Vampire, not a mist-stake!

Description: Out of the mystical dark elixir came a creature, the vampire, who now has special abilities to allow him to survive if not thrive in sunlight. He seams to have no special weakness to the inferno towers. This powerful creature has two abilities which players may chose from to increase his tactical superiority.

(Say in movietheatre voice or in a creepy narrative one when you read the following)

Form 1 (Flying form): Stalks minions everywhere, his precious minions, and he is fast AND furious (i guess)
Form 2 (Tank Form): After defeating an opposing clan castle troop, the opposing troops becomes half alive, regaining 75% of its former health and 75% of its strength to attack the opponent. health decays at a rate of 2% per second (just to make it clear, the defender), also, the vapire is heals himself by 18 points per bite (at level 1) (CAN be hit by all traps but spring trap as he is so light footed, he doesn't set it off.)

Special Weakness: archer towers do 200% damage to Vamps because of the wooden shaft, this also includes archers.

Note*** i have previously said that the vampire has to take part in the attack of a cc troop to "zombify" it. With the rebuffs of stats, that is subject to change

Both have a blood lust ability, targets nearest defensive tower/any troop, any attacks with x2 damage, 1.5x speed, 4 seconds, happens after 50% health

Vampire was colored blue like in asdmus's depiction making him impervious to high heat... 50% resistance to inferno tower, 200% susceptibility from arrows

When each one dies, small beam of light draws vampires and minions alike to kill the building that destroyed the previous one... finishes off each building if multiple are set off... first one set off draws attention, doesn't release attention until the tower is destroyed


Vampire level 1:
Flying Form
Training Cost: 367 dark elixer
Training Time: 8 minutes
Housing Space: 17
Damage per Second (DPS): 56
Attack Speed: 1.0 seconds
Damage per shot:56
Hit Points: 1080
Movement Speed: 26

Vampire level 2:
Flying Form:
Training Cost: 387 dark elixir
Training Time: 8 minutes 30 seconds
Housing Space: 17
Damage per Second (DPS): 71
Attack Speed: 1.0 seconds
Damage per shot: 71
Hit Points: 1280
Movement Speed:26

Vampire level 3:
Flying Form:
Training Cost: 412 dark elixir
Training Time: 8 minutes 30 seconds
Housing Space: 17
Damage per Second (DPS): 84
Attack Speed: 1.0 seconds
Damage per shot: 84
Hit Points: 1410
Movement Speed:26

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Vampire level 1:
Tank Form:
Training Cost: 367 dark elixir
Training time: 8 minutes
Housing Space:17
Damage per Second (DPS): 108
Attack Speed: 2.0 seconds
Damage per shot: 216
Hit Points: 950
Movement Speed:18
Regen per bite: 18 HP

Vampire level 2:
Tank Form:
Training Cost: 387 dark elixir
Training Time: 8 minutes 30 seconds
Housing Space: 17
Damage per Second (DPS): 138
Attack Speed: 2 seconds
Damage per shot: 276
Hit Points: 1060
Movement Speed: 18
Regen per Bite: 23 HP

Vampire level 3:
Tank Form:
Training Cost: 412 dark elixir
Training Time: 8 minutes 30 seconds
Housing Space: 17
Damage per Second (DPS): 146
Attack Speed: 2 seconds
Damage per shot: 296
Hit Points: 1193
Movement Speed: 18
Regen per Bite: 28 HP

Available at db level 8 or 9, th 11, cost to upgrade to those barracks 3.5 mil elixir
Lab for Level 1 (both): n/a and n/a
Lab for Level 2 (both): 8 and 44,400 de
Lab for Level 3 (both): 8 and 55,500 de
Lab for level 4 (both): 9 and 66,600 de
The choice is yours as to how you make your vampire abilities. Remember that you only get to chose one before each and every battle. Just go into army camp, troop info, click on vampire, click on the box the says Flying form or Tank Form and tap it to change.

.......This may prove a bit too over powered. As it has THREE abilities, you may want this placed as a hero, not a troop.

Lower the hitpoints , take out the minion effect and beacon, take out the re healing itself, and you might have a good idea. Nice job

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Originally Posted by tr1pped

.......This may prove a bit too over powered. As it has THREE abilities, you may want this placed as a hero, not a troop.

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You might not have noticed but yes I thas three abilities, but you get to pick only one for all of them to go into each battle with by the same way you would with a normal xbow change or something, click the box that will change from ability 1, to ability 2, to ability 3, to ability 1

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Originally Posted by Venomben

You might not have noticed but yes I thas three abilities, but you get to pick only one for all of them to go into each battle with by the same way you would with a normal xbow change or something, click the box that will change from ability 1, to ability 2, to ability 3, to ability 1

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I think you dont need the minion effect, as it wpuld make a way to compact minions in your camps, and the reviving effect shouldnt work on heroes, too op.

I understand. This troop would be better placed as a hero not a troop. If it is as a troop, you may want to lower the HP, and take out the minions. Then the raw dark elixir cost (if am correct) would be seven. Raise the cost to a number in the 40-50 range and you may have yourself Supercell's next update

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Originally Posted by tr1pped

I understand. This troop would be better placed as a hero not a troop. If it is as a troop, you may want to lower the HP, and take out the minions. Then the raw dark elixir cost (if am correct) would be seven. Raise the cost to a number in the 40-50 range and you may have yourself Supercell's next update

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Thanks for the feed back, I will lower the hp and take out the option of the hero trade off. I tried to make it similar to a valkyrie

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Originally Posted by Venomben

Thanks for the feed back, I will lower the hp and take out the option of the hero trade off. I tried to make it similar to a valkyrie

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Glad to be of help.

remember not only to vote but to give feedback

buhmp it up

nothing else, really?

The abilities are a bit OP for a troop, maybe just choose one of them. Otherwise I'm all in for it! We could use some more de troops.. those "coming soon..." areas below the current de troops have been there for AGES!

