elixer to upgrade walls, the loot would seem to just be worse, no? Someone please shed some light on how this is "good" news.

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Originally Posted by Yankees

I have complained earlier in this thread and i cant stand this change but i feel really bad for guys like you and sharp who spent so much time ug everything. You guys have taken a shot to the gut in not only this update but the last one as well.

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Supercell is pulling a Blizzard. They're just lucky they don't have a talent tree to mess up too.

First it's "I have no gold and nobody ever has gold, time to drop to Silver and farm"

And then all of a sudden "Nobody is going to have elixir omg omg omg." And " I used all my elixir I can't train my army omg"

There are good and bad parts about the sneak peak with walls. A good thing is that elixir is now useful for doing walls. Also,walls can get done quicker by using elixir since it is easier to find. Since many will be using elixir instead if gold for walls,more gold will be around. The bad thing is that I think it will be too easy for people to level up walls now and that it will mean much less when you complete a set of walls. On a side note,I do like the part about the live clan war raids

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Originally Posted by CEO

Now that we can also use elixer to upgrade walls, the loot would seem to just be worse, no? Someone please shed some light on how this is "good" news.

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Elixir will be just as scarce as gold. My prediction is this will greatly change the economy.

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Originally Posted by Leomengo07

Forgive me to my words, but this is the ♥♥♥♥tiest updates supercell will do, and it surely WILL lose many players after that "Walls can be upgraded with elixir. Only walls above Lvl 6.".
Obviously the high leveled players that strived much for upgrading their walls will mostly dislike this and will leave this game, just like myself.

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Pls leave your mines/collectors out of range of defences

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Originally Posted by Leomengo07

Forgive me to my words, but this is the ♥♥♥♥tiest updates supercell will do, and it surely WILL lose many players after that "Walls can be upgraded with elixir. Only walls above Lvl 6.".
Obviously the high leveled players that strived much for upgrading their walls will mostly dislike this and will leave this game, just like myself.

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You guys upgraded your walls after working really hard to get that gold . GOOD JOB !! This doesn't mean that everyone else has to do it too. The game just doesn't revolve around the high levs the lower levels have the right to get some new stuff too. And they havnt even released all the sneak peeks yet you can't judge it right now.

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

My 2 cents on the matter...

Upgrading walls with gold or elixir is a good long term move. The 2 biggest concerns seem to be elixir availability and diminishing orevious accomolishments, so I'll try to adress that a little.

Elixir will no doubt become more scarce after the update, but I think that's kinda a good thing given how many players literally set their elixir storages outside because they have nothing to spend it on. Now, will it hurt it to the point of making it like gold? Possibly, and that's a valid criticism of the move. However, the loot balance is something that can always be adjusted by SC, so it's not like this is a possible "gamebreaker" level disaster. They wouldn't let it get that far. But again, yeah, elixir will be more scarce, I agree.

For those who farmed legos, lavas, even zaps, of course they don't like it. There's some legitimate outrage here, but personally I find it somewhat shortsighted. First of all these kind of price nerfs (although this one is indirect) have been happening for quite a long time now, so this is part of an established pattern by SC of lowering the costs of the highest priced things in the game. It's been done to various defenses over the past year, and I have no doubt that this trend will continue even after the (stronger) reactions from this.

But think about why they keep doing this. It's not a pointless excersize in frustrating their high level players (although I get how people can think that from their own perspective) and it's not foolhardy pandering to the noobs of the game who can't farm, it's a calculated attempt to reduce the gap between people who started the game early and those who picked it up more recently. If you assume constant prices (or constant value if you prefer that term) over time, 2 identical players who started exactly one year apart would always be one year apart in terms of progress. This does NOT work. You have to start lowering prices and upgrade times as time goes on so that people behind the new content curve can catch up to those who are mostly maxed. If it took you 18 months to max walls (making up a number here), it's perfectly reasonable for SC to want players who start in September 2014 to be able to do so in less time than that, holding dedication level and other factors constant.

Point being, yes it hurts high level players, but they have been doing this for a long time and for a good reason. At least that's my assessment of the matter.


Oh and don't forget folks, plenty more sneak peeks to come. I promise there are goodies, even if you don't like this. :)

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I'm a bit bothered by your statement regarding players who are vets vs noobs who have just picked up the game recently.

The years put into this game to progress by long time players, can now be 'cut short' in just a few months for new players?

