Loot is slowly getting drier for TH9/10 and why (MINDBLOWING)

Disclaimer : This is not a thread complaining about loot!!
It's about raiding getting progressively harder every day.

1. What you need :
   Every account needs 2,875,201,950 gold to be maxed.
   Most of the gold needed is required in TH9 and TH10. A maxed TH8 needs 2,552,065,350 gold to be a maxed TH10.
2. What you produce :
   Level 11 gold mine = 3k gold per day, 72k gold per hour, 6 maxed gold mines = 432k gold per day. That's 2,500 days for 1 billion gold!! To get 2,875,201,950 gold would mean 6,656 days. Discouraging number. For TH9 and 10 alone that's 5,908 days!! (2.55b / 432k)
3. What you can raid :
   Assuming all loot produced is raided every 12 hours, one TH9/10 has to raid 5,908 other TH9/10's worth-of-a-day loot. Raiding TH8 is only viable for TH9.
   If there is exactly 5,908 TH9 in the realm, only 1 of them progress to maxed TH10 on average per day.
   Inactives which is removed from the queue does not inject resources to the economy.
   There are a finite amount of resources available to be raided.
4. Why there is clogging in the economic system?
   Because it takes 5,908 days for a new TH9 maxed TH8 and 748 days for a new account to be a maxed TH8 hitting upgrade to TH9 button, it could be assumed that it's only a matter of time before players are "clogged into" TH9/10.
   Except from a very few maxed TH10, every other TH9/10 out there is a gold sink. You will compete farming with them.
   Clogging in TH8 and lower is less severe because people move on to higher TH whereas the number of TH10 will never reduce except by quitting. TH10 is affected the most and TH9 is slightly affected because they have to compete raiding with more people.
5. The economic system as it is :
   Similar to a pyramid.
   It is working as intended but as i've stated before the longer you wait in the game, the more it will get harder for you to progress. As the game progresses, the pyramid turns into a hourglass. Raiding will get infinitely harder to the point of reverse pyramid where every active players are TH10 and the non TH10 are inactives.
   If more TH8 is turning into TH9 than TH9/10 quitting the game, getting loot is harder as the game goes on.
6. Other things to consider :
   Gold lost on nexting, gold gain on clan wars, gold gain on league bonus, gold produced from gemming/boosting and 7th mine is not accounted.
   Apparently the same goes for Dark Elixir... Elixir is the only resource which comes in abundance.
   Skipping level 8 walls and above saves you... 2,062,500,000 gold which is 4,775 days of resources. But the same cannot be said for dark elixir - you will always want them.
   
   If a mod or even better SC staff reads this, instead of paying ads and TV commercials why not increase longevity of the game?
   New stuff brings back old players, raiding keeps players playing, and longer boosting on collectors gives incentives for players to spend gems. A lot of my TH8 friends are now TH9 and they quit because they see too much 30k~50k raids.

Over dramatizing a bit. Most heavy farmers are in the 3-4 mil a day in raiding at TH9. Certainly it takes a big hit at TH10. Only way to make it much better is to reduce the loot penalty to make TH8's a better target but it's not going to fix anything, only push it down farther. People start playing, people quite playing. I don't see what they could really do, it's just the nature of the game as it's set up. Whenever we get a TH11 it may improve things a bit.

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Originally Posted by boomhower

Over dramatizing a bit. Most heavy farmers are in the 3-4 mil a day in raiding at TH9. Certainly it takes a big hit at TH10. Only way to make it much better is to reduce the loot penalty to make TH8's a better target but it's not going to fix anything, only push it down farther. People start playing, people quite playing. I don't see what they could really do, it's just the nature of the game as it's set up. Whenever we get a TH11 it may improve things a bit.

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Actually i'm one of those heavy farmers realizing that i need to dedicate a lot of time into this game the way it is designed and having my second thoughts... Lol...

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Originally Posted by hauw

1. Every account needs 2,875,201,950 gold to be maxed. [I'll take your word for it.]
2. Level 11 gold mine = 3k gold per day, 72k gold per hour, 6 maxed gold mines = 432k gold per day. That's 2,500 days for 1 billion gold!! To get 2,875,201,950 gold would mean 6,656 days. Discouraging number. [But people raid others, many people can earn 10x what they make from collectors by barch/BAM farming for 3-4 hours each day.]
3. Most of the gold needed is required in TH9 and TH10. A maxed TH8 needs 2,552,065,350 gold to be a maxed TH10. That's 5,908 days!! [See above.]
4. Assuming all loot produced is raided every 12 hours [why do you make this assumption? I leave my th outside and 95% of the time only lose 1000 of each gold and elixir each time I get raided], one TH9/10 has to raid 5,908 other TH9/10's worth-of-a-day loot. Raiding TH8 is only viable for TH9. [This is false. It's viable for TH9s to also raid TH9/10s.]
5. If there is exactly 5,908 TH9 in the realm, only 1 of them progress to maxed TH10 on average per day. [There's more than 5,908 TH9s in the realm. And people spend gems on their bases, which you don't account for.]
6. Because it takes 5,908 days for a new TH9 maxed TH8 and 748 days for a new account to be a maxed TH8 hitting upgrade to TH9 button, it could be assumed that it's only a matter of time before players are clogged into TH9/10. [Since TH10 is the current highest TH, then yes I agree, people who reach TH10 will be "stuck" there.]
7. Except from a very few maxed TH10, every other TH9/10 out there is a farmer. [Farming is a strategic choice of attacking and protecting one's resources. [How maxed your based is has no bearing on whether you are a farmer or not.]
8. If more TH8 is turning into TH9 than TH9/10 quitting the game, getting loot is harder as the game goes on. [How do you figure that? More abandoned TH9/10 means better loot from their abandoned collectors. This means loot is actually EASIER to get.]
   Supercell please fix this!!!!!!!! Introduce new loot to the system!

