Why ever protect TH? Why penalize for successful defenses? Game flaw

I've now pretty much gone through the game where I'm about to reach Champion league and am finishing last few defense / town upgrades. At this point, I've tried and experimented with most combinations of attack units as well as town layouts.

One conclusion I have and give as advice to all others is this: For standard setup, the TH should be outside the base unprotected. Period.

Why would anyone put TH in center of base?
- TH outside of base is a chance at a free 12hr shield saving collector loot - essentially costs only a few trophies
- Save trophies - lose only 1 star, which you can make back with a single attack next time on. Do multiple attacks in a row and you come out ahead. This is the strategy me and many others used to go up to champs
- Save loot - the best way to save your loot is to make sure a single attack gives you shield. Making sure TH is destroyed is the easiest way - and with all the barchers, with TH outside, guaranteed storages in center of base are safe
- Worst scenario in the game is when you have numerous attacks on your base each taking loot, but failing to set shield, leaving your cc troop less, heroes dead, and defenses depleted, opens the door for an even bigger attack to center dark storage..

In conclusion - I can't think of a single reason why in the non-war setup anyone would ever place the TH in the center of town. Now if somehow everyone was smart, and everyone placed TH on outside, there's no more strategy as you could just bounce from TH hit to TH hit and profit from win bonuses, which is the new trend.. This is a flaw with current incentives.

So, the bonuses need to change. Players should be rewarded (with loot) for successful defenses, not penalized as they currently are.

I don't know how anyone could disagree with any of this.

Yes, I always wonder why I see people with the TH inside the middle of the base. Just pointless unless you are at the end game already.

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Yes, I always wonder why I see people with the TH inside the middle of the base. Just pointless unless you are at the end game already.

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I just finished maxing out my TH8, and I've noticed that most TH7s keep their TH centered (not true for TH8s). I feel like people start to figure out the game at TH8!

I am only TH 7 and this thought has occured to me several times.

In standard play why not? It makes total sense to let someone do a quick 1 star. Except for those times when someone want to get your loot. Then they one star you AND thrash your outer ring anyway.

I am actually planning to keep TH outside once I hit TH8 no matter what. It will be standard for my regular game play.

Now in war... different game totally. TH must be protected! lol

In my experience, now just under a month into TH 8, I have had zero success with placing my TH in the open. When I have excess loot a bigger badder player with maxed troops will hit my resources hard. I have not had luck with a sniper taking down my TH first ignoring the loot. So because of that I like the hybrid base setups.

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Originally Posted by bouges

In my experience, now just under a month into TH 8, I have had zero success with placing my TH in the open. When I have excess loot a bigger badder player with maxed troops will hit my resources hard. I have not had luck with a sniper taking down my TH first ignoring the loot. So because of that I like the hybrid base setups.

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I guarantee that if you leave your TH outside that you will get sniped (saving your loot) more often than if you put your TH on the inside and just hoped that your defenses save your loot.

His point is that it's basically idiotic to put your TH on the inside thus allowing yourself to lose a ton of loot in order to get a shield, and even IF you're able to defend chances are that during that defend that you lost some of your loot and now someone else can come along and steal MORE loot because you don't have a shield from the first time you got attacked.

Everyone should put their TH outside ALL of the time unless you are in a clan that is trophy pushing and trying to get top 200 or something.

If you don't you are going to lose a LOT more loot. Which, if you're not pushing, is the most important thing.

As i was typing this I got sniped, saving 300k of both gold and elixir.

As a th 10 farming in master 2, there are tons of reasons to keep my th inside. The most obvious one is trophies, which to many is the whole point of the game. My base is good enough to win defenses, which helps me keep my trophies up when farming if I string a few bad attacks together, and obviously helps me when pushing. Furthermore, when I'm below 2850, I can log off between attacks (40 minutes, give or take) with my th inside and not get touched.

