Vamboozle: A Northern Teaser TH9 Base

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August 25th, 2014
Micchr

Vamboozle: A Northern Teaser TH9 Base

Intro
There are many great TH 9 bases out there, but they tend to be more focused for people who maxed TH8 before moving to TH 9. For example I was using the great base Ringus, but the giants would just walk around my base and then heroes and archers would wipe my resources clean. So I came up with Vamboozle, an anti-giant, anti-barch base for the more rushed of town halls.

Vamboozle v1.0
http://i.imgur.com/KuvKftu.png
http://i.imgur.com/s3MLWnG.png
As you can see the defenses are loaded on the bottom of the base and there is a giant/hog trap at the top of the base. This leaves no good spot for the attacker to place their troops. The air defenses also cover most of the base for anti-air support.

Path of Hogs
http://i.imgur.com/tm30foN.jpg
Many attackers may look at this base and see there is no double giant bombs so it is good to hog it. Although this may be true, the giant bombs will still kill level 1 or 2 hogs and there is splash damage throughout the entire bottom of the base, making healing spells much less effective allowing the hogs to die. If they hog from the top the hogs will go over springs and bombs while backtracking to where they started due to the teslas.

Defense Logs
http://i.imgur.com/2tPaHRu.png
http://i.imgur.com/uWUwfrr.png
http://i.imgur.com/Tj3bgou.png
http://i.imgur.com/Ma3JIep.png
http://i.imgur.com/g8acynX.png
http://i.imgur.com/VaMMu5W.png
During all these attacks I had 4 defenses upgrading and 150K+ gold available. No mass dragon attacks yet. The levels of the attackers were: 91, 91, 93, 77, 130, 114, 77, 83, 83,85,73,82,68,105,99,119,112,68. Will be posting more attacks as they come in.
Pros
Anti-Barch Mortars
Unlureable CC
Centralized AD
Long Path for Hogs
Giant/Hog Trap
Cons
No double bombs
Easy to barch from the top
Weak point defense placement
Mediocre loot protection
Vamboozle v2.0
http://i.imgur.com/7O2dotV.png
Many high level attackers will see the trap on the top and immediately attack from the bottom instead. This is why Vamboozle 2.0 shows the trap on the top, but has moved all the traps to the bottom so when they attack from the bottom the attack will be destroyed. Note Vamboozle 2.0 is untested and probably should be tweaked.

Please let me know what you think. Any suggestions are appreciated

Sorry if the pictures don't work, having technical difficulties.
August 25th, 2014
Micchr

Reserving for future use
August 25th, 2014
firelizard

And how is this a northern teaser?
August 25th, 2014
Micchr

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Originally Posted by firelizard

And how is this a northern teaser?

Isn't that what it is called when you put most of the defenses on one side and a trap on the other.
August 25th, 2014
Micchr

So any suggestions other than criticizing the name?
August 25th, 2014
IHateWalls

Bad Air Defense and Xbow placement, needs to be more centered than faced towards the North (Which ironically makes your base less of a "northern" teaser).
August 25th, 2014
Micchr

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Originally Posted by IHateWalls

Bad Air Defense and Xbow placement, needs to be more centered than faced towards the North (Which ironically makes your base less of a "northern" teaser).

Why are the air defenses bad? To me I thought it was good because they were covering the entire base. And where do you suggest I put the xbows?
August 25th, 2014
MrScribbler

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Originally Posted by Micchr

Why are the air defenses bad? To me I thought it was good because they were covering the entire base. And where do you suggest I put the xbows?

The amount of air def coverage really isn't all that important, unless you're worried about being 1-starred (and let's be honest, with your defense levels you don't have the luxury of being able to worry about that. What's important is having lots of air defenses firing on the same targets at once, which you don't have. Combine that with your low air def levels and your base is an easy 2-star for a th 8 with drags (even with all 4 air def working) and gives th 9s a good shot at 3 stars.

Also, you seem to be confused about the function of the heal spell when using hogs. It basically cancels out all splash def, meaning that even if you put all your splash in the same place, you're not going to beat hogs at th 9 with splash (as you hopefully found out when 20 hogs were enough for 2 stars on you).
August 25th, 2014
Micchr

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Originally Posted by MrScribbler

The amount of air def coverage really isn't all that important, unless you're worried about being 1-starred (and let's be honest, with your defense levels you don't have the luxury of being able to worry about that. What's important is having lots of air defenses firing on the same targets at once, which you don't have. Combine that with your low air def levels and your base is an easy 2-star for a th 8 with drags (even with all 4 air def working) and gives th 9s a good shot at 3 stars.

