My opinion on the upcoming Leagues

Hi. This is my first post in this forum! :)

As you all know, leagues are introduced in this new update coming up very soon. Now I've watched all the meet up videos, and fully understand how it works. Yes, I do know they might change it in the future; and I hope they do, because there's a major problem with it. So, to clarify, here's how the current league system works:

You get placed into a league based on your trophy count. There are 3 divisions in each league; higher leagues will get more loot "bonuses" which means, when you win, any kind of win; 1 or 2 or 3 star, you get a loot bonus that comes out of nowhere based on your league. If you lose, no bonus for you. This information is VERY important as you will see later on.

If Supercell does not modify the league system as shown in the video, then there is a huge problem with it. Now Supercell is trying to add a use to trophies, and try to get people not to farm and put THs outside? Well guess what; you, Supercell, have added a use to trophies (which I really like) and to try and get people not to farm and put THs outside? Dun dun dun, you failed. Here's why:

If every and ANY win counts to a loot bonus, then here's whats gonna happen: everyone's essentially going to put THs outside and farm THs to gain loot from the loot bonus purely. Now Supercell doesn't want this. So fix it. Let me give you an example:

Guy 1: Ladadada, I'm at 1500 trophies and have my TH outside!
Guy 2: Ooh, I'm going matchmaking! Oh hey look, Dude 1 has his TH outside let's attack!
Guy 2: Yay! 4 free trophies and umm... 50k loot from the loot bonus with just a few archers!
Guy 1: Somebody attacked me... free shield! I did lose 4 trophies, but that's like, NOTHING. I can get it back in a matter of minutes.
Guy 2: *goes matchmaking* Another TH outside! Free 50k loot!
[B]Then just keep doing that, and eventually Guy 2 has millions of loot in a matter of minutes. Please fix, Supercell. Not for our sake, for your sake.

Only question is what ate they meant to help? And I think this is a great idea sc has come up with, sure it might negate farming but it's not like you have to stay up there in the high cup ranges it's still your choice.

Free loot for a few troops? Sounds good.

What? With the loot bonus there's going to be less people with TH outside, no?

Anyways I'm a farmer and I'm going to keep my TH outside. I raid way more than I get attacked. As long as I stay within the league range I'm good.

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Originally Posted by Butterflying

Only question is what ate they meant to help? And I think this is a great idea sc has come up with, sure it might negate farming but it's not like you have to stay up there in the high cup ranges it's still your choice.

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Uhh, no. The leagues system will encourage farming (see original post)

EDIT: jenniifuh, it will be the opposite.

All of the things like this could only b answered by time to patience y'all need to survive to time which you must

Not if you receive a loot bonus for defending as well. If it doesn't - then yeah, it'll be lame. But if it does, then that'll pretty much fix most of issues on the subject.


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OP is very confusing but I think I gasped the main point.

I have not been following the update info closely so correct me if I'm wrong.

If the bonus loots are generated by the game, and not from the defender (?), people can just keep attacking each others TH and essentially "farm" the bonus loots.

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Originally Posted by Hojaki

Hi! My first post on this forum. :)

Now, to the issue; leagues are so obviously made to stop trophy-droppers; to encourage people to have their th inside he walls. To make trophies actually have a use. To stop th's outside. But think about it very carefully. It won't make things better. It will make things worse. Here's why:

So leagues work like this, as far as I can see from the meet-up videos:

You will be sorted into a league based on your trophy count;
Higher leagues get better loot "bonuses";
You will get a loot "bonus" when you win a battle.

Now what's the problem, you say?
If a win gives loot bonuses, this will only lead to more th outsiders
People will leave THs OUTSIDE so people can get free loot for just a few troops. People will leave town halls outside; and because ANY kind of win will give loot bonuses (as far as I understand) and ths give wins if destroyed... it will make the situation worse.

This is speculation, and my theory of how it works may not be correct; but if it is the case, this will be a problem and LEAGUES WILL NOT HELP.

aka. Leagues are going to ENCOURAGE farming.

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1) First of all, I don't see why ppl have an issue with others leaving their town halls outside. You can still attack them and take the loot. Their is enough loot to go around.
2) If ppl leave th outside and you can get more loot from taking their town halls, it's good for the attackers.
3) There is extra loot available now if you win a battle, even if you hang out in the 1400s... Tat is gud news, not bad news.
4) Why do you want to discourage farming? Farming is simply a hunt for resources. As long as there are expensive upgrades to be done, there will always be FARMING to be done.

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Originally Posted by Pingfao

If the bonus loots are generated by the game, and not from the defender (?), people can just keep attacking each others TH and essentially "farm" the bonus loots.

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Tats a gud point by the way... I am sure SC would have thought of tat...

Yes but the people with their TH outside who are being attacked over and over will be bleeding trophies at an alarming rate meaning they will not stay in your league for very long and assuming they want to keep getting the bonus loot themselves they will be motivated to keep their trophies by protecting their TH.

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Originally Posted by Stefm211

Yes but the people with their TH outside who are being attacked over and over will be bleeding trophies at an alarming rate meaning they will not stay in your league for very long and assuming they want to keep getting the bonus loot themselves they will be motivated to keep their trophies by protecting their TH.

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They can attack unprotected THs for a few mins and get back to their trophy range. The incentive to leave the THs outside will be higher to attract other farmers to give them a quick shield for the bonus loots.

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Originally Posted by Hojaki

Hi! My first post on this forum. :)

Now, to the issue; leagues are so obviously made to stop trophy-droppers; to encourage people to have their th inside he walls. To make trophies actually have a use. To stop th's outside. But think about it very carefully. It won't make things better. It will make things worse. Here's why:

So leagues work like this, as far as I can see from the meet-up videos:

You will be sorted into a league based on your trophy count;
Higher leagues get better loot "bonuses";
You will get a loot "bonus" when you win a battle.

Now what's the problem, you say?
If a win gives loot bonuses, this will only lead to more th outsiders
People will leave THs OUTSIDE so people can get free loot for just a few troops. People will leave town halls outside; and because ANY kind of win will give loot bonuses (as far as I understand) and ths give wins if destroyed... it will make the situation worse.

