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What if, there is a request gone to every player in the clan in their respective inboxes when the war is started.So if he/she doesn't want to be in the war he can opt out and he won't be included in the war. There can also be a time before which the request should be responded or else he/she would be included in the war by default.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
I completely disagree to what Steve said. I respect his opinion but I disagree. I feel that I, as the clan leader, should be able to select how many people and what people should be in the war. As a leader in the marine corps, I didn't just say, "well we have 37 people here so we have to take all 37 of you into battle." So I shouldn't have to do it on the game. I should be able to take MY 20 best and go against someone else's 20 best. I have plenty of good people that aren't able to attack in wars bacause they are trying to upgrade something or they are just to busy at work. I mean not everyone that plays this game is at home all day waiting to attack as soon as their troops are finished building. I agree we should all be together but as a clan we can be together without forcing people to war when they don't want to. Like I said, I respect what you say but I totally disagree. Let me chose my best and brightest and go against your best and brightest and let's see who will win. ;)
Finally found this thread and would like to voice my opinion here.
I have to agree that this idea needs to be implemented for the reasons below.
The main reason is because people don't want to kick people and invite them just so they can opt outon war. While that is a solution, it has some consequences, including misunderstandings, drama (omg, you kicked me out so that I wouldn't be in war) and loss of donation statistics.
Some might argue that if one does not wish to participate in war, one must simply join a clan that does not participate in war. The reason this is not true for many people is that those who care about being able to opt out are more likely to be loyal members, or at least friends with many. Leaving as a group is not a solution either since the group of friends would still be split between warring and not warring. Splitting the group results in the splitting of friends, which lowers the amount of motivations to keep playing CoC. If sister/feeder clans been implemented, that would be a long workwaround that could still be flawed.
There is another reason that this is suggested, which is that players will still "have a life" outside of CoC. This includes vacations, examinations, business trips, blackouts (+and other force majuere disasters) in the residence of one player which doesn't affect the others physically etc.. Thus, some players would only opt out some times and return to war actively.
The third one is one that Steve didn't address directly in his post on this thread. I understand that having busy schedules and strenuous outside life aren't that good of a reason, as they occur regularly (meaning players would miss war regularly). However ignoring force majuere, like hurricanes, is just mean. "Dude, your house got torn by a tornado? Sorry, but you were a liability to war and we couldn't just opt you out so we kicked you". While I dont know if that has happened yet, but a blackout occurred in my town for a few days and the aftermath in CoC was just sad.
With my reasons being stated, I will acknowledge that before I read Steve's post, I wasnt able to find any good reason not to implement it. But, I still feel that we need this feature and my hope is desperately clinging on to the third and fourth paragraphs of Steve's post.
I see so many great ideas here and ways to prevent leaders from abusing an opt out feature. I hope the big guys at supercell will impliment something soon!
Im going to use a Lord of the rings online example and i am sure most of the mmorpg players out there know what i'm talking about...
When i was playing Lord of the rings online, the leader of my Kinship (clan) picked the players that where ready to battle, he said he would'nt take any players that had low traits, poor gear...etc. It would compromise the raid.
If you wanted a spot on the raid you had to earn it... How?? by maxing out your character.
This applies to Clash of clans, i am the leader of a clan, and yes i consider myself elitist, i dont want to lose a war that takes 2 freakin' days just because some member(S) are inactive or just not ready to go to war, for example people who just rush their townhall to 10 and have level 2 air defenses.
Even if, like said before in the first post, it is my fault for accepting those players, most of them are friends or family and i won't kick them out, in all cruel honesty some just do not have that strategic ability or simply just suck at the game, i want to be able to pick which players are ready to war, yes it is a social game and thats the clan itself for(clan chat?), but the war part it is totally a different story.
being elitist with my clan mates pushes them to achieve perfection at what they are doing, even if it is as simple as a game. It is a way of life.
This game takes time, a lot of time maybe even a year to get to maxed town hall 10 without gemming i may be exagerating, but anyways like i said before all games are a waste of time, but if you are going to play clash of clans play it right or do not play at all.
"Even further, implementing a system that can enable undue pressure on players ("Opt out or we'll kick you" or "Give me Crab Claws or you can't come to war with us") falls far short of this mark."
Not having an opt-in/out is having this exact effect. Participate in war or be kicked, busy for the weekend? To bad, drop all those trophies you've worked so hard to get or be kicked. I understand and agree that if you're in a clan you should be all in but life doesn't always allow this. This very thing almost ripped our well established clan apart. I do agree that giving the leafs the ability to pick and choose may be a bit too much power but honestly if a clan is abusing that they wouldn't last anyway.
Clan wars are fun however, we are finding them to be a challenge to coordinate effectively for larger clans (ours is often full). Too often members are absent, uninterested, or otherwise unable to participate for one reason or another. This leads to wars being lost, the fun being drained (from war), and precious resources squandered. If that wasn't negative a impact enough, this is also leading to division within clans and two distinct types are beginning to emerge; clans that war and clans that don't. Even for designated "war" clans, the fun is being replaced by rigidity and intolerance.
Suggested means of combating this.
Add a 12-24 hour period before a match up is made for members to opt-in for war. Once match-up begins, you cannot join or leave (the war roster) until war is over.
Give leaders and co-leaders the ability to select who can participate in war via an eligibility flag.
A combination of the two.
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I do understand the fear of that power being abused by the leads. I do also understand your desire for everyone to participate in the wars. It's a great system that you've put countless hours of your life into. That said, you can't please everyone. I think an opt-in would work better, if a player is inactive at the wrong time then they may be inadvertently thrown into war.
Thank you for considering this though. I know it's s system that will need to have a ton of thought put into it first. Just really think sooner will be better than later for clans sake! :)
i think the opt out option would be a great idea we thought of it since war started. The reason was because it made a mess of our clan. And that clan died because of that. We were an active clan w 50 players. Called alpha throne. We would chat and we'll just a good clan. Then when war update came it all came down. Not everyone wanted to fight. People that wanted but couldn't because of lower trophies. People that were inactive or suddenly weren't active for 2 days. It all made it into a big mess.
We tried merging with two clans. It didn't work the first time the second time it kinda did but the same thing happened again. War lost because of inactive players. People frustrated because they had spent so much elixir on troops for cc war n for cc and war lost by just a few stars from the inactives. People came like recruited and some would attack some wouldn't even show up.
People just started to get frustrated. Others left and it was a mess. We even tried to make a clan war it didn't work people didn't wanna go to another war clan for fighting so the result was our clan died.
Now I'm with a great clan we do have a separate war because even though we are so active sometimes people get busy. People go on vacations or get busy that's life. It has work great. But it's hard to do it not everyone can have one. So and opt in or out option would be great. Letting people choose if they want in for next war. And letting leaders or co leaders choose if that person is available. Sometimes people come to mess wars too they join and don't attack and leave on war days too.
Your thread was quite interesting, and I agree, we need a option like that. Something I can't understand is why leaders are afraid members will abuse the button. If they abuse it, give them the boot! But please capitalize correctly and use correct grammar. It really makes it look official!