It's like saying..'I won't download that game from SC. I'll wait two years from now so that when I start, I'll be the same level with the number 1 player in a short few months since SC caters to new players'...I feel somehow, this is not right.

Make the lower levels earn it. They need to work hard for it. I can even upgrade my blue crystal walls just from my collectors alone.

I would rather have SC concentrate on THs 8 & 9 to move them faster to being a maxed TH 10, NOT the whole gang because this is where the true grind starts.

But then again, that's my opinion on this...

I'm hoping they bring back some inactive bases, and/or more collectors/mines.

I think this is gonna make the game MUCH BETTER

Based off the fact i find too much elixir all the time! Now loot should be more balanced!

Anybody know when will the update cone into effect? Like in a week or month...
Because I'm sitting on full elixir storages 😁I

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Originally Posted by Leomengo07

Forgive me to my words, but this is the ♥♥♥♥tiest updates supercell will do, and it surely WILL lose many players after that "Walls can be upgraded with elixir. Only walls above Lvl 6.".
Obviously the high leveled players that strived much for upgrading their walls will mostly dislike this and will leave this game, just like myself.

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You say that you spent forever farming walls and invested so much in them, yet you also say that you will quit in the blink of an eye??? Soooo apparently these walls mean so much to you, yet just because others can get them easier you will leave your precious walls and quit the game?

Seems a little contradicting to me.

TH10 grinding 250 walls:

Lv 9 Walls - 1M Gold x 250 = 250M
Lv 10 Walls - 3M Gold x 250 = 750M
Lv 11 Walls - 4M Gold x 250 = 1,000M

If the update were to be released earlier, I might have maxed my def before my walls are a complete of lv10.
So much gold, so less appreciated. Wow.

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Originally Posted by dysdave

You're totally right, it's unfair on older players. Let's not make any updates to the game, ever, since the older players had to go through it differently. Cutting the training time for troops is unfair because it makes farming easier.

It's such stupid backward logic, let's not develop faster computers because 20 years ago people were using slow computers, and we should all struggle the same way they did. Games need to advance, and if the system would have been better back then with this update, then it needs to be done- better late than never.

If upgrading walls with elixir OR gold would have been a good thing when you were doing walls, then the update should be done ASAP and you should be happy for those players about to begin their wall journey, not being a whiny little...

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Wrong metaphor.

You are referring to a gradual change in technology. ALL people have access to these improvements, EVERYONE. Not just persons who used slower computers, but others as well. They can use the advantages equally. In this sneak peek, people are being treated differently. Only a SELECT FEW get access to these advantages, NOT EVERYONE.

To improve your metaphor: one person starts a task on a slow computer and someone else starts the same task on a a tiny bit faster computer. Nevertheless, the speed of the computer affects a certain calculation on which the first person had to spend way more time compared to the second person.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Originally Posted by Awness

I'm a bit bothered by your statement regarding players who are vets vs noobs who have just picked up the game recently.

The years put into this game to progress by long time players, can now be 'cut short' in just a few months for new players?

It's like saying..'I won't download that game from SC. I'll wait two years from now so that when I start, I'll be the same level with the number 1 player in a short few months since SC caters to new players'...I feel somehow, this is not right.

Make the lower levels earn it. They need to work hard for it. I can even upgrade my blue crystal walls just from my collectors alone.

I would rather have SC concentrate on THs 8 & 9 to move them faster to being a maxed TH 10, NOT the whole gang because this is where the true grind starts.

But then again, that's my opinion on this...

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How are you comparing 2 years to months now? Have build times changed?

Actually, i think loot will be better. When I was at TH9 and below, I did not know what to do with my elixir. Now, they will go towards walls, so technically, there might be more gold to raid.

As for TH10s, if they did not upgrade their troops and army camps pre-update, they are pretty much screwed in terms of elixir resources. Economy just got a lot more scarce.

You people don't seem to realise this:

If this update would make elixir "just as scarce as gold", then what is the problem? People manage to get by with scarce gold, so I'm sure they can with elixir too. I farm enough gold in a casual day's playing to upgrade at least one TH9 defence. That's not even hardcore grinding either.

Geez guys, when you upgrade TH there aren't all that many lab upgrades to do when compared to defence upgrades. Get over it for god's sake.

When you reach th9, clan wars either cost a ton of lix(mass drag) or a ton of de/lix(gowiwi or gowipe)
so you will run out of lix quick or you wont be able to use the troops you worked hard to upgrade.



