Clan wars - Allegiance and Empire

Well here is an idea I had to push the clan wars logic a bit further that would help having more clans fighting the clan wars, because many clans don't participate either because the loot is not good enough or because, it takes time over their farming time.

When a clan defeats another clan in the clan wars, the logic would be that the loser would surrender to the winner.

The defeated clan should then swear allegiance to the conqueror.

Let's now say, your clan wins a war, then you have gained control over another clan, starting to build your empire.

The clan under your control, should give a contribution to your clan. A certain amount of loot, due every end of each season. Of course, this loot wouldn't have to be paid literaly by the loser clan, because that would prevent the clan to go to war. But the loot would be calculated automatically in functions of the clan size and at the moment of the war. For instance winning a war against a clan with 50 players, would bring more loot than a war versus a smaller clan. The loot should be divided between the winning players in function of the stars they won for the clan. The reward would then depend on the quality of the player, ie, its contribution in winning a war.

Every war won would increase the number of clans under control and the total loot received at the end of the season.

This would push every clan to battle so they could actually increase the wealth of their own clan, not just in a war but in a more permanent way, the duration of an imperial period, say 4 or 6 regular seasons.

A clan which is undefeated will proudly have its own banner on the castle clan, when a losing clan should then wear the color of its victor.

Let's introduce the notion of empire: let's now say clan A beats clan B. Clan B should now be renamed "clan B part of the A Empire".

Like in the online battles where you can actualy take revenge on somebody that attacked you, the possibility should be the same for the whole clan, so they could regain their freedom and dignity.

So once every 2 seasons, the clan B should be able to take revenge on the clan A to regain its freedom and start an empire on its own. If it cant be done, the clan B will have to endure to be part of of the A Empire 2 more seasons.

If, while under the control of the A Empire, the clan B happen to beat the clan C in a war, the clan C would automaticaly become part of the A Empire, as well as the B sub-Empire (the ruler of my ruler is my supreme ruler). Increasing the size of the A Empire and the B sub-Empire. If the clan B loses to the clan C, then it wouldnt be part of the A Empire anymore, having been colonized by clan C, ie, becoming part of the C Empire.

If clan C happens to be part of the D Empire, the clan B would then pass from the A Empire to the D empire and the C sub-Empire.

This would bring a new aspect to the game by trying to dominate the biggest empire possible during the imperial period, and gaining more loot from the clan wars.

A clan that disbands, would automaticaly be withdrawn from its current empire.

I believe we could then have a new way for every clan to try to dominate not only one opponent clan, but the whole game.

I hope my idea was clearly explained, and I 'm willing to discuss the pros ans cons with anybody willing to bring an argument!

Till then.... CLASH ON!!

Ahouuu ahouuuu!! Come in my empire!!!

Interesting idea but I can see 2 major flaws. First up we cannot un-choose a mismatched war opponent so this will discourage involvement at the risk of being mismatched. Based on the number of threads on this topic it seems the issue of mismatches has not been resolved. Secondly, what if A beats B, B beats C and C beats A? Is B now part of the C empire despite beating them?

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Originally Posted by Ferg

Interesting idea but I can see 2 major flaws. First up we cannot un-choose a mismatched war opponent so this will discourage involvement at the risk of being mismatched. Secondly, what if A beats B, B beats C and C beats A?

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Basically the mismatch wont be worst than it is actualy. And it's been better since they correct it.

If A beats B then B becomes part of the A empire
Then B beats C: B and C are part of the A empire
Then C beats A: C gained its freedom and can start a new empire on its own. B is still part of the A empire.


It's gonna be the choice of the clan to go against their ruler or not...they can also choose to be part of an empire and try to expand it.

Sorry I edited my post to try and clarify. Given the sheer number of clans, it is unlikely a clan can ever free itself. Mismatches are still a major problem so until that is resolved this would be unpalatable to most, unless there was a smaller time period, eg a 2 week seasons at which time everything starts again from scratch. I would prefer that a losing clan is still able to build its own empire so you have empires within empires.

Per the unlikely example I gave, B should also be free given it beat C which beat A.

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Originally Posted by booshiboosh

Basically the mismatch wont be worst than it is actualy. And it's been better since they correct it.

If A beats B then B becomes part of the A empire
Then B beats C: B and C are part of the A empire
Then C beats A: C gained its freedom and can start a new empire on its own.


