Min/Max power play clash of clans, Fastest journey to the top

I've always been a power player in every game I've played. I would always play a game twice from start and the second time try to figure the fastest way to the top. When I picked up clash of clans in March 2014, naturally I looked for guides on how to play this game efficiently. After countless forum posts, youtube videos, I've came across Sharonsym's thread http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...Premie-Journey. It makes so much sense and I went about rushing my TH following his advice.

So far it has worked great. My BK is going to 15 and my AQ going to 16. Both of my heroes being upgraded constantly. I'm able to 3 star much harder opponents in war and able to keep my resources much easier. If I maxed everything I would only be a mid way TH8 now and lv10 BK no AQ, getting smashed by lv6 troops daily.

But since this was my first time around, my understanding of this game was limited and I didn't truly min/max or take the fastest way to the top. As an experiment, I started again and this time I will try to progress as fast as possible.

Things I did which I regret now
- upgrade some troops that I never use now such as gob, healer
- Neglected spells and ballonion
- Spent too long on lower TH maxing before finding Sharon's thread
- Not getting 5 builders right away

Upgrade plan for this time around
1. Offense and troops
2. Resource buildings
3. Defense

Only things that you REALLY need to advance to TH10 and farm resources successfully are Barbs, Archers, Balloons, Minions, Heal, Rage, Lightning spells, so I will time my TH upgrade to finish once those things are maxed except minions. Farming DE is time consuming at low TH. This should give me plenty of times to upgrade army buildings at each TH.

Farming plans
- Barch th2-10 with focus on elixir and DE, since defense is last priority no focus on gold
- Ballonion th10 after all elixir buildings are built

Clan War plans
- TH6 Lv5 hogs in CC and heal spell + healers
- Th7 Lv1 dragons
-Th8+ Ballonion

Gem usage
- Only use gems earned in game, no more money spent other than the initial $30
- Finish Lab upgrade time at each new th once I have enough elixir to upgrade troops (and enough gems)
- Boost barracks to farm

Defense Plan
- Get 3 starred every night and ride 16hr shield, while keeping resources low
- Farm in 2hr sessions at least without logging off
- Get 3 starred in every clan war but earn 6stars back from 2 attacks

Why Rush TH?
- Currently, inferno towers are extremely OP compared to any other defenses. Most people rather attack maxed TH9 than premmie TH10 with infernos for loot.
- You will be much more "useful" to your clan with higher level troop donation and can 3 star bases whose owner spent longer playing than you in clan wars. While not match your clan vs tougher opponents due to your low defenses.
- Max offense faster. Biggest grind on offense are the heroes and for the fastest way to the top means you must start the grind as soon as possible.

Please no advice to not rush TH, the purpose of this thread is an experiment on min/max and fastest way to the top. People who disagree with rushing feel free to play this game as you see fit. This thread is intended for anyone interested to follow my experimental progress

ewww...no. Rushing is NOT good. It decreases your loot in the long run, plus makes you easier to beat.

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

I've always been a power player in every game I've played. I would always play a game twice from start and the second time try to figure the fastest way to the top. When I picked up clash of clans in March 2014, naturally I looked for guides on how to play this game efficiently. After countless forum posts, youtube videos, I've came across Sharonsym's thread http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...Premie-Journey. It makes so much sense and I went about rushing my TH following his advice.

So far it has worked great. My BK is going to 15 and my AQ going to 16. Both of my heroes being upgraded constantly. I'm able to 3 star much harder opponents in war and able to keep my resources much easier. If I maxed everything I would only be a mid way TH8 now and lv10 BK no AQ, getting smashed by lv6 troops daily.

But since this was my first time around, my understanding of this game was limited and I didn't truly min/max or take the fastest way to the top. As an experiment, I started again and this time I will try to progress as fast as possible.

Things I did which I regret now
- upgrade some troops that I never use now such as gob, healer
- Neglected spells and ballonion
- Spent too long on lower TH maxing before finding Sharon's thread

Upgrade plan for this time around
1. Offense and troops
2. Resource buildings
3. Defense

Only things that you REALLY need to advance to TH10 and farm resources successfully are Barbs, Archers, Balloons, Minions, Heal, Rage, Lightning spells, so I will time my TH upgrade to finish once those things are maxed except minions. Farming DE is time consuming at low TH. This should give me plenty of times to army buildings at each TH.

Farming plans
- Barch th2-10 with focus on elixir and DE, since defense is last priority no focus on gold
- Ballonion th10 after all elixir buildings are built

Clan War plans
- TH6 Lv5 hogs in CC and heal spell + healers
- Th7 Lv1 dragons
-Th8+ Ballonion

Gem usage
- Only use gems earned in game, no more money spent other than the initial $30
- Finish Lab upgrade time at each new th once I have enough elixir to upgrade troops (and enough gems)
- Boost barracks to farm

Defense Plan
- Get 3 starred every night and ride 16hr shield, while keeping resources low
- Farm in 2hr sessions at least without logging off
- Get 3 starred in every clan war but earn 6stars back from 2 attacks

Why Rush TH?
- Currently, inferno towers are extremely OP compared to any other defenses. Most people rather attack maxed TH9 than premmie TH10 with infernos for loot.
- You will be much more "useful" to your clan with higher level troop donation and can 3 star bases whose owner spent longer playing than you in clan wars. While not match your clan vs tougher opponents due to your low defenses.
- Max offense faster. Biggest grind on offense are the heroes and for the fastest way to the top means you must start the grind as soon as possible.

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and good plan

Started Wed Sep 3rd with 5 builders.

Currently TH5 with Barbs upgrading to lv3 in Lab that will finish today. Plan to stay at TH5 for 9 days.

I am very much like you in the way I approach games...

I wrote a newbie guide to min/max TH1-TH6 with this in mind and tested it on an alt account just as you are planning to do. Check it out, there may be some tips you can use in your journey...

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...n-to-clan-wars

If you like it or found it useful, give it a bump as it's gotten buried...

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

I've always been a power player in every game I've played. I would always play a game twice from start and the second time try to figure the fastest way to the top. When I picked up clash of clans in March 2014, naturally I looked for guides on how to play this game efficiently. After countless forum posts, youtube videos, I've came across Sharonsym's thread http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...Premie-Journey. It makes so much sense and I went about rushing my TH following his advice.

So far it has worked great. My BK is going to 15 and my AQ going to 16. Both of my heroes being upgraded constantly. I'm able to 3 star much harder opponents in war and able to keep my resources much easier. If I maxed everything I would only be a mid way TH8 now and lv10 BK no AQ, getting smashed by lv6 troops daily.

But since this was my first time around, my understanding of this game was limited and I didn't truly min/max or take the fastest way to the top. As an experiment, I started again and this time I will try to progress as fast as possible.

Things I did which I regret now
- upgrade some troops that I never use now such as gob, healer
- Neglected spells and ballonion
- Spent too long on lower TH maxing before finding Sharon's thread
- Not getting 5 builders right away

Upgrade plan for this time around
1. Offense and troops
2. Resource buildings
3. Defense

Only things that you REALLY need to advance to TH10 and farm resources successfully are Barbs, Archers, Balloons, Minions, Heal, Rage, Lightning spells, so I will time my TH upgrade to finish once those things are maxed except minions. Farming DE is time consuming at low TH. This should give me plenty of times to upgrade army buildings at each TH.

Farming plans
- Barch th2-10 with focus on elixir and DE, since defense is last priority no focus on gold
- Ballonion th10 after all elixir buildings are built

Clan War plans
- TH6 Lv5 hogs in CC and heal spell + healers
- Th7 Lv1 dragons
-Th8+ Ballonion

Gem usage
- Only use gems earned in game, no more money spent other than the initial $30
- Finish Lab upgrade time at each new th once I have enough elixir to upgrade troops (and enough gems)
- Boost barracks to farm

Defense Plan
- Get 3 starred every night and ride 16hr shield, while keeping resources low
- Farm in 2hr sessions at least without logging off
- Get 3 starred in every clan war but earn 6stars back from 2 attacks

Why Rush TH?
- Currently, inferno towers are extremely OP compared to any other defenses. Most people rather attack maxed TH9 than premmie TH10 with infernos for loot.
- You will be much more "useful" to your clan with higher level troop donation and can 3 star bases whose owner spent longer playing than you in clan wars. While not match your clan vs tougher opponents due to your low defenses.
- Max offense faster. Biggest grind on offense are the heroes and for the fastest way to the top means you must start the grind as soon as possible.