Yes your our walls will get done faster but at what cost. You will never be able to farm out your lvl6 archers and your camps will be tough to farm out also. Forget about lvl4 drags, lvl345 pekka

lix will dry up and you will be even more dependent on dead base collector raids.

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

Common sense dictates this will be the bigger one of the sneak peeks. You're actually being ridiculous, pointing towards potential updates to justify a current update. You're making stuff up in orde to justify. They cannot introduce new major loot adaptations as it would upset the economy way too much in too little time.

If you call people ridiculous, take a look at your own reasoning first. Which is in this case worth nothing.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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My point is, do people really think that SuperCell has not thought over how this will affect the loot system? If you want to talk common sense then use it before you post. Common sense dictates that the company that created the game has more knowledge of it than you do and will do something to balance the loot system.

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Originally Posted by Eash

Pls leave your mines/collectors out of range of defences

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I would never leave my collectors out of range of my def. the day i quit they are going inside and storages out so you ppl can work for it (for the 2 weeks you can actually find my base before the matchmaking makes it impossible to find).

I think this update will benefits more to new players rather than old players..

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Originally Posted by zombieslayer1234566

You guys upgraded your walls after working really hard to get that gold . GOOD JOB !! This doesn't mean that everyone else has to do it too. The game just doesn't revolve around the high levs the lower levels have the right to get some new stuff too. And they havnt even released all the sneak peeks yet you can't judge it right now.

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You're right you do have the right as well. Now go and work for it like we did

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Originally Posted by demonak47

You people don't seem to realise this:

If this update would make elixir "just as scarce as gold", then what is the problem? People manage to get by with scarce gold, so I'm sure they can with elixir too. I farm enough gold in a casual day's playing to upgrade at least one TH9 defence. That's not even hardcore grinding either.

Geez guys, when you upgrade TH there aren't all that many lab upgrades to do when compared to defence upgrades. Get over it for god's sake.

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Come to think of it, you made me realized that I need to grind more elixir now just to max my troops in the lab. I mean, those that cost 8mil before the update. I'm pretty worried that it wouldn't be easy to farm elixir right after the update. TH10 has few troop that cost max elixirs :D

Upgrading walls with elixir doesn't make sense, but who cares. This will reduce loot in economy and make bases harder to raid, but it's fine I guess. Upgrading multiple walls at once, although it's for convenience, I don't like the idea, no idea why XD. 1a is pretty cool. I was expecting a wall price reduction, but I guess this won't be bad either, but I don't see myself using lix for walls anywhere in the near future.

I think this is great elixir on walls.

i just think it should be lvl9+ walls....Pretty much meaning, once maxed th10 upgrades you can spend your elixir on something! I dont think it should be from lvl6+

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Originally Posted by Yankees

You're right you do have the right as well. Now go and work for it like we did

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What makes you think it will not take work still? No one is going to casually get level 11 walls. It will still take a tremendous amount of time and effort, especially once you see what happens to the elixir economy.

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Originally Posted by Yankees

I would never leave my collectors out of range of my def. the day i quit they are going inside and storages out so you ppl can work for it (for the 2 weeks you can actually find my base before the matchmaking makes it impossible to find).

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Same here. ........

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Originally Posted by kbergou21

My point is, do people really think that SuperCell has not thought over how this will affect the loot system? If you want to talk common sense then use it before you post. Common sense dictates that the company that created the game has more knowledge of it than you do and will do something to balance the loot system.

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Like the loot downgrade of December? I see you're a TH8 - please refrain from posting stuff you don't know about.

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Originally Posted by Awness

I'm a bit bothered by your statement regarding players who are vets vs noobs who have just picked up the game recently.

The years put into this game to progress by long time players, can now be 'cut short' in just a few months for new players?

It's like saying..'I won't download that game from SC. I'll wait two years from now so that when I start, I'll be the same level with the number 1 player in a short few months since SC caters to new players'...I feel somehow, this is not right.

Make the lower levels earn it. They need to work hard for it. I can even upgrade my blue crystal walls just from my collectors alone.

I would rather have SC concentrate on THs 8 & 9 to move them faster to being a maxed TH 10, NOT the whole gang because this is where the true grind starts.

But then again, that's my opinion on this...