It's gonna be the choice of the clan to go against their ruler or not...they can also choose to be part of an empire and try to expand it.

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As i explained, a clan will have opportunity to regain its freedom by doing a revenge against its current ruler. This opportunity should arise every 4 seasons, so we have time to actually make several wars and expand an empire.

In that case, let's say some player left one of the clan and the clans are let's say 40 in the A empire and 20 in the C vassal clan....then it's gonna be a war 20 vs 20...so the vassal clan has a fair chance to leave if it is its will. The 20 playerspicked from the biggest clan being the more matched players to the clan with less players.
So it wouldn't be always the same players defending their conquests.

But yeah, I said 4 seasons...it could be shorter indeed...

Understood, however this comes back to my point about mismatches : if a clan loses due to a mismatch then no number of revenges over any time period will see that clan able to free itself. So I'm not sure the revenge is as useful as you think. Hence my suggestion of empires within empires to address this issue; should losing clans still be able to build their own sub-empire? Furthermore, in building an empire, if we beat a clan that loses to another, it doesn't seem right that they would then disappear from my empire. An alternative solution is that a clan remains under your empire for the remainder of the 'empire period' (a season?) unless they earned their freedom by winning 3 (consecutive?) clan wars. In my opinion, an empire cannot take a clan from another empire, they should only be able to gain clans that are currently not in an empire. But I like the idea of gaining loot from your empire, I am not sure about the mechanics from a practical perspective.

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Originally Posted by booshiboosh

As i explained, a clan will have opportunity to regain its freedom by doing a revenge against its current ruler. This opportunity should arise every 4 seasons, so we have time to actually make several wars and expand an empire.

In that case, let's say some player left one of the clan and the clans are let's say 40 in the A empire and 20 in the C vassal clan....then it's gonna be a war 20 vs 20...so the vassal clan has a fair chance to leave if it is its will.

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The mechanics in establishing an empire as you describe it is interesting too. But then your question about A beating B beating C beating A....how do you resolve it?

And i liked the idea of putting my flag on the conquered clan :)

So what would be the flag on the clan castle of a sub empire, the supreme ruler? Or the sub ruler?

As for the loot: my idea was that the clan wars and loot, should be the same as before. It would be an extra loot, given at the end of each season, that would be obviously smaller, given the exponential profit that you could gain.

If the loot by conquest is around 10'000 elix and gold (maybe 50 dark elexir?)...if you multiply that by let's say 10 vassals, it starts already to be interesting. If you manage to conquer more, you could even gain the equivalent of a day of heavy farming.


And in my opinion, we should be able to steal clans from another empire...the ultimate goal being to become the biggest empire of clash of clan...and you can't achieve that if you dont steal vassals from others.

In the logic I described, it would be more interesting to be able to acquire powerful clans in an empire, so that those clans could win other clans in the empire. If you aquire a bad clan due to mismatch, then you gonna lose it quickly to another empire. Wouldn't that re-establish the balance?

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Originally Posted by booshiboosh

Basically the mismatch wont be worst than it is actualy. And it's been better since they correct it.

If A beats B then B becomes part of the A empire
Then B beats C: B and C are part of the A empire
Then C beats A: C gained its freedom and can start a new empire on its own. B is still part of the A empire.


It's gonna be the choice of the clan to go against their ruler or not...they can also choose to be part of an empire and try to expand it.

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K I like this idea but if c beats a then all under A's rule should now become c, or freed because then there is no more empire if the head of the empire is no longer, Also do a week to two week season and give clans the option to stay part of the empire or, go out on there own again! If they go out on there own then they get to redo their clan name! Also there should be a way for leaders and co leader to chat with the new conquered clan! But with a mute button In case of abusive language!

Scenario:
A beats B; B is part of A empire.
A beats C; C is part of A empire.
B beats D; is D a sub-part of A, or part of B empire, or both?
D beats A; what now?

I can see these options:
1) B owns D, which owns A, which owns C
2) D owns A, which owns C, but B is now free
3) D owns A, which owns B and C
4) A owns B and C but D is now free
[edit] 5) A owns B but C and D are now free [end edit]

Thoughts? I don't like any of these options, they all have flaws.

Understood re exponential growth hence the appeal. Vassals building sub clans allows the head clan to grow. I don't see the flags changing but I see a vassal would show their immediate empire's details and those of the ultimate empire. So growth comes from beating free clans, and beating other empires. I don't like the idea of losing vassals....just my opinion. :)