Please no advice to not rush TH, the purpose of this thread is an experiment on min/max and fastest way to the top. People who disagree with rushing feel free to play this game as you see fit. This thread is intended for anyone interested to follow my experimental progress

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I started again 2 days ago. How about do it again together in clan "Rushed One" :)

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Originally Posted by ForgiveMeNot

I started again 2 days ago. How about do it again together in clan "Rushed One" :)

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I would if weren't for keeping both accounts together and be able to donate lv6 giants to myself. I will visit the clan though.

clan wars have changed how clans operate, its more about how good your attacking skills are so I would rather take a premmie th10 who could 2 star other th10 constantly than a well developed th10 who is afraid because he barched his way to th10 by picking on dead bases and th below him.if you plan on rushing you Better have the skills to back up your high level th . rushed th9/8 get 3 starred easily so if you are rushed you better cancel out that 3 star and add 2/3 star with your second attack.if you in a war clan adopt quickly and be helpful because I have seen lack of skill from th10 destroy clans .nothing wrong with rushing overall if you are very active rushing is probably a good idea since you raid a lot

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Originally Posted by bossi

clan wars have changed how clans operate, its more about how good your attacking skills are so I would rather take a premmie th10 who could 2 star other th10 constantly than a well developed th10 who is afraid because he barched his way to th10 by picking on dead bases and th below him.if you plan on rushing you Better have the skills to back up your high level th . rushed th9/8 get 3 starred easily so if you are rushed you better cancel out that 3 star and add 2/3 star with your second attack.if you in a war clan adopt quickly and be helpful because I have seen lack of skill from th10 destroy clans .nothing wrong with rushing overall if you are very active rushing is probably a good idea since you raid a lot

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My rushed TH10 with low level defenses ppl couldn't even 3 starred it in cw, mostly 1 starred and few 2 starred.
Don't need max defenses to defend max th10 attacks

Rushed th bases are toxic to war efforts, easily get 3 starred, even with inferno towers... Started playing in March also, currently upgrading to th9....
The only way rushing can be useful is if you're actually good at attacking, and even at that, the base get beaten easily
My clan now has a rule of banning rushed bases, they always cost us in wars

I also realised that by the time I upgrade all my troops, I would have finished upgrading defences... And yes, I use all of them, except the healer.. I have 4 builders though

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

Rushed th bases are toxic to war efforts, easily get 3 starred, even with inferno towers... Started playing in March also, currently upgrading to th9....
The only way rushing can be useful is if you're actually good at attacking, and even at that, the base get beaten easily
My clan now has a rule of banning rushed bases, they always cost us in wars

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Not my rushed TH10, with mostly lvl4-6 defenses, lv1 infernoes, 2xlvl 1 xbow, 1 lvl 2 xbow, etc..., ppl only 1-2 starred my base in CW

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

Rushed th bases are toxic to war efforts, easily get 3 starred, even with inferno towers... Started playing in March also, currently upgrading to th9....
The only way rushing can be useful is if you're actually good at attacking, and even at that, the base get beaten easily
My clan now has a rule of banning rushed bases, they always cost us in wars

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If you're not good at attacking, you're just not good at this game period. Defending doesn't fill your storages with loot or earn your clan stars in wars. Which is why offense is more important than defense and all rushers emphasize offense.

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

Rushed th bases are toxic to war efforts, easily get 3 starred, even with inferno towers... Started playing in March also, currently upgrading to th9....
The only way rushing can be useful is if you're actually good at attacking, and even at that, the base get beaten easily
My clan now has a rule of banning rushed bases, they always cost us in wars

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While I agree that rushed TH are a red flag, I have seen fantastic results from TH rushers. I no longer auto refuse rushed TH, I take the time to look over their offense and if I see that they haven't been slacking on the O I'll give them an accept and interview them to pick their brain on attacking.

Yes, they may give up 3 stars but if they get back 6 stars it's a win.

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Originally Posted by Jietoh

While I agree that rushed TH are a red flag, I have seen fantastic results from TH rushers. I no longer auto refuse rushed TH, I take the time to look over their offense and if I see that they haven't been slacking on the O I'll give them an accept and interview them to pick their brain on attacking.

Yes, they may give up 3 stars but if they get back 6 stars it's a win.

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Wouldn't you rather have a strong th8 base that'll pull attacks from th9 and 10 bases and still get you 5 or 6 stars?
Besides this game takes experience and most of us learn from minor errors, mostly what rushers would never have.
Let's be honest here, over 90%Of rushers are very poor at attacking

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

If you're not good at attacking, you're just not good at this game period. Defending doesn't fill your storages with loot or earn your clan stars in wars. Which is why offense is more important than defense and all rushers emphasize offense.

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Earning stars is as important as preventing your opponents from earning stars..
Defence is as important as offense...
I Know the number of times I have to play safe and use my 2nd attack on a th7 base despite being a th8 player because the th7 players in our clan can't pick up 2 or 3 stars on other th7 bases...
A th8 base that won't lose 3 stars to other th8 bases but pull attacks from th9 and 10 players is very valuable

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Originally Posted by ForgiveMeNot

Not my rushed TH10, with mostly lvl4-6 defenses, lv1 infernoes, 2xlvl 1 xbow, 1 lvl 2 xbow, etc..., ppl only 1-2 starred my base in CW

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That's because they are poor at attacking...
Besides, the th10 bases in my clan that aren't rushed don't even lose stars at all in war. See the difference?

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

Earning stars is as important as preventing your opponents from earning stars..
Defence is as important as offense...
I Know the number of times I have to play safe and use my 2nd attack on a th7 base despite being a th8 player because the th7 players in our clan can't pick up 2 or 3 stars on other th7 bases...
A th8 base that won't lose 3 stars to other th8 bases but pull attacks from th9 and 10 players is very valuable

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You proved rushing is good.. You don't even have the option to play it safe if you're TH8 army and only bases left are TH8+ but you do have that option as a rushed TH9 as in you can go for other TH9 or easily 3 star TH8. I have not encountered a TH8 base that can prevent 3 starring from Lv6 balloons with 4 spells and 2 heroes. No matter how strong your defense is you're going to get 3 starred by a skilled attacker, yes maxed TH10 can be 3 starred.

Earning stars is more important that preventing stars because the number of stars you can earn is twice as many as the number of stars you can prevent. 6 is a bigger number than 3 it's that simple. Feel free to ask anyone do they rather have 6 stars added to their clan score or 3 subtracted from their opponent's score and I think we know what the answer will be. It's not that preventing stars is useless, its just less important. Hence it's called min/max not max/max, somethings must be sacrificed.

Anyways, the point of the thread is not to argue whether it is beneficial to rush TH. Most people already have their opinions about it.

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

That's because they are poor at attacking...
Besides, the th10 bases in my clan that aren't rushed don't even lose stars at all in war. See the difference?

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Can't all TH10 ppl from different CW we faced are poor at attacks :).
Another funny thing is ppl prefer attack unrushed TH10 than mine.

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

Let's be honest here, over 90%Of prematures are very poor at attacking

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Rushing is a completely different thing imo, because rushers have fore-knowledge and choose to rush because they understand the game.

premies upgrade their TH because they think it will get them better stuff.

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

Earning stars is as important as preventing your opponents from earning stars..
Defence is as important as offense...
I Know the number of times I have to play safe and use my 2nd attack on a th7 base despite being a th8 player because the th7 players in our clan can't pick up 2 or 3 stars on other th7 bases...
A th8 base that won't lose 3 stars to other th8 bases but pull attacks from th9 and 10 players is very valuable

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In troopers if our th8's cant 3 star another th8 then its either a bad day for them and another th8 will pick up the slack or its a new guy and he wont be staying.

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

That's because they are poor at attacking...
Besides, the th10 bases in my clan that aren't rushed don't even lose stars at all in war. See the difference?

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Your comparing this to your personal experience, not understanding how match making works.

Little Hulk is a TH9 with no defences. He ranks in under TH6s because his defence score is nothing. He has TH8 offence. So when he goes to war the opponent that he brings into the war is going to be around the same match making score that he has. So he brings in th6's most the time depending on the rest of the clans match making score.

A rushed TH10 is going to bring in people of a similar match making score, but they will not have his offence due to them most likely being premie not a rusher. So while the rusher might have Max TH10 GoWiPe the premie have lvl2 Go / L5 Wizard / L2 Pek(example). So when the rusher gets 3 starred so does the premie, when the premie attacks tho he doesn't have half the effectiveness as the rusher due to troop level (and most the time skill level)

So in the end, rushing has 0 effect in clan wars IF the rusher is a skilled attacker.

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

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Please no advice to not rush TH, the purpose of this thread is an experiment on min/max and fastest way to the top. People who disagree with rushing feel free to play this game as you see fit. This thread is intended for anyone interested to follow my experimental progress

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Nice thread, subbed.

Been 1 week since start. Currently TH5

- Maxed camps and storages
- Barch lv3, wb lv2, balloon lv2
- Collectors all lv7.
- Maxed walls

Lightning spells lv2 working in lab with 1 builder on barracks and 4 builders on collectors. Planning to start TH6 upgrade in 2 days since TH6 only has 5 days of lab upgrades but the time it take to finish upgrading TH to 7 is 6 days, plus need 1 day to upgrade storage before you can hold enough gold for the TH upgrade. Thus reducing the number of days needed in TH5 by 2 to 7 days.

Resources are easy to raid for and 3-4 raids will max out storages. Tips to anyone starting out is to max your barracks on early TH. You don't need to have all barracks available to easily max out resources and upgrading barracks is a huge pain later.

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

Been 1 week since start. Currently TH5

- Maxed camps and storages
- Barch lv3, wb lv2, balloon lv2
- Maxing mines and pumps
- Maxed walls

Lightning spells lv2 working in lab. Planning to start TH6 upgrade in 2 days since TH6 only has 5 days of lab upgrades but the time it take to finish upgrading TH to 7 is 6 days, plus need 1 day to upgrade storage before you can hold enough gold for the TH upgrade. Thus reducing the number of days needed in TH5 by 2 to 7 days.

Resources are easy to raid for and 3-4 raids will max out storages. Tips to anyone starting out is to max your barracks on early TH. You don't need to have all barracks available to easily max out resources and upgrading barracks is a huge pain later.