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No, that's not what I mean at all! I'm defending small (in the grand scheme of things), incremental changes that bring some hope to newer players. I'm NOT advocating that it should get so extreme that's it's better not to play, or to start later. Reducing a WT upgrade from 14 days to 12, or making walls 20% (please don't get focused on this number, I'm making it up) easier to upgrade are the kind of changes I'm referring to, not anything that allows "noobs" to catch up to vets quickly.

And my argument assumes a comparison of a "noob" and a vet who put in the exact same amount of work, plays the exact same amount if time, etc. Who should max out first? The vet, obviously. Who should max out more quickly (from the time they first downloaded the app)? The noob IMO, otherwise they would have no way to catch up to the vet, even while putting in equal time and effort, at least not until the vet maxes out (although I personally believe updates shouldn't let people be maxed for long).

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Originally Posted by Pete82

What makes you think it will not take work still? No one is going to casually get level 11 walls. It will still take a tremendous amount of time and effort, especially once you see what happens to the elixir economy.

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I agree this is going to have a major impact on the elx economy but for all you th7's 8's and 9's you will still have plenty of inactive collector raids to go after which will make ug walls much easier

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Originally Posted by Pete82

How are you comparing 2 years to months now? Have build times changed?

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No, the longest part of this game is upgrading walls and heroes. Other structures and defences are easy to max at each level. Now that walls can be upgraded using gold or elix this will cut the time in half. I am a maxed TH9 a few months ago and took a break. If I continued to TH 10, and with this new update, I will be a maxed TH10 in less than a year.

Sure this is bad for those who have been working on their walls, I only have 50ish lv 10 walls so it doesn't affect me as hard, but I still liked the grind of getting the walls so the harder the better for me to a certain degree of course. For those not liking the update do realize you are a small minority and since alot of people feel entitled to high level walls they would get it eventually. This update is definitely already has the approval of 80% or more of the clash player base, Supercell definitely did their job here. The major concern and rightfully so is elixir scarcity. This is only sneak peak one so their MIGHT be a loot system overhaul as well, but right now the worry about farming elixir is pretty apt.

The problem is not the elixir on walls. The problem is that soon there will be NO elixir like now there is no gold. Same story different resource. Supercell swing make walls able to be upgraded without builder cause everyone would use their gold. It's the same situation. They will use both gold and elixir now.

Now plsyers can dump there elixir and gold into walls b4 getting off! Way to make loot even worse

I don't post much, but I gotta say SC cannot catch a break. Everyone complains about how elix is useless then they give us a use and everyone ♥♥♥♥♥es. I just grinded out my lvl8 walls while sitting on overflow elixer. It would have been nice to have this then, but for f@ck sakes they are trying to make the game better and everyone just complains.

You CANNOT make a change in the game without it negatively effecting someone. But they are trying to move the game forward for everyone.

Wont having people dump both elix and gold on walls ruin the economy?

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Originally Posted by Pete82

Sorry, but you insulted me first, so I responded. In no way I am trolling you. I 100% agree that maxed bases need more updates/upgrades. I'm approaching the end of my defense upgrades too, and I know I'll be bored once that happens.

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Really? So responding to a comment with "nobody cares" is not insulting?

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Originally Posted by kbergou21

My point is, do people really think that SuperCell has not thought over how this will affect the loot system? If you want to talk common sense then use it before you post. Common sense dictates that the company that created the game has more knowledge of it than you do and will do something to balance the loot system.

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Has SC thought about improving the hogs so big time that they ridiculously overpowered? Has SC thought about nerfing the hogs to a barely usable troop? Has SC thought introducing the witches whom were so OP that they could 3* bases with ease? Has SC thought about the effect of introducing TH9 and TH10 shortly after one another? Has SC thought about the huge changes to royals making them half as strong as before? Has SC thought about the loot system which worked great at first but seems to lack again?

You tell me what the answers are to those questions if you were even around when all of this happened.

Common sense dictates exactly the opposite. It shows that people are not just taking everything that is being said to them for granted. They use something, i.e. common sense, to use information and thus come to their conclusions. Common sense does not dictate to listen to a company and accept everything they said just because they are the company that produces the game... Please.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

Super Nice Update cannot wait when will updated

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Originally Posted by Chap22054

Now plsyers can dump there elixir and gold into walls b4 getting off! Way to make loot even worse

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That's what I'm saying. We should be worried for a few days, the problem will be visible after a couple of weeks where the forum will be flooding of bad loot threads

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Originally Posted by ZombieProcess

Really? So responding to a comment with "nobody cares" is not insulting?