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Originally Posted by AowulfSnow

The abilities are a bit OP for a troop, maybe just choose one of them. Otherwise I'm all in for it! We could use some more de troops.. those "coming soon..." areas below the current de troops have been there for AGES!

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the idea is that the player choses which of the two to use, he can only use on per battle.

bump bump:D:cool:

final bump hope it finally get some buzz

The abilities, 3 of them?? The second ability would probably be best. HOWEVER, the witches just came out so 2 troops in a row that are able to spawn undead troops? I like the idea and see it in the game but not yet, not until supercell have made another troop thats not a vampire. With the second ability, the DPS and HP mix well. You could use like 5 barbs to distract while the vampire does his/her work and then turn the clan castle troops on each other

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Originally Posted by Blitzzer

The abilities, 3 of them?? The second ability would probably be best. HOWEVER, the witches just came out so 2 troops in a row that are able to spawn undead troops? I like the idea and see it in the game but not yet, not until supercell have made another troop thats not a vampire. With the second ability, the DPS and HP mix well. You could use like 5 barbs to distract while the vampire does his/her work and then turn the clan castle troops on each other

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So the cool thing about the vampire is that he has 3 abilities, yes, but you have to chose a specific one before each battle to use. You only get to use one of the selected abilities per battle so if you choose to use ability 1 then you can only use ability 1 for the battle, simple enough? Also, the vamp cant spawn undead, he can break up into smaller minions (not sure if I deleted that ability or not) finally, with the cc troop idea thing, its not really that op because of the health, as for raising the dead, the vampire himself has to do the killing in order for the ability to work. If he attacks at all, it will count once the troop dies.

You know it's a great idea but about the ten Minions
I think its too much!

It's a good idea just,it is already created.Like if it just had vampire affects yes GREAT idea but if it's just a vampire ehh sorta copied.But nice job!;)

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Originally Posted by TheTonTons

It's a good idea just,it is already created.Like if it just had vampire affects yes GREAT idea but if it's just a vampire ehh sorta copied.But nice job!;)

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I don't understand what you mean when you say the idea was "already created" I decided to base some of his stats off the valk and if your talking about created on the forums, I thought of the idea on my own, also, thank you to the previous comment I'll change the first level to like 5, second level 7 and third 10...

So we done with the vamp hype already?!?!?!

Sounds good to me. Would be a great new addition. I'd like to see it replace the Valkyrie instead of being a new troop.

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Originally Posted by Venomben

Description: Out of the mystical dark elixir came a creature, the vampire, who now has special abilities to allow him to survive if not thrive in sunlight. He seams to have a special weakness to the inferno towers. This powerful creature has three abilities which players may chose from to increase his tactical superiority.

(Say in movietheatre voice or in a creepy narrative one when you read the following)

Ability 1: Heals himself after each "bite" attack, a small amount except in the blazing heat of the inferno towers. (Maybe 15 hit points)
Ability 2: After defeating an opposing clan castle troop, the opposing troops becomes half alive, regaining half its former health and all its strength to attack the opponent. (just to make it clear, the defender)
Ability 3: The vampire becomes the homing beacon for minions to follow and after defeated, becomes a certain amount of minions.

Vampire level 1:
Training Cost: 67 dark elixer
Training Time: 8 minutes
Housing Space: 10
Damage per Second (DPS): 73
Hit Points: 750
Movement Speed: 26
Ability 3) 5 minions

Vampire level 2:
Training Cost: 74 dark elixir
Training time: 8 minutes, 30 seconds
Housing Space:10
Damage per Second (DPS): 81
Hit Points: 830
Movement Speed:26
Ability 3) 7 minions

(Ability 1 increases health absorbed to 25, Ability 2 is the same)

and The choice is yours as to how you make your vampire abilities. Remember that you only get to chose one before each and every battle. Just go into army camp, troop info, click on vampire, click on the box the says ability 1,2, or 3, and tap it to change.

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In my opinion they are broken as is, the other abilities aren't strong enough to be viable at his housing cost (for normal raids) and the third ability gives you more minions at level 2 than you can hold in your army camps for the same housing space, plus it makes them better due to the fact that it guides them too. The damage and hit points are completely outclassed by the Valkyrie not consider the fact that it deals splash damage. Ability two is only viable in Clan Wars where everyone and their mother has good clan castle troops, that said this troop can be bursted down by Wizards, Overwhelmed by witches and completely useless against a dragon.

The last problem I see with this troop is that are currently no mechanics that can make ability 2 or 1 happen, which means that the development team would have to go into the game and code these two mechanics in. Which I would personally be in favor of since it makes the game better but the dev team might see this as too much work to implement as is.

1. Sounds good but I don't think it should have three abilities it seems to much for a troop. So you should make it just do the blood sucking part. All the stats seem good.

2. Please stop bumping it is against the forum rules I believe.

so a lot of people still aren't understanding the concept of the three abilities. First off, the point of the abilities is to make sure that the weaker health and such are balanced out. Secondly, the troop forces players to centralize their infernos and especially with the lava hound update this could be useful for supercell. Now as for the abilities themselves, they are three separate abilities which you can toggle, however you cannot have more than one, so it is a choice just like the xbow with ground vs ground and air. The minion issue as brought up will be fixed. Also, the over run of witches is simply infeasible seeing as the vampire is a flying troop, i may not have mentioned that but that will be another fix. Finally, with the wizard thing, the point is that the vampire can actually have a weakness, but if played correctly, the vampire, like any other troop, is unbelievably powerful. Thanks for the feedback guys keep it coming

this is one of the more successful threads on the new troops and spell ideas page, and i want it to stay that way. I really want to know if there is any stats worth fixing, please say specifically and vote, this is not a bump but a question of help. If you really like this idea then the more view and replies, the more supercell will look at it. Sometimes change is good, and supercell might realize that many of the ideas i create are unique with their abilities as they usually don't include clusters of another troop breaking out from inside. For this reason I have decided to change the ability and made it so the vampires only have a toggle between two abilities, adding the minion thing to the cc troop turnover as if cc troops were minions, which are good defenders, the vamps would get drawn to them. It makes the vamp vulnerable to attacks from other defenses which makes luring more critical than ever. :)

I see entirely what you mean and all, but I'm a little confused on the minion tracking thing, does he go to the closest minion or is there a way to choose minions? I don't understand that but nice stats, also shouldn't he be a ground troop because vampires don't usually fly?