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quite honestly, I don't quite follow your train of logic for the reasons mentioned above in red. The loot system is fine.

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Originally Posted by hauw

Actually i'm one of those heavy farmers realizing that i need to dedicate a lot of time into this game the way it is designed and having my second thoughts... Lol...

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If it takes a long time to progress in the game, it's not because the loot system is broken, it's because SC designed it this way and doesn't want it to be too easy to max out your base. They want to keep you playing as long as possible. If you max your base fully, you're more inclined to get bored and quit, and in turn, they will make less money if this happens. More money = good.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

quite honestly, I don't quite follow your train of logic for the reasons mentioned above in red. The loot system is fine.

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Replied yours with mine in blue :D

1. Level 11 gold mine = 3k gold per day, 72k gold per hour, 6 maxed gold mines = 432k gold per day. That's 2,500 days for 1 billion gold!! To get 2,875,201,950 gold would mean 6,656 days. Discouraging number. [But people raid others, many people can earn 10x what they make from collectors by barch/BAM farming for 3-4 hours each day.]
   Someone has to produce that amount of loot. It doesn't just came out of nowhere.
   It means that maxing TH10 = 6,656 days of 6 level 11 gold mine whether it's yours or others.
2. Assuming all loot produced is raided every 12 hours [why do you make this assumption? I leave my th outside and 95% of the time only lose 1000 of each gold and elixir each time I get raided], one TH9/10 has to raid 5,908 other TH9/10's worth-of-a-day loot. Raiding TH8 is only viable for TH9. [This is false. It's viable for TH9s to also raid TH9/10s.]
   You get the wrong idea. Assuming you raid 5,098 another TH9/10 with 6 full and maxed gold mines it would take you to max TH 10. I never said anything about losing your loot.
3. If there is exactly 5,908 TH9 in the realm, only 1 of them progress to maxed TH10 on average per day. [There's more than 5,908 TH9s in the realm. And people spend gems on their bases, which you don't account for.]
   There is and i am merely stating the number. You also didn't account gold lost on nexting. And i'm not going to debate which is more, gold lost on nexting or gold produced by gemming. I am merely stating the number.
4. If more TH8 is turning into TH9 than TH9/10 quitting the game, getting loot is harder as the game goes on. [How do you figure that? More abandoned TH9/10 means better loot from their abandoned collectors. This means loot is actually EASIER to get.]
   Again you get the wrong idea. What i am saying is if there is 100 TH8 is turning to TH9/10 and 10 TH9/10 quitting, getting loot will get harder.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

If it takes a long time to progress in the game, it's not because the loot system is broken, it's because SC designed it this way and doesn't want it to be too easy to max out your base. They want to keep you playing as long as possible. If you max your base fully, you're more inclined to get bored and quit, and in turn, they will make less money if this happens. More money = good.

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Yeah i know but it has been over a year since the witch update and inferno tower update... Game is progressing slowly... I guess i'm just bored.

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Originally Posted by hauw

1. Every account needs 2,875,201,950 gold to be maxed.
2. Level 11 gold mine = 3k gold per day, 72k gold per hour, 6 maxed gold mines = 432k gold per day. That's 2,500 days for 1 billion gold!! To get 2,875,201,950 gold would mean 6,656 days. Discouraging number.
3. Most of the gold needed is required in TH9 and TH10. A maxed TH8 needs 2,552,065,350 gold to be a maxed TH10. That's 5,908 days!!
4. Assuming all loot produced is raided every 12 hours, one TH9/10 has to raid 5,908 other TH9/10's worth-of-a-day loot. Raiding TH8 is only viable for TH9.
5. If there is exactly 5,908 TH9 in the realm, only 1 of them progress to maxed TH10 on average per day.
6. Because it takes 5,908 days for a new TH9 maxed TH8 and 748 days for a new account to be a maxed TH8 hitting upgrade to TH9 button, it could be assumed that it's only a matter of time before players are clogged into TH9/10.
7. Except from a very few maxed TH10, every other TH9/10 out there is a farmer.
8. If more TH8 is turning into TH9 than TH9/10 quitting the game, getting loot is harder as the game goes on.
9. It is working as intended but as i've stated before the longer you wait in the game, the more it will get harder for you to progress.

