Deploy Available Builders in Raids

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Originally Posted by JoshSommers

Thank you for sharing the link. I did search, but was not able to find anything because I was looking specifically for the idea of being able to deploy builders, which, in my humble opinion, is better than using troops to do it because builders remove obstacles and troops fight wars. And yeah, lots of haters and trolls on here, but that's to be expected, and I won't be deterred. This is just business as usual for the internets: nerds and kids acting tough behind the safety of their keyboards.

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I think you and a lot of others need to look at the forum guides dude calling name's and other abusive behavior as such can get you banned!!!!

People who play the game a lot know what will happen! Do you think supercell meant for the trophies system to be used to farm! I don't think they did!!
What you propose would cause everyone to gem farm supercell gives everyone free GEMS to make them want more!!! It's a incentive to spend money and to keep playing!!

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Originally Posted by conradlovejoy

Yeah, I get your point and it makes sense on that note (that builders are the ones who remove things), however it is kind of nonsense to think about bringing along one's builders into battle. I do like where your head is at with the builder thing because it is much more original than the idea I had. I just thought the only way one should be able to try to remove other people's obstacles is if their army had already achieved 100% destruction AND there was still time left on the clock. That way, people can't just troll for other people's gems by dropping in a few builders around the perimeter where there is no protection.

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Good points raised for both sides of the argument, but at the end of the day, this game has thrived not having ever allowed obstacles (especially gem boxes) to be removed by an attacker.

Changing this rule could introduce such detrimental consequences as mass player rage quitting (possibly), and exploiting of gem farming (yes, this will be dependent upon the specifics/cooldowns I understand).

Bottom line is that the game ain't broke in this regard, so no need to implement something very controversial that may have severe adverse effects on both player base and profit model (gem purchasing, or lack thereof). The reward for SC is so not worth the risk they would be taking on.

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Originally Posted by JoshSommers

I realize that reading is hard, but perhaps you should read the entire post before you start flaming other peoples posts. You may not like the idea, which is fine, but if you had read my entire post, then you would realize that I have put a lot of thought into it- certainly more thought than you put into your response. But by all means, if you think there are pros and/or cons that I have not thought about, please feel free to elaborate, or you could just crawl back into your parents basement and continue being a hater troll.

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Number one keep in mind not everyone is a child hiding behind a keyboard that shows your maturity level right there! I am 26 with a wife and daughter and if you think your talking to children you shouldn't be trying to bully them!

Pros
You can get closer to maxing out your base a lot faster
You can collect a lot more GEMS without spending money
You increase the difficulty of the game

Cons
People who try to collect the trees for a bigger gem chance now can't do so
Top players would drop their levels to hunt beginners who don't have enough gold and elixir to cut everything down
Lower levels get mad when they realize what higher levels are taking from them and quit
No new free players to the game, means game popularity goes down
No longer a free to play game
In order to keep up and not lose your GEMS is to protect you trees
In which case you lose your resources
Defences are made easier because defences are spread out to much to try and guess where the next tree is placed or gem box
Strategy and competition goes out the door
The game after all is said and done becomes another back drop in the world of games!!!!!
The end

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Originally Posted by JoshSommers

Not if your builders have to sleep after being deployed, and not if people cleaned up their bases.



Yep, and everyone has one.



Perhaps you are missing the point. If I can remove your obstacles, you would be more inclined to remove them, as would everyone else. And if you can remove my obstacles, I can remove yours too. What goes around comes around. Same amount of gems in the game changes nothing in terms of SC profits. As far as strategy goes, you are also missing the point. Sure, you could just remove all of your obstacles, but you could also position traps around them to take out builders. Deploying builders would be a risk because they are so frail, and if hurt you would lose them for a long period of time, and if not hurt there would still be a delay before you could deploy them again.

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1. Not everyone's got their builders available.
2. There is potential that an attacker will find the gem box before the owner actually finds it himself. Ex. overnight
3. Bases that have long quit cannot clear their bases.
4. Noob bases are extremely vulnerable to high base attacks.

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Originally Posted by JoshSommers

Clean up your base and nobody can steal "your stuff".

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Oh of course. That solves the issue completely. :rolleyes:

Fortunately the developers at SC are not brain damaged and we don't have to worry about this getting implemented.

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Originally Posted by Street3

This will never happen if it does I will quit clash of clans for good!!!!

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One can only hope.

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Originally Posted by Street3

Supercell gives everyone the same amount of free GEMS, unless you don't cut down trees and such, that's when you begin to miss out on free GEMS!!

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And that would be your loss for failing to capture those free gems. On the other hand, you would have every opportunity to go steal them from someone else too. Like I said before, what goes around comes around.

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Originally Posted by Street3

There is no reason to start gem farmers
And it would cut supercell profits because those that just get started in this game would no longer receive free GEMS which would make the game harder on them giving them no incentive to stick around!!!!!!