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My quote was nobody cares that "you" (as in anyone) has played for 2 years. Perhaps I should be more clear. What I meant is that 2 years of playing the game does not grant you special privileges. It simply grants you 2 years of playing the game. A previous poster had suggested their 2 years was wasted as a result of recent changes. I don't think it is wasted at all. You had fun, and your base is more advanced.

You responed to that quote out of context, mentioning that I "must not have spent much time on the game" and of course automatically dismissing my opinion.

True, there is a threat that there will be even less resources, since everyone will dump everything in walls.

But don't be too quick to judge. If everyone would be droping all of the gold in walls, I wouldn't be findng 200+ gold raids on a regular basis. If some of the extra elixir is used for walls, perhaps there will be MORE gold left.

Also, not everyone will dump all of their elix in walls, since we need elix for raiding and wars.

It could just as well be a good move, we will have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

Has SC thought about improving the hogs so big time that they ridiculously overpowered? Has SC thought about nerfing the hogs to a barely usable troop? Has SC thought introducing the witches whom were so OP that they could 3* bases with ease? Has SC thought about the effect of introducing TH9 and TH10 shortly after one another? Has SC thought about the huge changes to royals making them half as strong as before? Has SC thought about the loot system which worked great at first but seems to lack again?

You tell me what the answers are to those questions if you were even around when all of this happened.

Common sense dictates exactly the opposite. It shows that people are not just taking everything that is being said to them for granted. They use something, i.e. common sense, to use information and thus come to their conclusions. Common sense does not dictate to listen to a company and accept everything they said just because they are the company that produces the game... Please.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Couldn't agree more. My guess is many of the ppl posting were not around when these things occurred.

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

Has SC thought about improving the hogs so big time that they ridiculously overpowered? Has SC thought about nerfing the hogs to a barely usable troop? Has SC thought introducing the witches whom were so OP that they could 3* bases with ease? Has SC thought about the effect of introducing TH9 and TH10 shortly after one another? Has SC thought about the huge changes to royals making them half as strong as before? Has SC thought about the loot system which worked great at first but seems to lack again?

You tell me what the answers are to those questions if you were even around when all of this happened.

Common sense dictates exactly the opposite. It shows that people are not just taking everything that is being said to them for granted. They use something, i.e. common sense, to use information and thus come to their conclusions. Common sense does not dictate to listen to a company and accept everything they said just because they are the company that produces the game... Please.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Let's not conflate SC thinking over changes and those changes being in a player's best interest. SC is pretty good at being a business, and there are very few moves they have made that show a complete lack of thought. Sometimes moves are made not to make players happy, but to keep the business model going and to future-proof their games. This doesn't mean they aren't thinking these things through meticulously.

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

Has SC thought about improving the hogs so big time that they ridiculously overpowered? Has SC thought about nerfing the hogs to a barely usable troop? Has SC thought introducing the witches whom were so OP that they could 3* bases with ease? Has SC thought about the effect of introducing TH9 and TH10 shortly after one another? Has SC thought about the huge changes to royals making them half as strong as before? Has SC thought about the loot system which worked great at first but seems to lack again?

You tell me what the answers are to those questions if you were even around when all of this happened.

Common sense dictates exactly the opposite. It shows that people are not just taking everything that is being said to them for granted. They use something, i.e. common sense, to use information and thus come to their conclusions. Common sense does not dictate to listen to a company and accept everything they said just because they are the company that produces the game... Please.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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What he said ♥♥♥♥
i think that noob just got burned lol

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Originally Posted by Yankees

You're right you do have the right as well. Now go and work for it like we did

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What makes you think that we won't have to work for it? Don't act like its gonna get super easy to reach lvl 11 walls it will still require good amount of time and effort.

With the live replays we really need to see how much time is left

Ooo walls costing elixir...

Upgrading walls with elixir hmmm... this will definitely help people upgrading walls faster, but now people can dump all their gold AND their elixir into walls. Nowadays, no one can find any gold, and with this update, we won't be able to find any gold OR elixir. SC said they would improve the economy in this update. So far, I don't see how that will happen. The only thing that will help this game at the moment is level 12 mines and pumps. Anyway, now I'm ready for the skull grind :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Let's not conflate SC thinking over changes and those changes being in a player's best interest. SC is pretty good at being a business, and there are very few moves they have made that show a complete lack of thought. Sometimes moves are made not to make players happy, but to keep the business model going and to future-proof their games. This doesn't mean they aren't thinking these through meticulously.