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Mine... 4 days, 3 builders, TH5, barch lv2, will go th6 asap once raid enough gold.. :)

p.s Don't try sub200!
I've made a mistake this morning, dropped to sub200 from 1100+ trophies range... Nothing good there, only encountered starter TH :(, i need to push again.

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Originally Posted by ForgiveMeNot

Mine... 4 days, 3 builders, TH5, barch lv2, will go th6 asap once raid enough gold.. :)

p.s Don't try sub200!
I've made a mistake this morning, dropped to sub200 from 1100+ trophies range... Nothing good there, only encountered starter TH :(, i need to push again.

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lol you're rushing faster than me.

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

lol you're rushing faster than me.

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Yes, i want to rush to TH9 asap, get max loon to farm TH9-10. :)
But i don't have enough time farming with mini and keep upgrading my main TH10 one, and do CW. hard to keep both going lol

2 Weeks with the new account now. TH finished upgrading to 6 yesterday. Lab still had 1 day of lightning spell lv4 left so did not upgrade that right away. Builders currently upgrading CC, elixir storage, gold storage, army camp and SF.

Plan to start TH7 and upgrade another camp as well as the lab today.

Low TH raiding is very easy, many poorly designed based. I only raid 3-4 time each day and able to fill my storages. I found that the best defense are the collectors. If you upgrade them, they basically produce more than you will get raided for. I only get raided twice a day, once in the morning before work when I break shield on purpose and once before I go to bed. Defensive buildings are way over rated, I haven't changed my base design since TH4 with low defenses and kept full storages many times. Still the collectors were able to produce more than what I lose. My elixir pumps are 1 lv9 and rest lv8 and gold mines 2 lv8 rest lv7, not even close to being maxed.

To anyone that thinks rushed TH will have problems "defending" think again..

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

2 Weeks with the new account now. TH finished upgrading to 6 yesterday. Lab still had 1 day of lightning spell lv4 left so did not upgrade that right away. Builders currently upgrading CC, elixir storage, gold storage, army camp and SF.

Plan to start TH7 and upgrade another camp as well as the lab today.

Low TH raiding is very easy, many poorly designed based. I only raid 3-4 time each day and able to fill my storages. I found that the best defense are the collectors. If you upgrade them, they basically produce more than you will get raided for. I only get raided twice a day, once in the morning before work when I break shield on purpose and once before I go to bed. Defensive buildings are way over rated, I haven't changed my base design since TH4 with low defenses and kept full storages many times. Still the collectors were able to produce more than what I lose. My elixir pumps are 1 lv9 and rest lv8 and gold mines 2 lv8 rest lv7, not even close to being maxed.

To anyone that thinks rushed TH will have problems "defending" think again..

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My 1 week old mini acct finished TH6 upgrade yesterday and went Th7 right away :)
With only 3 builders is hard to upgrade all the offenses first, so my camps is falling behind.. my camps cap. is 135 now.

My plan is reach TH9 asap to get Loon Lv6, so my upgrade priorities are :
- TH (upgrade none stop),
- Gold storages (enough to store the gold needed for next TH upgrade),
- Elixir storages (enough to store for the next Lab upgrade),
- Lab (main research are Archers, balloon, barbs, healing spell)
- Camp: max it if possible
- build the minimium: walls, defenses, collector & mines (fast upgrade to keep the builders busy while farming rss for the importatn upgrade mentioned above)

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Originally Posted by ForgiveMeNot

My 1 week old mini acct finished TH6 upgrade yesterday and it's going Th7 right away :)
With only 3 builders is hard to upgrade all the offenses first, so my camps is falling behind.. my camps cap. is 135 now.

My plan is reach TH9 asap to get Loon Lv6, so my upgrade priorities are :
- TH (upgrade none stop),
- Gold storages (enough to store the gold needed for next TH upgrade),
- Elixir storages (enough to store for the next Lab upgrade),
- Lab (main research are Archers, balloon, barbs, healing spell)
- Camp: max it if possible
- build the minimium: walls, defenses, collector & mines (fast upgrade to keep the builders busy while farming rss for the importatn upgrade mentioned above)

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You won't be able to upgrade TH non stop at TH7! barch, loon, heal is 12 days worth of lab upgrades, you might want rage too that's another 5 days. I'm planning to stay th7 for 17 days for all those.

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

You won't be able to upgrade TH non stop at TH7! barch, loon, heal is 12 days worth of lab upgrades, you might want rage too that's another 5 days. I'm planning to stay th7 for 17 days for all those.

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I only want loon to max. & lv4-5 healing spell ... barch is only for farming to get max loons, so not important... i don't need rage when using loons.. I can 3 stars TH8-9 using loonions with healing spells

Week 3 as of today. Finished TH7 upgrade yesterday. Finally can farm properly with 4 racks :). Plan to stay in TH7 for a total of 17 days so I will start TH8 upgrade in 8 days time.

Left TH6 with
- max barracks
- max camps
- lv3 balloon, lv3 Heal, Lv2 Wiz
- all pumps lv9 all mines lv8
- about half pink walls rest gold
- max gold and elixir storages
- TH4 defense:rolleyes:

currently upgrading archers to lv4 in lab, builders working on new camp, SF, 3 elixir pumps.

Still absolutely no problems building up resources. I had max 2 million elixir for about a day and a half and farmed with 1 barracks, without boosting, to get it all without defense. Defense buildings seems to have no impact on progression in this game. Lets see if this changes as the experiment goes on to higher TH.

Why max barracks? You only need to make barbs and archers

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Originally Posted by InfoTrans

Why max barracks? You only need to make barbs and archers

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You want to queue up barracks to train 240 slots of troops while you log off eventually. Upgrading them early is best since you can keep all builders busy with little resources compare to later TH.

This is a great thread. I like the distinction made between "rushers" and "premies." It really makes a lot of sense.

It's definitely making me reconsider the time frame for my eventual move to TH10.

Nice work, guys. Keep it going!

really wonderful thread!

It makes me want to start a mini and rush now too! Especially since i "know" what's going on now.. when i first started, i had no idea what i was doing and made many many mistakes.

Noob question tho: if i want to start a mini, do i literally need another phone/ipod/ipad?

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Originally Posted by Defeater

really wonderful thread!

It makes me want to start a mini and rush now too! Especially since i "know" what's going on now.. when i first started, i had no idea what i was doing and made many many mistakes.

Noob question tho: if i want to start a mini, do i literally need another phone/ipod/ipad?

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I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. Though I think you can delete and start over... I won't be taking that option anytime soon, personally, even though the idea of a mini seems like fun.

OP, i definitely like your plan and agree that for this experiment a TH rush is required, but to a certain degree.

While all the reasons not to rush have been listed countless times, there is an advantage to rushing that you did well to point out:

"Most people rather attack maxed TH9 than premmie TH10 with infernos for loot."

I believe rushing to TH8 is great, but no further than here. At TH8 you have access to raid collectors on 7's, 8's, and 9's allowing 1+mil/hr farming. This type of farming can allow easy catch up on defenses. More importantly, although it's easy for a TH9 to smash any TH8, the same goes for TH10's raiding a TH9. The difference is that TH8 are mostly protected from TH10's and it is much easier to gain loot off of a TH9 than it would be for a TH9 getting loot off of a TH10 - allowing a higher farming ceiling.

Furthermore, the troops at TH8 are quite powerful for farming as well as clan wars
Farming: lvl 5 barch
Clan wars:lvl 5 wiz, lvl 3 drag, lvl 5 loons

Moving past TH8 wouldn't be wise for the reasons mentioned above, at this TH level one can quickly catch up on defensive units and walls and mostly protect oneself from being raided by 9's - if you keep 4 builders busy at all times and dump gold/elixir to walls when not needing to save for an upgrade you should remain outside of a typical TH9 raid target throughout the majority of your stay at this TH level - ensuring a fast catch up and transition to TH9 when completed.

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Originally Posted by Beefdrop

OP, i definitely like your plan and agree that for this experiment a TH rush is required, but to a certain degree.

While all the reasons not to rush have been listed countless times, there is an advantage to rushing that you did well to point out:

"Most people rather attack maxed TH9 than premmie TH10 with infernos for loot."

I believe rushing to TH8 is great, but no further than here. At TH8 you have access to raid collectors on 7's, 8's, and 9's allowing 1+mil/hr farming. This type of farming can allow easy catch up on defenses. More importantly, although it's easy for a TH9 to smash any TH8, the same goes for TH10's raiding a TH9. The difference is that TH8 are mostly protected from TH10's and it is much easier to gain loot off of a TH9 than it would be for a TH9 getting loot off of a TH10 - allowing a higher farming ceiling.

Furthermore, the troops at TH8 are quite powerful for farming as well as clan wars
Farming: lvl 5 barch
Clan wars:lvl 5 wiz, lvl 3 drag, lvl 5 loons

Moving past TH8 wouldn't be wise for the reasons mentioned above, at this TH level one can quickly catch up on defensive units and walls and mostly protect oneself from being raided by 9's - if you keep 4 builders busy at all times and dump gold/elixir to walls when not needing to save for an upgrade you should remain outside of a typical TH9 raid target throughout the majority of your stay at this TH level - ensuring a fast catch up and transition to TH9 when completed.

