Leaders can decide who to go to war

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August 25th, 2014
anhreg

Leaders can decide who to go to war

I not sure if this thread has been requested before, if yes excuse me to post again

I think leaders and co-leaders should be able to decide what members to go to war before searching. This is because:
- Not every members have much free time to go to war
- Temporarily inactive members that should not be kicked out
- Some suck at war, but they are good friends, one
- Some totally don't like clan war
- Some don't want to go to war because they have their spell factory upgraded
- ...

They are my clan members, they are forced to go to war, they don't fight. After many loses, they argued, blamed one to another. Some say no more clan war, some say yes and all I can do is to kick some out, search war then invite them back (some ignore the invitation). Clearly it's not a good walkaround. All of this makes us frustrated.

If this feature is implemented in the future, I believe that it will end a lot of troubles in my clan and others too.
August 25th, 2014
nht

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Originally Posted by anhreg

I not sure if this thread has been requested before, if yes excuse me to post again

I think leaders and co-leaders should be able to decide what members to go to war before searching. This is because:
- Not every members have much free time to go to war
- Temporarily inactive members that should not be kicked out
- Some suck at war, but they are good friends, one
- Some totally don't like clan war
- Some don't want to go to war because they have their spell factory upgraded
- ...

They are my clan members, they are forced to go to war, they don't fight. After many loses, they argued, blamed one to another. Some say no more clan war, some say yes and all I can do is to kick some out, search war then invite them back (some ignore the invitation). Clearly it's not a good walkaround. All of this makes us frustrated.

If this feature is implemented in the future, I believe that it will end a lot of troubles in my clan and others too.

Good Idea ;););););)
August 25th, 2014
themariofan

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Originally Posted by anhreg

I not sure if this thread has been requested before, if yes excuse me to post again

I think leaders and co-leaders should be able to decide what members to go to war before searching. This is because:
- Not every members have much free time to go to war
- Temporarily inactive members that should not be kicked out
- Some suck at war, but they are good friends, one
- Some totally don't like clan war
- Some don't want to go to war because they have their spell factory upgraded
- ...

They are my clan members, they are forced to go to war, they don't fight. After many loses, they argued, blamed one to another. Some say no more clan war, some say yes and all I can do is to kick some out, search war then invite them back (some ignore the invitation). Clearly it's not a good walkaround. All of this makes us frustrated.

If this feature is implemented in the future, I believe that it will end a lot of troubles in my clan and others too.

This could be very easily abused, and there are 2 much better options--individual opt-in/out and the way it is now.
August 25th, 2014
o0oAnnyo0o

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Originally Posted by themariofan

This could be very easily abused, and there are 2 much better options--individual opt-in/out and the way it is now.

I don't think it CAN be abuse in anyway.

If the leader doesn't want you to go to war, they can ALWAYS kick you out.

If they opt you out AND you are not happy about it, you can ALWAYS quit the clan.

War is TEAMWORK. Leader is LEADER. They should be able to manage their Army in a strategic way. Making Leader choosing their line up is important in all sports. Making them not be able to choose their line up, and have to go to war with everyone in the clan is like telling a football coach to put every players he has onto the field.
August 25th, 2014
Jietoh

TH10, max troops in a clan with TH6 and TH7. He is removed from the war by the leader or opts out himself. Donates his max troops to clan castles on the war map as well as his teammates for their war attacks. His teammates slaughter their poor TH6-TH7 opponents who don't have the advantage of max troops.

It's very easy to see how this can be exploited...
August 25th, 2014
caokimkhanh

Strongly agree!

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Originally Posted by o0oAnnyo0o

I don't think it CAN be abuse in anyway.

If the leader doesn't want you to go to war, they can ALWAYS kick you out.

If they opt you out AND you are not happy about it, you can ALWAYS quit the clan.

War is TEAMWORK. Leader is LEADER. They should be able to manage their Army in a strategic way. Making Leader choosing their line up is important in all sports. Making them not be able to choose their line up, and have to go to war with everyone in the clan is like telling a football coach to put every players he has onto the field.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anhreg

I not sure if this thread has been requested before, if yes excuse me to post again

I think leaders and co-leaders should be able to decide what members to go to war before searching. This is because:
- Not every members have much free time to go to war
- Temporarily inactive members that should not be kicked out
- Some suck at war, but they are good friends, one
- Some totally don't like clan war
- Some don't want to go to war because they have their spell factory upgraded
- ...

They are my clan members, they are forced to go to war, they don't fight. After many loses, they argued, blamed one to another. Some say no more clan war, some say yes and all I can do is to kick some out, search war then invite them back (some ignore the invitation). Clearly it's not a good walkaround. All of this makes us frustrated.