UMMMMMM not entirely sure about the whole minion thing, I tried to change it, but not sure what SC would prefer, keep giving feedback though that was a helpful flaw. Also no i think he should be flying though it be more a hover. The reason is mainly that air defenses do more damage than cannon and mortars so it balances out the vampire a bit more

To the folks that think this is OP...

First, consider that the housing is set at 24 (though I don't agree, and the DE cost is way too low for that).

Second, consider that at 750 HP, and gaining 15HP for every attack, it would still last just 3 seconds against a level 7 air defense, and that's without anything else shooting at it.

Even without the air defense, if it is getting shot by an archer tower and one other defensive piece at the same time, it will be taking over 100 DPS and getting back 15, so it would probably end up living about 10 seconds.

This seems to be a behind the front lines kind of troop, but at 24 housing space just takes up too much room. For housing/cost/training time, I'd be looking more at witch levels (12 spaces, 200-250de).

The real question with the HP would be could it increase its HP beyond its original health, or just heal itself back to full HP. That obviously makes a huge difference, and I think the latter makes more sense, but even if this troop had all 2 or 3 abilities at once, it would be hard to justify using up that much space on something that can be killed so quickly.

When making this I originally saw the flaw of that but decided it was more or less balanced. If I increase the amount of dark slier it takes up and decrease the room and maybe add more health, it'd be more balanced I guess. Thanks for seeing past the ability toggle thing as it took forever to get it sorted out :) Ill change that, tell me what you think afterwords also maybe you didn't catch the movement speed as he will now be the fastest troop in the game

26 movement speed if fast for a lot of health and pretty much nothing to way him down negatively, maybe have archer towers do double because of the wooden shaft or whatever

if i wanted to do that though then what happens to normal archers, do they also do double damage because of the wooden shafts, and low leveled barbs too? I understand what your getting at though but maybe the stats would then be dragged under and it wouldn't be as strong.

Is art work coming out soon or should we just imagine Edward from twilight? Lol on a more serious note though, how about a third level, I want to see what that would look like, then I'll vote

I like the idea of a vampire as a troop type in clash, but I am a little confused on what you mean by he is drawn to minions?

Does he automatically target the cc?? Or if you make minions do they follow him around? What does that mean?

I'll make some art for this idea when I get a chance, but you need to clear up the description a little more for me to add it to the list on my other thread.

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

I like the idea of a vampire as a troop type in clash, but I am a little confused on what you mean by he is drawn to minions?

Does he automatically target the cc?? Or if you make minions do they follow him around? What does that mean?

I'll make some art for this idea when I get a chance, but you need to clear up the description a little more for me to add it to the list on my other thread.

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when you drop minions, he will follow the ones flying closest to buildings, remember his insane speed so he actually flies to the furthest minion available.

So he follows minions similar to how a healer follows ground troops

you hit it dead on the nail, and best of all, since he's fast, he can basically fly great distances to arrive as a supportive attack troop

The vampire bwah hah hah hah

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...psb6ab6fe7.jpg

Wow, thats literally perfect cuz it looks like a grown up minion, are the stats ok though?

Here are the stats I would set him up with (at lvl.1):

DPS-37 (50 damage per hit)
HP-500
Training $-100 dark
Attk type- single
Targets- air and ground
Fav target- any
Housing-12
Train speed-15 min
Mov-24

I think per hit he should heal 1/2 (so 25 life healed per hit at lvl 1)

I like the idea of him bringing back cc troops as zombies on your side it'd make him perfect for clan wars and taking out those troops when you draw them out

Him following minions isn't necessary though, and speedwise I think 24 would be more appropriate if he's too fast it seems OP

I have him with less health to make him more balanced, he's flying so air defenses will take him out easily, but if you get rid of the air defenses his self healing will make him a challenge to take out for towers teslas and wiz, ecspecially in groups, so if he has too much HP he'd be OP

Just my input. How you want him set up is up to you

i love the input however the stats i think will relatively be the same. if i move down the speed then he can't get anywhere whereas if i change the health a little, he'd still manage, but the max ad's will wipe him out and his housing space isn't big enough to bypass the issue with sheer numbers. If you take down the vampire health to about 925 then i guess hell still live but the attack has got to stay high up then because if he's traveling to find minions, hell get wiped out easy and the entire point of him will be pointless. i just don't know.

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Originally Posted by Venomben

i love the input however the stats i think will relatively be the same. if i move down the speed then he can't get anywhere whereas if i change the health a little, he'd still manage, but the max ad's will wipe him out and his housing space isn't big enough to bypass the issue with sheer numbers. If you take down the vampire health to about 925 then i guess hell still live but the attack has got to stay high up then because if he's traveling to find minions, hell get wiped out easy and the entire point of him will be pointless. i just don't know.

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The main reason I say disregard the minion following is because if the point is to have him as a meat shield for them that can be done anyway by placing him properly. Dragons make excellent meat shields for minions too. If you make it so he follows them automatically it takes away from the strategy of where you place your troops.

Also, if he heals himself with every hit it basically means he's a healer/barbarian hybrid all in one troop; PLUS he can make cc zombies!

His life and damage output cannot be too high or he'll be OP. sure maxed ADs could wreck him on his own, but everything else would struggle with him... So just use lava hounds or freeze spells and rage a groupof vamps and boom every base set up would be screwed.

Even at lower stats something like that could probably 3 star a base, but itd be more challenging. 150 DPS with like 1200 life and 30 mov and self healing is just too much and would turn every single clan war into all vamp raids.

Where you have him now at 68 DPS with 900 hp should be ok, but that's still a little high on life in my opinion.