Also, you seem to be confused about the function of the heal spell when using hogs. It basically cancels out all splash def, meaning that even if you put all your splash in the same place, you're not going to beat hogs at th 9 with splash (as you hopefully found out when 20 hogs were enough for 2 stars on you).

Yes that is the point of having all the splash there. If you negate the healing spell hogs are much easier to kill using only point defenses. And the only reason the hogs were able to 2 star me was because my traps had been set off, my heroes were killed and my clan castle had been killed. If I had these the hogs would have been stopped much sooner.

You do have a valid point with the air defenses though. Which is why I asked IHATEWALLS where he thought I should put them. Do you have a suggestion?
August 25th, 2014
WoWnoMore

Try to imagine what your base looks like to attackers, not what it looks like to you. When I see your base, there's huge red flags all over the north side of it. I see the possibility of mass spring traps, giants bombs, bunched teslas or clusters of small bombs. Depending on my army, my first inclination would be to hit your base from the bottom left or right side. Realistically, it looks like your base is performing well and you have the logs to back it up. So, just keep plugging away and tweaking based on your defenses.
August 25th, 2014
Micchr

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Originally Posted by WoWnoMore

Try to imagine what your base looks like to attackers, not what it looks like to you. When I see your base, there's huge red flags all over the north side of it. I see the possibility of mass spring traps, giants bombs, bunched teslas or clusters of small bombs. Depending on my army, my first inclination would be to hit your base from the bottom left or right side. Realistically, it looks like your base is performing well and you have the logs to back it up. So, just keep plugging away and tweaking based on your defenses.

Glad you have the same mind set as I do. That is why I made Vamboozle v2.0. People see those red flags and then fall into the trap of attacking from the bottom.
August 25th, 2014
DreddM

I like the design.

I think its always good to look at a base and trying to decide how would I attack it.

If I'm barching, your DE is not safe. Any traps or bombs on the north side I will trigger with a few troops and open the way for the rest of the army. After I take out those defenses you leave me easy Elixir and my troops can open a hole in that compartment which gives me access to your DE w/o worrying about any mortars or any splash damage reaching those babies. To me this is a big red flag because DE needs to be guarded much better.

If I'm doing a combo Barch/Giant/Wbs/Gobs it will all depend on if I get my wbs in quick enough to punch a side open. I would attack possible where the top two army camps are and maybe let a single giant go towards the teslas if possible. But once I open up the wall to the cannon/WT you've lost all funneling as my army will go into the middle. I'm probably making this sound easier than it really is and it depends a lot on those WBS not sucking.

To me this base needs some reworking if your DE can be picked off with BARCH.
August 25th, 2014
Micchr

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreddM

I like the design.

I think its always good to look at a base and trying to decide how would I attack it.

If I'm barching, your DE is not safe. Any traps or bombs on the north side I will trigger with a few troops and open the way for the rest of the army. After I take out those defenses you leave me easy Elixir and my troops can open a hole in that compartment which gives me access to your DE w/o worrying about any mortars or any splash damage reaching those babies. To me this is a big red flag because DE needs to be guarded much better.

If I'm doing a combo Barch/Giant/Wbs/Gobs it will all depend on if I get my wbs in quick enough to punch a side open. I would attack possible where the top two army camps are and maybe let a single giant go towards the teslas if possible. But once I open up the wall to the cannon/WT you've lost all funneling as my army will go into the middle. I'm probably making this sound easier than it really is and it depends a lot on those WBS not sucking.

To me this base needs some reworking if your DE can be picked off with BARCH.

Yes my DE is very weak. If you wanted to you could switch it with the TH or the clan castle, because it still wouldn't be easy to lure out the troops. I personally never have more that 20K DE so it is not a problem for me, anything they steal I can make back easily. Thanks for the suggestion.
August 25th, 2014
Micchr

3 more defense logs up
August 25th, 2014
DreddM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micchr

Yes my DE is very weak. If you wanted to you could switch it with the TH or the clan castle, because it still wouldn't be easy to lure out the troops. I personally never have more that 20K DE so it is not a problem for me, anything they steal I can make back easily. Thanks for the suggestion.

