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Originally Posted by Slaskio

30 years of gaming and you haven't played a multiplayer war game???

Spying is so common and normal in WAR games that some even invent troops called spies, to well spy on the enemy. Going back to my roots in travian and tribal wars, where we'd have spies everywhere sometimes in multiple clans. Having 3+ different groups for clan mates trusted clan mates and leaders deliberately giving out false information to who we thought were spies.

It isnt cheap, it is infact a very classy move to be able to pull it off, but it is dirty. War game people, i know you wouldnt have thought that before clan wars were introduced but thats what this game is.

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Again, my personal opinion is that it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ move. Doesn't make me right on the matter, and I'm not attempting to force my opinion on others regarding what is "cheap" in terms of what the game does and does not allow.

In any game really, there is a sort of an underlying standard or underwritten rule in the community in which the game lies and using such tactics are usually frowned upon by players of that community regardless to if the game allows it or not.

For CoC, spying is one of those issues. Yes, it is allowed and some may see it as a legit tactic to secure a competitive edge, but it is generally frowned upon by most players.

...And it does seem that a few others in this topic share my sentiment regarding the issue of spying in context to clash of clans. Other war games are irrelevant.

Our clan does not send out spies, nor have I ever had any real desire to do so myself. To each their own.

Anyway, I digress.

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Originally Posted by Firkrag

I'm impartial to the whole debate here. Though it sounds effective, I think it is way too much work and not worth the reward. Sure, you can spy go on bases all you want, know where their traps are and etc., but still end up only two starring or worse because you just flat out botched your attack..

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well thats why you go and click on war history and look at the replays of there last war. and what there enemys did. this way you canthen send the info bout the once tht got 3 stared . copy the same attack that last person did if they still got the same war base. did this when i first started the game but then thought to myself that i was not challenging myself so i stopped.

in my clan its simple just keep your clan closed. we dont need new members coming in and distracting us while we are at war( spy or no spy) even if its family or a friend. when its war time any convo you have is put on hold till we have secured a win or when war is over.

Historically, this is an acceptable approach in war of any kind...

I mean using cheap tricks to gain an edge is underhanded and scummy....but at the same time lets ask Tom Brady, 3 time super bowl MVP and 4 time champion how many times they have done something underhanded to gain a competitive edge and how many times it has worked....he would say as many times as they've been caught....call it underhanded, but if you walk away with the 'W' and are only bending the rules....well life is a grey area....

I would have recognized easily if this trick were used against my clan. We are immune to spying anyway.

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Originally Posted by ArseKickerson

I mean using cheap tricks to gain an edge is underhanded and scummy....but at the same time lets ask Tom Brady, 3 time super bowl MVP and 4 time champion how many times they have done something underhanded to gain a competitive edge and how many times it has worked....he would say as many times as they've been caught....call it underhanded, but if you walk away with the 'W' and are only bending the rules....well life is a grey area....

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But Tom Brady has a lot more to gain by way of underhanded tactics to gain a competitive advantage, such as money, fame, basically building his legacy and padding his Pro Football Hall of Fame statistics/awards/accolations.

You can't say that winning a few clan wars in Clash of Clans brings anything even REMOTELY near as lucrative as what Tom Brady stands to gain, right?

Apples and oranges, my friend.

My opinion is that the enjoyment of a good fair and competitive clan war against a formidable opponent that comes down to the wire gives way more excitement and pleasure than the measly loot you win that is equivalent to 2-3 abandoned base raids that you could have accomplished in an hour or raiding or less.

At the end of the day, there are players who will love clan wars for the "Art of War", and at the other end of the spectrum are players who just want to have the best possible chance of winning that war win bonus loot. Most clans fall somewhere in between.

But no matter how you like to play, you can't deny that spying is dishonest/underhanded/dirty play, notwithstanding of its benefits to increasing a clan's chance to win a war.

TL;DR: Spying can be an effective tactic to help your clan win a war, but if you use it, be real with yourself and to others, don't pretend you're not using a dirty trick to gain a competitive advantage. Like Barry Bonds' home run stat, your clan war win should also be branded with an asterisk for comparable reasons.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

Tell me how it is NOT dishonest??? You are posing as someone you are actually NOT. This is the definition of dishonest, buddy.

