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We just kick and then follow with an invite for opting people out. If I want someone opted out they are opted out. What we are asking for is the ability for a player to opt himself out. As it stands i have all the power as a leader. I can start war without their consent and those i choose go with me.
Worst logic ever. Almost every point is terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxionXD
Anyone can do anything the same RIGHT NOW. We just kick the people who cant or dont want to war out of our 35-45 players and then start a war and they join back next time they login.
The point is nothing will change except the fact that it will make it WAY more user friendly so we dont have to use workarounds.
I get angry when people cant understand how simplistic things are.
In my day it's what you'd call someone who was listening...."Oi defo open your ears"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloopy14
If there is an opt out option every clan will opt out the top players and will only play with 10 of their low level second Accounts. Then they will send themselves lvl6 troops. The other clan may be a newly founded clan with 10 low level members that can not fight so good and have max. lvl4 troops. They will get frustrated very soon. For people on vacation the system with kick and invite works well but it should not be so easy to have the whole clan opted out
This. This right here is why this thread shouldn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]
This is a case where democracy or mob rule does not equal the best decision.
The majority of clans are poorly managed and do not have great (95%+) participation. Of course the majority want an Opt In/Out Button, it would solve a huge problem for them. They wouldn't have to worry about putting in the time and effort to communicate, recruit and work with their clanmates to get good participation. Nor would they have to coach their players about when/how to leave the clan when they are not ready to be a good teammate for whatever excuse, legitimate or not.
So, yes, Opt In/Out is popular, but that does not mean it is good for the game. Nor does it mean it is fair. The clans who have good management and good participation should have the advantage they have earned for themselves.
Taking that away by adding this button would be like adding an Optimized Auto-Deploy button. Then even people who haven't put in the time or effort with their troops would be able to 3-star bases. I'll bet that would be popular as well. But then people might need an Auto-Que Optimal Army Composition Button too. That'd probably be popular as well.
Most of the time, what the majority want should be taken into consideration. But there are other times when those with the sense to see the big picture should protect what is fair and right. This is one of those times. Imo, just saying, and all such disclaimers. :)
I kick players who don't participate in clan wars and if someone has to travel or something and can't participate in a couple wars they're just losing us stars this would totally fix this problem
We will continue to kick and invite regardless of an opt in/out button. We are a solid war clan and do this every war. Even with an opt in/out button the amount of communication before a war will still be required.Quote:
Originally Posted by FLGatorsEliteJu
Stating that the majority are the only ones with some sense to see the bigger picture is a flaming comment. This has been widely discussed and debated for a long time now and the majority still want it. I think you will find that the majority are well organised war clans who already kick before war (thats why they want a feature likes this.. derp). Disorganised clans, will remain disorganized as it relates to their leadership. They will still have poor communication and inactive members who don't communicate or change their OPT in/out war status...
However, I think the idea needs to be refined to provide what will fit all concerns. Personally I am not a huge fan of individual member OPT in/out as it removes some of my control as leader AND I understand that some people feel it could be exploited some how (I doubt it can be exploited but that's my opinion). At the end of the day even a strong clan that opts out the top players will still only be matched against a weak clan as the war match up system matches up based on who is in the war, not the total players in the clan!. And clans always donate the weaker players good troops anyway.
As I said, not a huge fan of individual opt in/out as it will be a challenge to manage. I would just like to be able to personally select who is not going to war after all the communication and then declare war... At the end of the day all good war clans will remove players who cannot attack in the war for whatever reason. It is not an abuse of power, it just what we do as leaders. Adding this option (not an opt in/out button but a leaders member war toggle for want of a better term) will just make it easier. No big deal and I think this is what all the well organised clans are after.
A simple way to remove non war participants before war is declared, so that Johnnies donation stats are not affected while he climbs the alps this weekend (or whatever) and the clans HUGE trophy score remains the same.
As I said, regardless we will still just kick and invite before war. I think this whole shebang has been blown out of proportion by some forum nazzis to be honest. Oh, and a few clans who are to scared to face tougher opponents maybe. In a true democracy the majority vote wins. End of story.
Lets just get down to how and what system would work best. I'm all for a leader ability to select who wars without having to kick and invite.
I run a well organized war clan so I am in the contingent that wants this to use as a tool to better organize. (I don't consider kicking a good tool) My clan rules would not change if they added it, I will just be equipped with a smoother way of implementing them.
How it should work...
There should be a button (it can be a new one or the war shield can be modified) that toggles a player as in or out.
Access to hit the button to toggle should go to the leader and the player in question.
---- individual players cannot opt each other in or out
---- its an argument either way to give it to co as well - Good for clans where co is a management job, bad for clans that give it out like candy. (I consider the latter to be a sign of a bad leader)
---- A leader who abuses authority to opt guys in against their wishes are really just hurting their own selves for how they are adding a risk to their war participation. (the guy might then just not attack anyhow, if not seeing eye to eye with leader he wont care)
---- A leader opting a guy out against his wishes has that prerogative to decide who he wants in his war. And its still nicer than just kicking the guy like happens now.
The status of a player is only a factor right at the time a war starts. Instead of just selecting all eligible players from the total population it will just be all eligible players from the opted in group.
---- Can even implement by leveraging the existing eligibility functionality that currently is only driven by a timer.
After that everything works the same. The list of warriors from the clan is rounded to an even 5 via the existing logic and then the matchmaking calculation takes place also using the existing logic.
A player joins a clan with his eligibility set the same way it is today. (He is in unless there is a timer)
Things that would not happen -
...A player cannot add themselves to a war after the fact. If they change their status during a war it makes no difference until the next war when that status is read at startup.
...This would not serve as a way to replace members that take off during war. if they do that then there is the same affect on the war as there is today. Unused attacks stay unused. (it will never change that this just stinks when guys pull that stunt)
This is very true and correct, there are indeed clans that will do this. Those same clans are doing this today already so its not really a difference that having opt in/out will make. Clans willing to go that far just to get a win will not let the existence/absence of this feature make or break their choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrgin
I would not do it, I am one of those higher guys that would get the job of feeding lowers but otherwise doing nothing. I would not be happy doing that because I would want to fight myself. I see that as a big part of the fun of war. I think there is enough majority that likes to be part of the fighting to prevent the practice you speak of from getting too rampant with or without an opt in/out feature.