Toggle players on/off for Clan wars

How about this as an unanticipated blow back of the opt out button...

It will KILL 50v50 clan wars... With the simple option, it will be used by full clans, for example 50% of the time. This means that the number of clans with actually 50 members going to war will decrease (significantly) and there will be even worse mismatches in that bracket. My guess is that after a few really gross mismatches, clans will realize that 50v50 clan wars are not worth it and drop to the more popular 45v45 bracket (kicking or opting out players to do so)...

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Originally Posted by JKL2207

I'm actually not opposed to the opt in/out feature, but I thought I might as well highlight some issues that it may cause. I'm actually more interested in the "if there is an opt in/out button how would it be best implemented without it either being subject to abuse or being too loose and potentially ineffective" discussion. I think we can all agree that whatever system is implemented (if any) will have holes in it since it is up to the players at the end of day to use/abuse whatever system is provided.

Your idea of player's choice with the leader having the last say is an interesting one. At least it mitigates human error to an extent. I guess to further expand on that idea when the leader overrides a player's choice it should be somehow displayed for the sake of transparency so other's can either voice their opinions on the matter. I think that may help mitigate abuse from bad leaders.

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I would have full transparency. Everyone should know what's up, absolutely. Just like everyone can see when someone is booted and who did it.

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Originally Posted by Jietoh

How about this as an unanticipated blow back of the opt out button...

It will KILL 50v50 clan wars... With the simple option, it will be used by full clans, for example 50% of the time. This means that the number of clans with actually 50 members going to war will decrease (significantly) and there will be even worse mismatches in that bracket. My guess is that after a few really gross mismatches, clans will realize that 50v50 clan wars are not worth it and drop to the more popular 45v45 bracket (kicking or opting out players to do so)...

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this is a complete non argument. Again- everyones favorite argument against the opt-out/in button is to boot/reinvite. And.....you have less than 50. So again, not only is this already being done on a regular basis with a ♥♥♥♥ work around but those of us that are for this option are asking for an automated procedure so we do not have to boot people. No downsides when you don't have to boot people.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBGood

No way! I am in an active clan of 35-40, and we war nonstop. Why should we have to wait for everyone to check in after a war before declaring again?

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Anyone who joined an active War clan like yours woukd accept that every war you're opted in unless you tell your leader otherwise during the previous war. I inagine an active war clan like yours would have that level of communication. Based on the idea I presented earlier, the leader could automatically assume everyone wants in and opt everyone in just before the new war. It would take him/her less than a minute to do that before the next search.

I imagine and opt in/out function would be completely unnecessary in a War clan like yours. People who don't always want to war wouldn't join your clan, or wouldn't stay very long. Therefore, if Supercell did introduce an opt in/out function the leader's/ coleaders' ability to opt people into war would be very important. Once again I stress the leader's ability to opt in only, not out.

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Originally Posted by Jietoh

How about this as an unanticipated blow back of the opt out button...

It will KILL 50v50 clan wars... With the simple option, it will be used by full clans, for example 50% of the time. This means that the number of clans with actually 50 members going to war will decrease (significantly) and there will be even worse mismatches in that bracket. My guess is that after a few really gross mismatches, clans will realize that 50v50 clan wars are not worth it and drop to the more popular 45v45 bracket (kicking or opting out players to do so)...

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We had a 50 member clan at the beginning of Clan Wars but got so frustrated by the number of members who didn't want to war, that we progressively booted new people who regularly didn't participate until we got down to more manageable core of 35-40 members who want to war at least weekly. And I know many clans that did the same. So the argument that you stated already happened from the outset of Clan Wars. What you'll see at the top end is fewer clans that go to war with 50 members but only use 70% of attacks. You may get fewer easy wins and a lot more close wars as the stronger War clans grow to that number (if that is their plan).

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Originally Posted by JKL2207

The big question with implementing an opt out feature for clan wars:

• Who gets to opt who out? It seems there are two camps here, on one hand some want the leader/co-leaders to have that power and on the other hand people want players to decide for themselves.

The obvious issue that implementing either will be the two different camps arguing that supercell implemented this the wrong way, since it wasn't "their way".

So the issues this will cause if the leader gets to opt people out:

• They get increased responsibilities to track who wants to be in and who wants out (there is always an element of human error in these situations)
• Due to human error the wrong players may be opted out/in
• They get increased powers which can be abused and can limit some player's gaming experience because of exclusion

Issue caused if players opt themselves out:

• They may forget opt out
• Alternatively they may forget to opt in
• The people opting out may cause others to miss out (for example a clan of 50 and one opts out, it means 4 misses out clan wars)
• People may be pressured into not opting out due to the above reason
• Top people may be pressured to not opt out because doing so may mean the bottom players will be included.