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Being successful from a shareholder's perspective is completely different from being successful from a player's perspective. I have a lack of knowledge about their business and their exact model, but from a player's perspective the aforementioned remarks still stand. Some balls were dropped lately, and this is yet another one.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Originally Posted by Manyolo

The problem is not the elixir on walls. The problem is that soon there will be NO elixir like now there is no gold. Same story different resource. Supercell swing make walls able to be upgraded without builder cause everyone would use their gold. It's the same situation. They will use both gold and elixir now.

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LOL! Same story different resource. Same poop different toilet:)

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Originally Posted by jibninjas

I don't post much, but I gotta say SC cannot catch a break. Everyone complains about how elix is useless then they give us a use and everyone ♥♥♥♥♥es.

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I don't see a problem with complain to make elixir more useful while complaining about it being spent on elixir. For one thing, people who complain about the 2nd problem might never have been complaining about the first one. The forum isn't 1 collective person with the same desires.

Also, what if SuperCell decided to allow everything to be upgraded with elixir? Very few people would want that and this idea takes the elixir spending too far.

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Let's not conflate SC thinking over changes and those changes being in a player's best interest. SC is pretty good at being a business, and there are very few moves they have made that show a complete lack of thought. Sometimes moves are made not to make players happy, but to keep the business model going and to future-proof their games. This doesn't mean they aren't thinking these things through meticulously.

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Exactly what I thought. Shame I only got to 5k subs.

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Originally Posted by FrostbyteGaming

Upgrading walls with elixir hmmm... this will definitely help people upgrading walls faster, but now people can dump all their gold AND their elixir into walls. Nowadays, no one can find any gold, and with this update, we won't be able to find any gold OR elixir. SC said they would improve the economy in this update. So far, I don't see how that will happen. The only thing that will help this game at the moment is level 12 mines and pumps. Anyway, now I'm ready for the skull grind :rolleyes:

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Even another lvl on pumps or even a minor loot bonus boost wont help the economy...

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

I did it to show other players it could be done.

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Then that wasn't a very good reason was it?
You used that year on your own. Bad way to use it and now others can waste their time faster?
Pfft.

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Originally Posted by Pete82

My quote was nobody cares that "you" (as in anyone) has played for 2 years. Perhaps I should be more clear. What I meant is that 2 years of playing the game does not grant you special privileges. It simply grants you 2 years of playing the game. A previous poster had suggested their 2 years was wasted as a result of recent changes. I don't think it is wasted at all. You had fun, and your base is more advanced.

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I played for a long time and had fun doing it, yes. But to say that's some sort of advantage simply isn't true (and that's my point). This change to walls allowing new players to catch up with old even faster is yet one more example.

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

Being successful from a shareholder's perspective is completely different from being successful from a player's perspective. I have a lack of knowledge about their business and their exact model, but from a player's perspective the aforementioned remarks still stand. Some balls were dropped lately, and this is yet another one.

King Midas
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Yes, I was just saying you were combining those two issues. Saying SC shows a lack of thought may be true from one of those perspectives, but it is rarely/never true for both.

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Originally Posted by CashClash22

Then that wasn't a very good reason was it?
You used that year on your own. Bad way to use it and now others can waste their time faster?
Pfft.

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Yes. Inspiring people is a waste of time.

"Don't worry, it's not what you think."

Yes, this is worse than we thought...

Lol getting lvl 8 walls just got a lot easier :)

The real question is: Why supercell is getting lazy :confused:

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

Yes. Inspiring people is a waste of time.

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Inspiring people?
To spend all day on CoC?
You've got to be kidding me.
Don't complain because of a decision you made.
This update doesn't change the fact that you lost a year of your life on CoC.

:D Great news, really like this one, my condolences go out to those players who have worked so hard on their walls, try to hold back the emotions until you have seen the complete update contents.

Supercell much kudos on this one, i only hope loot improvement is on the update too, and something for the maxed out players to be happy about, I'm sure you have factored in balance into your next update like you always try to do.

No I'm not a fan boy, the last update did nothing for me personally, I'm just giving credit where credit is due when I think it needs saying, you can please some people sometimes, but you cant please all the people all the time.