Putting your th outside has its disadvantages too. The most crucial one is that it does not prevent other people from continuing their attack. Someone who uses GoWiWi or GoWiPe will probably take the 1-star, but balloonion or barch users may well try to get 2. In addition, farmers may try to go for the center and the storages, having already locked up the league bonus with the town hall. Of course, it also hurts your trophies, as there's no guarantee that you will first be found by someone in Champ and only lose 1 trophy as opposed to 10 or 11. Thus, while putting your th outside is often the correct thing to do, it's not always a good idea.

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In my experience, now just under a month into TH 8, I have had zero success with placing my TH in the open. When I have excess loot a bigger badder player with maxed troops will hit my resources hard. I have not had luck with a sniper taking down my TH first ignoring the loot. So because of that I like the hybrid base setups.

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If the bigger badder player is going to hit your base, you are going to lose your loot anyways - it doesn't matter where TH is. By having TH on the outside, you have a chance of a weak player giving you shield before the big bad wolf has a chance at you, or maybe convince him to just hit TH and move on. It's a pure benefit.. The hybrid base doesn't help in any scenario here.

yea. makes no sense to me. if someone is pushing, they will either 50% or 2 star you and take your loot. people who have their town hall in the middle probably don't understand the game or maybe they dont know what farming is. if you aren't max, you should be farming unless your clan tells you have to push or give you the option to push with them

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As a th 10 farming in master 2, there are tons of reasons to keep my th inside. The most obvious one is trophies, which to many is the whole point of the game. My base is good enough to win defenses, which helps me keep my trophies up when farming if I string a few bad attacks together, and obviously helps me when pushing. Furthermore, when I'm below 2850, I can log off between attacks (40 minutes, give or take) with my th inside and not get touched.

Putting your th outside has its disadvantages too. The most crucial one is that it does not prevent other people from continuing their attack. Someone who uses GoWiWi or GoWiPe will probably take the 1-star, but balloonion or barch users may well try to get 2. In addition, farmers may try to go for the center and the storages, having already locked up the league bonus with the town hall. Of course, it also hurts your trophies, as there's no guarantee that you will first be found by someone in Champ and only lose 1 trophy as opposed to 10 or 11. Thus, while putting your th outside is often the correct thing to do, it's not always a good idea.

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If you're trophy pushing you're impeding you'r ability to get loot therefore impeding your progress in the overall game. The point of the game to most people is actually to progress their base. Not spend all their loot and gems pushing to champ.

I bet if you actually tested it you would get sniped within minutes of logging off in Masters and whoever sniped you wouldn't have gone for a 2nd trophy, I would wager that that happening is actually less often than your current base getting gowiwi'd or gowipe'd for 2 trohpies. Also you need to consider the fact that you can easily make a base where your TH is outside but you don't have 50% of your base outside as well, therefore making it a lot harder for a barcher to get 2 stars.

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Putting your th outside has its disadvantages too. The most crucial one is that it does not prevent other people from continuing their attack. Someone who uses GoWiWi or GoWiPe will probably take the 1-star, but balloonion or barch users may well try to get 2. In addition, farmers may try to go for the center and the storages, having already locked up the league bonus with the town hall.

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This does happen occasionally, but using this argument is similar to saying that you shouldn't wear your seatbelt b/c you might drive off a bridge and into the river and you could get tangled up in it and drown.

Nine times out of ten (or more) I get a basic snipe within 20 minutes of logging off and have a shield until I am ready to raid again.

Aside from how it might upset some players woh leave their TH out for easy shields, is there is reason SuperCell didn't make the Th hold more resource as it levels up? This would make the game feel less about farming to get as much resource as possible and more to design good bases and have fun with the defense

Th outside - easier 2 stars for troohey pushung players thx

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If you're trophy pushing you're impeding you'r ability to get loot therefore impeding your progress in the overall game. The point of the game to most people is actually to progress their base. Not spend all their loot and gems pushing to champ.

I bet if you actually tested it you would get sniped within minutes of logging off in Masters and whoever sniped you wouldn't have gone for a 2nd trophy, I would wager that that happening is actually less often than your current base getting gowiwi'd or gowipe'd for 2 trohpies. Also you need to consider the fact that you can easily make a base where your TH is outside but you don't have 50% of your base outside as well, therefore making it a lot harder for a barcher to get 2 stars.