This is speculation, and my theory of how it works may not be correct; but if it is the case, this will be a problem and LEAGUES WILL NOT HELP.

aka. Leagues are going to ENCOURAGE farming.

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1. League based on trophy count

Dude A: Trophy is at 100
Dude B: Attacks Dude A, wins loot and Dude A drops trophies due to his loss.
Dude A: Trophy is at 90 (let's just say he lost 10 trophies for simplicity)
Dude C: Attacks Dude A, wins loot and Dude A drops trophies due to his loss.
Dude A: Trophy is now at 80, he is dropped out of that league due to his trophy count, thus nullifying your doomsday prediction that leagues will make things worse.

If anything leagues will put more value on trophies instead of the current e-peen value it has (similar to upvotes, likes, etc...)

I just nullified your argument without changing my font size or using bold letters.

How about we just wait until it is released, gather empirical evidence, and then draw conclusions?

Have a nice day.

Firstly question to be answered is : where does the bonus come from... Why does this matter you ask???

because quite frankly if it does not come from my stores then why the hell do I care about my opponents bonus???

if it does come form my loot then that's different!!!

But as hb808 points out until its realised we don't know the details... So can't really devise what we are / are not going to do

Basically training 200 archers to give everyone and their mother a shield? Hahha 10 archer per win/30k gold/elixir sounds like speed farm to me. Eventually there won't be anyone with th outside for people to attack because they all got a shield. People then cannot find people to attack, now we will search 5 minutes per battle.

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Originally Posted by Pingfao

They can attack unprotected THs for a few mins and get back to their trophy range. The incentive to leave the THs outside will be higher to attract other farmers to give them a quick shield for the bonus loots.

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Lol I don't know where you guys find the time, I have a life and a job and responsibilities. I get on clash a couple times a day maybe a max of an hr at a time I don't have the spare time to maintain that kinda trophy count. I am a TH outside and plan on staying that way so I completely accept the fact that my count will prob not stay high enough for me to qualify for the league bonuses, that is my choice and I don't plan on whining about it.

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Originally Posted by Syaoraen

Basically training 200 archers to give everyone and their mother a shield? Hahha 10 archer per win/30k gold/elixir sounds like speed farm to me. Eventually there won't be anyone with th outside for people to attack because they all got a shield. People then cannot find people to attack, now we will search 5 minutes per battle.

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If the bonus doesn't come from the defenders' storages and there is no bonus for defending, then this scenario seems certain. Even if shielded bases become an issue, the eventual 3k/3k per archer is light-speed farming, specially if SC makes the loot penalty more severe.

To 1. Post:

I don´t think so! People who place the TH outside, are going to do that continiuosly. Thats the same Situation as before. Maybe there are some player, who try to reach a higher Trophy League because of the loot bonus. Maybe it´s going to be better but not worse. No one will put the TH outside just because of the league ;)
Just my point of View.

Why is it so hard for you guys to understand that having More trophy doesn't make it better, instead of being at 1700, I can be at 1400 and still get the same bonus. Not to mention at 1400 I can fight 2 battles with the same amount of troops you will need to fight 1 at 1700. 80k > 40k bonus. Losing 30 cups at 1450 range is not a big deal. You'll still keep your bonus.

Who dont understand that? Were talking about the League from xxx Trophys to xxx Trophys not only the few Trophys. Of course you will get a higher Bonus in a higher League. But you can also stay at the same Trophylevel to get the same bonus twice. It´s just everyones way to playing. Syaoraen, its very simple to understand...you can do it the both ways...you get the point now?

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Originally Posted by hb808

1. League based on trophy count

Dude A: Trophy is at 100
Dude B: Attacks Dude A, wins loot and Dude A drops trophies due to his loss.
Dude A: Trophy is at 90 (let's just say he lost 10 trophies for simplicity)
Dude C: Attacks Dude A, wins loot and Dude A drops trophies due to his loss.
Dude A: Trophy is now at 80, he is dropped out of that league due to his trophy count, thus nullifying your doomsday prediction that leagues will make things worse.

If anything leagues will put more value on trophies instead of the current e-peen value it has (similar to upvotes, likes, etc...)

I just nullified your argument without changing my font size or using bold letters.

How about we just wait until it is released, gather empirical evidence, and then draw conclusions?

Have a nice day.

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Your example is flawed. Between the 1st and 2nd attack, 12 hours have past and maybe A made an attack to get his 5 trophies back. Two 1 star loses represent 10-15 trophies which A can get back in the blink of an eye after having enjoying 24h free shield during which D, E, F, G, H, etc. are not able to attack him. Plus leagues are reset every 2 weeks so A has plenty of time to go back to the original trophy count.
People always come up with that excuse of trophy loss but the truth is a one star loss represents very few trophies.

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Originally Posted by Syaoraen

Why is it so hard for you guys to understand that having More trophy doesn't make it better, instead of being at 1700, I can be at 1400 and still get the same bonus. Not to mention at 1400 I can fight 2 battles with the same amount of troops you will need to fight 1 at 1700. 80k > 40k bonus. Losing 30 cups at 1450 range is not a big deal. You'll still keep your bonus.

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I think league participant will be limited. So it will probably make 1500ish can't stay on 1400 league. For example there are 300 participant limit. All of them have at least have 1600 trophs, then 1500 guys will be kicked out from league and join the 800 league.. Not sure about that, we'll see later.

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Originally Posted by synchronizex

I think league participant will be limited. So it will probably make 1500ish can't stay on 1400 league. For example there are 300 participant limit. All of them have at least have 1600 trophs, then 1500 guys will be kicked out from league and join the 800 league.. Not sure about that, we'll see later.

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This is more my understanding. I remember from the SF video about fighting a battle to be 'placed' back into a league. I don't think everyone who plays CoC is automatically going to be put into a league to win bonuc resource. SC are never giving away that amount of loot for nothing. My guess is that a tiny percentage of players will be in leagues and everyone else will play as normal.