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IMO TH8 is possibly the WORST TH to stop rushing at. You get crushed by TH9 and TH8 offense is hardly better than TH7, while TH9 offense is huge, like 50%, improvement over TH8. Especially if you farm with loons or try to get DE for hero upgrades, TH8 and TH9 is like night and day.

TH10 cannot smash a TH9 easily with farming troops, 4 storages are much harder to take out compared to 3.

Thanks for the reply OP, i must say however, that i disagree with a few points.

TH8 offense (lvl5 barch) is sufficient for collector and TH7/8 storage raids. While TH9 offense is a quite better for troops like balloonion, lvl 6 barch is a marginal upgrade to 5 and if this is your primary farming method lvl 6 isn't something absolutely necessary.

If you go into TH9 as a near/max TH8 this will in turn allow you protection of that DE going towards hero upgrades. I'm a near max TH10 myself and i can say with certainty that farming armies are able to still reach TH9 DE in most cases with ease.

The beauty of stopping @ TH8 is that you have access to 3 TH levels for collector raids granting 1mil+ gold & E per hour. As i mentioned, the strategy at TH8 is that once you have all your builders busy but 1 you continually dump your resources into walls. Anytime a builder gets to 1d away, you stop pumping the walls and save for your next upgrade. With this method the majority of the time you will not have any resources for people to go after and the upgrade costs at this TH are relatively low costing. The point being that it shouldn't take but a few hours of farming to save for that next upgrade and get rid of your resources once more.

I suppose my philosophy of min/max is centered more upon reducing resource loss as a means of furthering progression rather than relying upon base strength as a deterrent. There's always a bigger fish out there, and when they come across your base with an appropriate army they are sure to declare war.

If there was no such thing as loot penalty, then I'd say rushing makes a lot of sense. The thing is, the higher you go, the harder it is to farm, due to loot penalty. And as a th9,I'll tell you, th8 is the best level to farm...
Like I said earlier, most rushers are very poor at the game... It's hard to differentiate a premie from a rusher sometimes...

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

If there was no such thing as loot penalty, then I'd say rushing makes a lot of sense. The thing is, the higher you go, the harder it is to farm, due to loot penalty. And as a th9,I'll tell you, th8 is the best level to farm...
Like I said earlier, most rushers are very poor at the game... It's hard to differentiate a premie from a rusher sometimes...

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Differentiate a premie and a rusher is really easy. All you gotta do is look at their lab camp and sf. If those are maxed and the lab has blue lights coming out of it, he's a rusher instead of a premie. To confirm, look at their builder huts, if all busy then he's definitely an active rusher. If any of those are not maxed and there isn't a builder working on them, they're most likely a premie.

As for which TH is best for farming, everyone got their opinion. I found TH9 is better for all resources, especially DE compared to TH8. If nothing else, you get to farm at higher league and get a bigger league bonus. I've only spent 30 days in TH8 the first time around though, so take it with a grain of salt.

If DE is your main focus I think rushing to TH10 is the best. TH10 barch with heroes and spells can take a TH9's DE for sure but IT solves all your problems. TH8 hardly has any DE anyways so not being able to raid them isn't much of a problem. With this account I plan to rush to TH10,with a pause at TH9, for DE since maxing offense means maxing heroes ASAP.

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Originally Posted by Beefdrop

Thanks for the reply OP, i must say however, that i disagree with a few points.

TH8 offense (lvl5 barch) is sufficient for collector and TH7/8 storage raids. While TH9 offense is a quite better for troops like balloonion, lvl 6 barch is a marginal upgrade to 5 and if this is your primary farming method lvl 6 isn't something absolutely necessary.

If you go into TH9 as a near/max TH8 this will in turn allow you protection of that DE going towards hero upgrades. I'm a near max TH10 myself and i can say with certainty that farming armies are able to still reach TH9 DE in most cases with ease.

The beauty of stopping @ TH8 is that you have access to 3 TH levels for collector raids granting 1mil+ gold & E per hour. As i mentioned, the strategy at TH8 is that once you have all your builders busy but 1 you continually dump your resources into walls. Anytime a builder gets to 1d away, you stop pumping the walls and save for your next upgrade. With this method the majority of the time you will not have any resources for people to go after and the upgrade costs at this TH are relatively low costing. The point being that it shouldn't take but a few hours of farming to save for that next upgrade and get rid of your resources once more.

I suppose my philosophy of min/max is centered more upon reducing resource loss as a means of furthering progression rather than relying upon base strength as a deterrent. There's always a bigger fish out there, and when they come across your base with an appropriate army they are sure to declare war.

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Your arguments are well thought out and you present your case well.

However, I disagree on one point: DE.
TH8's have little to no options for DE farming as it takes usually a strong-ish army to get in a bust up the core of a base (where everyone and their mom keeps their de). Secondly, even if you could farm DE like mad at th8, you only have 1 level 3 drill and no queen. You get your king to level 10 (40k, big whoopie) and you're done. Sure you have lab upgrades, but to the OP's point: his goal is not to research every lab upgrade available.

He wants to BARCH and Blooinion his way through bases until th10. At that point he will be going for maxed troops and live it up as a strong attacking th10 with high level heroes and crappy defenses (I think that's the goal anyhow).

So while i mainly agree with you Beef, the aspect you're missing is the OP's original goal: TH10 Balloonion smash-your-face-donkey-punch attacks.

I don't think he's planning on ever really "catching up" the defenses, and playing in a style that is attack-focused. Heavy on offense, light on defense sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Beefdrop

Thanks for the reply OP, i must say however, that i disagree with a few points.

TH8 offense (lvl5 barch) is sufficient for collector and TH7/8 storage raids. While TH9 offense is a quite better for troops like balloonion, lvl 6 barch is a marginal upgrade to 5 and if this is your primary farming method lvl 6 isn't something absolutely necessary.

If you go into TH9 as a near/max TH8 this will in turn allow you protection of that DE going towards hero upgrades. I'm a near max TH10 myself and i can say with certainty that farming armies are able to still reach TH9 DE in most cases with ease.

The beauty of stopping @ TH8 is that you have access to 3 TH levels for collector raids granting 1mil+ gold & E per hour. As i mentioned, the strategy at TH8 is that once you have all your builders busy but 1 you continually dump your resources into walls. Anytime a builder gets to 1d away, you stop pumping the walls and save for your next upgrade. With this method the majority of the time you will not have any resources for people to go after and the upgrade costs at this TH are relatively low costing. The point being that it shouldn't take but a few hours of farming to save for that next upgrade and get rid of your resources once more.

I suppose my philosophy of min/max is centered more upon reducing resource loss as a means of furthering progression rather than relying upon base strength as a deterrent. There's always a bigger fish out there, and when they come across your base with an appropriate army they are sure to declare war.

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You ou fail to realize that your focus would be on hero pushing so once they max it will make farming for the other resources that much easier.

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

Differentiate a premie and a rusher is really easy. All you gotta do is look at their lab camp and sf. If those are maxed and the lab has blue lights coming out of it, he's a rusher instead of a premie. To confirm, look at their builder huts, if all busy then he's definitely an active rusher. If any of those are not maxed and there isn't a builder working on them, they're most likely a premie.

As for which TH is best for farming, everyone got their opinion. I found TH9 is better for all resources, especially DE compared to TH8. If nothing else, you get to farm at higher league and get a bigger league bonus. I've only spent 30 days in TH8 the first time around though, so take it with a grain of salt.

If DE is your main focus I think rushing to TH10 is the best. TH10 barch with heroes and spells can take a TH9's DE for sure but IT solves all your problems. TH8 hardly has any DE anyways so not being able to raid them isn't much of a problem. With this account I plan to rush to TH10,with a pause at TH9, for DE since maxing offense means maxing heroes ASAP.

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You lay too much emphasis on DE... I'm currently th9, I barely use DE, except for my heroes, and the golems which I use for gowipe in war... Other than that, barch, or giants and wizards which I use the most, don't require DE...
Why rush to th10 just for DE? Do you consider being able to hold your resources?
Th8 is the best farming base by popular opinion because you have a wide range of bases you can attack (th6,7,8 and 9).. And apart from DE, I find it easier to raid at th8....You'd be surprised how easy it is to raid at th8....

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

You lay too much emphasis on DE... I'm currently th9, I barely use DE, except for my heroes, and the golems which I use for gowipe in war... Other than that, barch, or giants and wizards which I use the most, don't require DE...
Why rush to th10 just for DE? Do you consider being able to hold your resources?
Th8 is the best farming base by popular opinion because you have a wide range of bases you can attack (th6,7,8 and 9).. And apart from DE, I find it easier to raid at th8....You'd be surprised how easy it is to raid at th8....

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I don't think you get the whole point of rushing.. It's to max offense ASAP for little time/money spent as possible, not to farm as much resources as possible. Maxing offense require max heroes which require DE. Heroes are the biggest bottleneck to maxing offense since they take 227d12h each. Start and continue to upgrade them ASAP is the most important thing to max offense. Stay at TH8, even if you get to farm a billion resources/hr gets you more defenses only, which defeats the whole purpose of rushing.

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

I don't think you get the whole point of rushing.. It's to max offense ASAP for little time/money spent as possible, not to farm as much resources as possible. Maxing offense require max heroes which require DE. Heroes are the biggest bottleneck to maxing offense since they take 227d12h each. Start and continue to upgrade them ASAP is the most important thing to max offense. Stay at TH8, even if you get to farm a billion resources/hr gets you more defenses only, which defeats the whole purpose of rushing.