If this feature is implemented in the future, I believe that it will end a lot of troubles in my clan and others too.

A coach chooses his players. So do leaders. They should have right to choose who stand beside them in battle fields.
August 25th, 2014
o0oAnnyo0o

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Originally Posted by Jietoh

TH10, max troops in a clan with TH6 and TH7. He is removed from the war by the leader or opts out himself. Donates his max troops to clan castles on the war map as well as his teammates for their war attacks. His teammates slaughter their poor TH6-TH7 opponents who don't have the advantage of max troops.

It's very easy to see how this can be exploited...

It's just... wrong.

1. You CAN'T donate to war map if you are not in War list.
2. He can quit the clan. They start the war and he can rejoin and donate for everyone in the clan for the attack. NOTHING stops him from doing it now.

Please tell me again how the opt out can be exploited?
August 25th, 2014
JtB

Quote:

Originally Posted by anhreg

I not sure if this thread has been requested before, if yes excuse me to post again

I think leaders and co-leaders should be able to decide what members to go to war before searching. This is because:
- Not every members have much free time to go to war
- Temporarily inactive members that should not be kicked out
- Some suck at war, but they are good friends, one
- Some totally don't like clan war
- Some don't want to go to war because they have their spell factory upgraded
- ...

They are my clan members, they are forced to go to war, they don't fight. After many loses, they argued, blamed one to another. Some say no more clan war, some say yes and all I can do is to kick some out, search war then invite them back (some ignore the invitation). Clearly it's not a good walkaround. All of this makes us frustrated.

If this feature is implemented in the future, I believe that it will end a lot of troubles in my clan and others too.

I agree, we need this!
August 25th, 2014
themariofan

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Originally Posted by o0oAnnyo0o

It's just... wrong.

1. You CAN'T donate to war map if you are not in War list.
2. He can quit the clan. They start the war and he can rejoin and donate for everyone in the clan for the attack. NOTHING stops him from doing it now.

Please tell me again how the opt out can be exploited?

A leader (particularly a troll co) could just pick a small group of friends or a few low levels to skew the average in their favor.
August 25th, 2014
o0oAnnyo0o

Quote:

Originally Posted by o0oAnnyo0o

I don't think it CAN be abuse in anyway.

If the leader doesn't want you to go to war, they can ALWAYS kick you out.

If they opt you out AND you are not happy about it, you can ALWAYS quit the clan.

War is TEAMWORK. Leader is LEADER. They should be able to manage their Army in a strategic way. Making Leader choosing their line up is important in all sports. Making them not be able to choose their line up, and have to go to war with everyone in the clan is like telling a football coach to put every players he has onto the field.

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Originally Posted by themariofan

A leader (particularly a troll co) could just pick a small group of friends or a few low levels to skew the average in their favor.

If you want to war and he doesn't let you, would you stay in his clan? No, you will quit. Would he opt you out if he know you will quit and he want you in his clan? No, he would not.

If you are in his clan and he doesn't want you to war, what can he do? Yes, he can kick you out. What can you do? Find another clan.

If you want to skew the average in their favor, what can you do? Make a bunch of TH3. Gems up (250 gems) and bring it to your clan. What else can you do? Kick people out.

Conclusion: Anything- bad/good- that opt out can do, people can currently do it with kicking people out. Opt out just make it more convenient. However, the usefulness of opt-out is out weight. People doesn't have to make another clan just for war. Friends can stay in the same clan. You don't have to kick casual player out every time you start a war. People with high trophy who doesn't want to war doesn't have to war. People who has important update (spell, for example) doesn't have to war, etc.
Kicking people effects their donation number. Sometime there are races. Sometime clan having donation rules that members has to follow, etc.

And one more things: Please don't argue that it's more convenience so people would skew the war in their favor more. If people want to ♥♥♥♥♥, they would go through a great length to ♥♥♥♥♥. Plus, for example, a bunch of th10 using TH3 to skew the average. You are a TH8 in the clan and you want to war, but they won't let you. Would you stay in that clan? Really doubt it :)
August 25th, 2014
JohnnyBGood

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Originally Posted by o0oAnnyo0o

You don't have to kick casual player out every time you start a war.