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I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were a game developer? What's that? You're not? Oh, then maybe you should stop making wild declarations about what the point of the game is to "most people." Also, since you're trophy record is crystal 3, I can enlighten you on many things that you have absolutely no experience with: first off, pushing to Champ for a halfway decent player actually gets you more gems, since you spend way less than 2000 on the way up. You also are positive on gold, and, depending on your army comp, gain de too on the way up.

As it happens, I have tested putting my th outside in masters, several times. I don't have exact numbers, but it's about 50/50 on whether I just get sniped or get a real attack. For example, the most recent attack on me wit my th outside was a full-on GoWiPe from a Champ at 3600 trophies, who, even though he/she only got 38%, cost me 100k/300/1k in lost lost/rearm costs. Also, the last time I got 2-starred with my th inside? I don't know, since my defense log only goes back 10 days and it hasn't happened within that span.

Finally, I don't know what's up with the ridiculous assumption that all the attacks on me in masters 2 are from Champs, but they're not. 1-star losses for me are generally 4-11 trophies, just like any normal player, so attackers have a strong incentive to try and pick up another star, especially if they're trophy pushing.

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This does happen occasionally, but using this argument is similar to saying that you shouldn't wear your seatbelt b/c you might drive off a bridge and into the river and you could get tangled up in it and drown.

Nine times out of ten (or more) I get a basic snipe within 20 minutes of logging off and have a shield until I am ready to raid again.

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No, my argument is that it's safer not to drive your car (keep my th inside and not get attacked) than drive with a seatbelt (put my th outside). And I don't know where you're farming, but it sure as hell isn't master 2, as you can see from my reply to the earlier post.

I struggle with this too...it seems like with my Town Hall exposed they do hit it quick and as long as I have less than a million gold or elixir that is it. If I have more they hit it and then my resources, but I guess I get a shield so only one attack....

Also, seems like town hall sniping goes down as you increase in trophies. The lower I am the better it works, but at about 2000 trophies it seems people will snipe the townhall and go for the 50% as well...


The best scenario is a 40% win with a shield, which I have gotten a few times with my town hall protected...

I would say that in general if you leave your townhall in the people that attack with be bigger and badder...

My current strategy is if I'm offline for short time I keep it protected to lower chance of attack. When I go for a long time I expose it hoping for the shield...

I never placed my town hall inside my village. Well, honestly I did when I was level 4-5 and I didn't know the game well as I do now. But right now my clan is pushing trophies and this is the first time I place my town hall in the very center of my layout... with 2 overflowing elixir storages on the edges of the map. Almost 100 cups each night while sleeping. This is in my opinion the only scenario where a town hall inside is helpful.

You do realize smart BAM / Barchers will snipe the TH and then go all in on a segment of the base? Typically the results in a compartment loss 2 layers deep and 1-2 stores being destroyed.

A proper hybrid base prevents this, as the barber will encircle the base hit 50% on a 1 star but not have enough troops left to penetrate a concentrated area

Putting the th outside also allow the attacker to attempt 2 star/hit a segment of your storage because they already won anyway and have no risk doing so. But then that doesnt happen much until people start caring about trophies.

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I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were a game developer? What's that? You're not? Oh, then maybe you should stop making wild declarations about what the point of the game is to "most people." Also, since you're trophy record is crystal 3, I can enlighten you on many things that you have absolutely no experience with: first off, pushing to Champ for a halfway decent player actually gets you more gems, since you spend way less than 2000 on the way up. You also are positive on gold, and, depending on your army comp, gain de too on the way up.

As it happens, I have tested putting my th outside in masters, several times. I don't have exact numbers, but it's about 50/50 on whether I just get sniped or get a real attack. For example, the most recent attack on me wit my th outside was a full-on GoWiPe from a Champ at 3600 trophies, who, even though he/she only got 38%, cost me 100k/300/1k in lost lost/rearm costs. Also, the last time I got 2-starred with my th inside? I don't know, since my defense log only goes back 10 days and it hasn't happened within that span.