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Exactly Morgauth, i'm with ya. Staying and farming is for defense. Archer towers, teslas, air defenses, walls, all of it doesn't help you attack better.

Attacking comes from the lab, spell factory, barracks and heroes. That's it. so in this particular thread, i.e. the discussion of how to max offense the fastest, i still say staying at th8 is a waste of time.

I'm not saying th8 is a waste of time in general, as a broad 'blanket' statement. Just for the purposes of this experiment.


also, what's your DE farming strategy? i'm a th9 and i cannot possibly keep my heroes upgrading non-stop. I just don't play enough i suppose, but what are you thinking as far as keeping them under a builder 24/7?

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Originally Posted by Defeater

Exactly Morgauth, i'm with ya. Staying and farming is for defense. Archer towers, teslas, air defenses, walls, all of it doesn't help you attack better.

Attacking comes from the lab, spell factory, barracks and heroes. That's it. so in this particular thread, i.e. the discussion of how to max offense the fastest, i still say staying at th8 is a waste of time.

I'm not saying th8 is a waste of time in general, as a broad 'blanket' statement. Just for the purposes of this experiment.


also, what's your DE farming strategy? i'm a th9 and i cannot possibly keep my heroes upgrading non-stop. I just don't play enough i suppose, but what are you thinking as far as keeping them under a builder 24/7?

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TH9 farming DE is extremely easy for me. I haven't boosted yet and can keep both my heroes going none stop so far, BK going to 17, AQ going to 18 now. I barch with 8 WB or gbarch with 8 WB when spells are cooking and loonion when I have spells. Look to get over 1K DE per raid or inactive bases without spells and over 2K with spells. Make sure your DE drills are all maxed. Easy to get about 25k/day including the drill production and that's enough to keep my heroes going.

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

You lay too much emphasis on DE... I'm currently th9, I barely use DE, except for my heroes, and the golems which I use for gowipe in war... Other than that, barch, or giants and wizards which I use the most, don't require DE...
Why rush to th10 just for DE? Do you consider being able to hold your resources?
Th8 is the best farming base by popular opinion because you have a wide range of bases you can attack (th6,7,8 and 9).. And apart from DE, I find it easier to raid at th8....You'd be surprised how easy it is to raid at th8....

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TH rushing is about max offensive troops for the hardcore players. Max offensive troops allows much wider farming range thus income.

The farming troops difference between TH9 and TH10 became much wider after this latest patch with the introduction of lv7 barchers.

Besides, any decent TH9 can still lay waste to max TH8.

I agree that premmieing is a good idea if you have countless hours to play per day. But if you only have one to two hours to play a day it is not a good idea to premie up the th's. But nice thread :)

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

Th8 is the best farming base by popular opinion because you have a wide range of bases you can attack (th6,7,8 and 9).. And apart from DE, I find it easier to raid at th8....You'd be surprised how easy it is to raid at th8....

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When it comes to farm DE, our most targets is TH9/10
and when it comes to attack TH9/10

TH7 will get : 100% from TH9, 100% from TH10... with lv.4 troops, 200 space, 3 spells, BK
TH8 will get : 100% from TH9, 100% from TH10... with lv.5 troops, 200 space, 3 spells, BK
TH9 will get : 100% from TH9, 100% from TH10... with lv.6 troops, 220 space, 4 spells, BK+AQ
TH10 will get : 90% from TH9, 100% from TH10... with lv.6 troops, 240 space, 5 spells, BK+AQ, freeze

imho, farming DE on TH7/8 is a bad idea

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Originally Posted by Defeater

Exactly Morgauth, i'm with ya. Staying and farming is for defense. Archer towers, teslas, air defenses, walls, all of it doesn't help you attack better.

Attacking comes from the lab, spell factory, barracks and heroes. That's it. so in this particular thread, i.e. the discussion of how to max offense the fastest, i still say staying at th8 is a waste of time.

I'm not saying th8 is a waste of time in general, as a broad 'blanket' statement. Just for the purposes of this experiment.


also, what's your DE farming strategy? i'm a th9 and i cannot possibly keep my heroes upgrading non-stop. I just don't play enough i suppose, but what are you thinking as far as keeping them under a builder 24/7?

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Staying and farming is NOT for defense only... There are at least 15 troop upgrades in th8...i actually maxed out my defence before offence at th8 (I have five builders).
And I stand corrected, 90% Of premie/rushers don't know how to attack... Always rely on hogs which are unreliable against well planned bases..
My clan members are always happy when we are pitched against rushers in war.. Poor in defense, poor in attack too despite good troops... It's easy to design a anti hog or dragon base if you know what you're doing

What you say is that you want to find the quickest way to reach the top withoyt explaining what you consider to be the top?

Could you give a clear indication as to what you consider the top to be?

I consider a max Th with maxed heroes and maxed walls and defenses to be the top, to that end I would argue that rushing your TH will not lead you to the top in the quickest manner.

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Originally Posted by VincentVegas

What you say is that you want to find the quickest way to reach the top withoyt explaining what you consider to be the top?

Could you give a clear indication as to what you consider the top to be?

I consider a max Th with maxed heroes and maxed walls and defenses to be the top, to that end I would argue that rushing your TH will not lead you to the top in the quickest manner.

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Top is be able to play the game like someone with maxed everything. Goal is to be able to do that while spending the least amount of time. You're able to donate best troops, attack any base with the best strategy that has the highest possibility to get to 3 stars. I don't consider defense to be gameplay since it only happens when you're not playing the game. Losing defense has little to no consequences. Penalty for losing attacks seems to be higher as you're losing playtime/resources/make your clan lose at war.

Even if your goal is maxed base, rushing offense still gives you the fastest way to the top. Fastest as in least amount of hours put into this game. With max offense you'd be able to farm more resources per attack on average while spending least amount of troops/spells thus reduce the amount of time you need to spend raiding.

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Originally Posted by Tilly18

I agree that premmieing is a good idea if you have countless hours to play per day. But if you only have one to two hours to play a day it is not a good idea to premie up the th's. But nice thread :)

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This will be tested as well. I only play 1-2hrs per day with this account so far without boost. Some boosting might be required later, we'll see :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

Please no advice to not rush TH, the purpose of this thread is an experiment on min/max and fastest way to the top. People who disagree with rushing feel free to play this game as you see fit. This thread is intended for anyone interested to follow my experimental progress

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I guess some people missed that memo!

Most of us are reacting from personal clashing experiences like mine:

Have some premies(not rushers) in our clan. Upgraded their TH way too fast without maxing their offensive firepower ie camps, spells, certain troops.

We have stuck with them because they were real life friends and they are working on catching up whereas a rusher would have a premie defensive base but a strong offense.

I am currently on my way to maxing my TH9 base but it would be fun to go at it again just focusing on offense.

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Originally Posted by Tweety4real

Rushed th bases are toxic to war efforts, easily get 3 starred, even with inferno towers... Started playing in March also, currently upgrading to th9....
The only way rushing can be useful is if you're actually good at attacking, and even at that, the base get beaten easily
My clan now has a rule of banning rushed bases, they always cost us in wars

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In my clan their are a few rushed th 10. They get beat up every single war and none of them are very good attackers. I just want them to go away with their pink walls and lvl 1 teslas.

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Originally Posted by Zippocat

In my clan their are a few rushed th 10. They get beat up every single war and none of them are very good attackers. I just want them to go away with their pink walls and lvl 1 teslas.

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Kick them, there's no point keeping such players...

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

I would if weren't for keeping both accounts together and be able to donate lv6 giants to myself. I will visit the clan though.

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After reading Sharonysm's post on the premmie route, I started my 2nd acct exactly this way, and have no ragrets (not even one letter). And I currently do this now, I have lvl 6 giants cooked on one account that I donate to the other when BArch farming. I slowed down considerably over the past month due to work obligations and studying for my CPA, but I still got tremendous results.

I did the obvious progression for this: offense first, then splash defense, then next TH and I would upgrade ADs before even thinking about touching point defenses (to fend off dragon raids in clan wars). All the while you are dumping off all excess gold into walls. Offense meaning maxing out my camps, lab, spell factory, and then researching farming troops (blondes/archers/wallers/giants). Splash defense priority being wizard towers, then mortars.

I started on June 2nd, and exactly 3 weeks into it I was a TH7. I had a slow run during TH8, but I became a TH9 just under 3 months after starting. Have lvl 6 giants now and lvl 6 blondes will be finished in 24 hours, with archers lined up next. I can't make anything beyond wizards or minions still, but after getting lvl 6 giants I am able to 3-star almost any TH8 base. Moved up to the #8 slot in our 35 member clan warring clan, ahead of people who are semi-active with over a year playing, but under the "max everything first" route.

I don't know about how I could have done it faster, my walls are only purple, but again I haven't been able to farm as frequently as I have other obligations, plus keeping all builders busy on two TH9s is tough enough as it is. Hope this gives you some perspective.

EDIT: I should state that we are 20-0-3 in clan wars, and are currently on a 14-war winning streak. I always drop down and hit what is needed of me to clean bases on my mini, but we have an excellent group of warrers from top-down, so I typically am able to hit TH8s with a giant barching army for 3 stars, or at least the 3rd star if someone else couldn't clean it. We put up 95+ stars out of 105 in 35v35 wars, and 80+ stars out of 90 in 30v30 wars. I stopped getting 3-starred in wars when I got to TH9, even with lvl 5/6 point defenses, b/c the Ringus base is absolutely devastating, especially when you have your key defenses (wiz towers, mortars, ADs, and giant bombs) maxed or nearly maxed.