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While I am sure you are very concerned with how much profit SC makes, you fail to understand that they would be giving out the same amount of gems that they give out now. Players would still receive free gems, but if they fail to capture those gems, then they are fair game for others to capture. New players would still receive the same number of free gems that they receive now, and they could also attain free gems by stealing them from others. In fact, since many new players cannot even afford to capture their own gems because of the cost of removing obstacles, they would now have a GREATER opportunity to capture free gems from bases that they raid because there would be no resource cost associated with removing obstacles during a raid.

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Originally Posted by Street3

Number one keep in mind not everyone is a child hiding behind a keyboard that shows your maturity level right there! I am 26 with a wife and daughter and if you think your talking to children you shouldn't be trying to bully them!

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I'm not bullying anyone. When you conduct yourself like a child, don't be surprised when people make the mistake of thinking you are one.

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Originally Posted by Street3

Pros
You can get closer to maxing out your base a lot faster
You can collect a lot more GEMS without spending money
You increase the difficulty of the game

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With appropriate cool-down periods, this ultimately changes very little in the game. I steal a few gems from you, you steal a few from me, and it's more or less a wash. Someone who spends a lot of time farming gems would have fewer builders upgrading or constructing new buildings and so progress would be slowed for them. The difficulty of the game remains unchanged. The fact that I can raid unremoved obstacles by putting a builder at risk does not change the difficulty of the game, but it does add a layer of strategy into the game- do I choose to risk my builder with the hope of gaining some gems? Do I choose to leave obstacles as lures for raiding builders, or do I remove them all as soon as they appear? Do I choose to leave my base cluttered with obstacles as some weird form of "decoration", with the risk that they will be stolen during a raid, or do I wisely remove them as soon as possible to prevent theft? These are all choices, and choices make games interesting, just like you get to choose what to upgrade when, how to arrange your base, what troops to build and deploy, who to attack, what to spend gems on, etc. These are all choices and they all make the game more interesting and allow for individual expression.

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Originally Posted by Street3

Cons
1) People who try to collect the trees for a bigger gem chance now can't do so
2) Top players would drop their levels to hunt beginners who don't have enough gold and elixir to cut everything down
3) Lower levels get mad when they realize what higher levels are taking from them and quit
4) No new free players to the game, means game popularity goes down
5) No longer a free to play game
6) In order to keep up and not lose your GEMS is to protect you trees
In which case you lose your resources
7) Defences are made easier because defences are spread out to much to try and guess where the next tree is placed or gem box
8) Strategy and competition goes out the door
9) The game after all is said and done becomes another back drop in the world of games!!!!!
The end

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While I appreciate that you made an effort to ensure your con list was longer, it's just pumped up with a bunch of emotion and opinion.
1) How do you figure? You can still remove all of your trees before someone can steal them. Also builders take time to remove obstacles so a single builder would really only be able to take one or two obstacles down in a single raid, and only if they are unimpeded.
2) Top players buy gems. Being able to steal 4 or 5 gems, or at the most 25 (from a gem box) with the risk of putting a builder to sleep for 12-24 hours is not incentive enough for people to level down to steal gems because in the long run it will halt progress. There could also be penalties just like with loot so that a high level player raiding a low level player has a much smaller liklihood of getting gems out of an obstacle, and a much smaller number of gems that can be attained if that obstacles does produce gems. For example, if a high level player raids a low level player and manages to steal a gem box, he might only get 5 gems out of it, and the remaining 20 gems would go to the person they were stolen from.
3) Noobs will quit whether gems can be raided or not. There is no shortage of players, new or old.
4) Nobody is going to not try the game because they heard that gems can be stolen. Most people don't even realize the value of gems until they have already spent too many of them anyway. Besides, everyone has equal opportunity to raid obstacles from everyone else.
5) How exactly is the game no longer free?
6) Yes exactly- clear your obstacles and they can't be stolen, simple as that.
7) It would be silly to attempt to predict where obstacles will appear and I doubt anyone would try to do that. But if a gem box did appear, you could use it to lure builders into traps which would ultimately penalize the person who was trying to raid you by disabling that builder for a significant period of time.
8) Adding a new level of strategy around obstacles has no effect on existing strategy.
9) Your ability to predict the future is questionable.

You're spinning your wheels, man. You won't find very many people on this forum who are willing to listen to logical arguments once they have decided your idea is "awful." "It will ruin the game because I don't like it" with some half-baked reasoning behind it laid out in numbered lists is about the bulk of what you're going to get coming back at you and it's just going to cause a silly internet fight. This one is long enough. You made logical points and arguments toward most of the retorts but no one that thinks you're idea is bad wants to hear logic that nullifies their argument. Welcome to the forum...

Close this thread.

This is a great idea. 😀