And if it goes horribly wrong, so what? Suck it up or play a different game, leave mines/collectors blah blah blah.

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Originally Posted by madmonk3y

Your example is flawed. Between the 1st and 2nd attack, 12 hours have past and maybe A made an attack to get his 5 trophies back. Two 1 star loses represent 10-15 trophies which A can get back in the blink of an eye after having enjoying 24h free shield during which D, E, F, G, H, etc. are not able to attack him. Plus leagues are reset every 2 weeks so A has plenty of time to go back to the original trophy count.
People always come up with that excuse of trophy loss but the truth is a one star loss represents very few trophies.

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The fact that you used "maybe" (and threw in about twenty different variables) proves my point.

Nobody knows if it is going to make things worse or even better.

Try again. I hear chicken little has some news for you.

I dont see how a loot bonus can be taken from defenders' storages. Does not make any sense since the loot bonus is fixed. Meaning, even if the defender has zero resources, u get a fixed loot bonus.

u can still raise ur trophies if ur th is outside. Just raid and win more. Thats trophy mgt.

i also dont understand the paranoia of not getting enough fixtures due to ppl putting th outside. With the league system, due to the bonus loot, we probably would find ourselves attacking bases with less loot as the bonus would make up for it. Hence fewer skips. If right now i only attack bases with 100k of each resources, with the bonus, i may co sider attacking those with 70 of each.

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Originally Posted by fister

My guess is that a tiny percentage of players will be in leagues and everyone else will play as normal..

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This seems incredibly counter productive, Supercell wants to make money first and foremost so to spend money on developing the league system and implementing it to only a tiny percentage of customers means only a tiny percentage can spend money on it. Not smart business practice, hope you guess wrong.

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Originally Posted by hb808

The fact that you used "maybe" (and threw in about twenty different variables) proves my point.

Nobody knows if it is going to make things worse or even better.

Try again. I hear chicken little has some news for you.

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First giggle today ... Thanks hb808 for being hb808;)

Stefm211

you may have missed that the last few updates was only for a "few". If I count the amount of times I've been attacked by DE troops it would be close to 1 in 20-30 attacks which kinda renders these DE troops as useless in my point of view.

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Originally Posted by Hojaki

Hi! My first post on this forum. :)

Now, to the issue; leagues are so obviously made to stop trophy-droppers; to encourage people to have their th inside he walls. To make trophies actually have a use. To stop th's outside. But think about it very carefully. It won't make things better. It will make things worse. Here's why:

So leagues work like this, as far as I can see from the meet-up videos:

You will be sorted into a league based on your trophy count;
Higher leagues get better loot "bonuses";
You will get a loot "bonus" when you win a battle.

Now what's the problem, you say?
If a win gives loot bonuses, this will only lead to more th outsiders
People will leave THs OUTSIDE so people can get free loot for just a few troops. People will leave town halls outside; and because ANY kind of win will give loot bonuses (as far as I understand) and ths give wins if destroyed... it will make the situation worse.

This is speculation, and my theory of how it works may not be correct; but if it is the case, this will be a problem and LEAGUES WILL NOT HELP.

aka. Leagues are going to ENCOURAGE farming.

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If I am not wrong,percentage and stars plays a part.Town hall is like 2-3% of the town,so you get LESSER loot....so this does NOT encourage farming.

Please correct me if I am wrong.i am a nub.

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Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear

First giggle today ... Thanks hb808 for being hb808;)

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Im lvl 100 and farm,never thought I'd be considering going max out for trophies,but that's where I'm at right now.If you need 2200 trophies to join gold league for your bonus,I'm not going to drop loads to farm lower lvl any more,because when it resets I'd have to go back up to 2200.so I would stay around the 2000 mark or push on to the next league for bigger bonus.This is going to be an epic change that will make being high trophies worth the effort,most bases up there are one an two star wins unless your going in heavy with dragons.Yeah I'm going to enjoy pushing myself to the limits trying to get as high as possible.
How can you not enjoy town hall 9 billwinkie it's so cool at this town hall lvl.;)

To those who think that attacking exposed TH will be a piece of cake, try searching through 20 villages and count the amount of bases with exposed TH.

You'll be surprised but there are alot more villages with TH in the middle of their base compared to exposed TH.

After the loot penalty there has to be some other bonus and this is it...!! Btw anyone want my town hall it's outside along with some funnels ehee

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Originally Posted by hb808

The fact that you used "maybe" (and threw in about twenty different variables) proves my point.

Nobody knows if it is going to make things worse or even better.

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This doesn't prove your point or mine, we're all speculating here. I was just trying to show you where your demonstration was flawed and I think I did.

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Originally Posted by hb808

Try again. I hear chicken little has some news for you.

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Do you know about adult conversation? How old are you, 15?

The upcoming update of including trophy leagues should be considered as a bonus. One does not have to reach like 2k trophies just to obtain the additional bonus loot, you would possibly just end up losing the battle anyways. So just ignore the league and play as if there weren't any. :)

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Originally Posted by PololoP

Stefm211

you may have missed that the last few updates was only for a "few". If I count the amount of times I've been attacked by DE troops it would be close to 1 in 20-30 attacks which kinda renders these DE troops as useless in my point of view.

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If I am not mistaken those upgrades are AVAILABLE to ALL especially those willing to spend money and gem it. Now if you said you guessed it was gonna cost gems to buy yourself into a league I would believe it but don't tell me this update won't be released to each and every player out there because bigger customer base means more $$$$$.

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Originally Posted by DragonBorn

If I am not wrong,percentage and stars plays a part.Town hall is like 2-3% of the town,so you get LESSER loot....so this does NOT encourage farming.

Please correct me if I am wrong.i am a nub.

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Okay. I'll explain. As far as I understand, Any kind of win will give a loot bonus based on your league.

A win is specified as:

Killing the town hall
Killing 50% of the base
Killing 100% of the base.