Either way though it's still a really cool troop idea

I'm reading over his stats and he's looking pretty solid dude 👍 I think he's really good

thanks, I'm slightly confused on your stance but overall thanks

I would modify the second ability fairly significantly. If I had a golem/PEKKA in my CC, and a vampire killed it, that would lead to defense being quite difficult to manage. What I would do is, the "revived" troop receives 75% of its DPS and all of its health, but its health decays at 15% every second. This prevents my own CC troops killing my base but still makes the ability useful. Feel free to object to this, but those are my thoughts.

As far as the stats go, they look very solid. Well done! The concept is also creative and I'm sure no one would object to this being in game :)

Sorry for the confusion lol I have a tendency to scrutinize a good idea to try and fine tune it.

This vampire concept is awesome though, very much worth consideration by supercell in my opinion.

Has my full approval and support 👍

so i guess we might have found our second of four slots? hydra at level 9 and vamp at level 7?

Vamp at level 7 would be a cool dark troop addition in my opinion

Lvl 7 slot would be between the vamp or the gremlin idea by AceofRaids; at least by my vote

would you mind doing the art for the dark barracks, just for reference... It'd have grey stone spikes jutting out and about with skulls and minions on the tips and a yellow circle on the roof with the weapons crossed over it so its like the moon

umm, so i love the vampire idea and all and i want to see supercell put it in soon but the length of time it will take for that update is immense, probably a town hall 11 coming out next anyway and with that new defenses, maybe instead of an archer tower, a stake launcher could be made to take out the vampire and it'd have an extremely slow reload but a barrel on distance or something, so it'd continue going for a certain distance doing damage to troops in the way, yet not really a splash thing. Seem cool/

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Originally Posted by Venomben

would you mind doing the art for the dark barracks, just for reference... It'd have grey stone spikes jutting out and about with skulls and minions on the tips and a yellow circle on the roof with the weapons crossed over it so its like the moon

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I'll do the concept art when I get a chance

i know you must be swamped at this point with school (i think) along with anything else clash of clans reference art related, feel free to take your time with this as the idea will probably not go away and if it does, a bump won't hurt

Nah no school been years since I was in a classroom I just work, but yes busy/swamped much of the day so it'll just get did whenever it gets did lol

lol anyways... does the troop have the right stuff to make it into clash, i want more than just asdmus's opinion please

i know this might sound a little under powered, but what if you bumped the stats and made him take 1.5x damage from infernos because vampires burn in the light... Add an effect where if he is murdered and has had contact with the inferno tower(been attacked by) and he dies, he dies with a flash of lightning (lightning spell)

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Originally Posted by Serpentstrike

i know this might sound a little under powered, but what if you bumped the stats and made him take 1.5x damage from infernos because vampires burn in the light... Add an effect where if he is murdered and has had contact with the inferno tower(been attacked by) and he dies, he dies with a flash of lightning (lightning spell)

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Originally Posted by Serpentstrike

umm, so i love the vampire idea and all and i want to see supercell put it in soon but the length of time it will take for that update is immense, probably a town hall 11 coming out next anyway and with that new defenses, maybe instead of an archer tower, a stake launcher could be made to take out the vampire and it'd have an extremely slow reload but a barrel on distance or something, so it'd continue going for a certain distance doing damage to troops in the way, yet not really a splash thing. Seem cool/

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Interesting concepts, Ive added the idea of him taking extra damage to wooden objects (archers and archer towers) not sure if it would be fair to take extra damage from an already slightly OP inferno tower though. Still thanks for the suggestions. keep it flowing, pick your poison

The taking extra damage from arrows was a brilliant addition to this troop concept.

Also thought of something that might be a good idea as well.

I liked the whole concept you have about toggling the vampire to use different abilities when produced.
Something having 2 different ways to be used has already been established with the inferno towers and xbows, so it's not outlandish....

And No troop type has this function yet so the vamp would be be the first and would stand out more for it.

Under your current description though, there's no distinction between ability 1 or ability 2.... They both do the same thing of making the vamp heal itself an extra 25 life per hit.

The vamp healing himself when dealing damage should be a constant regardless of which way you use him, so I don't think this is a good ability to have as a toggle.

Here's my suggestion:,

Option 1: Vampire is flying, follows minions when present (or targets enemy minions in cc), ***does NOT turn cc troops to zombies, and is faster than the alternative option but with lower DPS (DPS is 68/speed is 26)

Option 2: Vampire is a ground troop, with his wings folded down like a cape, does NOT target/follow minions, but DOES turn cc troops into zombies when he kills them (only ground cc/can't attk flying troops), much slower than counter part but DPS is greater (dps is 105, speed is 16) (lv2 would be 120, speed is same)

***also with the zombies, i think they should have half life (50%) and half damage (50%) from their original form; the decaying life is a cool idea but I'd make it less than 5% (means they only last 20 seconds max, if it's 1% they could last 1 min 40 seconds if taking no damage); and I think all zombified cc should have a universal 10 movement speed

Also, rate the vamp heals should always be 1/2, I don't think any ability should ever give him the ability to heal more than that on top of what he already does and give him extra health (ground lvl 2 would heal 60 per hit... Pair that with a healer and he'd be challenging to bring down)

I think arrows should do x2 damage (200%) instead of 150% damage to him.

At Max level 13 an arrow only does 98 damage, at 150% this is about 144 damage, to a troop which at level 2 has over 1000 life and a self healing ability.

At 200% the max arrow would do 196 damage which makes it more of an impact. would make an attacker using a vamp need to be more careful about how they place them because archers towers will drop them quick.

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

The taking extra damage from arrows was a brilliant addition to this troop concept.

Also thought of something that might be a good idea as well.

I liked the whole concept you have about toggling the vampire to use different abilities when produced.
Something having 2 different ways to be used has already been established with the inferno towers and xbows, so it's not outlandish....

And No troop type has this function yet so the vamp would be be the first and would stand out more for it.

