Opt-out for Clan wars option/button

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Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]

Hey Guys,

We've talked A LOT about adding an opt-out feature in Clan Wars and it's not currently in the cards. At this point, we just haven't found the right solution that fits Clash how it should.

We always try to avoid unnecessary complexity in our feature design and strive for features that work consistently and simply for all players. Some players would be thrilled with an opt-out system, but others would prefer things like opt-in, leader-chooses, variable team sizes, or other solutions. Also, letting players pick-and-choose what components of their clan experience they participate in is not a design philosophy we support. When you're in a clan, you should all be in it together! Even further, implementing a system that can enable undue pressure on players ("Opt out or we'll kick you" or "Give me Crab Claws or you can't come to war with us") falls far short of this mark.

That being said, we're in favor of adding more control and meaningful direction to Clan Wars. When we look into the next batch of Clan Wars features, that will be the time to reconsider things like opt-out systems, and possibly come up with better solutions that encourage everyone in their Clan to stick together and participate no matter what. We'll see what happens!

We'll keep tabs on any feedback and ideas you guys come up with for future Clan Wars improvements. Keep the feedback coming.

Cheers,

Steve

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We've been together for years, don't tell us what's best. We all agreed we want an opt out button that can be clicked before our leader or cos find a war. And in the end leader has an option to opt someone out who couldn't make opt out day.

It's very simple, give us the opt out button and let us run our own clans. Don't forget to give our leaders and cos the opt out single/ALL button too.

Give us the option we pay you enough money. Stop beating around good ideas just to think up other ways to siphon more money out of us for once.

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Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]

Hey Guys,

We've talked A LOT about adding an opt-out feature in Clan Wars and it's not currently in the cards. At this point, we just haven't found the right solution that fits Clash how it should.

We always try to avoid unnecessary complexity in our feature design and strive for features that work consistently and simply for all players. Some players would be thrilled with an opt-out system, but others would prefer things like opt-in, leader-chooses, variable team sizes, or other solutions. Also, letting players pick-and-choose what components of their clan experience they participate in is not a design philosophy we support. When you're in a clan, you should all be in it together! Even further, implementing a system that can enable undue pressure on players ("Opt out or we'll kick you" or "Give me Crab Claws or you can't come to war with us") falls far short of this mark.

That being said, we're in favor of adding more control and meaningful direction to Clan Wars. When we look into the next batch of Clan Wars features, that will be the time to reconsider things like opt-out systems, and possibly come up with better solutions that encourage everyone in their Clan to stick together and participate no matter what. We'll see what happens!

We'll keep tabs on any feedback and ideas you guys come up with for future Clan Wars improvements. Keep the feedback coming.

Cheers,

Steve

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Steve, there is an approach that would work well for all without being that tough to implement nor caange a lot else in the game.

I run a well organized war clan so I am in the contingent that wants this to use as a tool to better organize. (I don't consider kicking a good tool) My clan rules would not change if they added it, I will just be equipped with a smoother way of implementing them.

How it should work...

There should be a button (it can be a new one or the war shield can be modified) that toggles a player as in or out.

Access to hit the button to toggle should go to the leader and the player in question.
---- individual players cannot opt each other in or out
---- its an argument either way to give it to co as well - Good for clans where co is a management job, bad for clans that give it out like candy. (I consider the latter to be a sign of a bad leader)
---- A leader who abuses authority to opt guys in against their wishes are really just hurting their own selves for how they are adding a risk to their war participation. (the guy might then just not attack anyhow, if not seeing eye to eye with leader he wont care)
---- A leader opting a guy out against his wishes has that prerogative to decide who he wants in his war. And its still nicer than just kicking the guy like happens now.

The status of a player is only a factor right at the time a war starts. Instead of just selecting all eligible players from the total population it will just be all eligible players from the opted in group.
---- Can even implement by leveraging the existing eligibility functionality that currently is only driven by a timer.

After that everything works the same. The list of warriors from the clan is rounded to an even 5 via the existing logic and then the matchmaking calculation takes place also using the existing logic.

A player joins a clan with his eligibility set the same way it is today. (He is in unless there is a timer)


Things that would not happen -
...A player cannot add themselves to a war after the fact. If they change their status during a war it makes no difference until the next war when that status is read at startup.
...This would not serve as a way to replace members that take off during war. if they do that then there is the same affect on the war as there is today. Unused attacks stay unused. (it will never change that this just stinks when guys pull that stunt)

I really wish they would do this! We lost 5 good friends when wars started because they love clash but didn't like the pressure of war. I dont care how they do it, leader, player, or co leader switch.... short set, long set, or permanent. we need this! I miss my friends! Cmon supercell!

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Originally Posted by tmiller1200

I really wish they would do this! We lost 5 good friends when wars started because they love clash but didn't like the pressure of war. I dont care how they do it, leader, player, or co leader switch.... short set, long set, or permanent. we need this! I miss my friends! Cmon supercell!

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I lost several friends too, many of whom I've known for 1.5 years.

I built a new clan specifically for war (taking advantage of the nuances of the mathematics of the matchmaking system) with a few friends and some non-friend noobs and we trounce clan after clan -- maybe I am helping to destroy other clans now. But I would rather have my friends back than revenge.