So this will ENCOURAGE people to leave their THs outside; for others can get free loot by dropping a few archers from the loot bonus (which comes out of nowhere, as proved in the meet up videos) and since this update is supposed to support trophies, not make more people put THs outside, I find it counter-productive.

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Originally Posted by Stefm211

Yes but the people with their TH outside who are being attacked over and over will be bleeding trophies at an alarming rate meaning they will not stay in your league for very long and assuming they want to keep getting the bonus loot themselves they will be motivated to keep their trophies by protecting their TH.

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They won't be 'bleeding trophies at an alarming rate' because they will be shielded.

Make no mistake, this will not change the way I farm, except that I may pay a little more attention to attacking the town hall than I have up until now.

If you have something to protect, whether that be resources, or even trophies, you will benefit from a free shield.

You identify yourself as a farmer yet you seem to indicate you sit out each 12 hr shield. I do sit out the shield now and then if i really cant get to the game but for the most part I break most of my shields so I can raid which means I am open to another attack fairly quickly so yes I do expect to lose a fair number of trophies if this league pans out the way you guys are speculating.

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Originally Posted by Stefm211

This seems incredibly counter productive, Supercell wants to make money first and foremost so to spend money on developing the league system and implementing it to only a tiny percentage of customers means only a tiny percentage can spend money on it. Not smart business practice, hope you guess wrong.

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Competition. Those who want to be part of a better league either to satisfy their ego, for prestige, or simply for fun will compete for a spot.

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Originally Posted by madmonk3y

This doesn't prove your point or mine, we're all speculating here. I was just trying to show you where your demonstration was flawed and I think I did. Do you know about adult conversation? How old are you, 15?

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1. No, you didn't. You just added more variables which proves the future is uncertain. Ask Sarah Connor.

2. Yes, I am 15, make six-figures, live in Hawaii, pay a mortgage, have tuition already paid off for my kids, drive a mini-van, and have spent close to $2,000 on gems on hay day/supercell...BECAUSE I CAN.....I also have hair in odd places.

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Originally Posted by hb808

1. No, you didn't. You just added more variables which proves the future is uncertain. Ask Sarah Connor.

2. Yes, I am 15, make six-figures, live in Hawaii, pay a mortgage, have tuition already paid off for my kids, drive a mini-van, and have spent close to $2,000 on gems on hay day/supercell...BECAUSE I CAN.....I also have hair in odd places.

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Have you tried shaving those hairs in odd places?

How about we just wait a week to have this conversation? Then maybe we could get somewhere.

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Originally Posted by blurx

Have you tried shaving those hairs in odd places?

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No, I just yank them really hard.

the op doesnt make much sense. the loot bonus goes to the attacker. so there is an incentive now to give a free shield. But there is an incentive to keep the th inside because the higher the triophy count the better the loot bonus.


It's going to be great.

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Originally Posted by Stefm211

You identify yourself as a farmer yet you seem to indicate you sit out each 12 hr shield. I do sit out the shield now and then if i really cant get to the game but for the most part I break most of my shields so I can raid which means I am open to another attack fairly quickly so yes I do expect to lose a fair number of trophies if this league pans out the way you guys are speculating.

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Exactly, the new rules mean if you have th outside you will get attacked immediately when u go offline. If you are farming and log off you are going to lose cups in exchange for a shield you r just going to break when your army is ready.


I guess this helps those who stay online all the time.

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Originally Posted by synchronizex

I think league participant will be limited. So it will probably make 1500ish can't stay on 1400 league. For example there are 300 participant limit. All of them have at least have 1600 trophs, then 1500 guys will be kicked out from league and join the 800 league.. Not sure about that, we'll see later.

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The screen vid suggests the leagues reset every week or two. Also the range seems to be 200 trophies if I'm not mistaken.

I think I'm going up to 2000 by Monday in case the update hits.

No one will really leave their th outside. Because if you do you will get demolished so quickly and lose many trophies so you will have a disadvantage.

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Originally Posted by Rager

No one will really leave their th outside. Because if you do you will get demolished so quickly and lose many trophies so you will have a disadvantage.

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There's something called a shield.

interesting, I do see the orginal posters point, if the bonus will truly go for any win.

What if the official release, the bonus is progressive based on # of stars? what if one star doesnt give you much but 2 & 3 stars is the way to go? Also the different stages of the league seem make the bonus climb... so who truly knows until the update is released.

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Originally Posted by jackedint

interesting, I do see the orginal posters point, if the bonus will truly go for any win.

What if the official release, the bonus is progressive based on # of stars? what if one star doesnt give you much but 2 & 3 stars is the way to go? Also the different stages of the league seem make the bonus climb... so who truly knows until the update is released.

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I do hope you get more loot for 2 star and more for 3 star.

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

How about we just wait a week to have this conversation? Then maybe we could get somewhere.

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Madness I say! Let the theorycraft continue!

I think SC is introducing leagues into the game to introduce more loot and make progress a bit easier for everyone. They're obviously bleeding players at the moment, I think anyone who has been seriously farming lately has noticed more and more bases with full collectors and sleeping workers.

I'm curious about those bases as they'll begin to settle down into the lower trophy ranges and the lower tiers will be able to feed on those. Include the mild bonus at those levels and I think there's the possibility that great loot will be found at lower tiers as well.

Have we figured out if TH level effects League loot bonus?

Craft on!

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Originally Posted by Vilehelm

Madness I say! Let the theorycraft continue!

I think SC is introducing leagues into the game to introduce more loot and make progress a bit easier for everyone. They're obviously bleeding players at the moment, I think anyone who has been seriously farming lately has noticed more and more bases with full collectors and sleeping workers.

I'm curious about those bases as they'll begin to settle down into the lower trophy ranges and the lower tiers will be able to feed on those. Include the mild bonus at those levels and I think there's the possibility that great loot will be found at lower tiers as well.

Have we figured out if TH level effects League loot bonus?

Craft on!

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I have a friend who quit and his trophy count increased. He quit for only a month though.

I will C+V this in every "this will be OP" and "this will be lame" next update thread.