Like I already said, I've accepted it as a part of this game and have taken the necessary actions to not have our clan be affected by it.

No where in my post did I say it was not an effective way to help your clan's chances in getting the win. Any extra info would help of course, but that's not at all what I'm debating, so your constant "this is WAR" reasoning in this thread is a moot point. I know some people do whatever it takes to win a war, IRL and in this game.

My point is, it's dishonest and classless, fitting for the individual(s) who condone it. But you have fun winning wars this way, so good on you. Just how illegal drug dealers enjoy their dirty money.

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No where have I lied about spying. I am not going to come out and say I'm a spy but I am not going to answer if asked either.

I love all the comparisons to Tom Brady and drug dealers. It is obvious this is a great topic that deserves discussion and review from supercell.

All war games have spies. Including the oldie but goodie. Red Alert!! That war game had spies you could
Build and send into ent base to enhance your troops, you needed dogs to counter it.

Supercell should develope a counter spy update. That would be fun.

Spying is fun. Not in the sense that you get info, but seeing other clans and how they prepare.

Don't be a hater. Embrace it and learn

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Originally Posted by waynesworld

HOW DO YOU SPY AND HOW DO YOU DEFEND AGAINST IT? WELL HERE ARE SOME TIPS. FEEL FREE TO ADD ADDITIONAL TIPS IF YOU DESIRE.

First, what is spying? Spying is when a member of an opposing clan gets into the enemy stronghold by joining the enemy clan. The spy then gathers information via photographs of war bases (minimum) to chatting with the enemy clan during the war preperation to get all their strategies.

This guide will tell you how to spy, set up facebook page to share info, and how to defend.


How to spy:


First you get a member of your clan that meets the requirements of the enemy clan. That member leaves the clan and requests to join the enemy. (you will be surprised at how easy this is). It is ok if this member is part of your war membership. They can rejoin the war when they are done spying. If they are not part of war effort have them stay in enemy clan and provide intel through your webpage forum. (provided you have one) this will help if they try and counter by changing base layouts. (this is later in the guide)

Getting multiple spies in is teh best strategy, but one will be sufficient in most cases.

Be careful sending your #1-#5 clan members... try and send someone who is not in the war.... or send a mid guy. Less likely to get caught.

Photo's

Once they enter first thing... this is important... first thing is to immediately photograph war base layouts. Try and do it in order (helps with organizing it later).

Reward

Once photo's are completed, request troops. Hell why not grab some troops while there LOL. Grab wiz, dragon, hogs, whatever they give you. This is the best part, and a reward for being a damn good spy. If you have a good clan that you can easily get a hold of to get back in... stay for a while and farm on the enemies dime! This is even better! You can donate gobs or barbs here to make it look like you are a contributor too. Remember, your a spy don't look obvious.

Intel

Try and gather as much info as possible. This is done through regular conversation. EXAMPLE: "#8 looks tough I think I would try and hog dragon attack him" (of course you give a real bad attack strategy so they correct you). Then they say "hell no I am going to GOWIWI him". (look up gowiwi it is an attack strategy) Write this down... first bit of intel to share. Keep this going as much as possible.

Leave a present

Throw Gobs in their war requests for troops until they catch you.

Make a web page

I prefer facebook. This way your members can have a way of discussing strategies easier. If you have a real dedicated clan, you can have a clan strategy session in a group forum and discuss each base and the strategy on how to kill it.

FB is where you post photo's. Make a seperate album and label it with the opposing clan name... or even current war date. However you want is fine. Then post the current roster of enemy clan with the war bases in order.

If you have your own webpage... good for you. That is awsome!

You now have a basic spy set up for your clan. If you have successful spy stories.. share them :rolleyes:

HOW TO DEFEND

This is just as important! Defense! The easiest and most important.. Close your clan to new members. If you are invite only do not accept new members blindly. Check opposing clan roster. Do not just check war roster.. Go to enemy clan, click a profile, visit his farm base, click his CC (clan castle), and look at that roster. Photo it if you want.