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

Top is be able to play the game like someone with maxed everything. Goal is to be able to do that while spending the least amount of time. You're able to donate best troops, attack any base with the best strategy that has the highest possibility to get to 3 stars. I don't consider defense to be gameplay since it only happens when you're not playing the game. Losing defense has little to no consequences. Penalty for losing attacks seems to be higher as you're losing playtime/resources/make your clan lose at war.

Even if your goal is maxed base, rushing offense still gives you the fastest way to the top. Fastest as in least amount of hours put into this game. With max offense you'd be able to farm more resources per attack on average while spending least amount of troops/spells thus reduce the amount of time you need to spend raiding.

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I agree with some of what you are saying on defense but not all.

I completely disagree with the notion that rushing will be the quickest way to a fully maxed base. Its well known that gold per hour decreases each time you go up a TH.

My biggest issue with the 'Sharonislm method' is that they fail to point out that they have to gem resources in order to level up troops. You cannot spend a small amount of time online and save what you need for high level troops. Inferno tower may dissuade some but I can assure you that a strong TH9 or Th10 farmer will roll through your base when you are offering 400k in resources.

Its not what I would consider a power play, for example in clan wars whilst you can donate good troops you will be 3 starred whereas I properly maxed base will not.

Anyhow the beauty of this game is that it can be played in many ways.

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Originally Posted by VincentVegas

I agree with some of what you are saying on defense but not all.

I completely disagree with the notion that rushing will be the quickest way to a fully maxed base. Its well known that gold per hour decreases each time you go up a TH.

My biggest issue with the 'Sharonislm method' is that they fail to point out that they have to gem resources in order to level up troops. You cannot spend a small amount of time online and save what you need for high level troops. Inferno tower may dissuade some but I can assure you that a strong TH9 or Th10 farmer will roll through your base when you are offering 400k in resources.

Its not what I would consider a power play, for example in clan wars whilst you can donate good troops you will be 3 starred whereas I properly maxed base will not.

Anyhow the beauty of this game is that it can be played in many ways.

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Gemming resources?:confused: I think resources would be the last thing he uses gems on with 1billion GG... You might not of thought about how this game works and the math behind it all. Let me lay it out here once. If I lose 400k of each per raid in the worse case scenario where I never get TH snipped, always have max storages every single time I log off, I'd lose 800k resources a day at TH10. Collectors will produce 500k at TH10 so that means I lose a grand total of 300k resources a day. If you can't farm that back playing a 2hr session you should quit. So there should be absolutely no problems saving up resources if you play this game properly.

As for clan wars the argument has been presented many times already, even just in this thread. If you still want to believe getting 3 starred is bad I can't help you. Maxed bases never get 3 starred right? Would you be convinced rushing is power play if I show you a 3 star attack from my 3 week old account vs a maxed TH7 that spent like 4 month maxing?

Player A max TH7 spent 4month on base
Player B only has 3 weeks to spend on base

Max everything player B is TH5, gets easily 3 starred by TH7 player but can't touch TH7 player's base

Rush TH and offense, player B is TH7 with lv1 dragons and no defense. Gets easily 3 starred by TH7 maxer BUT can easily 3 star him back. Thus playing as his equal earning 3 stars each for their clan. But wait I get 1 more attack in cw... while no one can gain anymore stars on my base!

When 3 week old account performs the same as a 4month old account, I would call that power play.

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Originally Posted by Morgauth

Gemming resources?:confused: I think resources would be the last thing he uses gems on with 1billion GG... You might not of thought about how this game works and the math behind it all. Let me lay it out here once. If I lose 400k of each per raid in the worse case scenario where I never get TH snipped, always have max storages every single time I log off, I'd lose 800k resources a day at TH10. Collectors will produce 500k at TH10 so that means I lose a grand total of 300k resources a day. If you can't farm that back playing a 2hr session you should quit. So there should be absolutely no problems saving up resources if you play this game properly.

As for clan wars the argument has been presented many times already, even just in this thread. If you still want to believe getting 3 starred is bad I can't help you. Maxed bases never get 3 starred right? Would you be convinced rushing is power play if I show you a 3 star attack from my 3 week old account vs a maxed TH7 that spent like 4 month maxing?

Player A max TH7 spent 4month on base
Player B only has 3 weeks to spend on base

Max everything player B is TH5, gets easily 3 starred by TH7 player but can't touch TH7 player's base

Rush TH and offense, player B is TH7 with lv1 dragons and no defense. Gets easily 3 starred by TH7 maxer BUT can easily 3 star him back. Thus playing as his equal earning 3 stars each for their clan. But wait I get 1 more attack in cw... while no one can gain anymore stars on my base!

When 3 week old account performs the same as a 4month old account, I would call that power play.

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A couple of points to pick you up on:

1. You dont get a billion gg by playing a couple of hours a day.
2. Your example of relying on mines and pumps for resources doesnt actually move you forward. You need to make a profit of 300k a day just to stand still. I emphasize profit because you need to consider troop costs, spell costs and nexting. Again a couple of hours a day just doesnt cut it.
3. Id suggest searching out some of the best farmers in the game and asking them if they consider rushing to be the answer.

Anyway good luck with your 'power play'.

As I say the beauty of this game is that we can all play differently.

You say a max TH10 can be 3 stared. Have you tried that before? Cause I have, with all max troops (apart from the barch and hounds from last update), level 30 heroes and its everything other than easy. Most you have experienced is a th7, how can you say you'll be easily 3 starring th10s in CW? I can tell you this, some of the best players in the world are happy with 3 starring a max base. And they have done countless 3 stars. So this whole premmie thing might work up to th7, maybe th8. But after that it's all downhill. You will not get enough resources at th10 to do anything with 2 hours per day and loosing 400k everytime you log off. Believe me, infernos wont help much.

So your argument of being at the 'top' by just having max troops is basically invalid. But eitherway, do your thing. If nothing else, more premmies in matchmaking for me to farm.

Week 4 and still TH7. Going to stay at TH7 for longer than intended because initially didn't realize there were 3 lvls of rage spell to do so will start TH8 upgrade early next week.

My original clan broke up and I split up my two accounts. Main joined a high level clan and mini joined a low level clan. Raiding with lv6 giants was way too easy and I wanted to see how rushing would fair without constant supply of high level troops to raid with.

Barch and camps are maxed and got dragons now :cool:. Getting heroic attack every war 3 starring maxed TH7 and getting matched up with clans that have TH5. Still TH4 defense and starting to get more 3 stars and less TH snips now that I'm farming in silver 1.

Loot is no problems at all. I have way too much loot that can't be spent for just playing 2hrs or less a day even getting 3 starred and lose 250k everyday. Many times are raid for 1.5mil and just lose 250k wait for builder to dump into walls. Didn't even take advantage of the 1 gem boost and started to upgrade barracks again to dump elixir.

I have a mini which I rushed to TH9 with no defences whatsoever. My opinion on this is:

- You can happily rush to TH9 - loot is arguably as good there as any other TH. I wouldn't rush to TH10 where loot still seems to be a lot worse
- However farming DE gets easier the higher your TH. Maxing DE upgrades with each TH makes it hard work for yourself
- It is a pain doing big upgrades with minimal defences. Try to save 6 million elix for level 6 balloons? You get rolled for 350k as soon as you log off - it needs long sessions online
- I'm not sure that it's 'quicker'. Ultimately your time to max out just depends on how long the builders take. It's not hard to keep all 5 working 24/7 whether you are rushed or not.
- I think it's an advantage in CW. I am now ranked same as a well-developed TH8, but I can 2/3 star TH9s and premmie TH10s with balloons, where a TH8 would have no chance of doing so

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Week 4 and still TH7. Going to stay at TH7 for longer than intended because initially didn't realize there were 3 lvls of rage spell to do so will start TH8 upgrade early next week.

My original clan broke up and I split up my two accounts. Main joined a high level clan and mini joined a low level clan. Raiding with lv6 giants was way too easy and I wanted to see how rushing would fair without constant supply of high level troops to raid with.

Barch and camps are maxed and got dragons now :cool:. Getting heroic attack every war 3 starring maxed TH7 and getting matched up with clans that have TH5. Still TH4 defense and starting to get more 3 stars and less TH snips now that I'm farming in silver 1.

Loot is no problems at all. I have way too much loot that can't be spent for just playing 2hrs or less a day even getting 3 starred and lose 250k everyday. Many times are raid for 1.5mil and just lose 250k wait for builder to dump into walls. Didn't even take advantage of the 1 gem boost and started to upgrade barracks again to dump elixir.

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Week 3 for me :) , 3 builders and i m going TH9 ;P... loon is going lv5, got lv1 King and lv4 healing spell. I only played few hours a day, so the progress is not as great as my rushed TH10 (8month old) which is very strong now.