Under your current description though, there's no distinction between ability 1 or ability 2.... They both do the same thing of making the vamp heal itself an extra 25 life per hit.

The vamp healing himself when dealing damage should be a constant regardless of which way you use him, so I don't think this is a good ability to have as a toggle.

Here's my suggestion:,

Option 1: Vampire is flying, follows minions when present (or targets enemy minions in cc), ***does NOT turn cc troops to zombies, and is faster than the alternative option but with lower DPS (DPS is 68/speed is 26)

Option 2: Vampire is a ground troop, with his wings folded down like a cape, does NOT target/follow minions, but DOES turn cc troops into zombies when he kills them (only ground cc/can't attk flying troops), much slower than counter part but DPS is greater (dps is 105, speed is 16) (lv2 would be 120, speed is same)

***also with the zombies, i think they should have half life (50%) and half damage (50%) from their original form; the decaying life is a cool idea but I'd make it less than 5% (means they only last 20 seconds max, if it's 1% they could last 1 min 40 seconds if taking no damage); and I think all zombified cc should have a universal 10 movement speed

Also, rate the vamp heals should always be 1/2, I don't think any ability should ever give him the ability to heal more than that on top of what he already does and give him extra health (ground lvl 2 would heal 60 per hit... Pair that with a healer and he'd be challenging to bring down)

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

I think arrows should do x2 damage (200%) instead of 150% damage to him.

At Max level 13 an arrow only does 98 damage, at 150% this is about 144 damage, to a troop which at level 2 has over 1000 life and a self healing ability.

At 200% the max arrow would do 196 damage which makes it more of an impact. would make an attacker using a vamp need to be more careful about how they place them because archers towers will drop them quick.

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OK so wonderful ideas, actually, only ability one is self healing I'm sorry if i didn't specify but having two different forms is actually a better idea. I will definitely fix that on my post and thanks for input, anyone else want to say anything against what i have done or what I'm about to do? please i like feedback and if you want this as the next dark troop, feed back is what will help the most

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Originally Posted by Venomben

Description: Out of the mystical dark elixir came a creature, the vampire, who now has special abilities to allow him to survive if not thrive in sunlight. He seams to have a special weakness to the inferno towers. This powerful creature has two abilities which players may chose from to increase his tactical superiority.

(Say in movietheatre voice or in a creepy narrative one when you read the following)

Form 1 (Flying form): Stalks minions everywhere, his precious minions, and he is fast AND furious (i guess)
Form 2 (Tank Form): After defeating an opposing clan castle troop, the opposing troops becomes half alive, regaining 75% of its former health and 75% of its strength to attack the opponent. health decays at a rate of 2% per second (just to make it clear, the defender), also, the vapire is heals himself by 18 points per bite (at level 1)

Special Weakness: archer towers do 200% damage to Vamps because of the wooden shaft, this also includes archers.

Note*** i have previously said that the vampire has to take part in the attack of a cc troop to "zombify" it. With the rebuffs of stats, that is subject to change


Vampire level 1:
Flying Form
Training Cost: 367 dark elixer
Training Time: 8 minutes
Housing Space: 13
Damage per Second (DPS): 56
Attack Speed: 1.0 seconds
Damage per shot:56
Hit Points: 1080
Movement Speed: 26

Vampire level 2:
Flying Form:
Training Cost: 387 dark elixir
Training Time: 8 minutes 30 seconds
Housing Space: 13
Damage per Second (DPS): 71
Attack Speed: 1.0 seconds
Damage per shot: 71
Hit Points: 1280
Movement Speed:26

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Vampire level 1:
Tank Form:
Training Cost: 367 dark elixir
Training time: 8 minutes
Housing Space:13
Damage per Second (DPS): 108
Attack Speed: 2.0 seconds
Damage per shot: 216
Hit Points: 950
Movement Speed:18

Vampire level 2:
Tank Form:
Training Cost: 387 dark elixir
Training Time: 8 minutes 30 seconds
Housing Space: 13
Damage per Second (DPS): 138
Attack Speed: 2 seconds
Damage per shot: 176
Hit Points: 1060
Movement Speed: 18

The choice is yours as to how you make your vampire abilities. Remember that you only get to chose one before each and every battle. Just go into army camp, troop info, click on vampire, click on the box the says ability 1 or 2 and tap it to change.

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Love the stats update to this troop;
But one question?

Why does the tank form and flying form have 2 seperate kinds of health?? Shouldn't it be the same since they are the same troop??

The only stat that should really change is damage and speed between forms.

Also, the description makes it sound as though you can't use both types in one match?

I think it should be that when you go to your dark barracks, and then go to vampire, you can produce lets say 2 flying types, then after they are built toggle it to produce 3 tank types....

So in the match you'll have a total of 5 vamps, but 2 different kinds

Even though they are the "same" troop, they'd drop as 2 seperate troops, and would have slightly different portraits for their troop icons

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

Love the stats update to this troop;
But one question?

Why does the tank form and flying form have 2 seperate kinds of health?? Shouldn't it be the same since they are the same troop??

The only stat that should really change is damage and speed between forms.

Also, the description makes it sound as though you can't use both types in one match?

I think it should be that when you go to your dark barracks, and then go to vampire, you can produce lets say 2 flying types, then after they are built toggle it to produce 3 tank types....

So in the match you'll have a total of 5 vamps, but 2 different kinds

Even though they are the "same" troop, they'd drop as 2 seperate troops, and would have slightly different portraits for their troop icons

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The whole idea behind the vampire is that you HAVE to choose before a battle even commences which type you use, you can't have both otherwise it'd be OP and confusing... Also, the health difference is to balance out the fact that if a troop is flying cross base to get to a minion, he's gonna get shot, nothing will prevent that, so higher health and speed balance out that idea where as higher damage makes a slightly tankier troop more difficult to shut down

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Originally Posted by Venomben

The whole idea behind the vampire is that you HAVE to choose before a battle even commences which type you use, you can't have both otherwise it'd be OP and confusing... Also, the health difference is to balance out the fact that if a troop is flying cross base to get to a minion, he's gonna get shot, nothing will prevent that, so higher health and speed balance out that idea where as higher damage makes a slightly tankier troop more difficult to shut down

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How would that work then? I mean if you have already made several vamps flying, and they are chilling in your army camps, when you hit the toggle button in the barracks would that make all of them land??

