TH Protection Incentives - currently flawed

In short - with today's rules - THE ONLY PLACE TH SHOULD RESIDE IS OUTSIDE BASE UNPROTECTED

There's almost ZERO positive incentive to place TH in center of base and to protect it. In fact, it costs players resources to do so. A nice discussion with more details here: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...nses-Game-flaw

War is the obvious place where you need to, and I love the addition to the game, but what about non-war?

So - this needs to change. Top ideas are:

• Best suggestion is to have the TH hold a good percentage of a players loot - penalizing that strategy
• Defense win bonuses - careful - going to be a lot of creative traps coming with this!

Other ideas?

100% agree with this. I like the TH containing resources idea.

Another idea is to have a penalty to loot if the attacker fails to get 1 star. That way any base that successfully protects their TH has their resources even more protected.

Be careful though, expect the forum whiners to start crawling out of the woodwork starting......NOW!!

You have to realize, when you have max resources, this is the ONLY source of protecting it, until you have a builder free, and even then, people attack and take your loot.

go play the game in master -champions league for a few months and you will understand.

I like the idea.

Something I do to farmers: Easily take out their TH for guaranteed trophies, then bust through defenses with remaining troops to get a lot of their loot. Most of the time I end up with two stars, and doubling my losses. So farming doesn't always work. I do like the idea though.

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Originally Posted by Phyxios

You have to realize, when you have max resources, this is the ONLY source of protecting it, until you have a builder free, and even then, people attack and take your loot.

go play the game in master -champions league for a few months and you will understand.

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Uhhh.. go read the attached thread. I'll hit champs this weekend and understand the game completely.. Perhaps you need to relook at things. Having TH inside base is a sure way to lose a lot more of that loot even in this one extreme scenario. Keeping it outside saves it. It's all in the numbers.
- TH out - get sniped 90+% of the time, lose no loot
- TH inside - get wiped, lose a good amount of loot best case. Worst case, get hit 3-4 times and lose even more.

No brainer to most of us. If you want to save loot, get the free shield with a TH snipe.

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Originally Posted by BeerMonkeee

Uhhh.. go read the attached thread. I'll hit champs this weekend and understand the game completely.. Perhaps you need to relook at things. Having TH inside base is a sure way to lose a lot more of that loot even in this one extreme scenario. Keeping it outside saves it. It's all in the numbers.
- TH out - get sniped 90+% of the time, lose no loot
- TH inside - get wiped, lose a good amount of loot best case. Worst case, get hit 3-4 times and lose even more.

No brainer to most of us. If you want to save loot, get the free shield with a TH snipe.

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To save everyone some time reading that thread, his defense setup is so bad that as a near-maxed th 10 he can't win a defense in masters. Also, as a th 10 that has spent a significant amount of time in masters, that 90% figure is pure ♥♥ and a decent setup will win about half of the time on defense and almost always prevent 2 stars.

Punishments are not incentives. Making the TH store more loot is a punishment for leaving it out. Not an incentive for leaving it in. Punishments are not fun. Incentives are fun.

Here's an example of a TH protection incentive:
Make collectors produce more loot per second at higher trophy levels. For example have the amount start to increase in gold league, and by champion league have collectors producing double their current outputs.

Do a similar type of thing with troop and spell build times.

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Originally Posted by MrScribbler

To save everyone some time reading that thread, his defense setup is so bad that as a near-maxed th 10 he can't win a defense in masters. Also, as a th 10 that has spent a significant amount of time in masters, that 90% figure is pure ♥♥ and a decent setup will win about half of the time on defense and almost always prevent 2 stars.

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This is painful when logic doesn't seem to work for some people. I'll try to break it down again:

• 90% you say is pure ♥♥ even though it's straight from my logs. Others please try and post and we can make a bigger sample set.

Let's say it's wrong and I'm way off.. Fine, let's say it's 50% as you state.. Then to protect loot:

• TH Outside: 50% of time - TH snipe, no loot lost. 50% of time wiped, lose max loot say 500K. Expected loss 250K.
• vs. TH Inside: 50% of time - Lost max loot as above - 500K. Or win, but lost some loot, say 1/4, 125K + re-arming. Then you still have no shield and have to defend again.. so again 125K + more potential re-arming. And this could continue until eventually you are wiped.

So - can you do expected savings and loss? To save loot.. you still believe TH inside is the best approach?

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Originally Posted by BeerMonkeee

Uhhh.. go read the attached thread. I'll hit champs this weekend and understand the game completely.. Perhaps you need to relook at things. Having TH inside base is a sure way to lose a lot more of that loot even in this one extreme scenario. Keeping it outside saves it. It's all in the numbers.
- TH out - get sniped 90+% of the time, lose no loot
- TH inside - get wiped, lose a good amount of loot best case. Worst case, get hit 3-4 times and lose even more.

No brainer to most of us. If you want to save loot, get the free shield with a TH snipe.

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maybe I read the thread wrong, but is this one not about putting loot inside the town hall (more) ?

this is not a benefit, to anyone except the TH Sniper, and honestly. the TH Sniper, gets easy cheap trophies, they don't deserve loot if they are going to do no skill trophy farming.

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Originally Posted by BeerMonkeee

This is painful when logic doesn't seem to work for some people. I'll try to break it down again:

• 90% you say is pure ♥♥ even though it's straight from my logs. Others please try and post and we can make a bigger sample set.

Let's say it's wrong and I'm way off.. Fine, let's say it's 50% as you state.. Then to protect loot:

• TH Outside: 50% of time - TH snipe, no loot lost. 50% of time wiped, lose max loot say 500K. Expected loss 250K.
• vs. TH Inside: 50% of time - Lost max loot as above - 500K. Or win, but lost some loot, say 1/4, 125K + re-arming. Then you still have no shield and have to defend again.. so again 125K + more potential re-arming. And this could continue until eventually you are wiped.

So - can you do expected savings and loss? To save loot.. you still believe TH inside is the best approach?

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Ok, so I'm not sure how long you've been in masters, but the attacking, while pretty bad, is almost never bad enough to have 2 attackers in a row fail to get 40% on my base. And here's what you're missing about keeping my th inside: I don't get attacked very often, maybe 1/5 times I log off. So yes, I lose about 200k of each when I'm attacked with my th inside, but it only happens once out of every 5 times I log off. With my th outside, I get a real attack on me (for the same amount lost) about 2.5/5 times I log off. That's so much worse that it's an easy decision.