useless classes that need fixing

there are troops no one uses. it would be nice to see them fixed to where they are used. of the thousands of times i have ben attacked, i dont recall seeing wizards. they cost too much for a troop that dies so fast. the 4 cost for space is ok but gold and time to make render this a useless troop. the balloons are simply something to look at. the new update has them exploding on the ground - but cost, space, time, and the fact that they will never get close to a defended base means they are worthless outside the entry level. healers too take up so much space and costs so much that no one higher up will ever use them. they die too easy and anyone considering them would rather just add another dragon. so the game goes back to basics and most troops are not worth using or upgrading. why not fix them to where they can be used effectively? everyone uses barbs, archers, gobs followed by pekkas and dragons later. making it pointless to even have some troops in the game. every troop should be tweaked to where they get used as much as the others. its supercell who is missing the cash opportunity here. no one is going to pay to update units not used by anyone.

Wizards has splash now, most players use them as a defense unit now, no longer worthless.

Balloons will have a buff after the update.

Pekkas need a buff though:(

I think every unit is used . Maybe people don't attack you with it, but there are people that use every unit. I used balloons when I was early in the game. I'm sure other early users use it.

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Originally Posted by Circa2012

I think every unit is used . Maybe people don't attack you with it, but there are people that use every unit. I used balloons when I was early in the game. I'm sure other early users use it.

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My entire attacking strategy is airborne. I have a few Wallbreakers and Giants to take out the occasional Air Defense, but then I swarm you with 16-20 Balloons lv 5 from all sides, and this gets me 100% wins most of the time. Sometimes I like to slide in a lv 3 Dragon just for fun, but I think that Balloons are highly underestimated troops. It takes two shots from a Balloon to Destroy a lv 10 Archer tower, think about that.

How about reducing Wizards cost to 5min but raising their cost to like 7k Elixir at level 5 maybe?

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Originally Posted by pinser

Wizards has splash now, most players use them as a defense unit now, no longer worthless.

Balloons will have a buff after the update.

Pekkas need a buff though:(

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Pekka has been nerfed. I would argue that they went a little too far when they introduced the Tesla dmg x2. But Pekka doesn't need a buff or it will end up back to being overpowered like it was before.

The wall HP increase and tesla x2 dmg did nerf the pekka, but yes, I agree that the pekka would become overpowered if she had a buff:(

Wizards and balloons need their build time lowered. Their time cost is very high per troop slot compared to other troops including dragons and pekkas.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Wizards and balloons need their build time lowered. Their time cost is very high per troop slot compared to other troops including dragons and pekkas.

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Indeed they are the worst of the non dark troops:
http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7343338.png

Would definitely love a reduction wizard build time, even if they became more expensive. They are great units that just take too long to make.

But if they do that, hopefully they make buildings have a ton more HP. Wizards can literally blow anything in 4-5 hits. or less... and if you get raided by Wizards constantly, that wouldn't be fun losing all that moolah.

Giants do more damage overall because they survive much longer. Wizards are only effective once you have cleared out most defences. I rarely use them because of this, and the time it takes to train them.

Best fix would be to up their HP a bit.

If you pit a Giant vs Wizard 1v1, the Wizard can roast the giant before getting dented for half his HP. Wizard is pretty much a very strong version of Archer with splash damage.

I dont mind the wizard build time. I dont use them much but when i do it is for trophy hunting. Farming with wizards does not make much sense (if you cannot steal the loot with your archers you are at too high a trophy level). Almost all of the trophy hunting strategies that use wizards are very spell heavy. Unless you gem, usually the spells limit when you can attack. Troop build times are not as much of a factor.

I would have to agree, wizards and balloons are the most ineffective inefficient units this game has to offer, with the healer closely following. The last time I was actually attacked by balloons was back at TH6-7 which was 3-4 months ago. I have yet to be attacked by wizards. I have been attacked by a healer or two before, but they never made it anywhere. These units are pointless and will never be effective or efficient, I do not see why major modifications are not being taken in order to fix these units.