I 3 starred most of my enemies in CW which are ranked higher than me. Can't wait to get loon to lv6 and farm TH9-10s :)

By the way, i don't get reinforcement in CC when farming or CW attacks :)

Finally found a person who looks like myself! :)
I didn't read your thread completely, LOL :D But as I got you are same to me! I use that sentence too much "earn 6stars in ClanWars and just give 3star(mostly just 2star)" is much better than "save 3star(impossible - mostly just 1-2star) and just bring 1-2star for your clan"
Summary:
If i create any other account(I've already had!) I will rush To TH7 as Fast as Possible (*** with Upgraded offensive Power ***) Then max my base base at TH7
TH8: spend a little time because I would upgrade my dark barracks & normal barracks & other offensives! Upgrade my TH to TH9, and Earn that 40k DarkElixir to be ready for TH9 to get that awesome queen at the time TownHall upgraded to 9!
TH9: (I just got to it) I'm gonna max my base! for sure first offensive power again. most important one: get Queen to Level5 (I've done it ASAP)! Then go for TH10! the reason i won't rush to th10 is i can do&have whatever i want in TH9 without huge penalty that is for TH10!

Week 5 and just started TH8 upgrade. I should have max collectors and max barracks by the time TH8 finishes but defenses will remain at TH4 level.

I will start doing Bi-weekly updates now since progress is going to be slower.

Rushing to TH7 makes the most sense on offense, you have 4 army camps upgradeable to 200 troops, 4 barracks and 1 dark barracks, and spell factory with up to 3 spells. Quickly build units and attack -- easily loot THs and then upgrade units (Archer, Giants, & WB lvl 4) and defenses.
The move to TH8 is good for upgrading units like (Archer, Giants, & WB lvl 5) and defenses to high enough level. Also, use a farming base for quick 12 hr shield.

If I was focusing on rushing to TH9 on a new base, I have the following min for defense -- focus on splash damage such as mortars and wizard towers for defenses (lvl 6 min) first, cannons / archer towers (lvl 7 or 8), AA defense (lvl 4), Teslas (lvl 2) and at least pink walls. Pick your favorite units you use to farm (Archer, Giants, & WB lvl 5) or in war (Dragons lvl 2 and Pekka lvl 2) upgrade those specifically.

I am TH9 but maxed everything at TH8 - units, defenses, walls, Heroes (lvl 5 both). I saved enough up at TH8 for 2 xbows at for the start of TH9.

Here's a video of my 1 month old rushed TH8 (will be TH9 in few hours :) ) 3 starred a base with 190 troops space, 3 spells + lv1 BK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDS5Hj5NxAw

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Here's a video of my 1 month old rushed TH8 (will be TH9 in few hours :) ) 3 starred a base with 190 troops space, 3 spells + lv1 BK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDS5Hj5NxAw

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Jeez dude you rush fast. Level 3 barch at TH9? I'm going to want lv5 barch to farm when I hit TH9 since it takes about a month to do all the elixir upgrades and farming with loons for elixir isn't going to work out.

You can prove me wrong though. Be great to learn something new if you can farm up all that elixir needed for TH9 with loons or lv3 barch effectively.

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Jeez dude you rush fast. Level 3 barch at TH9? I'm going to want lv5 barch to farm when I hit TH9 since it takes about a month to do all the elixir upgrades and farming with loons for elixir isn't going to work out.

You can prove me wrong though. Be great to learn something new if you can farm up all that elixir needed for TH9 with loons or lv3 barch effectively.

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I will farm with loonions at crystal once i get lv6 balloon: 16 loons+rest minions... 16 loons is not that expensive but will use lot of DE but farming in crystal will cover the cost of DE and even gain 1k+ per raid.

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I will farm with loonions at crystal once i get lv6 balloon: 16 loons+rest minions... 16 loons is not that expensive but will use lot of DE but farming in crystal will cover the cost of DE and even gain 1k+ per raid.

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Make a video of that, I'd like to see it. I found 16-20 loons too few with low level minions. Minions need to do more than clean up with low number of loons.

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Make a video of that, I'd like to see it. I found 16-20 loons too few with low level minions. Minions need to do more than clean up with low number of loons.

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Here's a video of my lv5 loons farming at sub200 but I used 3 healing spell because the base defenses were too strong for lv5 loons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T33yhm1Sjwo

p.s i just noticed... there were 17 loons :)

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Make a video of that, I'd like to see it. I found 16-20 loons too few with low level minions. Minions need to do more than clean up with low number of loons.

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I made a playlist for low level loonion;

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...ypnBTpel9RU6PW


After a month, my TH is lvl9... lab is upgrading and in 5days i can upgrade loon to lv6 :)

I agree with you, back in december 2013, when i was a th9 with no max defenses and all my walls are lvl 7, i decided to go to th10 to get all the new defenses. After a while i finally catch up, now i have max defenses, walls mostly lvl 9 and 95% of my troops and spells are max.

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Defense Plan
- Get 3 starred in every clan war but earn 6stars back from 2 attacks

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You may think you are helping your clan in war with this strategy, but you are actually hurting them severely. While you may or may not secure 6 stars in war depending on how strong the enemy bases are, they will surely 3-star you every time. Think about if half or all your clan followed your example. How do you expect to win a war when the enemy gets a perfect score from 3-starring everyone?

I hope you are enjoying yourself as you see fit to play the game, but understand that no serious war clan is going to touch you with a 10 foot pole.

T1Girr

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You may think you are helping your clan in war with this strategy, but you are actually hurting them severely. While you may or may not secure 6 stars in war depending on how strong the enemy bases are, they will surely 3-star you every time. Think about if half or all your clan followed your example. How do you expect to win a war when the enemy gets a perfect score from 3-starring everyone?

I hope you are enjoying yourself as you see fit to play the game, but understand that no serious war clan is going to touch you with a 10 foot pole.

T1Girr

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It's not true.
My rushed Th9 (1 month old acct, no gem) only has lv5 loons & lvl 1 minion and barch are still lv3 is helping the clan. Because the defenses are very low and the useless troops are lvl 1, my rushed TH9 is consider TH4-5 in cw matchmaking and i keep 2-3 starring TH7-8 bases in cw(mostly 3 stars) and has been like that the whole month from TH1 to Th9.

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Rushed th bases are toxic to war efforts, easily get 3 starred, even with inferno towers... Started playing in March also, currently upgrading to th9....
The only way rushing can be useful is if you're actually good at attacking, and even at that, the base get beaten easily
My clan now has a rule of banning rushed bases, they always cost us in wars

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Yep. I'm a strong th8 planning on upgrading to th9 very soon. I wouldn't be here if i had rushed. My clan bans rushed townhalls too as for they are usually newbie and cannot raid in war.

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You may think you are helping your clan in war with this strategy, but you are actually hurting them severely. While you may or may not secure 6 stars in war depending on how strong the enemy bases are, they will surely 3-star you every time. Think about if half or all your clan followed your example. How do you expect to win a war when the enemy gets a perfect score from 3-starring everyone? I'd like to join a rushed base clan if there is one. TBH i'd be happy to join a all rushed base clan and see how war works.

I hope you are enjoying yourself as you see fit to play the game, but understand that no serious war clan is going to touch you with a 10 foot pole.

T1Girr

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Last time I checked half low TH half high TH is the best set up to win wars because you get matched up with easier targets. Some hardcore war clans purposely do this and I'd guess they rather have a TH9 with TH4 defense than a maxed TH6 for this purpose.

If every single person was like me in a clan then we'd get matched up with TH5-6 clan, mostly new players that can't deal with a dragon in CC and don't have dragons of their own. I have TH4 defenses and rank at the very bottom for war but other clan's bottom player rarely 3 star me so saying perfect score every time is a far stretch.

Just because your clan doesn't accept rushed bases doesn't mean no one will accept rushed bases.

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Last time I checked half low TH half high TH is the best set up to win wars because you get matched up with easier targets. Some hardcore war clans purposely do this and I'd guess they rather have a TH9 with TH4 defense than a maxed TH6 for this purpose.

If every single person was like me in a clan then we'd get matched up with TH5-6 clan, mostly new players that can't deal with a dragon in CC and don't have dragons of their own. I have TH4 defenses and rank at the very bottom for war but other clan's bottom player rarely 3 star me so saying perfect score every time is a far stretch.

Just because your clan doesn't accept rushed bases doesn't mean no one will accept rushed bases.

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I've created a clan few days ago for my rushed TH9 and we are winning the first cw :) ...
Clan name is "Rushed One", join us if you need a clan for your rushed TH :)

My one month old rushed TH9 is upgrading balloon to lv6 :)
How is your mini account doing?

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I've created a clan few days ago for my rushed TH9 and we are winning the first cw :) ...
Clan name is "Rushed One", join us if you need a clan for your rushed TH :)

My one month old rushed TH9 is upgrading balloon to lv6 :)
How is your mini account doing?

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Joining your clan! I'm only TH8 now

Week 7 and TH8. Just got level 5 barb yesterday and the barb king. I can now barch maxed TH7 storages for 250k of each:D. It's pretty fun rushing as the game totally changes every time you level up your barch as to what kind of bases you can take on. Should be in TH8 for 27 days and I might cut it shorter to rush to TH9 for those lv6 troops and queen.

Defense wise no change other than built 2 mortar at lv2 and 1 extra wiz tower at lv1 probably same defense capability as a TH5 base now:cool:.

Drill maxed, barracks all lv9 elixir pumps all max and still maxing gold mines.

In a clan with Forgiveme and mostly rushed bases that wars 24/7. Going to be fun seeing what kind of match ups we get.