This is the only reason I'm not in favor of the "opt-out" button. My clan already divided into two, as it was clear to us that some members take war more seriously than others. I don't like the idea of having a bunch of casual players along for each war as "spectators," as I'm afraid it will ruin the intense atmosphere during battle day! Everyone in my clan is "all in" when it comes to war, and that's the way I like it. I don't want to have a dozen semi-active players on our roster, just because it's easy enough to let them keep opting out of each war, and I'm afraid that's what we would have happen if the button is created. Right now, if you are going to be inactive for a period of time, you drop out before matchmaking or go to our farm/feeder clan. If a player wants to join our war clan but is far behind the rest of us (or has a rushed TH that we're not comfortable with), we ask that player to spend some time in our farm/feeder clan before joining us. I suppose we could keep our current system even if the opt-out button is created, but the bottom line is that I'm happy with things the way they are, and fear change!
August 25th, 2014
JoeBro24

Choose amount, not who

I think the way to solve the worries of abuse is easy. Allow the clan leader to choose if he wants a 10v10, 15v15, 20v20, etc. that way the temporary inactives or those who are not good at war don't have to go to war because the top players will go to war.

Not sure if this has already been suggested, but quickly looking over it I think this is a good way to prevent abuse.

Also could help discourage dropping trophies and farming... if your not in the top however many, you don't go to war and possibly cause your clan to lose.
August 25th, 2014
JohnnyBGood

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Originally Posted by JoeBro24

I think the way to solve the worries of abuse is easy. Allow the clan leader to choose if he wants a 10v10, 15v15, 20v20, etc. that way the temporary inactives or those who are not good at war don't have to go to war because the top players will go to war.

I don't see how this would solve anything for anyone. You think that only players with low trophy counts go "temporarily inactive" in this game?
August 25th, 2014
Silvex

OMG... clan leaders... please learn how to operate/organize/run your war clans! geesh. u either war seriously or just go become a farm clan!
August 26th, 2014
DiabloForce

I think you have to decide what the point of your clan is. Are you there just for troop support, raiding tips, etc., or are you a war clan? If a war clan is what you want then you should send out a clanmail and recommend to those that aren't interested in war that they leave. In my clan, everyone attacks their opposite base with the first attack, (i.e., if you are #30, you attack #30) and then uses the second attack as a cleanup. The second attack needs to be close to your original number. We generally use 90%+ of our attacks and we kick inactives. People who can't participate generally let us know ahead of time.
August 26th, 2014
DuaneDibbley

Only thing i would suggest for this is to limit the number of people the leader can opt out, e.g. if 50 people in clan can only opt out 5.

Otherwise clans would tend to only put top10 people forward and would quickly kill off larger clan wars
August 26th, 2014
Jietoh

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBGood

the bottom line is that I'm happy with things the way they are, and fear change!

THIS is my main concern with an opt out button... Gamers are always looking for ways to create an edge for themselves. Maybe I'm not smart enough to figure out a way to exploit this but I'm sure there are tons of people who are. I think clan wars are fun the way they currently are. Creating this option will change clan wars and I fear that it will be for the negative.
September 4th, 2014
anhreg

Technically, the removed-from-war members and the non-eligible-to-war are the same

Technically, the members removed from war by the leaders and the non-eligible-to-war members are the same. When calculating the average of the clan, the game maker has to exclude removed-from-war members like what they have done to the non-eligible-to-war members.

The abusing is another story. Currently, a weak clan can invite strong members for donation during the battle day. We don't have to wait for this feature to abuse. So please stop discussing about abusing.
September 4th, 2014
LegionOK

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Originally Posted by caokimkhanh

A coach chooses his players. So do leaders. They should have right to choose who stand beside them in battle fields.

That's right. If I choose you to be in my clan, I expect you to participate in war. No excuses.

If your clan can't have that same requirement, we deserve to beat you.
September 4th, 2014
anhreg

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Originally Posted by LegionOK

That's right. If I choose you to be in my clan, I expect you to participate in war. No excuses.

If your clan can't have that same requirement, we deserve to beat you.

You got her wrong. She wants to choose members to go to war!
September 4th, 2014
anhreg

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Originally Posted by Silvex

OMG... clan leaders... please learn how to operate/organize/run your war clans! geesh. u either war seriously or just go become a farm clan!

It's good for you to have a clan with 50 members playing well all the time with you, that you don't have to kick anyone because of their absences in war.
September 4th, 2014
UberJray

Seriously

How could leaders possibly abuse this. We as leaders already kick as needed!

Leaders abusing it ha, what nonsense...
September 4th, 2014
anhreg

Quote:

Originally Posted by UberJray

How could leaders possibly abuse this. We as leaders already kick as needed!

Leaders abusing it ha, what nonsense...

Right! leaders don't need to wait for this feature to abuse. They kick.