Being able to use both kinds in one bout wouldn't be OP in my opinion. His housing space is 13 so there can only be so many; and being able to have some fly and some on the ground just expands what kinda strategies can be made with him

I think it's confusing to switch the life up, I mean think about it a vamp lands and loses 200 life? Then takes off again and gains it back? Like being in the air gives him more life or something... Just seems weird to me. Damage and speed switching up make sense to me because it implies he fights differently depending on where he's at, and serves as a balancing tool.

i understand wanting him to have more life vs ADs, but it still just seems off for flapping his wings to make him stronger than he is otherwise, plus the more life aspect in the air makes him seem more tankish than the tank, since being a tank is more about how much punishment you can take as opposed to how much you dish out.

Just my 2 cents on that.

Its a very original idea I must say, but maybe the fact that it stalks minions around could get people raged about its AI. Just change that and it would be awesome.

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Its a very original idea I must say, but maybe the fact that it stalks minions around could get people raged about its AI. Just change that and it would be awesome.

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I actually agree with that.

In his flying form, he has the ability to self heal himself

No other flying unit can be healed without the drop of a healing potion so that on it's own is huge.

Plus if you want him to fight alongside minions just drop him next to them; placing your troops strategically so that they go in the same direction

he DOES NOT have the ability to heal himself in flying form... thats why his stats are much better. maybe it'd be better if i changed the targeting system to help you understand.... Though i did mess up, the bite has to come with the flying one and the heal with the tank, just the heal. The flying one has the zombie bite and minim attraction to which he follows minions. This makes more sense as now he goes to clan castle troops first... Also, like the healer he WILL travel around the board not directly across to get to his minions (unless there are minions on the insed of the base)

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he DOES NOT have the ability to heal himself in flying form... thats why his stats are much better. maybe it'd be better if i changed the targeting system to help you understand.... Though i did mess up, the bite has to come with the flying one and the heal with the tank, just the heal. The flying one has the zombie bite and minim attraction to which he follows minions. This makes more sense as now he goes to clan castle troops first... Also, like the healer he WILL travel around the board not directly across to get to his minions (unless there are minions on the insed of the base)

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I pictured it very differently in my head lol.

idk I think that's too much/confusing.

I pictured his attack as a flying troop similar to the dragon's range but not a splash attack, and instead of breathing fire he shot red vamprismic lightning from his hands damaging a single target (which heals him)

As a ground troop I pictured him slashing opponents with his claws; but again being a vampire, heals himself with each attack phase.

Both would have "any" as their fav target.

Both would have the same amount of life/housing/training cost/training speed/etc

Only difference would be in the movement speed and DPS; and given that the ground version deals more damage he heals more too = more "tankish" than flying counterpart.

Main difference between them would be simply that one flies and one is ground, and that one is weaker and faster while the other is slower but stronger

Just the way I picture the troop

And the minion becon thing doesn't add up IMO, because he only goes to the cc if the defender had a minion(s) in it. If not he'd act just the same as the ground version and only fight cc when they came to him (which is what cc troops do to whatever you have on the map anyways, a kind of becon towards your troops; so to have a return becon towards any cc toops is kind of redundant if you think about it)

I'd say it'd be better to drop the minion thing and just make it another trait of both forms that slain cc troops (ground only) become zombies

**also think all zombies should do a universal zombie slap, and not fight like their former selves, but DPS and life still based off former stats, movement set at a universal 10

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I pictured it very differently in my head lol.

idk I think that's too much/confusing.

I pictured his attack as a flying troop similar to the dragon's range but not a splash attack, and instead of breathing fire he shot red vamprismic lightning from his hands damaging a single target (which heals him)

As a ground troop I pictured him slashing opponents with his claws; but again being a vampire, heals himself with each attack phase.

Both would have "any" as their fav target.

Both would have the same amount of life/housing/training cost/training speed/etc

Only difference would be in the movement speed and DPS; and given that the ground version deals more damage he heals more too = more "tankish" than flying counterpart.

Main difference between them would be simply that one flies and one is ground, and that one is weaker and faster while the other is slower but stronger

Just the way I picture the troop

And the minion becon thing doesn't add up IMO, because he only goes to the cc if the defender had a minion(s) in it. If not he'd act just the same as the ground version and only fight cc when they came to him (which is what cc troops do to whatever you have on the map anyways, a kind of becon towards your troops; so to have a return becon towards any cc toops is kind of redundant if you think about it)

I'd say it'd be better to drop the minion thing and just make it another trait of both forms that slain cc troops (ground only) become zombies

**also think all zombies should do a universal zombie slap, and not fight like their former selves, but DPS and life still based off former stats, movement set at a universal 10

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zombies hit with what they would normally attack with just grey animation and move at a speed of say 12... And I'm going to change it so that the vampire tank heals and attacks defenses whereas the aerial unit goes for cc troops first and then any. The animation for the attacks would be red lightning from the flying vamp and a bite from the tank vamp... Tank vamp would bend backwards a bit and spring forward into a biting movement, once his fangs set, you get him health. After the first bite, his teeth would turn red

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zombies hit with what they would normally attack with just grey animation and move at a speed of say 12... And I'm going to change it so that the vampire tank heals and attacks defenses whereas the aerial unit goes for cc troops first and then any. The animation for the attacks would be red lightning from the flying vamp and a bite from the tank vamp... Tank vamp would bend backwards a bit and spring forward into a biting movement, once his fangs set, you get him health. After the first bite, his teeth would turn red

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I love the troop concept but when it comes down to the details on it I think we just have different opinions on how it should be set up.

ok that is acceptab;e, i feel like the zombies can't be UP because the ability is worthless and OP is even more unfair

Congratulations, so many views and comment have come in i want to thank you all so much. Honestly, this is one of the biggest threads in the sub thread of troops and spells ideas, top 20 in comments and top 75 in views, keep up the great posting and clash on... If you like this idea, tell me why, if not then why not but every needs to read and comment so it can be introduced as supercell's newest dark elixir troop. Who wouldn't want the first ever toggle ability troop as there are now hero abilities, clan wars, and even the inferno tower which hadn't even been close to created when I started playing. The game has come so far and this could be the next big step that propels and perpetuates supercell's ingenuity and gameplay to a whole new level of competition. SO AGAIN, COMMENT ON LITERALLY ANYTHING YOU THINK ABOUT THIS TROOP EVEN IF IT WAS ALREADY SAID PLEASE !!!!