Finally, I don't know what's up with the ridiculous assumption that all the attacks on me in masters 2 are from Champs, but they're not. 1-star losses for me are generally 4-11 trophies, just like any normal player, so attackers have a strong incentive to try and pick up another star, especially if they're trophy pushing.


No, my argument is that it's safer not to drive your car (keep my th inside and not get attacked) than drive with a seatbelt (put my th outside). And I don't know where you're farming, but it sure as hell isn't master 2, as you can see from my reply to the earlier post.

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OP makes assumptions when he doesn't seem to know how gameplay is like above Masters.
I totally understand you. Farmers aren't as common in Masters than Crystal or gold. Trophy pushers usually don't lose, so no incentive to put TH outside.

I got a question though. Farming in Masters, what TH are you and do you win? I'm considering farming in Masters late TH9 but idk if I should put TH in or out. Because irregardless I can't defend against other TH10s + farming for 2 hours straight will net me more than what I lose.

And to OP. You farm resources to end up pushing in trophies. Trophies is always the final goal.

Good points on both sides here -

As TH9 I certainly benefited greatly from keeping my TH outside, while pushing to Masters. Somewhere around 2700+, it started to get smashed regardless. In fact my alt account is TH9 and has been mucking around in C1 for weeks now (around 2450), and gets a TH snipe about 80% of the time, sometimes even if I've forgotten to empty collectors for over 12 hours and it's offering great loot.

My TH10 is around 2800+, and usually has TH inside, for a couple of reasons - firstly, as noted earlier you can usually go an hour or two logged off, with your TH inside, and not get attacked, which is awesome if you are farming during the day (e.g. off and on while at work). If I left my TH outside all the time, I'd be attacked very quickly, and potentially lose loot as well as trophies. Now, I used to pop the TH outside overnight, once I hit 4m gold, but lately I do not bother, for a bunch of reasons: ego, to test my layout e.g. test a new clan wars layout, and also because I'm getting so close to maxed out that losing a few resources is not really a big deal.

As far as pushing to Champs goes, well I'll be doing that pretty soon, and it is quite tempting to do so with TH outside, especially if I start before my final defense upgrades are finished (hanging around 2800 with 2 xbows and an air defense upgrading, and TH inside, I lose pretty much every serious attack on me, especially as almost every attacker throws 5 spells and heroes down to secure a win).

Bear in mind that actually most people in M3 are farming, and loads of people in M2 are farming. I just figure that with my TH inside, most of those farmers skip my base, which leaves only the hard-core attacking me...

As a pure archer farmer I go for the collectors and I usually don't care about stars. But if the opportunity presents itself, I'll take out the TH and grab the loot as well.

On the flip side, I leave my TH on the outside. More often than not, I get hit by a TH sniper.

Recently I pushed to 3035 and promptly got fed up when my hard earned loot was getting hit (my elixir mostly) for more than I was making over and over.

What I learned was above 2900 trophies SOMEONE will spank your base. My base held up real good and often held off attacks for 1 star. But these attacks bled my elixir regardless. Between actual losses and rearming things I loss massive amounts of elixir (which I was struggling to break even in making)

So now that I went back to 2860 after dropping below 2800 to make some purple liquid - I've placed my th outside in hopes of a snipe because protecting my th is like punishment even if I'm dumping everything into walls.

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OP makes assumptions when he doesn't seem to know how gameplay is like above Masters.
I totally understand you. Farmers aren't as common in Masters than Crystal or gold. Trophy pushers usually don't lose, so no incentive to put TH outside.

I got a question though. Farming in Masters, what TH are you and do you win? I'm considering farming in Masters late TH9 but idk if I should put TH in or out. Because irregardless I can't defend against other TH10s + farming for 2 hours straight will net me more than what I lose.

And to OP. You farm resources to end up pushing in trophies. Trophies is always the final goal.

