Lightning spells

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Originally Posted by edwinfelix88

I don't use Lightning Spells but...

For all those who think Lightning Spell usage is unfair against their DE storage; I'm a level 5 TH player and I get attacked by a level 9 TH player with dragons, happens very often. When I want to attack, I never get a player whose town hall is below level 8 because of my trophy count. If the system could pitch me against unrealistic opponents I don't see what is wrong if someone could rob your DE with a spell. That should answer you "honor" or things on that line.

In my opinion, it is the very nature of a spell to provide "unfair" advantage at a cost (elixir). Freeze Spell: will stop all defenses from firing for a short while while you pummel them to bits and pieces; Jump Spell: they make your walls pointless (even the maxed out walls what is the point of spending all those gold). I bet all those cribbing about Lightning Spells used to rob their DE are using these against their opponents. It would be unfair if you are not given Lightning Spells but someone else have them, but CoC offers everyone the opportunity to use the objects of the game against each other. If someone uses them to steal DE from you who is preventing you from stealing DE from someone else using a spell?

However, like many have indicated earlier, a new kind of defense object can be introduced. It would be great if CoC team could come up with a new defense to counter this attack. May be they can modify the Hidden Tesla to absorb all lightning strikes in a small region (like how healing spell doesn't work around an Inferno Tower), or give a new defense object called "Lightning Rod".

Defense happens when a player is offline (a passive act, not much fun in that), attack is an active act which requires the player to come up with a strategy in 30 seconds to take out all the defenses (both visible and invisible). CoC is a game about raiding, and if the attacker is not given slight advantage over defender I think the game would perish.

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disagree about anti lighting spell defense if that happen lighting spells will become useless (i would like it but others wont :P ) because TH 7&8 in war will put it close to air defenses making the spell useless with mass dragon and ppl in normal days will put it close to mortars to stop barch attacks

I never get zapped, I never zap, but I sure as heck don't go around calling attacks illegitimate. Lets put it this way, people think Lightning is a crutch. What defines an attack as a crutch? Something you use to gain rec\sources cheaply and effectively. Well marching is cheap, i guess its a crutch. And loon and Gowipe/Gowiwi/Gowiva are all effective, so aren't they crutches. And healer giant, isn't that a crutch. How about Mass drags? Is there anything that can't be considered a crutch then? Spells take time and are pretty expensive. Just because you don't win trophies doesn't mean you lose. If anyone out there has ever lost a raid they knew they would for some insane amount of loot, please nod your heads when I say that it shouldn't be considered a crutch to do so. The goals of this game are to grab as much loot as possible to upgrade your base and as much trophies to seem like a beast. A third might be donations, thats a little gray. But seriously, are you calling lightning a bass turd of CoC? I thought people were better than that. Grow up and revenge, didn't that one advertisement teach you anything?

This thread is funny a bunch of winers just crying about losing a few de be glad irs not the whole storage geesh. I don't cry about it I just get revenge and take all they have and sum.

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Originally Posted by useless

lighting spells r kinda a way to punish those high th in silver and gold if its gone how do we punish them??

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See previous posts regarding the exception of revenge attacks. Zapping is still frowned upon even in this instance but it's a bit more of a gray area than zapping for the purpose of instigating a raid. If you want to punish higher level people, start raiding with troops like a champ and become a higher player yourself. Zapping does neither.

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Originally Posted by edwinfelix88

I don't use Lightning Spells but...

For all those who think Lightning Spell usage is unfair against their DE storage; I'm a level 5 TH player and I get attacked by a level 9 TH player with dragons, happens very often. When I want to attack, I never get a player whose town hall is below level 8 because of my trophy count. If the system could pitch me against unrealistic opponents I don't see what is wrong if someone could rob your DE with a spell. That should answer you "honor" or things on that line.

In my opinion, it is the very nature of a spell to provide "unfair" advantage at a cost (elixir). Freeze Spell: will stop all defenses from firing for a short while while you pummel them to bits and pieces; Jump Spell: they make your walls pointless (even the maxed out walls what is the point of spending all those gold). I bet all those cribbing about Lightning Spells used to rob their DE are using these against their opponents. It would be unfair if you are not given Lightning Spells but someone else have them, but CoC offers everyone the opportunity to use the objects of the game against each other. If someone uses them to steal DE from you who is preventing you from stealing DE from someone else using a spell?

However, like many have indicated earlier, a new kind of defense object can be introduced. It would be great if CoC team could come up with a new defense to counter this attack. May be they can modify the Hidden Tesla to absorb all lightning strikes in a small region (like how healing spell doesn't work around an Inferno Tower), or give a new defense object called "Lightning Rod".

Defense happens when a player is offline (a passive act, not much fun in that), attack is an active act which requires the player to come up with a strategy in 30 seconds to take out all the defenses (both visible and invisible). CoC is a game about raiding, and if the attacker is not given slight advantage over defender I think the game would perish.

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You've made a lot of assertions so I will try to address them individually.:

1. Your personal experience getting attacked by higher level players using dragons does not justify the crutch use of storage zapping. I also can't help but wonder if as a TH5, you're likely playing in a trophy range much higher than the level of your base defense. Pretty common these days but completely illogical. Im a TH9 and for some odd reason, I keep seeing little bases hiding in Gold and Crystal. If they are going to inflate their trophy count without upgrading their base, they deserve to get stomped with a tougher troop raid. It's not that you're getting mismatched raids because of the algorithm, you're getting them because your trophy count doesn't match your base.

