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Deal with it it happens to every one people need to dark elixer farm

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Originally Posted by MrH

That said, I do think that zapping should not have a place in this game. This is a strategy game. Strategy games tend to involve tactics. If you want to call tapping your finger 5 times on a screen tactics, go back to Candy Crush.

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Zapping cant be defended..why shouldn't i take that advantage??another thing is taking advantage from your opponent requires skill. but that' s just my opinion

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Originally Posted by beastoid2325

Deal with it it happens to every one people need to dark elixer farm

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What's preventing you or "every one" from learning how to raid de the honest way? This is the type of comment that annoys me the most. "Deal with it"? No. I'm going to continue talking about it until it's fixed. Because it's stupid. You have a problem with it? YOU deal with it.

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Originally Posted by bg815

Zapping cant be defended..why shouldn't i take that advantage??another thing is taking advantage from your opponent requires skill. but that' s just my opinion

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Taking advantage of a well known gameplay loophole that gets loot 100% of the time does not require skill but merely opposable thumbs. Is their any other tactic in the game that works 100% of the time? When the "advantage from your opponent" is a feature shared by almost every th7 and up (they have a de storage) then it's not some tactical advantage a clever gamer is utilizing it's a flaw in gameplay

As to why YOU shouldn't take advantage ... that's up to you man. Pride? Gamesmanship? Fair play? I understand the temptation to do it, but like Thatsallgood said, you'd be much better served learning how to get de the "tough" way.

well technically, i zapped last week to get rid of lit spells for war and why waste a spell when i can profit DE from it....[/QUOTE]


Appreciate the honesty and candor throughout the thread. That being said, use that leftover bolt on some clan castle wizards coming to kill your raiding Giants. Maybe take out a wall so your hero can get through or mortar so your archers don't get slaughtered. A zap to a storage is a zap to a storage, no excuse.

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Originally Posted by MrH

I'll start by saying that zapping isn't an issue for me personally. I never get zapped where I am (TH10 Crystal 3), and if I did, it wouldn't be a big deal anyway, as I'm not planning on getting heroes past level 10 (I'd prefer to have them ready for wars).

That said, I do think that zapping should not have a place in this game. This is a strategy game. Strategy games tend to involve tactics. If you want to call tapping your finger 5 times on a screen tactics, go back to Candy Crush.

I don't agree with the comparison between this and attacking lower levels. Lower levels tend to have a lower town hall level, so you get a loot penatly there. They also have a chance to defend their DE. It may not be completely fair for a TH9 to three star a TH7, but the point is, that TH7 had a chance. When the TH7 upgrades, it will be less vulnerable.

I also think that saying 'it's inefficient' is completely irrelevant. When someone taps their finger 5 times on your DE storage you did everything you could to protect, bypassing all of your defences, I'm not sure why you would care how much they've spent. It doesn't affect you whatsoever.

I also disagree with people saying 'it's a game of stealing, you can't say it's unethical to zap'. Stealing resources with an army involves strategy, and can be defended against. Zapping doesn't, and can't. And whoever said something along the lines of 'it's the same as gemming', please, think a little bit more before your next comment. I really could not care less if people gem. I don't lose any resources when they pay money, which is the reason why we can play for free. It does not affect me, and I do not whine about it. Please enlighten me as to how supporting the game is the same as tapping your finger 5 times on a DE storage.

As I said, I do not get zapped, and atm, I wouldn't mind too much if I did. However, I do think it's unethical to do tap your finger 5 times on a DE storage in a strategy game. It would be more ethical to give them a chance, but I suppose the vast majority of zappers take an 'every man for himself' approach, and have ethics at the bottom of their list of priorities. I don't agree with them, but fair enough.

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Thanks for the thoughtful response. Agreed mostly on all points. To clarify, I raised the notion of zapping also being loot ineffecient to highlight that it is not only a crutch tactic but ultimately a losing one too. My primary argument against it though is that there is no way to defend against it, I still get hit in crystal, and I want to get my heroes maxed at some point. So for me, zapping is still very much an issue that needs solving.

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Originally Posted by beastoid2325

Deal with it it happens to every one people need to dark elixer farm

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You zap me like a coward, you can bet I'll come deal with you, unless of course you are using 3rd party software to che@t too, which many zappers do. Im a high level farmer and have never zapped a storage, so your shame if you do it is your own.

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Originally Posted by Bluto152

Taking advantage of a well known gameplay loophole that gets loot 100% of the time does not require skill but merely opposable thumbs. Is their any other tactic in the game that works 100% of the time? When the "advantage from your opponent" is a feature shared by almost every th7 and up (they have a de storage) then it's not some tactical advantage a clever gamer is utilizing it's a flaw in gameplay

As to why YOU shouldn't take advantage ... that's up to you man. Pride? Gamesmanship? Fair play? I understand the temptation to do it, but like Thatsallgood said, you'd be much better served learning how to get de the "tough" way.

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we can learn how to raid at wars..i couldn't care less about my farming. as long as I get what i want from farming it's good for me

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Originally Posted by bg815

we can learn how to raid at wars..i couldn't care less about my farming as long i a get what i want from farming it's good for me

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That selfish mentality and the ability to exercise it at will is exactly what this thread is about. Zapping is a flaw in the gameplay exploited by those who try to justify it to themselves despite knowing better. Smarten up, you can make much more loot learning to play the game as it was intended while also avoiding being labeled a crutch player.

I give everyone involved a lot of credit; this is one of the most entertaining and well-thought out arguments I've ever witnessed. Each side has absolutely legitimate points being made, and I have honestly gone back and forth while reading it. I am a zapper myself, but only on occasion. I do see how it is abused and why it is a complete cheap shot, but to me, there will have to be a lot of support behind removing its effectiveness against Storage buildings and Drills/Collectors in order for Supercell to really consider nerfing it. I also understand that there is really no "happy medium." One side sees it as a cheap, inefficient, annoying, cowardly way to gain a decent amount of Dark Elixir, while the other side sees it as a part of the game, not necessarily a necessity, but a strategy used in a strategy game. Really good argument from both sides.

I also would not complain if Supercell decided to remove zapping from the game or at least lessen its effects, since I am a hardcore barracks booster and do my raids legitimately 98% of the time. I usually only use a quick zap if I'm in need of maybe 1000 more Dark Elixir or so for an upgrade, and I don't have time to do an all-out raid.