It hasn't even been released yet, don't bother speculating balance until the official update.

The league system will give Supercell a super valid excuse to raise the cost of the next upgrades of things to be absurd. 25mil Elixir for Level 7 Archer? Totally seeing that happen.

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Originally Posted by Hojaki

Hi! My first post on this forum. :)

Now, to the issue; leagues are so obviously made to stop trophy-droppers; to encourage people to have their th inside he walls. To make trophies actually have a use. To stop th's outside. But think about it very carefully. It won't make things better. It will make things worse. Here's why:

So leagues work like this, as far as I can see from the meet-up videos:

You will be sorted into a league based on your trophy count;
Higher leagues get better loot "bonuses";
You will get a loot "bonus" when you win a battle.

Now what's the problem, you say?
If a win gives loot bonuses, this will only lead to more th outsiders
People will leave THs OUTSIDE so people can get free loot for just a few troops. People will leave town halls outside; and because ANY kind of win will give loot bonuses (as far as I understand) and ths give wins if destroyed... it will make the situation worse.

This is speculation, and my theory of how it works may not be correct; but if it is the case, this will be a problem and LEAGUES WILL NOT HELP.

aka. Leagues are going to ENCOURAGE farming.

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i think I understand what you are concerned about but correct me if i didnt grasp it fully.

As long as you dont get the bonus for revenging (eg revenge cycle), and there is an increase in loot bonus per star you get to encourage you to go hard or go home, and i actually really like the idea of if you defend successfully you get some sort of loot benefit. Weather it be a bonus just for defending, or if you reeeealy wanted to stop farming in a hardcore way you only get to keep the loot you raid if you win the fight by a minimum of 1 star. If you dont minimm of 1 star someone then you get no loot as your target is able to scavange the loot back from your dead armys corpses. So people protecting TH's are protecting their loot better than farmers leaving it outside. I dont know though, it would be a severe change and i could imagine outrage so i doubt it. Guess we can just wait and see how it works out :p! Not long now.

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Originally Posted by RegaliaRemix

The league system will give Supercell a super valid excuse to raise the cost of the next upgrades of things to be absurd. 25mil Elixir for Level 7 Archer? Totally seeing that happen.

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While we will likely see further inflated upgrade costs if the system works as theorized, I don't think that is the important shift. I think the big goal of this update, for Supercell, is to make time the limiting factor for upgrades for almost everyone.

The big two consequences of the update (seemingly) will be:

1) More loot. More loot means that current upgrade costs will be much more managable (looking forward to walls :o). This means that people will often find themselves with full storages and not enough builders to keep pace. This will make gemming a project to finish early will be mich more attractive. From both a player's perspective and Supercell's, I think this could have the effect of extending the eventual life of the game. They will have greater leeway fro increasing costs, and thus giving maxxed players more to do (again, more money for them as well).

2) Higher overall trophy counts for most players. The big impact of this for most players (with a possible exception for post-update farmers, if possible) is less frequent raiding. The goal in attacking will shift from trophies OR loot into trophies AND loot. This will certainly require more troops (perhaps better ones too) to be used in order to routinely succeed. This will mean more time between raids. While the impact of this will be negligble for some and managable for others, for those who decide to push their limits (which will be incentivized) will find gemming/boosting barracks as the only way to maitain or raise their trophy counts.

If this proves to be true, I view it as a good thing. Patience will still be rewarded and impatience will make Supercell money. As we all know, I have plenty of time. :D

Then the game becomes more linear as people will now resort to more 10+ drag raids to try and 3 star people.

How to fix: Give THs 7-9 an additional 1 or 2 seeking air mines?

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Then the game becomes more linear as people will now resort to more 10+ drag raids to try and 3 star people.

How to fix: Give THs 7-9 an additional 1 or 2 seeking air mines?

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I would prefer a pekka buff, personally.

SC are bringing more available loot to the game - no complaints about that.

League system will encourage players to be active - no complaints about that.

My question - is a win defined as 3 stars? ( it should be, otherwise, why introduce, let's wait for update! )

@tiny WIN IS ANY STAR, as long u get th or 50% or 100% its still same loot bonus

and dude CARE TO ELABORATE WHATS BAD ABOUT ENCOURAGING FARMING

I BELIEVE WE SHOULD TRY TO GET EVERYONE WHO FARMS TO PUT THEIR TH OUTSIDE FOR FREE SHIELD FOR DEFENDER AND FREE RESOURCES FOR ATTACKER ...

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the op doesnt make much sense. the loot bonus goes to the attacker. so there is an incentive now to give a free shield. But there is an incentive to keep the th inside because the higher the triophy count the better the loot bonus.


It's going to be great.

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No, sorry. I'm afraid it will be the opposite, sorry for the unclear OP:

Theres an incentive to leave THs outside because then others can get free loot (from loot bonus, which as I explained, comes out of nowhere) from a few archers at picking off the TH. Besides, putting THs outside almost makes no difference. I put mine outside and I can well maintain 1500 trophies.

Also, to clarify, I am NOT AGAINST FARMING. But I assume Supercell is; so there ya go.

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No, sorry. I'm afraid it will be the opposite, sorry for the unclear OP:

Theres an incentive to leave THs outside because then others can get free loot (from loot bonus, which as I explained, comes out of nowhere) from a few archers at picking off the TH. Besides, putting THs outside almost makes no difference. I put mine outside and I can well maintain 1500 trophies.

Also, to clarify, I am NOT AGAINST FARMING. But I assume Supercell is; so there ya go.

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Then how do the leagues make things "worse"? Supercell doesn't appear to be nerfing farming, they merely are raising the ranges.

Okay, I completely revamped OP. Hopefully it will be less confusing. I advise you to read the whole thing before posting.

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I read the whole thing and it is still just your guess at what might happen.

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I read the whole thing and it is still just your guess at what might happen.

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Well, I did mention that Supercell might change it in the future, but if it stays the way it is now, then there's a huge problem with it. So it is pure speculation; you are right, but I did mention it in the OP, so I know.

