I dont want to hear about lvl 9 TH loot penalty...

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April 17th, 2013
Fakhouri

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Originally Posted by RomeoX

Supercell should increase loot bonus for attacking a TH 9 from any other TH levels (8, 7, 6, etc)
2 x-bows, level 6 troops, archer queen, 30 CC troops, level 7 teslas with increased range, 4th wiz tower? Damn! Lol

Sir,

The range wasn't increases, the activation radius did.

About th9, you get great weapons, great upgrades, but in return, you get loot penalties, as always, you get, you lose.
April 17th, 2013
BloodSpiller

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Originally Posted by mgd6912

With all the tangible additions in this update geared towards level 9 TH, they pretty much made it a no brainer to rush to get to there. As if 2 X-bows, archer queen, DE drill, gold & elixir storage and a tesla werent enough, now they get another wizard tower. TH level 9 wont have to be worried about being raided by lower levels due to the sheer amount of defenses available. Level 5 troops stand no chance against a level 9 TH that has all of these defenses and one shot kills with maxxed defenses. No wait... there is the golem to even everything out!! :/ Level 9 TH's have no reason to complain about any loot penalty with all the stuff they have at their disposal vs. other TH's. If anything, they should have increased the loot penalty for attacking lower levels made more loot available for lower TH's attacking higher ones

I do like some of the other time decreases on the mines and pumps and the troops. I havent had a chance to try leagues yet.

Just upgrade your town hall problem solved.
April 17th, 2013
d3o

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Originally Posted by dahimi

This is nonsense.

You know all of those defensive upgrades you're talking about? Well they make it nearly impossible for a TH9 to raid another TH9 using inexpensive troops.

Quit complaining about TH9 getting all of these benefits. If you want them, simply level your TH up to level 9. Oh wait, you don't want to do that. Why? Obviously because of the damn loot penalty. It's ludicrous to say we shouldn't complain about the loot penalty when it is that very thing that is keeping you from upgrading and experiencing all of these amazing defenses.

If the defenses are so great and so amazing, such that they make the loot penalty irrelevant; then you should be TH9 no?

However, deep down you know the defenses won't mean ♥♥♥♥ for loot acquisition, which is why you'd rather complain instead of upgrade.

Well said.

Seriously, TH9 was a serious downgrade for quite a while. It only recently started looking like an upgrade.
April 17th, 2013
RomeoX

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Originally Posted by dahimi

This is nonsense.

You know all of those defensive upgrades you're talking about? Well they make it nearly impossible for a TH9 to raid another TH9 using inexpensive troops.

Quit complaining about TH9 getting all of these benefits. If you want them, simply level your TH up to level 9. Oh wait, you don't want to do that. Why? Obviously because of the damn loot penalty. It's ludicrous to say we shouldn't complain about the loot penalty when it is that very thing that is keeping you from upgrading and experiencing all of these amazing defenses.

If the defenses are so great and so amazing, such that they make the loot penalty irrelevant; then you should be TH9 no?

However, deep down you know the defenses won't mean ♥♥♥♥ for loot acquisition, which is why you'd rather complain instead of upgrade.

Hasnt it occurred to you that not all players started this game at the same time, and thank you for confirming that it has become more and more a TH 9 vs everyone else. One of the great aspects, if not the greatest, that this game offers is a balanced multiplayer environment, whether you started yesterday or 6 months ago, there is a great, balanced multiplayer scheme that new players could actually survive in and I believe once SC drifts away from that, this game will start to go downhill, why do you think they decreased the available loot to 20%? What's wrong with adding an extra loot bonus incentive for attacking a TH 9 from TH 8 and below?
April 17th, 2013
RomeoX

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Originally Posted by Fakhouri

Sir,

The range wasn't increases, the activation radius did.

About th9, you get great weapons, great upgrades, but in return, you get loot penalties, as always, you get, you lose.

TH 9 has been getting and getting but what have you guys lost? Tell me...
April 17th, 2013
Asasnator

DO you not understand how easy it is to earn loot at TH7-8 and below? I absolutely loved TH7-8 they were the easiest TH levels OF THE GAME. EASIEST. So why in the world would they try to make it any easier just confounds me. They already have the benefit of being able to find a lucrative base within 1 min of searching and earn back ANY AMOUNT of resources they might have lost to the big bad TH9. They NEED to increase the amount you can steal, they went the wrong way with this update. You SHOULD be able to steal 30-35% of storage resources up to 400k. "Why that is insane! I will lose so much then!" Oh wow...do you not understand that you already earn 200k+ each attack, and if they increased it to 400k you would be getting 400k-600k each attack BECAUSE TH7-8 is so easy. I mean honestly...think about it a little more indepth, just because you might lose more doesn't mean its a bad way to go. I have attacked probably 100x (successfully) more than I have lost in defence. And I am sure that is pretty close to spot on for you guys as well.
April 17th, 2013
RomeoX

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Originally Posted by Asasnator

DO you not understand how easy it is to earn loot at TH7-8 and below? I absolutely loved TH7-8 they were the easiest TH levels OF THE GAME. EASIEST. So why in the world would they try to make it any easier just confounds me. They already have the benefit of being able to find a lucrative base within 1 min of searching and earn back ANY AMOUNT of resources they might have lost to the big bad TH9. They NEED to increase the amount you can steal, they went the wrong way with this update. You SHOULD be able to steal 30-35% of storage resources up to 400k. "Why that is insane! I will lose so much then!" Oh wow...do you not understand that you already earn 200k+ each attack, and if they increased it to 400k you would be getting 400k-600k each attack BECAUSE TH7-8 is so easy. I mean honestly...think about it a little more indepth, just because you might lose more doesn't mean its a bad way to go. I have attacked probably 100x (successfully) more than I have lost in defence. And I am sure that is pretty close to spot on for you guys as well.