On a side note, I have never built a balloon/wizard/healer and do not ever plan to because the time it takes is so unbelievably inefficient that I wouldn't even consider it unless the training time was reduced by 80%, at least for the wizard/balloon. They are not worth 10 minutes and never could be unless major actions were taken to change the dmg/spd/hp those units have dramatically. And honestly 2 minutes for those units is a good time, building an army of them would still take a considerable amount of time and resources, not to mention how ineffective they would still be, but reducing the time to 2 minutes would be a start at least.

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Originally Posted by RegaliaRemix

If you pit a Giant vs Wizard 1v1, the Wizard can roast the giant before getting dented for half his HP. Wizard is pretty much a very strong version of Archer with splash damage.

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Not only is that pointless nonsense, as we're not talking about them facing off, more which is better to use for attacking ... but it's also complete tosh. A level 4 giant would kill a level 2 wizard [both cost 2000 elixir] very quick. He only needs 4 strikes, where the wizard requires double that to kill the giant.

Even allowing for range, the giant will have walked right through the wizards first fire ball like a breeze.

The pekka probably does need a slight buff, or sc could take out the tesla x2 damage, because no higher players will use pekkas as meat shields anymore because of the golem coming in...

I do think that wizard training time should be decreased, as awesome as they are 10 minutes is just ridiculous!

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Originally Posted by selleycopter

The pekka probably does need a slight buff, or sc could take out the tesla x2 damage, because no higher players will use pekkas as meat shields anymore because of the golem coming in...

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Pekkas bring damage too. The golem doesn't.

Last 3 attacks on my base! Whoa! They all used wizards! And one used balloons! How come? I thought nobody uses them!?
http://i.imgur.com/NLOgd87.jpg

Ok granted I was in the lowish cups after experimenting again with sub 200. But personally I've also been playing around with level 5 balloons recently. But I must admit I have not used a P.E.K.K.A. in a long time except that one time somebody donated it to me (I didn't ask for it). But I'm currently cooking them up for lvl 2 so I'm sure I'd use them a couple of times again and them forget about them until I level them up again and try them again a couple of times before resting them in peace.

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Originally Posted by silentwill

Last 3 attacks on my base! Whoa! They all used wizards! And one used balloons! How come? I thought nobody uses them!?
http://i.imgur.com/NLOgd87.jpg

I've also been playing around with level 5 balloons recently. But I must admit I have not used a P.E.K.K.A. in a long time except that one time somebody donated it to me (I didn't ask for it). But I'm currently cooking them up for lvl 2 so I'm sure I'd use them a couple of times again and them forget about them until I level them up again and try them again a couple of times before resting them in peace.

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I wouldn't call those attacks shining examples of usage. They are all low level troops where the attacker probably doesn't know what they are doing.

Clearly wizards and balloons are under represented in most genuine attacks by skilled players. A big reason why that is, in my opinion, is their time per slot is way out of whack with what it should be. Their build times need to be halved.

Those are some terrible attackers right there ^

In saying that, could have just been that one attack they messed up and everything went wrong for them. It's happened me a couple of times today alone. I'll annihalate a level 50+ base with basic troops, then go all out with a strong army and fall on my face against what seemed to be a run-over base my level [46]

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Pekkas bring damage too. The golem doesn't.

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Yes I do know that, but i'm saying that pekka meat shields have been ruled out of the game because of the golem. Pekkas now would only be used as damage dealers, and hardly anyone uses them as damage dealers anymore, most players using dragons instead.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

I wouldn't call those attacks shining examples of usage. They are all low level troops where the attacker probably doesn't know what they are doing.

Clearly wizards and balloons are under represented in most genuine attacks by skilled players. A big reason why that is, in my opinion, is their time per slot is way out of whack with what it should be. Their build times need to be halved.

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I agree with you on that. But I also see some trophy hunters using wizards when we did a trophy hunting week a couple of weks back and I reached the 2000+, no balloon enthusiast though.

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Originally Posted by Thecageyone

Not only is that pointless nonsense, as we're not talking about them facing off, more which is better to use for attacking ... but it's also complete tosh. A level 4 giant would kill a level 2 wizard [both cost 2000 elixir] very quick. He only needs 4 strikes, where the wizard requires double that to kill the giant.

Even allowing for range, the giant will have walked right through the wizards first fire ball like a breeze.

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What YOU are saying is "pointless nonsense".