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Hi. This is my first post in this forum! :)

As you all know, leagues are introduced in this new update coming up very soon. Now I've watched all the meet up videos, and fully understand how it works. Yes, I do know they might change it in the future; and I hope they do, because there's a major problem with it. So, to clarify, here's how the current league system works:

You get placed into a league based on your trophy count. There are 3 divisions in each league; higher leagues will get more loot "bonuses" which means, when you win, any kind of win; 1 or 2 or 3 star, you get a loot bonus that comes out of nowhere based on your league. If you lose, no bonus for you. This information is VERY important as you will see later on.

If Supercell does not modify the league system as shown in the video, then there is a huge problem with it. Now Supercell is trying to add a use to trophies, and try to get people not to farm and put THs outside? Well guess what; you, Supercell, have added a use to trophies (which I really like) and to try and get people not to farm and put THs outside? Dun dun dun, you failed. Here's why:

If every and ANY win counts to a loot bonus, then here's whats gonna happen: everyone's essentially going to put THs outside and farm THs to gain loot from the loot bonus purely. Now Supercell doesn't want this. So fix it. Let me give you an example:

Guy 1: Ladadada, I'm at 1500 trophies and have my TH outside!
Guy 2: Ooh, I'm going matchmaking! Oh hey look, Dude 1 has his TH outside let's attack!
Guy 2: Yay! 4 free trophies and umm... 50k loot from the loot bonus with just a few archers!
Guy 1: Somebody attacked me... free shield! I did lose 4 trophies, but that's like, NOTHING. I can get it back in a matter of minutes.
Guy 2: *goes matchmaking* Another TH outside! Free 50k loot!
Then just keep doing that, and eventually Guy 2 has millions of loot in a matter of minutes. Please fix, Supercell. Not for our sake, for your sake.

Please, read the whole thing before commenting.

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Hahaha farmer fail, i say good job. Bye bye farming!!!

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Hi. This is my first post in this forum! :)

As you all know, leagues are introduced in this new update coming up very soon. Now I've watched all the meet up videos, and fully understand how it works. Yes, I do know they might change it in the future; and I hope they do, because there's a major problem with it. So, to clarify, here's how the current league system works:

You get placed into a league based on your trophy count. There are 3 divisions in each league; higher leagues will get more loot "bonuses" which means, when you win, any kind of win; 1 or 2 or 3 star, you get a loot bonus that comes out of nowhere based on your league. If you lose, no bonus for you. This information is VERY important as you will see later on.

If Supercell does not modify the league system as shown in the video, then there is a huge problem with it. Now Supercell is trying to add a use to trophies, and try to get people not to farm and put THs outside? Well guess what; you, Supercell, have added a use to trophies (which I really like) and to try and get people not to farm and put THs outside? Dun dun dun, you failed. Here's why:

If every and ANY win counts to a loot bonus, then here's whats gonna happen: everyone's essentially going to put THs outside and farm THs to gain loot from the loot bonus purely. Now Supercell doesn't want this. So fix it. Let me give you an example:

Guy 1: Ladadada, I'm at 1500 trophies and have my TH outside!
Guy 2: Ooh, I'm going matchmaking! Oh hey look, Dude 1 has his TH outside let's attack!
Guy 2: Yay! 4 free trophies and umm... 50k loot from the loot bonus with just a few archers!
Guy 1: Somebody attacked me... free shield! I did lose 4 trophies, but that's like, NOTHING. I can get it back in a matter of minutes.
Guy 2: *goes matchmaking* Another TH outside! Free 50k loot!
Then just keep doing that, and eventually Guy 2 has millions of loot in a matter of minutes. Please fix, Supercell. Not for our sake, for your sake.

Please, read the whole thing before commenting.

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Ok that post is a lot better good job.

well as far as Im aware, the 100k worth of resource bonus 800 DE bonus is in the highest tier league. Now as far as im aware the bonus loot drops dependant on which leage you are in. So just so I can see it myself ill draw some figures plucked out of the air to give it some shape, descending order.

Tier 6 - 100k bonus
Tier 5 - 50k bonus
Tier 4 - 25k bonus
Tier 3 - 12.5k bonus
Tier 2 - 6.25k bonus
Tier 1 - 3.125k bonus.

Now i have no idea of exact figures and im sure it wont be as simple as half bonus each tier, but lets just ballpark it for a bit.

Now from a benefit point of view, i would say only the players in tiers 1,2 and 3 would be willing to sacrifice and TH for a shield, they arent really close to the upper tiers where the loot bonus reall kicks in. The bonuses from Tiers 1,2 and 3 are not huge, but for the sake of time lets assume that the majority of TH farming would take place at Tier 3 as this would be the goldilocks zone, any TH farming at Tiers 1 and 2 just would not be that time/resource efficient, most likely by design.
So tier 3 goldilocks zone TH farming is a possibility, but. If i'm farming lets say 10 TH's in a row tier 3, 5 archers a pop each fight on a free TH, not that expensive. But the search costs will add up also so it might not be as lucrative as it first seems. But in the process of farming those 10 TH's ive gone up 50 trophies, I might even be near Tier 4, and thats where the reall paper starts getting made. So i might still be incentivised to keep pushing forward. Because once you hit tier 4 I think its going to be less and less likely to find a TH and this is when people are going to start wanting to hold on to their cups, so your search costs go up, and your farming rewards again start being less time rewarding. Im already at tier 4, so i might as well stay here and keep my TH in my base because its probably a little bit better than tier 3 goldilocks farming, and if i keep getting cups, could start getting even more loot! So i might as well stcik with it.
Just a bit of a harmless theory craft, im sure not every one will do this but it might trend the general population to play this way. Cold also just be entirlely and completely horribly wrong and its terrible and makes 0 impact on farming and nothing changes.

Thanks for the detailed and constructive response.

I'm aware that that might be the case, and that it might not affect farming at all; but it could happen, and that's all that matters. If it does, and Supercell does not fix it, then it's going to be a huge change to farming.