This is not full proof though. If you did not do this at start of prep day, the person trying to join may have left and was not in war prior to you looking. As soon as enemy clan is found for our wars I immediately photo all their members and keep track.

What if you are spied?

If you are spied, a message should go to all members immediately. Then wait until one hour before war starts, if possible, and change base layouts. This can be as easy as moving bombs and traps around. This is my preferred defense. If you completely rearrange your base it will give it away that you know you were scouted. Soooo just move bombs to the locations where they will send troops and booom you defended the first spy attack. Remember any defense is usually only good for one attack; due to replays. But, defending one attack can mean the difference in war!
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hope this helps and feel free to add additional offensive and defensive strategies. Spying is part of every war through history. Have fun and be uccessful! :)

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No offence but this guide is rubbish. Spying and sabotage? Really?
Can you not win any other way?
is it really that useful to throw goblins in their cc?

one piece of advice to all and this is what we do:
EVERY TIME A WAR STARTS THE CLAN IS CLOSED. 100% PINEHEAD PROOF!
if anyone wants to join us they can contact through forum and we would accept only when war is over.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

But Tom Brady has a lot more to gain by way of underhanded tactics to gain a competitive advantage, such as money, fame, basically building his legacy and padding his Pro Football Hall of Fame statistics/awards/accolations.

You can't say that winning a few clan wars in Clash of Clans brings anything even REMOTELY near as lucrative as what Tom Brady stands to gain, right?

Apples and oranges, my friend.

My opinion is that the enjoyment of a good fair and competitive clan war against a formidable opponent that comes down to the wire gives way more excitement and pleasure than the measly loot you win that is equivalent to 2-3 abandoned base raids that you could have accomplished in an hour or raiding or less.

At the end of the day, there are players who will love clan wars for the "Art of War", and at the other end of the spectrum are players who just want to have the best possible chance of winning that war win bonus loot. Most clans fall somewhere in between.

But no matter how you like to play, you can't deny that spying is dishonest/underhanded/dirty play, notwithstanding of its benefits to increasing a clan's chance to win a war.

TL;DR: Spying can be an effective tactic to help your clan win a war, but if you use it, be real with yourself and to others, don't pretend you're not using a dirty trick to gain a competitive advantage. Like Barry Bonds' home run stat, your clan war win should also be branded with an asterisk for comparable reasons.

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“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

I'm glad you brought up the art of war....but to clarify my clan doesn't really spy....we have done it a few times...I don't find it particularly helpful, for the time you have to spend doing it. I'm not a fool I can look at your base and guess where traps are with pretty good accuracy. Also I am either going to lure your CC and kill whats in there, or I am gonna not worry about it and use my main force to take it out the way Gowipers always do.

My Tom Brady point is just that if you have the heart of a winner, then you do anything you can to win. If people find this helpful then try and do it. Micheal Jordan had a clause in his contract (one of the only sports stars to do so) that he could play basketball against anyone at anytime for any reason. When winning is the most important thing to you it doesn't matter if its a game or not....having this mentality means you will win at life.

I do agree that its dirty and underhanded....I started what I said with that....but I will never tell someone not to do everything they can to win....

First of all we hate spying :mad:

But the guide you provided is the most easiest way to get some super kick message from good clans lol

In our clan we have set these certain rules as we war constantly:

1) Do not accept people ( in the middle of war | which doesn't matter as we constantly war :P ) unless you meet them in Global or known to people in clan.
2) if any new comer gets in with good profile, accept and boot them with a kick message to join after a day or two considering how long the current war will go.
This part is very important as many people have their friends or second account to spy you and you can not trace them with the list of members in enemy clan.

We boot people who look for anything other than arch/wiz , so if you try to be smart with a hog or witch request that defaults to instant kick for new users :D

Once again this guide is not a successful guide for spying :P but the WORST GUIDE for spying

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Originally Posted by SparklesXng

War spectators can't donate to war clan castles lol

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They can see your CC troops and Army comp.When they return they will tell their clanmates to use troops that can counter CC troops.For example,a war base has a dragon and they spy tells the one who plans to attack it to bring Wizards along.Heeh.