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Congratulations, so many views and comment have come in i want to thank you all so much. Honestly, this is one of the biggest threads in the sub thread of troops and spells ideas, top 20 in comments and top 75 in views, keep up the great posting and clash on... If you like this idea, tell me why, if not then why not but every needs to read and comment so it can be introduced as supercell's newest dark elixir troop. Who wouldn't want the first ever toggle ability troop as there are now hero abilities, clan wars, and even the inferno tower which hadn't even been close to created when I started playing. The game has come so far and this could be the next big step that propels and perpetuates supercell's ingenuity and gameplay to a whole new level of competition. SO AGAIN, COMMENT ON LITERALLY ANYTHING YOU THINK ABOUT THIS TROOP EVEN IF IT WAS ALREADY SAID PLEASE !!!!

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I love the idea entirely, it should get implemented right away actually... Anyway just wanted to say its a stroke of genius and i hope it gets in. Read through everything and its by far my favorite so I agree... Lets get this post on supercell's radar, who's with me... cuz i know i am.

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I love the idea entirely, it should get implemented right away actually... Anyway just wanted to say its a stroke of genius and i hope it gets in. Read through everything and its by far my favorite so I agree... Lets get this post on supercell's radar, who's with me... cuz i know i am.

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Yes I agree with that the Vampire's toggle would be a unique/strategic addition to clash; and it's on my own "top 4" list of all the troop ideas that have been showcased thus far. Even with my slight disagreements on minor details I really like this troop type overall, and it would certainly work into various attack strategies in game. I picture it as the dark barracks lvl 8 troop though; counterpart to the healer; since after all the vampire does have a healing power; just its based around itself

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Yes I agree with that the Vampire's toggle would be a unique/strategic addition to clash; and it's on my own "top 4" list of all the troop ideas that have been showcased thus far. Even with my slight disagreements on minor details I really like this troop type overall, and it would certainly work into various attack strategies in game. I picture it as the dark barracks lvl 8 troop though; counterpart to the healer; since after all the vampire does have a healing power; just its based around itself

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maybe though i see it more like a replacement to the valkyrie even and switch the balk to holy elixir or something... idk... thanks for your input and compliment however i do wish to know what minor details you disagree with. anything and everything will be used to make the troop loved by all

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maybe though i see it more like a replacement to the valkyrie even and switch the balk to holy elixir or something... idk... thanks for your input and compliment however i do wish to know what minor details you disagree with. anything and everything will be used to make the troop loved by all

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My disagreements are minor on him, more like preferences. i dont like him being stronger in the air than the ground, and that he heals more that way, even when he does more damage on the ground (air's strength is speed; ground strength is damage/tanking). I like the idea of him doing the melee slashing attack for his ground attack instead of the pounce, but thats just a minor animation detail; (moving an extra distance to melee a target was something i had in mind for Holy Troops to do).... i like the red lightning for his aerial attack (though I think we agree on tha one), and I've given thought to it and the zombie thing is cool but it should be nerfed or done away with. Being able to make a horde of zombies is like increasing your army size mid game, by plus 35 if it's a maxed cc. I don't think zombies (if any) should serve much combat purpose and more so should act as distractions the vampire can make that have a small combat ability for minor support.

So those are my main issues, but either way I like the troop and it's on my top 4 pick for what I want to see implemented; but I still see it as number 8, because I picture AceofRaids Gremlin idea as number 7. At least on my own wish list.

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My disagreements are minor on him, more like preferences. i dont like him being stronger in the air than the ground, and that he heals more that way, even when he does more damage on the ground (air's strength is speed; ground strength is damage/tanking). I like the idea of him doing the melee slashing attack for his ground attack instead of the pounce, but thats just a minor animation detail; (moving an extra distance to melee a target was something i had in mind for Holy Troops to do).... i like the red lightning for his aerial attack (though I think we agree on tha one), and I've given thought to it and the zombie thing is cool but it should be nerfed or done away with. Being able to make a horde of zombies is like increasing your army size mid game, by plus 35 if it's a maxed cc. I don't think zombies (if any) should serve much combat purpose and more so should act as distractions the vampire can make that have a small combat ability for minor support.

So those are my main issues, but either way I like the troop and it's on my top 4 pick for what I want to see implemented; but I still see it as number 8, because I picture AceofRaids Gremlin idea as number 7. At least on my own wish list.

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to deal with the zombie thing, remember that he has to be part of the attack on that specific troop and because he's a single target, he may hit 3 wizards before either dying or the others getting killed which at 50% health and dps shouldn't do much except after a lure in CW... anyway, what if his lightning strike dps was reduced a ton but he could multishot? so maybe 33 dps and up to 3 targets at level one?

so is this it, the great vampire idea no longer gaining comments, nothing to change, no requests for new levels? I love this troop and i can't stand that its being ignore, it should be on the first page for a while as its top class. Why don't you users comment on it? I'm trying to bump so that you guys can keep conversation flowing. Its a really good troop but just viewing it isn't enough. On most threads just saying hello is a sufficient bump and will usually get a response, saying whether or not you think the troop is good or bad reflects how mch you want the troop in the game and seeing as half the posts are venomben's mine and asdmus's, this troop is lovable and creates buzz but no one really wants to take the nineteen seconds to post, "what;s up" or "I like/dislike the troop (because...)" Please guys, if you like it keep it, make supercell know that YOU WANT THIS TROOP. LETS GO VAMPIRE DB LEVEL 7

thanks for trying bud but i think the post is dead, still nice to see how far she went tho, just a last shout-out to anyone with sang more ideas.

what if...