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Nice going gemmer...........

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Originally Posted by hawdog

quite honestly, I don't quite follow your train of logic for the reasons mentioned above in red. The loot system is fine.

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You seems dont understand what op trying to point. They are assumptions, mathematically showing/assuming how loot circulating from th9/10 point of view. There are "ifs" there.

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Originally Posted by hauw

Replied yours with mine in blue :D

1. Level 11 gold mine = 3k gold per day, 72k gold per hour, 6 maxed gold mines = 432k gold per day. That's 2,500 days for 1 billion gold!! To get 2,875,201,950 gold would mean 6,656 days. Discouraging number. [But people raid others, many people can earn 10x what they make from collectors by barch/BAM farming for 3-4 hours each day.]
   Someone has to produce that amount of loot. It doesn't just came out of nowhere.
   It means that maxing TH10 = 6,656 days of 6 level 11 gold mine whether it's yours or others. Let me try again. YES, agree it would take 6,656 days to max out a TH10 base if you were ONLY using gold from collectors and you never got any of that gold stolen from you. But when you take into account that you raid other players and earn more than the 432k gold per day, you are able to progress FASTER by earning enough gold to do your next upgrade QUICKER than just collecting 432k gold each day. It doesn't matter who produces the gold, you steal it and it becomes yours. Their loss, your gain. I also win about 700k gold every two days from clan wars (if my clan wins, which is more often than not)
2. Assuming all loot produced is raided every 12 hours [why do you make this assumption? I leave my th outside and 95% of the time only lose 1000 of each gold and elixir each time I get raided], one TH9/10 has to raid 5,908 other TH9/10's worth-of-a-day loot. Raiding TH8 is only viable for TH9. [This is false. It's viable for TH9s to also raid TH9/10s.]You get the wrong idea. Assuming you raid 5,098 another TH9/10 with 6 full and maxed gold mines it would take you to max TH 10. I never said anything about losing your loot. You still didn't explain why you assumed all loot produced is raided every 12 hours. It is not really clear why you keep saying you raid 5908 bases :confused:
3. If there is exactly 5,908 TH9 in the realm, only 1 of them progress to maxed TH10 on average per day. [There's more than 5,908 TH9s in the realm. And people spend gems on their bases, which you don't account for.]
   There is and i am merely stating the number. You also didn't account gold lost on nexting. And i'm not going to debate which is more, gold lost on nexting or gold produced by gemming. I am merely stating the number. All your calculations are based off of 432k gold per day. This is false for anyone who raids other bases for a profit in gold each day. If I can raid 4 million gold in a day, I am earning 4 mil + 432k gold (minus say 500k gold in next costs, but + 300k gold in league bonus), I'm still earning gold fast enough to keep all 5 builders busy, allowing me to max my base MUCH faster than if I only earn 432k gold a day.
4. If more TH8 is turning into TH9 than TH9/10 quitting the game, getting loot is harder as the game goes on. [How do you figure that? More abandoned TH9/10 means better loot from their abandoned collectors. This means loot is actually EASIER to get.]
   Again you get the wrong idea. What i am saying is if there is 100 TH8 is turning to TH9/10 and 10 TH9/10 quitting, getting loot will get harder. But you neglect to consider that there are also new TH6s becoming TH7s each day, and TH7s becoming TH8s, it's an endless cycle with people getting stuck at TH10 eventually since that's the highest TH level right now. But who you encounter on raids is purely based on trophies, not on TH level, so you can encounter whichever types of bases depending on the trophy range you stay within.

Yeah i know but it has been over a year since the witch update and inferno tower update... Game is progressing slowly... I guess i'm just bored.

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green this time.

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Originally Posted by remired

You seems dont understand what op trying to point. They are assumptions, mathematically showing/assuming how loot circulating from th9/10 point of view. There are "ifs" there.

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I think I get it. I just see it differently. As you max out TH10 troops, you are very strong and are able to steal anywhere from 200k-300k of each gold and elixir from a rich TH9 or TH10 base in Crystal 1 or Crystal 2 league. This should take no more than 50-60 'next' clicks on average to find a base with this much stuff that you can raid. If you do this 10 times a day, that's 2-3 mil gold you earn per day (yes you lose gold in next costs, but you gain gold back from league bonuses and clan wars bonuses).

If you come across abandoned TH9/10 bases, it's even easier to ust raid their outer collectors as a TH10.

Yes, it's harder to get loot at TH10 compared to TH8 and TH9, but it won't take anywhere close to 6000 days to max TH10 if you farm gold actively.