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I'm a th 10 with maxed def, so I win about half of my defenses (the lost ones are almost exclusively 50%s that don't take very much loot). At th 9, you're probably going to get pounded if you keep your th inside, so you probably should keep your loot down with your th outside or stay out of masters until th 10. The other alternative is to stay online for a while at once, which I don't enjoy but would work if you're willing.

Build a better hybrid base.

th out makes no difference,im th 9 with both heroes at level 10 in gold 1.i can assure you as long as you got 1500+ de you will get a full attacks.i started putting my th inside when i noticed that even th8 guys go for my th and one storage.when my de is low regardless of my gold is when only get th sniped.the key in gold leagues is to use your de asap as most people dont want to face level 2 xbows and level 7 WT for only gold and elixir.i also dish out full attacks on someone with th outside if they offer 1500+ de regardless of how much gold/elixir they have

Because then TH2s will be in champs.

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th out makes no difference,im th 9 with both heroes at level 10 in gold 1.i can assure you as long as you got 1500+ de you will get a full attacks.i started putting my th inside when i noticed that even th8 guys go for my th and one storage.when my de is low regardless of my gold is when only get th sniped.the key in gold leagues is to use your de asap as most people dont want to face level 2 xbows and level 7 WT for only gold and elixir.i also dish out full attacks on someone with th outside if they offer 1500+ de regardless of how much gold/elixir they have

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I'll just zap your DE like a man.

My TH9 hang around Gold I - III range, at a far away corner decorated by flower beds and flags.
Since TH8 days, once my defenses offer 300k loot each, or DE >500 , I have a 50-50 chance of being sniped or full attack by TH8-TH10.
Latest is few hours ago, I lost 250k each by a TH9.
Yesterday was a lucky TH sniped by a max TH9, which is very capable of clearing me. After snipe my TH in around 1 minute, he spends the next 2 minutes browsing and probably undecided to attack or not.
I still need to wait another 24 hours before the next builder is available with 4M+ in gold and increasing (will keep attacking to collect more loot later). DE at 25k now

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I just finished maxing out my TH8, and I've noticed that most TH7s keep their TH centered (not true for TH8s). I feel like people start to figure out the game at TH8!

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Thats what I thought when I pushed to Crystal as a TH7

I'm not sure I've seen any real compelling argument to put TH inside just yet.. Top ones were:

• Some barch hits would continue attack to a segment as it's essentially free. I guess this could be true in theory.. I haven't seen this happen to me yet, but this could be dependent on the base setup where even a layer or two deep isn't going to get much resources.. Their time for attacker would be better spent finding another base.
• Going to get 2 starred more by big hitters - probably true, I've given up the one star for free and 50% is going to happen if people go all out. The tradeoff is what percentage of those big hits would have 2 starred anyway vs. being avoided completely by the snipe.

I'm a numbers guy, so we can calculate the pros/cons quantitatively. So, here's my stats - in Masters 1, and I am trophy pushing to Champs (only reason to be here honestly). 29: 1 star snipes. 22 of those for 3 trophy loss or less. 6: 2 stars against me (2 while TH outside, and those hits big enough 2 star happens also). I fiddled with TH inside to gain trophies during push, but I haven't won a single defense in weeks. I know you flamers want to think my base isn't set up well, but please think again (pic below - if you think you spot a huge weakness, let me know).

Based on the numbers sofar, no way those two scenarios outweigh the costs. If others want to start adding in their data, we can actually build a larger more meaningful sample set.

But - at the end of the day, this is flawed. I like the suggestion that TH holds more resources to start preventing this.. Anything else? How can we make a change?

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Agreed. Only reason I put mine inside, is at the start of a push. Once I'm in a league that I can't successfully defend (consistently), it goes outside. It is nice jumping up 50-100 cups at night when you start pushing from like gold 3/2. I'm giving my TH away once I reach mid crystal though (mid level th9).

Oh, and I'll put it inside if I'm low on loot and trying to gain trophies from attacking, that way I have time to cook a strong army before I get raided. I hate breaking a shield between each raid... Back outside when I'm done raiding.

Ok, here is my log with my townhall inside and the approximately conditions: I am TH8....not maxed, about 70 skull walls...