1) Vampires could be both types in battle not preselected
2)The toggle is between types of vampire not abilities
3)Move zombie idea to tank more
4) Lightning like an inferno tower, select single target extra damage or multi target
5)receives x2 from inferno towers' light, 1.5x from archers arrows, 0 from splash damage and traps
6)Both have a blood lust ability, targets nearest defensive tower/any troop, any attacks with x2 damage, 1.5x speed, 4 seconds, happens after 50% health
7)vampire was colored blue like in asdmus's depiction making him impervious to high heat... 50% resistance to inferno tower, 200% susceptibility from arrows
8) tacos
9)tacos
10) upgrade housing space, when each one dies, small beam of light draws vampires and minions alike to kill the building that destroyed the previous one... finishes off each building if multiple are set off... first one set off draws attention, doesn't release attention until the tower is destroyed

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Originally Posted by Serpentstrike

what if...

1) Vampires could be both types in battle not preselected
2)The toggle is between types of vampire not abilities
3)Move zombie idea to tank more
4) Lightning like an inferno tower, select single target extra damage or multi target
5)receives x2 from inferno towers' light, 1.5x from archers arrows, 0 from splash damage and traps
6)Both have a blood lust ability, targets nearest defensive tower/any troop, any attacks with x2 damage, 1.5x speed, 4 seconds, happens after 50% health
7)vampire was colored blue like in asdmus's depiction making him impervious to high heat... 50% resistance to inferno tower, 200% susceptibility from arrows
8) tacos
9)tacos
10) upgrade housing space, when each one dies, small beam of light draws vampires and minions alike to kill the building that destroyed the previous one... finishes off each building if multiple are set off... first one set off draws attention, doesn't release attention until the tower is destroyed

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i actually really really really really really lovesome of these ideas, ill think about them but for now ill leave them on the thread so that everybody else can see em... I want to know what everyone else likes about this

so I'm actually kinda mad rn as most of you don't have the decency to comment and instead one of you even decides to copy the idea... If you don't like something with the stats, tell me, don't make your own "original idea" based off my troop. If there is already an idea out there within the first 5 pages at the very least... don't post it. Share your issues and for gods sake don't copy m exact troop but call it different cuz its more "simple". please.

more levels have been added to the vampires as have more ideas, tell me what you like/dislike please, not sure if he has just too much going on at this point but its just a couple ideas.

Amazing idea Venomben, it inspired me to make my own Vampire thread( you'll know what I'm talking about ). I can only say that even if my idea is a little different, you inspired it, and I guess I would love to fight a raid with a troop that turns the own Clan Castle troops against the defender village. Well, again, sorry about the mistake in my thread( again, you'll know what I mean ) and keep it up! Your ideas are really great! :D

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so I'm actually kinda mad rn as most of you don't have the decency to comment and instead one of you even decides to copy the idea... If you don't like something with the stats, tell me, don't make your own "original idea" based off my troop. If there is already an idea out there within the first 5 pages at the very least... don't post it. Share your issues and for gods sake don't copy m exact troop but call it different cuz its more "simple". please.

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I felt the indirect, but I guess I deserved it. Sorry, Venomben.

This is a great idea except it just seems a little too over powered. It should be added as like a hero for th 9 or 10. I dont think it should have 3 abilities either just one or two. And for his drain health while attacking change that down to 25% so its not like invincible.;)

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Amazing idea Venomben, it inspired me to make my own Vampire thread( you'll know what I'm talking about ). I can only say that even if my idea is a little different, you inspired it, and I guess I would love to fight a raid with a troop that turns the own Clan Castle troops against the defender village. Well, again, sorry about the mistake in my thread( again, you'll know what I mean ) and keep it up! Your ideas are really great! :D

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I felt the indirect, but I guess I deserved it. Sorry, Venomben.

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Thanks, btw you didn't deserve it at all i just jumped to conclusions... It does feel better now that I know my idea wasn't stolen but instead, glorified by another member of the forums, so I'm sorry and thank you

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This is a great idea except it just seems a little too over powered. It should be added as like a hero for th 9 or 10. I dont think it should have 3 abilities either just one or two. And for his drain health while attacking change that down to 25% so its not like invincible.;)

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The troop is a th 10 dark elixir troop which has multiple abilities that balance out with its weakness to all things wooden... Basically, 35 archers would crush one in a matter of seconds and with so many high leveled archer towers... It seems perfect. Also, there are some ideas of towers and other defensive buildings solely based on attempting to make the vampire less balanced and more UP. Also, he gets back almost no daring health because of the time it takes for him to attack... within 2 seconds an archer tower level 8 does 96 (x2 again) damage and he deals out close to 120 and gets back 18... that means that archer towers will destroy him before he can actually make use of the ability... The ability is solely to keep him alive if he survives the onslaught

congrats, the brilliant idea is updated again though its more confusing than ever... Asdmus or someone please tell me another addition or subtraction or balancing tool, and Supercell, cmon this is something that we have been waiting for and is perfect for the halloweeny theme... You know you want to use it so please criticize me. Post if you want this in game peeps, vote on the polls, and give me hugs (I'm going through a rough time rn)

also forgot.... YALL BETTER COMMENT!!! like cmon guys, whats up with voting and viewing and NOT commenting?

hmmmmm no one likes me anymore is that it?

updated lab information check it out

I hope to see it on the next update :')

yyeah i agree too

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yyeah i agree too

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I hope to see it on the next update :')

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Thanks so much guys for the positive feedback, also thanks for reviving my dead thread. Happy holidays and thanks :)

happy holidays and please sc look at this thread. I want a mod to reply to this thread for my christmas present.