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Week 7 and TH8. Just got level 5 barb yesterday and the barb king. I can now barch maxed TH7 storages for 250k of each:D. It's pretty fun rushing as the game totally changes every time you level up your barch as to what kind of bases you can take on. Should be in TH8 for 27 days and I might cut it shorter to rush to TH9 for those lv6 troops and queen.

Defense wise no change other than built 2 mortar at lv2 and 1 extra wiz tower at lv1 probably same defense capability as a TH5 base now:cool:.

Drill maxed, barracks all lv9 elixir pumps all max and still maxing gold mines.

In a clan with Forgiveme and mostly rushed bases that wars 24/7. Going to be fun seeing what kind of match ups we get.

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I guess your base rushed better in term of for CW... your rank was 11 and had no problem 3 staring rank 6-7. That's insane! :)

We created the clan "Rushed One" for rushed TH clashers. Feel free to join our clan and experience the beauty of rushing :)

2 month as of today. Figure a picture of my base is worth 1000 words, if you can call that a base.

No problems with resources or getting enough loot to keep all 5 builders busy and the lab going while doing some walls. This pretty much proves defense doesn't matter, base design doesn't matter, loot penalty is irrelevant until you hit TH10 and no longer have 3 different levels of TH to raid.

I'm sure if I posted this screenshot asking for advice on how to recover all the sheeples would tell me to restart :rolleyes:

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2 month as of today. Figure a picture of my base is worth 1000 words, if you can call that a base.

No problems with resources or getting enough loot to keep all 5 builders busy and the lab going while doing some walls. This pretty much proves defense doesn't matter, base design doesn't matter, loot penalty is irrelevant until you hit TH10 and no longer have 3 different levels of TH to raid.

I'm sure if I posted this screenshot asking for advice on how to recover all the sheeples would tell me to restart :rolleyes:

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Great rusher! :)

i tend to agree that defense is overrated. as long as i can raid more than i lose, than who cares. i'm still net positive. it matters some for defending in clan wars, but not enough to sacrifice the better attacks of higher level troops from having higher THs.

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i tend to agree that defense is overrated. as long as i can raid more than i lose, than who cares. i'm still net positive. it matters some for defending in clan wars, but not enough to sacrifice the better attacks of higher level troops from having higher THs.

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exactly. A 2 month old TH9 is harder to 3 star than a max and way better offense power. On a side note, I just hit my 3 star GG today :)

I agree with pretty much everything you've said here. If you can keep up with the resources needed to upgrade stuff, then you don't need resources. You should only lose about 350k tops of each resource per raid against you, which can easily be recovered in 2 raids. This style of rushing but maxxing offense is the most efficient method to upgrading by far (only problem is it only works for smart players, which isnt a problem for most forumers). However, i personally believe that rushing to th 10 is a bad idea because of the mythical "loot crisis." Seeing as im only a th 9, i can't confirm nor deny this loot crisis, but if it's true then rushing to 10 is probably a bad/inefficient way of doing things.

nice thread man.... just read it through.

one of these days i'm going to get around to rushing a mini, plan will be pretty similar to yours - i wanna max farming troops and cw troops, build all lvl1 defences, and put all spare resources into walls (won't care about having sleeping builders). probably stop at th9 though to work on heroes

I am agree, rushed base is good. But know the limit of the rushing. Simply rush thing help in CW specifically. Being a Maxer, now at th9, i did participate in CW where their top 2 guys are rushed TH9. NOTHING can beat my enjoyment destroy their base 3 stars. And i have plenty combos to use for it and of course i am using the cheapest possible like giant healer. Or even ballonion.

For the one intent to rush. Know the limit on how much u can rush. Being a farmer myself, the loot start to look good at th8 and 9 where lot of things u can dump your gold and elixir with. Be smart. Rush it. Farming army upgrade is priority. And dont ever join war clan. Hehe

Clash on.

Meh Rushing TH is not good just one thing > Loot penalty

Saw your thread a while ago when you first made it.

You have come a long way!!

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I agree with pretty much everything you've said here. If you can keep up with the resources needed to upgrade stuff, then you don't need resources. You should only lose about 350k tops of each resource per raid against you, which can easily be recovered in 2 raids. This style of rushing but maxxing offense is the most efficient method to upgrading by far (only problem is it only works for smart players, which isnt a problem for most forumers). However, i personally believe that rushing to th 10 is a bad idea because of the mythical "loot crisis." Seeing as im only a th 9, i can't confirm nor deny this loot crisis, but if it's true then rushing to 10 is probably a bad/inefficient way of doing things.

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I can confirm this. I have a rushed TH10 (9months old account), rushed to th10 for 3months and don't see any problem at all. The only problem is i cant farm at gold leagues anymore but can farm in sub200 if i want :)

ign: Misaki (rushed TH10, 9months old account) & Virtuel (rushed TH9, 2months old account)
Clan: Rushed One

p.s I am rusher but not a gemmer.

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I can confirm this. I have a rushed TH10 (9months old account), rushed to th10 for 3months and don't see any problem at all. The only problem is i cant farm at gold leagues anymore but can farm in sub200 if i want :)

ign: Misaki (rushed TH10, 9months old account) & Virtuel (rushed TH9, 2months old account)
Clan: Rushed One

p.s I am rusher but not a gemmer.

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The person you quoted said rushing TH10 was a bad and inefficient way to do things. How are you confirming that by saying that you rushed TH10 and it wasn't a problem at all? You are saying exactly the opposite of what he said.

So much for smart forumers not being a problem...

-T1Girr

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The person you quoted said rushing TH10 was a bad and inefficient way to do things. How are you confirming that by saying that you rushed TH10 and it wasn't a problem at all? You are saying exactly the opposite of what he said.

So much for smart forumers not being a problem...

-T1Girr

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his quote: "..Seeing as im only a th 9, i can't confirm nor deny this loot crisis..."

If you are as smart as you think you are, you should know that i am saying i can confirm this, as a rushed TH10 I don't see any loot problem.

If you are not a rusher how do you know a rushing TH is a problem? If you are a bad clasher no matter what you do, you won't make it!

Trying to keep an eye on you guys in Rushed Ones
and trying to work out what order you upgraded your troops for th9.

I saw Virtuel going baloons 6 first.
What does blah234 have cooking in the lab ? (Cannot see it)

(Interested, as I have 4 days left upgrading to th9 at the moment - not really prem, but defenses maxed, and around 85-ish skulls).

Have to decide how many days before th finishes to start accumulating the elixir/gold.

Thanks in advance

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Trying to keep an eye on you guys in Rushed Ones
and trying to work out what order you upgraded your troops for th9.

I saw Virtuel going baloons 6 first.
What does blah234 have cooking in the lab ? (Cannot see it)

(Interested, as I have 4 days left upgrading to th9 at the moment - not really prem, but defenses maxed, and around 85-ish skulls).

Have to decide how many days before th finishes to start accumulating the elixir/gold.

Thanks in advance

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I think blah will max balloon too :)

balloon is the fastest to upgrade, cheap to train, and don't required to max all barracks.. I think it's the best troop in this game.

By the way, Virtuel can 3 stars TH9 in cw now :) and 3 starring TH8 is so easy.

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I think blah will max balloon too :)

balloon is the fastest to upgrade, cheap to train, and don't required to max all barracks.. I think it's the best troop in this game.

By the way, Virtuel can 3 stars TH9 in cw now :) and 3 starring TH8 is so easy.

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Thanks.
Will keep an eye out on blah's profile to see when it pops up. According to his initial plans of barching up to th10,
I wasn't sure if he would go barbs or archers before balloons ..


Think it's too early to accumulate the gold/elixir for th9 with 4 days to go ?
I could still be dumping in walls.

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Thanks.
Will keep an eye out on blah's profile to see when it pops up. According to his initial plans of barching up to th10,
I wasn't sure if he would go barbs or archers before balloons ..


Think it's too early to accumulate the gold/elixir for th9 with 4 days to go ?
I could still be dumping in walls.

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yes it's too early. 2 days before it's enough if you are good farmer.

You only need 6k golds for 2 xbows, 40k DE for AQ, lab & spell factory upgrades... camps can wait.

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yes it's too early. 2 days before it's enough if you are good farmer.

You only need 6k golds for 2 xbows, 40k DE for AQ, lab & spell factory upgrades... camps can wait.

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Currently planning as per arasarn's suggestion on the other threads for th9

AQ, CC, SF, camp, camp, (build some new stuff, save for another camp)

leaving lab/last camp/de drill/tesla for 2nd round of upgrades.

Might be harder to farm for lab+camps at the same time.

As you guys wrote, xbows is defensive, and doesn't change the game much at lvl 1 anyway. ?

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Currently planning as per arasarn's suggestion on the other threads for th9

AQ, CC, SF, camp, camp, (build some new stuff, save for another camp)

leaving lab/last camp/de drill/tesla for 2nd round of upgrades.

Might be harder to farm for lab+camps at the same time.

As you guys wrote, xbows is defensive, and doesn't change the game much at lvl 1 anyway. ?

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To me, TH9 without xbows is a TH8... personally i prefer build a lv1-2 of each defenses first and all availables mine/collectors...because more defenses is stronger than few max defenses and more buildings = take longer for attacker to 100%.

CC is not in my priority list because i don't rely on CC to farm or war. But upgrading Lab is very important because I want lv6 troops asap.