But if nothing happens and it doesn't affect farming, nothing will happen at all.

So there's a chance that this will completely change farming in CoC forever, and there's a chance that almost nothing has happened.

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You identify yourself as a farmer yet you seem to indicate you sit out each 12 hr shield. I do sit out the shield now and then if i really cant get to the game but for the most part I break most of my shields so I can raid which means I am open to another attack fairly quickly so yes I do expect to lose a fair number of trophies if this league pans out the way you guys are speculating.

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Shields are for sleeping. I NEVER pay attention to whether I have a shield or not before attacking.

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Hi. This is my first post in this forum! :)

As you all know, leagues are introduced in this new update coming up very soon. Now I've watched all the meet up videos, and fully understand how it works. Yes, I do know they might change it in the future; and I hope they do, because there's a major problem with it. So, to clarify, here's how the current league system works:

You get placed into a league based on your trophy count. There are 3 divisions in each league; higher leagues will get more loot "bonuses" which means, when you win, any kind of win; 1 or 2 or 3 star, you get a loot bonus that comes out of nowhere based on your league. If you lose, no bonus for you. This information is VERY important as you will see later on.

If Supercell does not modify the league system as shown in the video, then there is a huge problem with it. Now Supercell is trying to add a use to trophies, and try to get people not to farm and put THs outside? Well guess what; you, Supercell, have added a use to trophies (which I really like) and to try and get people not to farm and put THs outside? Dun dun dun, you failed. Here's why:

If every and ANY win counts to a loot bonus, then here's whats gonna happen: everyone's essentially going to put THs outside and farm THs to gain loot from the loot bonus purely. Now Supercell doesn't want this. So fix it. Let me give you an example:

Guy 1: Ladadada, I'm at 1500 trophies and have my TH outside!
Guy 2: Ooh, I'm going matchmaking! Oh hey look, Dude 1 has his TH outside let's attack!
Guy 2: Yay! 4 free trophies and umm... 50k loot from the loot bonus with just a few archers!
Guy 1: Somebody attacked me... free shield! I did lose 4 trophies, but that's like, NOTHING. I can get it back in a matter of minutes.
Guy 2: *goes matchmaking* Another TH outside! Free 50k loot!
Then just keep doing that, and eventually Guy 2 has millions of loot in a matter of minutes. Please fix, Supercell. Not for our sake, for your sake.

Please, read the whole thing before commenting.

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Dang now u alerted supercell to their mistake lol :p

Do we actually have any idea if the bonus comes from storages or from the aether?

Money is given my supercell the player do not lose it.

Has anyone considered that SuperCell may have figured out that the thing people spend their gems on most is TIME, not on resources? So perhaps why not make it easier to get resources built up, and upgrades started.... but.... easier to run into the wall of 'all builders busy... all storages full.... oh well, I guess I will gem finish this upgrade so I can continue raiding...' Personally it seems like a brilliant move by SuperCell.

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Has anyone considered that SuperCell may have figured out that the thing people spend their gems on most is TIME, not on resources? So perhaps why not make it easier to get resources built up, and upgrades started.... but.... easier to run into the wall of 'all builders busy... all storages full.... oh well, I guess I will gem finish this upgrade so I can continue raiding...' Personally it seems like a brilliant move by SuperCell.

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That must be the best theory i have read today

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Has anyone considered that SuperCell may have figured out that the thing people spend their gems on most is TIME, not on resources? So perhaps why not make it easier to get resources built up, and upgrades started.... but.... easier to run into the wall of 'all builders busy... all storages full.... oh well, I guess I will gem finish this upgrade so I can continue raiding...' Personally it seems like a brilliant move by SuperCell.

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When people spend their money on resources, It is still indirect purchase of time, just somewhat disguised. Also from my point of view I think you are bang on the money! Keeps the game enjoyable and constantly progressive while still retaining people into a long term commitment and appeals to the exact same target audience of "I choose not to wait". Nice post.

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Has anyone considered that SuperCell may have figured out that the thing people spend their gems on most is TIME, not on resources? So perhaps why not make it easier to get resources built up, and upgrades started.... but.... easier to run into the wall of 'all builders busy... all storages full.... oh well, I guess I will gem finish this upgrade so I can continue raiding...' Personally it seems like a brilliant move by SuperCell.

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And they will also be praised by the people who spend no gems as they want more resources as things are too expensive at high levels. Two birds one stone.

Why change anything?

They are already KILLING the appstore.

Keep the current business model, don't give any freebies. Release new content, but use the same formulas regarding gem purchases and "time" purchases (resources or otherwise)

In the iOS app marketplace you got to hit them hard and hit them fast, just like that blonde on Shark Tank who owns QVC says. There are some pretty interesting games on the horizon that are just waiting to take the throne from SC, eventually one of them will. So it is in SC's best interest to make as much money as possible so they build a big nest egg for developing the next game or hell..sell the company for bazillion dollars.

I want to see the development team in yachts, fancy cars, and eating the best food San Francisco can offer. They deserve to live it up and worked hard to get here (RE: Gunshine).

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Can someone explain how the divisions will work? How do you progress in the divisions? Is division I better than III? Does it even matter in what division you are; are there bonuses? If anyone knows please share your knowledge!
Thank you! :)

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Has anyone considered that SuperCell may have figured out that the thing people spend their gems on most is TIME, not on resources? So perhaps why not make it easier to get resources built up, and upgrades started.... but.... easier to run into the wall of 'all builders busy... all storages full.... oh well, I guess I will gem finish this upgrade so I can continue raiding...' Personally it seems like a brilliant move by SuperCell.

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Finally, someone who gets it :)

1. why the hell would you mention this to them
2. ppl are still going to go for trophies and have their th inside just like there are still gonna be premature th9 probaly like you

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Hi. This is my first post in this forum! :)

As you all know, leagues are introduced in this new update coming up very soon. Now I've watched all the meet up videos, and fully understand how it works. Yes, I do know they might change it in the future; and I hope they do, because there's a major problem with it. So, to clarify, here's how the current league system works:

You get placed into a league based on your trophy count. There are 3 divisions in each league; higher leagues will get more loot "bonuses" which means, when you win, any kind of win; 1 or 2 or 3 star, you get a loot bonus that comes out of nowhere based on your league. If you lose, no bonus for you. This information is VERY important as you will see later on.