Go to wiki and check both units damage PER ATTACK, not per second. Also Wizard is a ranged unit therefore they can nail a hit or 2 before Giants can even get close to them due to the Giants poor movement speed. lol

I included all specs, and it's still a Giant win. Don't be a geek. :D Wiki page ... lol - Giants may be slow to get there, but they'd pound a wizard to death pretty quick, have you seenhow slow the wizard is? and how they die after 2 hits from just about any defence?

Uhh it depends on the PLAYER

Wizards= the best defence unit.
Don't you dare insult wizards.

Wizards are teh gayzlordz! :P

Kidding.

I've nowt against them, but not many people offer them up, at least in my clan. Maybe I should change!?

Pretty much since the update, if you had to choose between Wizard or Archer, take the Wizard. Don't question it and walk away. lol

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Originally Posted by RegaliaRemix

Pretty much since the update, if you had to choose between Wizard or Archer, take the Wizard. Don't question it and walk away. lol

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Let me change that to a archers are still way better

For defense that may be true but wizard's 10minute training time is still a turn off for me to even cnsoder using them on regular raids.

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Originally Posted by hogrider

there are troops no one uses. it would be nice to see them fixed to where they are used. of the thousands of times i have ben attacked, i dont recall seeing wizards. they cost too much for a troop that dies so fast. the 4 cost for space is ok but gold and time to make render this a useless troop. the balloons are simply something to look at. the new update has them exploding on the ground - but cost, space, time, and the fact that they will never get close to a defended base means they are worthless outside the entry level. healers too take up so much space and costs so much that no one higher up will ever use them. they die too easy and anyone considering them would rather just add another dragon. so the game goes back to basics and most troops are not worth using or upgrading. why not fix them to where they can be used effectively? everyone uses barbs, archers, gobs followed by pekkas and dragons later. making it pointless to even have some troops in the game. every troop should be tweaked to where they get used as much as the others. its supercell who is missing the cash opportunity here. no one is going to pay to update units not used by anyone.

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i entirely disagree wizards can be used very effectively on defense a lot of early players (level 20- 35) go through a balloon phase (including me) and one of the most effective mid-level (1300-1800 trophies) attacking stratigies uses healers

I am level 84 (normally 1300-1700) and my regular lineup includes 2-4 balloons (usually 4), 2 healers, and 0 wizards. (I used to bring a wizard to blast heroes until I realized 4 archers brings almost as much DPS and decreases my build time, and aside from mortar it is harder to kill 4 units than 1.) I am glad they gave wizards area damage but I have not used them on offense much since they did that -- perhaps it could be good at taking out castle troops in combination with a few barbs?

2 level 3 healers and 17 level 6 giants may not always be the most time or elixir efficient strategy, but I sure like it, assuming I can take out air defense (and if a base has 400k+ resources I may figure it is worth it to drop 3 lightning on a hard to reach air defense.) My healers typically survive which means my giants survive (if they stick together), which typically means my opponent is utterly doomed. Not to mention I have king & queen who are usually restored to full health by the end of the battle if I play my cards right, which helps reduce "build time" for heroes. Sometimes when 200k/200k bases are hard to find I switch to an archer/barb heavy build and only half kill bases or skim collectors and feel like a twink, but that can be great for quick little profits.

I don't mind a longer build time since I play thru the day and need to get things done, and I have kinda gotten used to it, but I definitely think the build time for balloons/wizards/healers is too long. I don't use all my balloons/healers if I don't need to. I think they should halve the time for wizards, double the elixir cost, and maybe boost it a little somehow in hp/dps. For Balloons, maybe 7 minutes and 50% cost increase. And healers seem underused so I would just try dropping them to 10 minutes and see if they don't get overused. I queue up balloons/healers before I attack to reduce the wait after my attack is done.

I don't know why people hate on balloons, aside from the build time. They fill a niche (which is a little smaller now with minions) in that two level 5 balloons can insta-kill pretty much any tower. They are great for quickly killing grid bases that slow down giants. I only build 10 gobs, so after all the towers are dead, balloons also end up mopping up storages for me a lot of the time (but minions are good for mopping up too and I started including 5 in my normal build.)

My typical build: 8 barbs, 25 archers, 10 gobs, 17 giant, 6 wb, 4 balloons, 2 healer, 5 minion.