apathy for events?

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Originally Posted by Greebie0

I don't agree that Supercell is trying to unduly influence us to buy diamonds. There's some interesting research about psychological tricks of the trade to do that:

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/Ramin...ion_Tricks.php

It seems to me that Supercell is extremely decent about it. I've been playing Hayday for many months now. In the beginning I did buy diamonds, because I was impatient and I didn't know better, but the longer I play, the less I need to. In fact, my last purchases were only to show appreciation of the diamond confirm button and I spent it on luxury items, like another slot in the netmaker and on decoration. In fact, I spend more real money on coffee to use a WiFi than to buy diamonds :rolleyes:.

I can't confirm that there are less diamonds to be found in the mine and the chests, either. I don't count, but I still find more diamonds than I spend.

I think what is regarded as undue pressure to buy diamonds is in fact just another point in the game where you have to make decisions. Neither the boats nor the truck orders work in the way that you can just fill all of them. You need to decide if it's a worthwile option and how best to spend your limited ressources. Nobody could fill all truck orders and all his own boat orders and all his friends' flagged crates. Most of us stopped filling sugar and dairy boats, for example. Town has just added another of those decision points. In the beginning, we were feeding town customers like crazy and realized, after some days, that we run out of premium products. So now, some of us hire Tom more often and some of us stop giving the townies all they want and restrict them to the cheaper food, particularly during boat events.

The boat orders during this event or the last are not necessarily harder then they were, only our ressources are already stressed by town and the influence of town on the paper. And having this current boat event right after the truck event was quite a challenge, though, no question. I, too, got rather underwhelming prizes at the last event, but this event seems fine to me (pick axes, purple and gold vouchers so far :)). Maybe, after all the presents the town customers bring, we're becoming harder to please by those prizes?

happy farming
Greebie

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thanks for posting this, its what I have been trying to say the whole time. The last time I bought diamonds was over Christmas because it was a Christmas present to myself.

Thank you for the very interesting article link! Fascinating reading! Thankfully my husband's "no spending on diamonds ever" policy is more effective than any of Supercells efforts ;) My husband plays CoC and also refuses to spend RL money there, so he isn't just being strict on me.

In all fairness to Supercell though, this is the only pay to play game I've played were it is really possible and enjoyable to play without ever spending any RL money. Their free diamond rewards from various places are extremely generous. Thank you!

In regard to the events and the perception among some of the players that they are feeling more of a pressure to spend money on diamonds, I have not really felt such pressure. (Not denying anyone's perceptions or feelings!). My boats have been a mixture of difficult, easy and moderate. If I can fill it within a reasonable time I do, if I can't, I send it away. I haven't fully expanded my town, and have no compunction to serve every greedy townie, nor do I care if they have to wait days to get their orders. I'm a hard-hearted sort, and they are after all only pixels. :). In fact, I've enjoyed the town as it added another level of time and resource management.

Are the events getting a bit stale and repetitive? Yes. But I played before events even existed, and getting added prizes for something I'm already doing is ok by me :) and I'm sure the clever minds at Supercell have more up their sleeves to keep us interested.

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Originally Posted by betantx

I agree.

This game allows you to progress without needing to buy a single diamond. Also, not all games in which the players can use real money have a user setting to avoid (most) unwanted expenses.

I used to play another casual-farming game (now long uninstalled) that seemed very nice. The mechanics were similar to HD and most farming games (plant, harvest, tend animals, produce items with machines) but after the few first levels there were recurring random events that blocked one of your machines. You couldn't queue more products nor pick up the ones already made! So you had the choice to use a limited resource (which replenished with time) to unblock the machine, or wait, sometimes for hours, until another random event blocked another machine. Your third option was to make a special product (the machine for that was not free) made with rare materials to recover control of your machine.

And the worst thing is that there was an ingredient that could only be obtained as a prize after unblocking a machine using the third option. The prize was also random, so you wouldn't necessarily get the ingredient every time. And, the rare materials weren't easily obtained: you needed a Tom equivalent (which, by the way, had no free trial). That game also offered the "option" to use diamonds to assist you during this painfully process...

That game is an example of unduly influence to buy diamonds (or money game to use same the term from the article from Gamasutra).

Hay Day is (and I hope that remains) a skill game.

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I think I know what game you're talking about. I liked it because it was pretty much a carbon copy of Hay Day, but that event was the most frustrating and useless event I've encountered in a farm game. The resources to cage it were too rare and using an energy system where you had to waste some on it if you didnt have the resources was just incredibly irritating. And even when you caught it, its still came back. I hated having to delete it, because I liked some of the things it did differently from Hay Day, but that was the deal breaker. I wasn't going to spend on that.

I agree that Hay Day is much less pushy on its in app purchases. I always make more diamonds than I spend and as long as im patient and resourceful enough, i dont need to spend them too often other than on slot expansion and occasionally on Tom. I do feel like we actually use skill on Hay Day.

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Originally Posted by Jeri

Thankfully my husband's "no spending on diamonds ever" policy is more effective than any of Supercells efforts ;) My husband plays CoC and also refuses to spend RL money there, so he isn't just being strict on me.

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May I ask why?

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In all fairness to Supercell though, this is the only pay to play game I've played were it is really possible and enjoyable to play without ever spending any RL money.

