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Been playing CoC for about 18 months and everyone in my Clan loves War.
But it is now getting boring. All we get attacked with are Dragons with a mix of either Rage spells or heal spells.
There is no skill in attacking anymore, even complete newbs can just cook an army of dragons and get 2 stars.
In the same way that they nerfed Hog Attacks by increasing the damage from Bombs,
There should be a damage increase either in the Air Defenses or in the Aerial Bombs.
I understand how you feel and I agree for the most part. However, to say that attacking with mass drags takes no skill is inaccurate. There is an appropriate amount of skill in each attack. Do you have any real experience dragging yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by pez99
Agreeing with Yelfiah....and the best way to get AD's to do more damage is to upgrade them. Many bases have vastly neglected upgrading air defenses, air bombs and seeking air mines. I cant tell you how many TH 9's Ive seen with level 2&3 AD's.
Dragons r very strong but making the air defenses will just destroy the coc "ecosystem". If the air defenses get to say 400dps they will kill max balloons in 2 shots. Everything will be messed up. Make bases able to have more seeking air bombs could be the key. If u need a clan join us! World Heights. We are a very loyal clan in need of a few members!!!!
Clash on!!!
I think it is fine. Just as people construct anti-hog bases, they can also construct anti-drag bases. It is not hard. Drags follow the closest building and so can be quite 'dumb'. A good defense can take advantage of that. Also, they are slow-moving. I've encountered several not-too-high-level bases that were not draggable because of their layout.
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Yup. I would ask the OP what lvl his ADs are compared to the max of his TH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stiehl9s
What I am most bored with is that everyone is doing the same thing. I personally enjoy watching people being creative and attacking with a selection of different troops, thats how you learn and is far more interesting to watch. But whilst attacking with only Drags will get you at least 1 star and in most cases 2 or 3 with little or no thought in how they are deployed, its just going to be same old same old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stiehl9s
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Originally Posted by pez99
I take it then U do the same to your enemy for the sake of winning since it is only fair and balanced (unless matchmaking snaffoo LOL). :)
Guessing you are TH 8 or lower. GoWiWi and GoWiPe are much better (more reliable) at 2 starring at TH 9 and 10 than drags IMO assuming bases don't have obvious major weaknesses to any particular troop. You have to look at the game and other players overall not just your particular clan when speaking of making changes that would have an effect on all.
Good luck in war.
Sorry Pez99 but if you think its just drop dragons and then just sit back and watch as they earn star after evidently easy star then you haven't been using dragons. And if that's working against your clan's bases in wars then you guys need to redesign and upgrade AD's.
Ive seen plenty of mass dragon raids fail to 2* because the player thought the same as you. Almost any army combo should be able to 1* an appropriately ranked base in war.
You are correct I personally dont use Dragons, I think they are unreliable. I guess I am frustrated that my Clan desn't take base design etc as seriously as I do - lol. Been tempted to join a more focused Clan but been with my one for over a year now and have some good friends in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stiehl9s
My clan is WelshRarebits and i have 2 bases Pez99 (106) and Steve ickle Pez (87)
Understandable Pez99 and sorry to hear that. I would be equally as frustrated.
Why not start a new clan with your close friends or all of you switch to a new clan that is more focused on being prepared for wars?
In our current war, we are losing to mass dragoners. Its either, zap/dragon spam, dragon spam+rage, or hog the air def+ dragon spam.
I don't hate mass dragons, I'm sure if the clans were maxed TH10s on both sides, its either GoWiPe or GoWiWi. Only thing that sucks is that we're losing lol.
Two things to deal with drag attacks.
First is air defense. Max them ASAP!
Second is base design. Most people will put the air d in the core and call it anti drag. Now for the vast majority of clashes this will stop them. A serious attacker will look at that and think easy 3 star. It just takes a combo of drags and hogs. A true anti drag base will have air d triangulated, surrounded by some other defense so hogs cannot take one out, with high hit point Buildings near by so drags get hung up.
Low levels need to 3 star. If your newbie low level only gets 2 star on th8 and below, that is considered a fail. No one can win war if all the low levels are 2 starring. That is where the skills is needed with dragons to 3 star.Quote:
Originally Posted by pez99
And TH9 above dragon is outclassed unless they have poor AD, or have poor layout.
Hey, I feel you man, I'm using an anti dragon war base now due to the new trend with all dragons attacks. It's hard to defend against dragons until more like th 9 or 10, but if you look around you can def find some decent th 8 anti dragon bases too.. the best thing you can do to make an anti dragon base is to centralize your airdefenses, max out their level asap, and create some sort of a buffer between them and the rest of the base to route the dragons around them, but still within firing range. Take advantage of trap placement too, you want to make each air bomb and seeking air mine count! Also, it may be best to ditch the clan castle and any heroes to the outside if you are planning on making a purely anti dragon base, so that there is nothing to lure the dragons to the middle. I found a base on the forums called the ring of fire, if you are a th 8 check it out, it works pretty well!
Not at all true. I do not mean to argue at all, but dragons just aren't that overpowered. 11 lvl 3 drags, 2 rage, and 2 heal got a whole star off my lowly little TH8 last war.Quote:
Originally Posted by pez99
Now to contrast a TH10 with 5 spells and 3 dozen lvl 5 hogs walked over it like it wasn't there.
I still fear hogs far more than drags, and if I really, really needed to get 3 stars, its still going to be hogs.
Just think about how the super high level players must feel watching gowithis and gowithat and gowiblah over and over and over.
Or, you all could make anti-dragon war base. Problem solved. Capiche? :p
I like dragon raids, I like it when the attacker only gets one star or loses.:D
2* hardly win you war. 3* win you war.Quote:
Originally Posted by pez99
Dragon spamming need skills too
Dragon is the SAME as forever. Why didn't it happen BEFORE? Why now??? People are too stupid to realize power of dragons until now?