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Originally Posted by Manyolo

Even another lvl on pumps or even a minor loot bonus boost wont help the economy...

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Economy shomonomy... Everyone complains about lack of gold...i have farmed for 2 yrs and never had a problem with finding gold...and im sure after this i will not have a problem finding elixir either......yes there have been some bad times, but overall its fine to me.

just make it lvl 9 or 10+ walls for elixir so th10 guys with nothing to spend elixir on can do walls...i do agree with a few ppl saying. Make noobs earn there walls like we did!!! Couldnt agree more

Lets pretend that I haven't already farmed all legos and 156 lava walls for a moment. Let's pretend I'm super excited for this update so that I can actually do so now... How about all the players above me...who already have?? How about those guys that spent hours a day working on something to differentiate them from the crowd and the average as the elite farmers of the game?

I am now a th10 with the walls mentioned above. I upgraded my town hall last week. For the previous FOUR MONTHS my elixir vats were completely full with nothing to spend it on while I did walls. I would be done with lavas and I would be on to zaps by now....

So how am I going to be compensated for my hard work? With a reduction in the value of my walls. :( Because now, they aren't impressive anymore. Walls were what distinguished the elite players from the great players. And now, what is there? All that work.... Gone...

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Originally Posted by CashClash22

Inspiring people?
To spend all day on CoC?
You've got to be kidding me.
Don't complain because of a decision you made.
This update doesn't change the fact that you lost a year of your life on CoC.

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You do realize you aren't writing a poem? You can put the sentences on the same line.

well this is officially the END of clash !!! from now no one can find anything as every noob dump all their resources to their walls and after a month we have to farm villages with lvl 9- 10 walls in gold league !
Big slap in the face for those farmers and gemmers with lvl 11 walls ...
sad day :(

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

You do realize you aren't writing a poem? You can put the sentences on the same line.

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Yes, make a pointless argument about how I type instead of answering. Kudos. :rolleyes:

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Yes, make a pointless argument about how I type instead of answering. Kudos. :rolleyes:

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You clearly value different things and I have always regarded you as someone whose opinion is unimportant to me so it's really not worth my time to make real arguments. You're retired. Stay retired.

Not liking this at all. It's going to kill the economy. Your going to have stronger defenses so your going to need stronger offense which will be a lot harder to pay for. Clan wars is going to take a drastic dump. Now a lot of people are going to be using cheap armies instead of the best they have because it will be harder to pay for. High end troops donations are going to be long gone in general. As a mid to late TH8 I am always overflowing in elixir and am completely OK with that. Walls are a sign of dedication and accomplishment. At this point they may as well just do away with either gold or elixir and just make it once resource. Early TH9 is going to be a serious grind now. I'm struggling to see a way they can balance the economy out now. Instead of it being tough to find gold it's going to be tough to find anything. BE farming is going to be a lot more difficult now as well with elixir being a lot more valuable.

It wont affect colectors raids.

It's a great day to be a nearly-maxed TH8 with half skulls!

I'm so excited I moved my lix storages inside the walls tonight.

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Yes, I was just saying you were combining those two issues. Saying SC shows a lack of thought may be true from one of those perspectives, but it is rarely/never true for both.

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Actually, now I come to think of it, this exact sneak peek is horrible from BOTH perspectives. Let me explain:

Business perspective: Older players whom have spend a lot and have not shown a decrease in spending so far will be upset which has a negative effect on their expenditure on gems. Aside of that, elixir and gold costs the exact same gems. You do not push people to more spending on elixir or gold, as the gem cost (which is real money), is just the same. Gemmers are not attracted by this difference, so they won't sell more... On the contrary, they feel a bit ripped off.

Players perspective: SC is trading older players for newer players and make it twice as easy for them to get where the older players are now. Giving benefits to the one and not to the other.

To pull in a law term, this could be seen as discrimination instead of differentiation. Discrimination is treating people differently without any legit grounds while differentiation is treating people differently on legit grounds. You tell me what is happening.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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Originally Posted by titancute

I think this update will benefits more to new players rather than old players..

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Supercell's main goal as a business is to:

1) Keep the majority of their current customer base playing and purchasing gems
2) Attract new customers to the game.

Now who is the "majority" in clash of clans? Lower level players (THs 5-8) and underdeveloped players (THs 8-10). How do they keep this "majority" happy and how do they keep them playing the game?