My war clan is built to take advantage of the matchmaking system (I wish I didn't have to do this, but winning is good for morale and therefore clan health -- my previous clan was severely disadvantaged by the matchmaking system, so I'm simply adapting) and it has a permanent rule from the get-go: Everyone must use both attacks or they are automatically kicked (or demoted if they are co-leader / elder). This is the easiest way to ensure a clan is competitive for war, and never struggles due to lack of participation (we consistently have 88%+ participation, even with a lot of noobs in our clan.) We also do non-stop wars, because we like to rack up all these easy wins and loot bonuses.

But this no mercy auto-kick policy is pretty drastic, and leaves no room for friends! (Who want to stick together, but not necessarily put up with the pressures of war.) Grrr.

The game is less fun with my friends scattered abroad, and I'm semi-retired (partly because I lost some friends, partly because I'm busy, and partly because I've grown tired of the game after playing to level 139, and how matchmaking doomed my prior clan to endless war losses), only in our main clan now 10% of the time. It's been a fun ride, supercell.

Steve's words are final.

They know what they are doing and the impact it can cause if a little mistakes goes wrong.

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Originally Posted by Meharin

I lost several friends too, many of whom I've known for 1.5 years.

I built a new clan specifically for war (taking advantage of the nuances of the mathematics of the matchmaking system) with a few friends and some non-friend noobs and we trounce clan after clan -- maybe I am helping to destroy other clans now. But I would rather have my friends back than revenge.

My war clan is built to take advantage of the matchmaking system (I wish I didn't have to do this, but winning is good for morale and therefore clan health -- my previous clan was severely disadvantaged by the matchmaking system, so I'm simply adapting) and it has a permanent rule from the get-go: Everyone must use both attacks or they are automatically kicked (or demoted if they are co-leader / elder). This is the easiest way to ensure a clan is competitive for war, and never struggles due to lack of participation (we consistently have 88%+ participation, even with a lot of noobs in our clan.) We also do non-stop wars, because we like to rack up all these easy wins and loot bonuses.

But this no mercy auto-kick policy is pretty drastic, and leaves no room for friends! (Who want to stick together, but not necessarily put up with the pressures of war.) Grrr.

The game is less fun with my friends scattered abroad, and I'm semi-retired (partly because I lost some friends, partly because I'm busy, and partly because I've grown tired of the game after playing to level 139, and how matchmaking doomed my prior clan to endless war losses), only in our main clan now 10% of the time. It's been a fun ride, supercell.

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I hear you about the quitting of coc, I have waved good by to many coc friends now because the hard core 'everyone must be all in' approach to war is not to their liking or the loot shortage is wearing them out. (Usually they cite both)

I too have the same rule where both attacks have to be used or there is demotion or kick if already just member. And I allow absolutely no excuses. If a guy says they were suddenly unexpectedly busy I won't berate them or beat the horse over it, but they still take the penalty. Entering a war is treated as a commitment and any excuses no matter how good sounding are still just excuses, reasons why the commitment was not met. So in order to be fair I feel that I have to accompany that with an 'opt out any time no problem no limit' rule. If someone has a busy time in their life, are upgrading a hero, or anything else all they have to do is tell me and we don't put them into the war.

Currently I do this by kicking to start war then re-inviting. it is soooo awkward a way to handle this and even after everything is said it still does not sit well with folks. Its hard to make a guy that happens to understand that they are not in trouble, that its actually all good and commendable that they were not making a commitment to the clan they were not sure they could keep. There is too much perception that a kick is a negative. Also I have tried having a separate farm clan but guys (not all, but enough to matter) take that as being banished and still perceive that they have gotten in trouble.

I am surprised that SC has struggled so much to grasp the importance of this. They seem to think its a minor issue even after polls that show 80-90% of the population want it and even after all the quits. (New members attracted to war are not enough numbers to backfill those that are leaving because of the changes from war or loot reduction)

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Originally Posted by matthewe

Steve's words are final.

They know what they are doing and the impact it can cause if a little mistakes goes wrong.

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They can try their best, but anticipating game play decisions is hard, and they are not perfect.

They may yet realize that having myriads of clans either fall apart, quid/mostly avoid/not give a solid effort in wars, have strict kick policies, or repeatedly kick out confused and hurt clan members on a regular basis as normal every (other) day clan management outweighs any benefit they thought they would derive from opting out of opt-out.

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Originally Posted by matthewe

Steve's words are final.

They know what they are doing and the impact it can cause if a little mistakes goes wrong.

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Steve's words are final but he didn't say that they will or won't add it to the game. He said that they're looking for a fair way to add this without ruining the spirit of the game so we should keep talking about this

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Originally Posted by Sirix

Steve's words are final but he didn't say that they will or won't add it to the game. He said that they're looking for a fair way to add this without ruining the spirit of the game so we should keep talking about this

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That and final isn't the same as sound logic. Supercell is rightfully overly cautious, but sometimes this leads to seeing ghosts around corners. Overwhelmingly, leaders and players are calling for a feature that solves the issue of having to kick players that need to miss a war.


On a related note, I'd also like to see a 'reserve" feature. As in, if you have spectating members, and one of your members leaves in the middle of the war, the leaders could call up a reserve player.

agree on the reserve part. also on other news, so far their official post has not seen the light of day, been sitting on the same amount of upvote and comment.