Lol! You obviously don't understand why super cell decreased the loot you can steal. Reasoning with you would be a complete waste of time, sorry I ain't got time for that!
April 17th, 2013
mgd6912

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Originally Posted by dahimi

This is nonsense.

You know all of those defensive upgrades you're talking about? Well they make it nearly impossible for a TH9 to raid another TH9 using inexpensive troops.

Quit complaining about TH9 getting all of these benefits. If you want them, simply level your TH up to level 9. Oh wait, you don't want to do that. Why? Obviously because of the damn loot penalty. It's ludicrous to say we shouldn't complain about the loot penalty when it is that very thing that is keeping you from upgrading and experiencing all of these amazing defenses.

If the defenses are so great and so amazing, such that they make the loot penalty irrelevant; then you should be TH9 no?

However, deep down you know the defenses won't mean ♥♥♥♥ for loot acquisition, which is why you'd rather complain instead of upgrade.

Well if it is impossible for TH9 to raid another TH9, imagine how impossible it is for a TH8 to raid a TH9 with weaker troops and with TH9 having 2 xbows,a tesla, extra level of defense (mostly level 7 for WT, Mortars and Teslas), archer queen, and now ANOTHER WT?? The loot "penalty" should be in place with such a disparity between TH8 & TH9.

And just fyi, the reason I have not upgraded to TH9 yet is that I went up pretty quickly to TH8. I decided to slow down and try and upgrade my walls, defenses etc to max. There is no way I would be able to upgrade all the things I wanted to with all the extra goodies TH9 gets. Thank you for giving your best effort trying to assume why I have not upgraded to TH9 yet.

And I agree with what RomeoX had to say about this discussion.
April 17th, 2013
dahimi

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Originally Posted by RomeoX

Hasnt it occurred to you that not all players started this game at the same time, and thank you for confirming that it has become more and more a TH 9 vs everyone else. One of the great aspects, if not the greatest, that this game offers is a balanced multiplayer environment, whether you started yesterday or 6 months ago, there is a great, balanced multiplayer scheme that new players could actually survive in and I believe once SC drifts away from that, this game will start to go downhill, why do you think they decreased the available loot to 20%? What's wrong with adding an extra loot bonus incentive for attacking a TH 9 from TH 8 and below?

Of course different people start at different times. So what? Are you saying that people who started earlier and have played longer should not be rewarded for doing so? Furthermore why complain that TH9 gets more stuff? Of course they do. Otherwise people who have been around the longest will run out of things to upgrade. How does TH9 getting more things effect lower level TH people? TH9 can't really benefit from attacking them because of the penalty, and lower th level people still have tons of ♥♥♥♥ to upgrade. They always have the option of upgrading their TH too.

Does it honestly make sense to you that with all of these new troops and toys, that TH9s should envy TH7 for their ability to acquire loot? As you increase in TH level the price of everything jumps up. Does it make sense that the ability to acquire resources should decrease?

The problem is upgrading your TH punishes you 3 times.

1. The search cost. It nearly doubles when going from TH7->TH9.
2. The penalty.
3. The reverse bonus.

There is logic to having a penalty, yes, so that someone who is TH9 cannot relentlessly loot someone who is say TH7. However, at TH9 the penalty gets very prohibitive. It forces you to search through a lot more targets to find a good one. That's where the search cost comes in and smacks you. It is not uncommon to have to spend 50k or more finding a good target. A big part of that is all of the extras TH9 get. It is not really practical for TH9s to attack other TH9s. If these toys were given to TH8, it would literally become impossible to gain loot at TH9.

I don't really understand the point of the loot bonus either. The penalty keeps lower ths from being preyed on. What does the bonus do? Why do lower ths need an incentive to attack higher ones when they have so much more opportunity within their own th range than at TH9 does? If they want to do this, they should remove the loot penalty on a revenge.

Lower level th should not be able to attack higher ones without fear of retribution.

So...here's what I think they need to do.

1. Lower the TH9 search cost. It should top out at TH7.
2. Add TH9 only level 12 collectors that pump out 5k an hour.
3. Modify the leagues. The bonuses are a joke right now. Even 100k/100k at the top end are not enough to make a profit when you factor in the armies you need to build to win at those levels.
4. Remove the loot bonus or remove the loot penalty on revenge.
April 17th, 2013
dahimi

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Originally Posted by mgd6912

Well if it is impossible for TH9 to raid another TH9, imagine how impossible it is for a TH8 to raid a TH9 with weaker troops and with TH9 having 2 xbows,a tesla, extra level of defense (mostly level 7 for WT, Mortars and Teslas), archer queen, and now ANOTHER WT?? The loot "penalty" should be in place with such a disparity between TH8 & TH9.

And just fyi, the reason I have not upgraded to TH9 yet is that I went up pretty quickly to TH8. I decided to slow down and try and upgrade my walls, defenses etc to max. There is no way I would be able to upgrade all the things I wanted to with all the extra goodies TH9 gets. Thank you for giving your best effort trying to assume why I have not upgraded to TH9 yet.

And I agree with what RomeoX had to say about this discussion.

You don't need to. You can raid TH7 and other TH8. The only reason for you to even consider raiding TH9 is for trophies, and are you honestly going to argue that a TH8 has equal right for trophy acquisition over a TH9?

Also you know darn well you haven't upgraded because of the penalty. Saying you couldn't upgrade TH8 stuff because you'd have new TH9 stuff to upgrade is absolutely ridiculous. It's not like you lose access to the TH8 stuff when you upgrade. You just get a wider pool of upgrades to choose from. If the TH9 upgrades are so much better, one would think you would have no problem delaying the TH8 stuff for a bit.

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