Its not rocket science... Its simple business strategy.

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

You clearly value different things and I have always regarded you as someone whose opinion is unimportant to me so it's really not worth my time to make real arguments. You're retired. Stay retired.

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Don't even know how to respond to that...
I'll post when I feel it's due. But this argument can stop.

I'm laughing so much at people who say this will kill the economy. Don't you think Supercell the developers of this game have thought of that.
I'm think huge right now but in my guess:
- More collecters levels
- Some sort of goblin singleplayer map that you can attack everyday, just like the respawning npc's in bb.
- Npc bases in searching.

Awesome update so far, looking forward to the rest!

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Yes, I was just saying you were combining those two issues. Saying SC shows a lack of thought may be true from one of those perspectives, but it is rarely/never true for both.

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Lets face it...SC care about SC's pocket which is normal....but lately they have been hurting their pocket in my view. Soon ppl wont be staying if not to careful....doesnt take much to make a great game bad.
Look at Barcelona....best players in the world....new coach changing stuff that was working great and now they cant win a game lol

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

Wrong metaphor.

You are referring to a gradual change in technology. ALL people have access to these improvements, EVERYONE. Not just persons who used slower computers, but others as well. They can use the advantages equally. In this sneak peek, people are being treated differently. Only a SELECT FEW get access to these advantages, NOT EVERYONE.

To improve your metaphor: one person starts a task on a slow computer and someone else starts the same task on a a tiny bit faster computer. Nevertheless, the speed of the computer affects a certain calculation on which the first person had to spend way more time compared to the second person.

King Midas
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Everyone gets access, apart from the incredibly small number who have fully maxed walls. Everyone gets equal access here, and those few with maxed walls will appreciate it when they have to grind lv 12 walls.

And you're actually still corroborating the point. Its making it faster for new players, letting them catch up faster- but existing players still have the advantage. Wall farming was always too big of a grind, and unbalanced resources completely. This restores parity to gold and elixir, and will benefit the playerbase long term.

Regardless of what anyone says, this is not unfair to ANYONE. The hero/hog nerf could be considered unfair, since your troops were actually weakened. Walls have not been weakened, they were just made more accessible.

And you're right- a better metaphor here is someone buying an expensive car the day it comes out, then complaining when the price is reduced later on because he had to pay full price and now more people can afford it. Terrible argument.

Elixir for walls,fine. New hero, fine. New TH, fine. SC wants a sample of my brain tissue, fine.
Since the last update, I resigned myself to just seeing if I can adapt to the new changes and whether the game remains fun for me.
Seems SC will follow whatever plan they have in mind.

Isn't that a nice change of pace from most of this thread?

This might even fix the people whining about mass drags in clan wars. After all, how many people will still mass drag when that elixir could be put into walls instead.

I'm already loving the new update!

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It wont affect colectors raids.

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Yeah... And I feel uncomfortable with my EE being about 100 mil lower than my GG...

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Originally Posted by Arrow1993

Has SC thought about improving the hogs so big time that they ridiculously overpowered? Has SC thought about nerfing the hogs to a barely usable troop? Has SC thought introducing the witches whom were so OP that they could 3* bases with ease? Has SC thought about the effect of introducing TH9 and TH10 shortly after one another? Has SC thought about the huge changes to royals making them half as strong as before? Has SC thought about the loot system which worked great at first but seems to lack again?

You tell me what the answers are to those questions if you were even around when all of this happened.

Common sense dictates exactly the opposite. It shows that people are not just taking everything that is being said to them for granted. They use something, i.e. common sense, to use information and thus come to their conclusions. Common sense does not dictate to listen to a company and accept everything they said just because they are the company that produces the game... Please.

King Midas
Insurgence Family

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A ton of others as well...

that gem box glitch? ♥♥♥ was up with that
Valkerie- making a troop that is useless?
leaving your townhall outside of base is a legit strategy, im sure they thought that one through right

No one from my clan thinks this elixir wall dumping will be positive for coc. However, sometimes I think, the more the community complains or hates a change, the more supercell will force it on is and not alter the change, i think there is ego involved that they know what is best for is and we need to shut up and take it

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Originally Posted by SetPT

It wont affect colectors raids.

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Which is sort of a bad thing. It makes less skilled raids more popular and makes the game less strategy based because it's not worth it to hit the lower storages behind higher walls