Answer: Because SC nerf hog. Because SC centralize Heroes. People realize that Dragon become the cheapest, fastest and safest option for war. By fast, I mean easy to upgrade to. TH7 can have lv2 dragon, TH8 can have lv3 dragon, which has almost the equal fields in attack power with TH9. 1.5m & 5 day for draon. 2m & 7 day for dragon 2* and 3m & 10 days for dragon 3.
If you nerf dragon by 1.5 damage air boms to dragon, people will find another next cheapest,fastest and safest option. My guess would be Balloonion.
If you nerf balloonions by increasing AD damage, you would end up dealing with gowipe & gowiwi. Right now people don't use these two strategy as much as dragon because it took more time & resources to get to.
It would be endless circle, you know.
People warned us about dragon war when we're asking for hog nerf.
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I'll have spam, spam, dragon, spam, dragon, heal, spam, spam, dragon and spam, please ... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by FFP
Sorry for being completely OT.
Patrick
Dragons are terrible troops and only work against bases with low ad or opportune layouts. I hate watching dragon replays, they are probably the most boring troop in the game. Luckily I have a clan that knows what ad's are so I rarely see dragons.
Problem is that there seems to be a very limited number of combos people have found to offer good chance of winning. Combos like gowipe/gowiwi require upgrading more troop types so combos like massdragon, balloonian or hogs area simpler alternative. Until new troops are given or old troops get a change we are pretty much stuck with the current favorites.Quote:
Originally Posted by pez99
Overall massdragon is slow and expensive to train and in many cases it is oike using a sledgehammer to a job that could be done with hammer. I guess that sooner or later players will get horedto massdragonn and will start to do other combos as well.
Saying a good combo requires no skill is false in my view. Sure it is true if raiding a low enough target, but taking a equal or steonger opponent makes things quite different.
Issue with hogs was that they offered a chance for players to reach way higher then other combos, meaning a th9 had the tools to three star a th10, which in my view should not happend.
Dragons can't ensure victory all time. It requires proper troop deployment. Of course minimum 1 star can be guaranteed in all Dragon attacks on TH8. But that's not sufficient. Also clan castle troop especially wizards can kill all dragon in 1 shot if deployed in a single region. And dragons are only limited till TH8.
Once you reach TH9 or get TH9 Opponents, then dragon strategy can't be used all times. Within some time when you develop your base, you can understand how hard fighting TH9s and 10s.
ive been using the 'th8 antihog transformers base' and been having max 2 stars by hogs and only 1 star by drags
Nice post. Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by o0oAnnyo0o
Balloonion is already better, in my view.
So true. This was an inevitable change as a result of the hog nerf. Is it a problem? well no.Quote:
Originally Posted by o0oAnnyo0o
Basically it turns wars into a 3* race. Most TH8 bases with decent AD can be 1/2* with dragon spam, but to get 3* takes a bit more skill. I don't really see the problem with that as winning the war will still come down to a skill game.
If you are TH8 and constantly getting rolled by lvl 2 drags, then you need to change your base and/or upgrade your AD.
balloonion is cheaper and riskier.in all wars i have been in post update balloonion has struggled to get 2 stars on th9 with level 6+ air defs,mostly results in 1 star and zero chance of 3 stars while mass dragons can get 3 stars th9 .so to say balloonion is very subjective,for me a good combo is dragloon(10 dragons and 10 level 6 balloons).guaranteed 2 stars and has a chance of 3 stars depending on the base designs under attackQuote:
Originally Posted by Humbob
Some time ago when the update showed up and I stopped hogging for good, I submitted a thread complaining about mass dragons and the result of war only depended on which clan had higher lvl dragons and spells. I was in the same position as you.
Now I can certainly say that's not true anymore.
As a TH9 with maxed out defenses and half lvl9 walls, I have wiped out other maxed TH9 with GoWiWi and GoWiPe many many times.
Only those who haven't learn how to Gowiwi attack still use dragons to achieve a mediocre 2 star. Some of our TH10 still use dragons because they cannot 3-star other TH10 anyways, it is very difficult and rarely achieved.
Even our TH8 have started using the strategy, it is hard for them to spend several thousand DE, but they are commited to win.
So far we have won 8 post update wars, and we have fought clans much stronger than us, even winning twice against chinese clans, while they mass dragon us and 2-star everyone, we 3-starred half of their bases with other attacking strategies.
Then why are you posting, moaning about them :SQuote:
Originally Posted by pez99
Haha well played sir, made me spit my coffee....Quote:
Originally Posted by pmhausen
Nice post and good point. I should always remind people when I post that our clan isn't big-time, we are mostly TH6-8s, and rarely try balloonion against high level TH9s or any TH10s (although I did get 2 on a 10 once, but only because he had oddly placed air defense.).Quote:
Originally Posted by bossi
It is funny that clan wars used to be "hog wars" with hogs being used by the majority of non-maxed players so supercell nerfs the hogs to get more variety in attacks and instead just turns wars into "drag wars". I use drags often myself now, but the original poster is correct, wars are all about drags right now. Or gowiwi and gowipe for maxed clans
I believe there is a term called"upgrade ur air defenses"Quote:
Originally Posted by pez99
I'm about to get Maxed Balloons and will be trying my new Dragaloon™ attack. 7 Dragons / 12 Balloons (Still need to upgrade my Army Camps) and a Dragon in the CC. Dragons are meat shields.
There is no big difference with high levels using GOWI__.Quote:
Originally Posted by pez99
Air defense 2 shot loons alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by Flame123
Imma have to agree. Wooptie give the Drags a rest. Anyone can just dump them and throw some spells out. I get it though. Everyone wants to WIN.