Your DE focus will change as you move more into TH9.
August 25th, 2014
Micchr

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreddM

Your DE focus will change as you move more into TH9.

What you mean my level 3 and 5 heroes don't cut it? :p
August 26th, 2014
IHateWalls

I would replace the Xbows with the Top Air Defenses, the Air Defenses in the middle with the Xbows, the Archer Towers under the core with the Air Defenses, and scoot the Archer Towers to where the first set of Air Defenses were. Centered Xbows are needed to take advantage of the range and Air Defenses in the second layer of a base makes Giant Healer much harder.
August 26th, 2014
Micchr

Is this what you were thinking?

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHateWalls

I would replace the Xbows with the Top Air Defenses, the Air Defenses in the middle with the Xbows, the Archer Towers under the core with the Air Defenses, and scoot the Archer Towers to where the first set of Air Defenses were. Centered Xbows are needed to take advantage of the range and Air Defenses in the second layer of a base makes Giant Healer much harder.

http://i.imgur.com/yOS1IO8.png
August 27th, 2014
Micchr

I have now change the wall set up slightly to make it look like there is double giant bombs so I shouldn't be getting hogged anymore. Also new defense logs.
August 27th, 2014
Micchr

With the new defense logs the base is at 12 wins and 4 losses.
August 28th, 2014
i3luechaos

Just don't see how this base does any good being a premie th 9.

In the 18 defense logs you posted you lost
2,372,616 elixer
1,227,290 gold
5,757 de

In my opinion that's a lot lost for what it's worth. Who cares whether you win or lose. Upgrading (which I know you are doing) is more important than pushing.

My opinion is strictly for others, as a premie. Not everyone is stacked up on resources & they are valuable. Put the th outside & protect the resources. Get sniped, enjoy a shield. Attack back to back when you're on. Easy to hang in crystal with the Th on outside without much work. In my last probably 100 defenses, I was sniped 99 times & lost 1 revenge for 120k gold, 80k elixer to a giant/witch attack (when I stole 300k off the guy that revenged me for his +2 trophies he got back.)
August 28th, 2014
wizkid101

looks good however...

The centre compartment in the base is way to big, if someone was to put a rage that could clear out a huge portion of the base, i recomenmend making the compartment smaller and leaving gaps in the walls and put traps for funnelling
August 28th, 2014
Micchr

Quote:

Originally Posted by i3luechaos

Just don't see how this base does any good being a premie th 9.

In the 18 defense logs you posted you lost
2,372,616 elixer
1,227,290 gold
5,757 de

In my opinion that's a lot lost for what it's worth. Who cares whether you win or lose. Upgrading (which I know you are doing) is more important than pushing.

My opinion is strictly for others, as a premie. Not everyone is stacked up on resources & they are valuable. Put the th outside & protect the resources. Get sniped, enjoy a shield. Attack back to back when you're on. Easy to hang in crystal with the Th on outside without much work. In my last probably 100 defenses, I was sniped 99 times & lost 1 revenge for 120k gold, 80k elixer to a giant/witch attack (when I stole 300k off the guy that revenged me for his +2 trophies he got back.)

You make it seem like that is a lot of loot. It is only about 68K gold per raid. Most of the time I have well over 200K available, 68K is only about 1 storage. If I can hold a level 95 to 1 storage I am happy. Before I was using Ringus and I was winning battles, but loosing on average 130K per raid. I couldn't care less about elixer, I have been maxed for 5 days straight. The only problem is the DE. And I have used farming bases before. Only about 6 out of 10 people will snipe the TH, others will just do a full out attack for an easy 2, maybe 3 star.
August 28th, 2014
Micchr

Quote:

Originally Posted by wizkid101

The centre compartment in the base is way to big, if someone was to put a rage that could clear out a huge portion of the base, i recomenmend making the compartment smaller and leaving gaps in the walls and put traps for funnelling

The point was to not have gaps in the walls because walls slow giants down so much and I have most defenses hitting them on the bottom. The center is a fairly standard 3x3
August 29th, 2014
TheJ

Honestly, it's not a great base. Your logs are alright, but being 78% and losing 500k res to BArch isn't good at all. Base is title is deceiving but I am not worried about that. Hogs paths are wrong (the one where they attack X-Bows). The design looks sloppy, but deceit is an important factor in bases. I wouldn't use this but who knows others may.
August 29th, 2014
sepulse

tbh DE storages is easily accessible and those top gold storages too.