League / Gold Lost / Elixer Lost / Dark Elixir Lost / Trophy Change / comment
Crystal 2 / 16k / 13k / 84 / +25 /41% / shield, awesome
Gold / 145k / 273k / 381 / -30 /100% / I hate L6 giants....
Gold / 30k / 102k / 0 / +10 /43% / shield, awesome
Gold / 150k / 188 / 1 / -4 /51% / TH9 BARCH
Gold / 120k / 151k / 108 / -37 /100% / Angry TH10 revenge attack with 10 L4 dragons
Gold / 142k / 272k / 112 / -15 /100% / TH9 well executed attack
Gold / 47k / 163k / 72 / -6 / 51% / TH9 attack that should have 100% me


So, out of 7 I had 2 wins to gain 35 trophies and 5 loses for total lose of 604k gold, 859k elixir, 674 de, and I lost 92 trophies. This is over 4 days...

I think league is important, here in Crystal I plan to expose TH...mainly because a revenge attack from someone I beat in Gold will cost me 60 trophies...hoping someone will gobble me up before they get me!

I would also add that during this time period I wasn't trying to accomplish anything (all builders going, lab busy, etc...), I was just having fun. I didn't want to get sniped...if I lost, I wanted to see an epic attack. Sometimes that is a reason to put your townhall inside...just getting sniped is kind of boring...

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I'm not sure I've seen any real compelling argument to put TH inside just yet.. Top ones were:

• Some barch hits would continue attack to a segment as it's essentially free. I guess this could be true in theory.. I haven't seen this happen to me yet, but this could be dependent on the base setup where even a layer or two deep isn't going to get much resources.. Their time for attacker would be better spent finding another base.
• Going to get 2 starred more by big hitters - probably true, I've given up the one star for free and 50% is going to happen if people go all out. The tradeoff is what percentage of those big hits would have 2 starred anyway vs. being avoided completely by the snipe.

I'm a numbers guy, so we can calculate the pros/cons quantitatively. So, here's my stats - in Masters 1, and I am trophy pushing to Champs (only reason to be here honestly). 29: 1 star snipes. 22 of those for 3 trophy loss or less. 6: 2 stars against me (2 while TH outside, and those hits big enough 2 star happens also). I fiddled with TH inside to gain trophies during push, but I haven't won a single defense in weeks. I know you flamers want to think my base isn't set up well, but please think again (pic below - if you think you spot a huge weakness, let me know).

Based on the numbers sofar, no way those two scenarios outweigh the costs. If others want to start adding in their data, we can actually build a larger more meaningful sample set.

But - at the end of the day, this is flawed. I like the suggestion that TH holds more resources to start preventing this.. Anything else? How can we make a change?

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First off, it's not just barchers that will go for the center. Balloonion is more common up here, and I've had a lot of those that would usually just 1-star attempt to go for loot. As for your base, you certainly could be winning defenses, but you have plenty of huge weaknesses. Chief among them is the fact that you have 4 upgrading defenses. Other major problems include your absolutely horrible wall intersections, your boring design that has almost nothing unexpected, and the fact that both your infernos are set to multi. I'm no expert base designer, but fix those problems and you may change your mind about th placement.

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I don't know how anyone could disagree with any of this.

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I've never agreed more with someone

There are actually some fairly decent points being made by people about why to keep TH inside. However, you are high level players with very specific reasons to do this. The thing that has always shocked me is that 90% or so of players in lower trophy ranges (where the vast majority of players sit) keep their THs inside. This just blows my mind. The only reason I can think of for them to all do this is that SC puts that little message on the load screen that says "make sure to keep your town hall inside to protect your trophies". They must take this to heart and never actually pay attention to how the game mechanics work. Attention to the average player: GET YOUR &#@$%& TH INSIDE YOU IDIOTS!!!

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As a th 10 farming in master 2, there are tons of reasons to keep my th inside. The most obvious one is trophies, which to many is the whole point of the game. My base is good enough to win defenses, which helps me keep my trophies up when farming if I string a few bad attacks together, and obviously helps me when pushing. Furthermore, when I'm below 2850, I can log off between attacks (40 minutes, give or take) with my th inside and not get touched.