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Same. Although, I have no issue tossing a bit of money at a game, especially ones well made that I enjoy such as Hay Day. I feel a bit guilty if I don't, actually.

Having said that, I don't like the way Hay Day goes about it. The removal of ads once you buy their introductory diamond offer bothers me. The fact that the initial offer seems to be one time only so it feels like a false lure and one that ends up screwing you since you'll no longer gets ads. I should not feel screwed after making a purchase! I've yet to see another 60-80% off deal on any diamond package past the first offer. Likewise, I've yet to receive a sale offer on any package but the 570 one, which is more than I'm willing to spend/buy in a single purchase.

Looks like at this rate we're not gonna make it for this event either. Lol SC when will you finally realize that it is because of the lack of innovation and appeal that the events failed and not because of time shortage... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by express01

Looks like at this rate we're not gonna make it for this event either. Lol SC when will you finally realize that it is because of the lack of innovation and appeal that the events failed and not because of time shortage... :rolleyes:

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It certainly looks to be tight for hitting the target. I think people are much more inclined to send their boats away now. I know I've sent most of mine away empty since the event started so you can blame me.:)

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Originally Posted by Madge

It certainly looks to be tight for hitting the target. I think people are much more inclined to send their boats away now. I know I've sent most of mine away empty since the event started so you can blame me.:)

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Lol, I've finished my 15 boats and guess what, my final reward was 5 sticks dynamite. No voucher at all. I wouldn't be surpirsed at all if this turns out to be another failed event. :rolleyes:

yeah...

I have recently just filled my 10 boat. Prize? 2x planks. They are welcomed since I rarely get 'em, but... really? 2x planks? I would be happier if it were like 3 or 5, but, 2? it's... not worth so much effort. Also, boat orders are way too much out of sync with voucher for filling the boat, I just got another green voucher. I have 284 of 'em. I would even prefer blue ... and the next boat shall be sent away, as it is asking for cream cake, cheesecake and goat cheese.

I need another dairy for that. Right... I only can have one... away the boat goes.

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Originally Posted by Greebie0

I don't agree that Supercell is trying to unduly influence us to buy diamonds. There's some interesting research about psychological tricks of the trade to do that:

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/Ramin...ion_Tricks.php

It seems to me that Supercell is extremely decent about it. I've been playing Hayday for many months now. In the beginning I did buy diamonds, because I was impatient and I didn't know better, but the longer I play, the less I need to. In fact, my last purchases were only to show appreciation of the diamond confirm button and I spent it on luxury items, like another slot in the netmaker and on decoration. In fact, I spend more real money on coffee to use a WiFi than to buy diamonds :rolleyes:.

I can't confirm that there are less diamonds to be found in the mine and the chests, either. I don't count, but I still find more diamonds than I spend.

I think what is regarded as undue pressure to buy diamonds is in fact just another point in the game where you have to make decisions. Neither the boats nor the truck orders work in the way that you can just fill all of them. You need to decide if it's a worthwile option and how best to spend your limited ressources. Nobody could fill all truck orders and all his own boat orders and all his friends' flagged crates. Most of us stopped filling sugar and dairy boats, for example. Town has just added another of those decision points. In the beginning, we were feeding town customers like crazy and realized, after some days, that we run out of premium products. So now, some of us hire Tom more often and some of us stop giving the townies all they want and restrict them to the cheaper food, particularly during boat events.

The boat orders during this event or the last are not necessarily harder then they were, only our ressources are already stressed by town and the influence of town on the paper. And having this current boat event right after the truck event was quite a challenge, though, no question. I, too, got rather underwhelming prizes at the last event, but this event seems fine to me (pick axes, purple and gold vouchers so far :)). Maybe, after all the presents the town customers bring, we're becoming harder to please by those prizes?

happy farming
Greebie

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Great summing up Greebie���� I have not purchased diamonds but that is my choice.

I think I noticed that the boat orders were a little easier between these last two boat events. I mean less goat cheeses needed for a goat cheese order, for example, the amount of items per order. Or is that my imagination or just luck? I was trying to notice, however, so I think I am right.

Having said that, I don't mind a slight raise in difficulty for events, and I like boats so I never mind a boat event and prizes are not my main motivator. But! Yes, the prizes can be a little underwhelming and if I didn't like boats I might not be tempted by those dynamites, so I see that point. :) I just don't know what would tempt people. Last boat event I got all dynamitestandard of rewards, but this time I've received two gold vouchers which made it feel more special. One event (fishing, I think) gave me a series of gold vouchers and I was very happy. But even they might not be fun for everyone.

Maybe if the end personal reward (15 boats) was something simple but exclusive, a small decoration, like a flag or flower for the farm or town, or simply a trophy for a trophy book?? I don't know. I like the diamond reward for a global win and although some people aren't so impressed, I am obviously easier to wow,lol! I really want that global reward.

And dare I say it, maybe some of us (not me, cos I am perfect and everything) are getting a little over petulant and not getting into the community spirit enough -- it feels quite good to win something collectively! So what if you have to ignore the town for a few days? :)

I confess to petulance over the last trucking event - I filled three orders. No global win or personal achievements to motivate me there. So I know we all have our preferences and I don't mean to criticise, just to say: come on, cheer up, it might be fun to try a bit harder!! Give us a B, give us an O, give us an A, give us a T! What have we got? Goooooooooo BOAT! Hold on, I've run out of wine, brb.