2. You reference all the spells as unfair but you neglect to note that the Lightning spell is the only one not troop dependent. Jump negates walls temporarily for troop raids. Freeze pauses defenses to benefit your troop raid. Healing heals your troops. Rage rages your troops. Lightning can and should be used offensively to kill clan castle troops or weaken defenses, but in the case of zapping it is being used solely to steal resources without the use of troops. That is a crutch plain and simple.

3. I never have nor ever will zap a storage because I see the flaw in abusing this loophole, so please don't make false equivalencies to cover up for those that try to game the game. They are crutch players and we are not, no matter how much anyone tries to justify it.

4. Interesting idea re the Lightning Rod. Patches like this are in supported by anti-zappers like me and discussed earlier in the thread.

5. Strategy does not have to be fully developed in th 30 second window. Of course one must tweak a bit for every base, but over the course of the last 6 TH upgrades, I have used the same effective and cost efficient troop raid strategy with great success. I always keep one lightning spell for clan castle troops and the rest are heals, but the Lightning never touches an opponents storage. The advantage lies in setting a good troop strategy and picking the right bases, not using an ineffecient crutch play to steal some well-protected DE.

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Originally Posted by Venomben

I never get zapped, I never zap, but I sure as heck don't go around calling attacks illegitimate. Lets put it this way, people think Lightning is a crutch. What defines an attack as a crutch? Something you use to gain rec\sources cheaply and effectively. Well marching is cheap, i guess its a crutch. And loon and Gowipe/Gowiwi/Gowiva are all effective, so aren't they crutches. And healer giant, isn't that a crutch. How about Mass drags? Is there anything that can't be considered a crutch then? Spells take time and are pretty expensive. Just because you don't win trophies doesn't mean you lose. If anyone out there has ever lost a raid they knew they would for some insane amount of loot, please nod your heads when I say that it shouldn't be considered a crutch to do so. The goals of this game are to grab as much loot as possible to upgrade your base and as much trophies to seem like a beast. A third might be donations, thats a little gray. But seriously, are you calling lightning a bass turd of CoC? I thought people were better than that. Grow up and revenge, didn't that one advertisement teach you anything?

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Maybe you're not calling it out because you're not getting zapped, ya think? As Ive said before, I get zapped constantly (even in Crystal) as do many other per their comments.

As I have said many times before in this discussion, the crutch is not getting resources "cheaply and effectively", it is completely bypassing the defenses people have built up on the premise of the game, troop raiding. If I spend millions to upgrade walls defenses and then someone can completely bypass those to steal from me to build their walls and defenses, the point of the game is lost. So I will say it once again, storage zapping is a crutch because it doesn't take into account the primary point of the game, building defenses and getting stronger. Honestly, what is the point of building a strong base if no troops will ever raid it because some crutch player is zapping storages. Simply no excuse.

Finally, I think you are a bit confused about the issue your last comments, so let me clarify my position. Any troop raid that doesn't involve storage zapping is legitimate IMO.

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Originally Posted by lordKravinit2009

This thread is funny a bunch of winers just crying about losing a few de be glad irs not the whole storage geesh. I don't cry about it I just get revenge and take all they have and sum.

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The only people crying and whining on this thread are the cowards trying to defend an indefensible "tactic". You better believe if you zap my storage, I will revenge and flatten your base if I get the opportunity, but it still doesn't solve the underlying problem. Crutch players using crutch tactics are ruining the game for everyone. Now ♥♥♥♥ off and get some spelling lessons.

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Originally Posted by Thatsoundsgood

See previous posts regarding the exception of revenge attacks. Zapping is still frowned upon even in this instance but it's a bit more of a gray area than zapping for the purpose of instigating a raid. If you want to punish higher level people, start raiding with troops like a champ and become a higher player yourself. Zapping does neither.

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champs??champs!!!!champs who hide in low rank with infernos?? who cant be defeated by any TH7 or 8 ??

crushing lower TH does not need any skill why dont u hate those??

dont be a fool if they r really champs they should go high to fight real opponents not being cowards hiding in low rank

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Originally Posted by useless

champs??champs!!!!champs who hide in low rank with infernos?? who cant be defeated by any TH7 or 8 ??

crushing lower TH does not need any skill why dont u hate those??

dont be a fool if they r really champs they should go high to fight real opponents not being cowards hiding in low rank

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Im in complete agreement that higher ranks shouldnt dip into lower ranks and vice versa. Ultimately, it's bad strategy on both accounts because high rank hitting low rank makes for crappy loot and low rank hitting high rank makes for impossible raids.

Either way, zapping storages is a crutch no matter who uses it, and that is the point of this discussion, not raid mismatch.

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Originally Posted by Thatsoundsgood

Im in complete agreement that higher ranks shouldnt dip into lower ranks and vice versa. Ultimately, it's bad strategy on both accounts because high rank hitting low rank makes for crappy loot and low rank hitting high rank makes for impossible raids.

Either way, zapping storages is a crutch no matter who uses it, and that is the point of this discussion, not raid mismatch.

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the last one who raided me was a TH9 with lvl 6 troops (note im th7) he stole my loot easily thats a crutch as will and loot penalty dont stop that SC did not stop that but weaken it

same for zap its a crutch as u say but it should not be stopped just like crushing low TH it have been weakened before (de storage hp increase) wish make it less effective

oh for the player who attack me i revenge him using zap since thats the only way to revenge