Putting your th outside has its disadvantages too. The most crucial one is that it does not prevent other people from continuing their attack. Someone who uses GoWiWi or GoWiPe will probably take the 1-star, but balloonion or barch users may well try to get 2. In addition, farmers may try to go for the center and the storages, having already locked up the league bonus with the town hall. Of course, it also hurts your trophies, as there's no guarantee that you will first be found by someone in Champ and only lose 1 trophy as opposed to 10 or 11. Thus, while putting your th outside is often the correct thing to do, it's not always a good idea.

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This was suggested to people that don't have faith in their defenses if you think your defense is good enough, then keep it inside. Clash of clans is generally unbalanced in terms of attacking and defending, as it is not rare but uncommon for most people to win a defense. Also if you put Ruth in the middle then people will get your storages in the process of getting to your townhall if you leave it outside, then the case changes you lose less trophies and lose less loot. Keeping the th in the inside means that you trust your defenses enough to protect your th as well as the loot, and i know for a fact that most people have little faith in their defenses, including me

Agreed. SC needs to look into this area imo.

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Agreed. SC needs to look into this area imo.

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Made a thread in the improvement / suggestion forum: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...rrently-flawed. Please support any change recommendations there as it will have a better chance at being spotted.

Also, while I appreciate feedback on my base setup.. but please let it be valuable. Saying it doesn't work without examples of how to exploit isn't useful. Yes, upgrading defenses.. that's obviously a snapshot, and multi/multi is probably the preferred settings to defend against most attacks. Feel free to argue in a more appropriate thread.

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Made a thread in the improvement / suggestion forum: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...rrently-flawed. Please support any change recommendations there as it will have a better chance at being spotted.

Also, while I appreciate feedback on my base setup.. but please let it be valuable. Saying it doesn't work without examples of how to exploit isn't useful. Yes, upgrading defenses.. that's obviously a snapshot, and multi/multi is probably the preferred settings to defend against most attacks. Feel free to argue in a more appropriate thread.

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How to exploit it: GoWiPe. 10 wbs and you've opened up the center, no sweat, absolutely nothing to worry about with pekkas/heroes. 70% and 2-stars are easy, a top attacker might even be able to pick up 3. I can go into more detail, but since you apparently can't even win a defense in masters, just watch your defense replays for ways to exploit it. And I don't know what game you're playing, but multi/multi is heaven for most 2-star attackers.

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How to exploit it: GoWiPe. 10 wbs and you've opened up the center, no sweat, absolutely nothing to worry about with pekkas/heroes. 70% and 2-stars are easy, a top attacker might even be able to pick up 3.

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Perfect. Show me a base that GoWiPe with above composition can't 2 star. The whole point of this thread is to avoid this completely with TH outside since defenses don't work if someone is going to go big against you.

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Originally Posted by BeerMonkeee

Perfect. Show me a base that GoWiPe with above composition can't 2 star. The whole point of this thread is to avoid this completely with TH outside since defenses don't work if someone is going to go big against you.

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Against a masters-level GoWiPer? Sure, just set your infernos to single, you don't even need to fix your awful walls (you'll get absolutely creamed by GoWiWi, but you asked for GoWiPe). Attackers in masters generally are either farming or aren't very good. Of course you can't defend against high Champ-level GoWiPers, but you don't need to, since almost all of them are in high Champ.

I agree that the league system and battle system is flawed in regards to how loot is passed out. I am about 1 month away from maxing out all my towers at TH9 and i have never been above 1900 except to get the gem bonus at masters. There is just no incentive to use base crushing armies in higher leagues when i will make 4 times more with giants and barching. Purposefully exposing your TH is just bad game design that I'm honestly baffled that it hasn't been addressed after 2 years. I can get sniped 80% of the time for a 1k loss or risk being attacked 2-3 times before getting a shield and losing 400k. You should get a league bonus (which all need to be reworked as well) for a defensive victory, and traps/towers should rearm themselves like in war.