Issues that implementing this will cause regardless of whichever system:

• People will be pressured into either opting someone/themselves out of clan wars if they aren't particularly good at clan wars.
• You have more "in-clan" arguments about who should and shouldn't go to war
• This will make clan wars more hardcore and less casual and therefore increase pressure for people to perform which will cause declining participation rates
• players that aren't particularly good will not be included in clan wars and this will hinder their development, enjoyment and growth in the game.
• The pool of larger scale clan wars (i.e. 50 v 50, 45 v 45.... etc etc...) will diminish and clans of those sizes will have longer match-making times and a lower pool of clans to match with, so the chances of playing against the same clan will be increased.

Benefits of having this system in place as opposed using the existing measures (making two clans, leaving and coming back in):

• Donations are intact..... (for those who even care about donations)
• Less jumping in and out of clans

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I agree with your arguments. What I don't agree with is that this isn't already happening. Everyone knows that there are an up and running solutions to players no wanting to war. Kicking people who don't participate, leaving temporarily before the search starts or breaking into War and Non war family clans. Aren't most of your negatives also true for these systems too. I know a lot of them are for our clan.

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Originally Posted by magnor

Anyone who joined an active War clan like yours woukd accept that every war you're opted in unless you tell your leader otherwise during the previous war. I inagine an active war clan like yours would have that level of communication. Based on the idea I presented earlier, the leader could automatically assume everyone wants in and opt everyone in just before the new war. It would take him/her less than a minute to do that before the next search.

I imagine and opt in/out function would be completely unnecessary in a War clan like yours. People who don't always want to war wouldn't join your clan, or wouldn't stay very long. Therefore, if Supercell did introduce an opt in/out function the leader's/ coleaders' ability to opt people into war would be very important. Once again I stress the leader's ability to opt in only, not out.

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People underestimate how organized war clan's have to be. In my clan we have multiple people leave for vacation, work, or upgrades after every war. It's not like a good war clan automatically has people who can constantly commit to war without fault, life happens. People fail to realize the number of war we do causes us to have this problem more often than anyone else. Not saying it's impossible to find a clan that has the same exact people fight every war, but we've managed just fine with all of these problems that come with real life.

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Originally Posted by tjj89

People underestimate how organized war clan's have to be. In my clan we have multiple people leave for vacation, work, or upgrades after every war. It's not like a good war clan automatically has people who can constantly commit to war without fault, life happens. People fail to realize the number of war we do causes us to have this problem more often than anyone else. Not saying it's impossible to find a clan that has the same exact people fight every war, but we've managed just fine with all of these problems that come with real life.

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Yes. Life does indeed happen and not everyone in a clan is always able to war. They really do need to add an opt in/out option so we don't continually have to kick players that aren't able to participate in the war and re-invite them back.

Ok so obviously it wouldn't be that hard to implement, do the reason it hasn't already is because it is a clan war not just a think for a couple people in your clan to do

Bear with me on this one. I've always been in favour of opt in but I wondered if this was a way it could abused.

Take a farming clan with a top 5-10 players who have maxed out their bases. Add a bottom 30 who are mid range th6-7. The high leVel farmers always opt out cuz they don't care about wars, just want to farm and get maxed bases. So the bottom 30 go to war and get matched accordingly.
Now of course their war clan castle will only have average troops cuz only people in the war can donate to war clan castle. However the high levels could donate maxed troops to attacking clan castles thus giving the warring clan an unfair advantage in attack. Is it too much of an unfair advantage? Have I missed anything?

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Originally Posted by tjj89

People underestimate how organized war clan's have to be. In my clan we have multiple people leave for vacation, work, or upgrades after every war. It's not like a good war clan automatically has people who can constantly commit to war without fault, life happens. People fail to realize the number of war we do causes us to have this problem more often than anyone else. Not saying it's impossible to find a clan that has the same exact people fight every war, but we've managed just fine with all of these problems that come with real life.

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Yes I understand that. But I would also imagine that people who join your clan understand that a certain level of communication about whether you can participate in future wars is expected if you wish to remain in the clan. That is the difference between your clan and mine that I was trying to highlight in my post. Because we aren't a dedicated war clan we have people go away and just not say anything. Communicating this to us isn't high on their agenda.

I liken your clan to a basketball team that plays regularly and trains once or twice a week. Communicating that you aren't going to be at the next game or training is a vital courtesy to the team. My clan is a bunch of mates playing street ball at the local park.

Thus if that level of communication is there, then a leaders ability to opt players in (or not if they have been pre-warned) just before starting the next search would be useful, rather than kicking the players who have said they'll be away.

Also discussion as to whether to keep a player, who has said they can't attack, in war to make up numbers is probably a lot more common in clans like yours.