If Supercell does not modify the league system as shown in the video, then there is a huge problem with it. Now Supercell is trying to add a use to trophies, and try to get people not to farm and put THs outside? Well guess what; you, Supercell, have added a use to trophies (which I really like) and to try and get people not to farm and put THs outside? Dun dun dun, you failed. Here's why:

If every and ANY win counts to a loot bonus, then here's whats gonna happen: everyone's essentially going to put THs outside and farm THs to gain loot from the loot bonus purely. Now Supercell doesn't want this. So fix it. Let me give you an example:

Guy 1: Ladadada, I'm at 1500 trophies and have my TH outside!
Guy 2: Ooh, I'm going matchmaking! Oh hey look, Dude 1 has his TH outside let's attack!
Guy 2: Yay! 4 free trophies and umm... 50k loot from the loot bonus with just a few archers!
Guy 1: Somebody attacked me... free shield! I did lose 4 trophies, but that's like, NOTHING. I can get it back in a matter of minutes.
Guy 2: *goes matchmaking* Another TH outside! Free 50k loot!
Then just keep doing that, and eventually Guy 2 has millions of loot in a matter of minutes. Please fix, Supercell. Not for our sake, for your sake.

Please, read the whole thing before commenting.

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This will ruin the game but join Ltnix0n clan

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This will ruin the game but join Ltnix0n clan

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Y'know, I hear Sneaky is a great travel agent, I'm sure he could arrange for a wonderful holiday for you! You might not even come back!

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Has anyone considered that SuperCell may have figured out that the thing people spend their gems on most is TIME, not on resources? So perhaps why not make it easier to get resources built up, and upgrades started.... but.... easier to run into the wall of 'all builders busy... all storages full.... oh well, I guess I will gem finish this upgrade so I can continue raiding...' Personally it seems like a brilliant move by SuperCell.

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Ermmm that's the life of a farmer !!! Daily dilema... Oh wait screw that keep a builder free and upgrade walls:p

Seeing as we don't exactly know how the leagues will work or how large the loot bonuses will be it seems a little early to judge whether this will ruin anything. They could be relatively small bonuses and have little effect on farming or trophy hunting.

With new updates getting more and more expensive, Supercell has to introduce loot into the game somehow. This is there way. It's easy so don't complain.

Will you get more resources if you have a farming base and around 1400 trophies or if you have a trophy hunting base and have around 2000 trophies after the update?

I love this new league system, it feels more comfy as a starcraft player.

Please shut up about if its fair or not fair if you place your TH outside. Why do you blame the players who have their TH outside. The players who are attacking and only takes the TH and are to lazy to attack the rest, they are the ones to blame. Since when is the victum the guilty one?

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Please shut up about if its fair or not fair if you place your TH outside. Why do you blame the players who have their TH outside. The players who are attacking and only takes the TH and are to lazy to attack the rest, they are the ones to blame. Since when is the victum the guilty one?

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Eeerrrrr...what? People that take just the TH 1: get trophies and 2: save on troop costs. As for the farmer they get a cheap shield....that's why the TH is outside in the first place. Some may call that a win-win. But I'm to "lazy" to care.


oh boy, I fear this thread is coming off the tracks.

This system is NOT going to hurt the game. For one thing, it's going to make people with their TH outside a more attractive target, and then they will get attacked, get a shield, ect. However, this already happens, except you get 50 gems worth of shield when your TH gets wrecked. The only reason that I personally have my TH unprotected is because of space and walls; as in I don't have enough space in my base (that's a nice rhyme). The point being, this won't really impact anyone at all in a negative way. Most people aren't going to move their TH outside of their base for the good of others. In fact, almost nobody will. However, they'll attack people with their TH outside just the same as they were before, in fact a bit more, for the bonus. If you actually care, I have my TH outside of my base, and out of the last 10 attacks, only half of them have been serious attacks. Half. That's 5 free 12 hour shields for me.

/rant over

It's really hard to please everybody. Just let us look on the bright side, that it will help us in farming.. Remember in life, there's always two roads in every path.. Means, everything has a good side and a bad side.. League system will benefit us mostly. :)

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I'm going to try it out at 2000 trophies if I can get there. The extra lott cant hurt and if it sucks I'll drop down next time they lock leagues.

I don't know why everyone thinks that this is anti farming...
Supercell promised that they would make it better for people in higher trophy ranges to get more resources.
This is them following through on that promise.....

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I don't know why everyone thinks that this is anti farming...
Supercell promised that they would make it better for people in higher trophy ranges to get more resources.
This is them following through on that promise.....

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It would've been easier to just increase collector production.

I really don't understand the freak out factor here...

so whats the god damn problem if people get few extra resources? :S Damn the devil supercell is trying to give you a push and here you are already nagging about it you queen drama. No matter what happens people will not stop farming. So whats the problem if farming now is more rewarding. Thank you supercell for injecting resources to the game and kindly ignore this kid :D.

I heard the leagues will bring us peace without honor. They must be stopped.

Lol. the league is not even out yet.
Give it a chance guys, like how we gave the new WB a chance.

Then again, there are still unhappiness regarding the WB :p
Bad example I guess.. ?

Personally, if the bonus is not worth it, and there is no significant penalty for losing my TH, then I'm going back to farming with my farming base. :D

So supercell, its up to you to make the bonus/reward worth it for us to protect this fat 4x4 building, at the expense of our resources ;)

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yes I 100% agree with you, use <deleted link> and post this to more forums.

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1. New member
2. 1st post
3. Submits a link where we can install something that can be used to spy on you and track all of your activity.

I think I'll pass on this one honeybunch.

Edit: Holy god, I must've smited the post!

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Well, I don't think I was the only one who reported it :)