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Originally Posted by Rajag89

First of all we hate spying :mad:

But the guide you provided is the most easiest way to get some super kick message from good clans lol

In our clan we have set these certain rules as we war constantly:

1) Do not accept people ( in the middle of war | which doesn't matter as we constantly war :P ) unless you meet them in Global or known to people in clan.
2) if any new comer gets in with good profile, accept and boot them with a kick message to join after a day or two considering how long the current war will go.
This part is very important as many people have their friends or second account to spy you and you can not trace them with the list of members in enemy clan.

We boot people who look for anything other than arch/wiz , so if you try to be smart with a hog or witch request that defaults to instant kick for new users :D

Once again this guide is not a successful guide for spying :P but the WORST GUIDE for spying

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This guide has been very successful.. Just because you do not like it, does not mean it is bad. These tactics work everytime. Spying does not help anyone who is very experienced in war... but it does help your new clan members to give them that little boost.

We have had people try this on us, but we have multiple clans so when new people try to join us during war unless we know them they get sent to the feeder clan until the war is over, that's the easiest way imo.. This way you don't turn away any potential recruits in the process.

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Originally Posted by Nirethell

We have had people try this on us, but we have multiple clans so when new people try to join us during war unless we know them they get sent to the feeder clan until the war is over, that's the easiest way imo.. This way you don't turn away any potential recruits in the process.

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Once you let someone in your clan.... if they instantly jump to your war bases.. they can photo all of them, even if you kick them... I do this on a regular basis.. even though i get base photo's i really want war history and attack info..

So you allow access to war bases but prevent war history info.. best advice... close clan.

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Originally Posted by waynesworld

Once you let someone in your clan.... if they instantly jump to your war bases.. they can photo all of them, even if you kick them... I do this on a regular basis.. even though i get base photo's i really want war history and attack info..

So you allow access to war bases but prevent war history info.. best advice... close clan.

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The only thing I have ever wanted if we were to spy would be the war log and attacks they use and the attacks used on their bases. Knowing where the traps are doesn't necessarily change anything to a 3 star. You still have to execute properly.

Easiest solution, like most have stated, keep your clan closed. If you're recruiting off global you can invite. If you're recruiting off the forums, or elsewhere, set the clan to invite only for a short period and tell your elders and co leads to accept so and so only. Then close it. Don't freely pass out elder and co spots.

like Bobby Shurmuda said Nah don't do that

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Originally Posted by popsiclepete2

like Bobby Shurmuda said Nah don't do that

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it is just a fun component of the game for some of us.

just bumping for fun to keep the thread alive

It doesnt really matter if people spy or not. If you are decent they cant stop your attack.

Although I am opposed to doing this, you offer good insight and help to prevent it.

Definitely a really fun and different guide.

I normally change my active base from a base that looks open to my strong war base about 10 minutes before it starts. Other than that, idk how you are supposed to stop spying other than not letting people in during war.

Our clan fights two wars over weekdays and accept new requests only on weekend. Its written in our clan description so clear for outsider. So no possibility of spying ... simple :)

And we don't try and do it on opponents because we fight and win :)

I find that a neat new feature to deter too much clan jumping would be a spy addition to troops. Clan leaders, co leaders, elders can have the ability to attach a spy to someone who joins a clan then jumps out after grabbing info or troops. Thoughts???

The new opt in/out feature has helped spying some... you can opt a spy out of war to get them in the other bases. that way they do not show up in search. Remember.... good clans know how to counter this. Try and keep your spy in opposing clan until war starts if possible to ensure you capture the actual war bases.

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Originally Posted by JacDias

Although I am opposed to doing this, you offer good insight and help to prevent it.

Definitely a really fun and different guide.

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I wanted to propose both sides... preventing spies is more important in my opinion.

i like this topic and i guess if you can't beat em, join em :D

Now all i need to do is form the perfect spy.

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Originally Posted by dansta31

i like this topic and i guess if you can't beat em, join em :D

Now all i need to do is form the perfect spy.

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Some people create a second account... be careful with your facebook page though. Make sure it is a group page.