Removing Town Hall Loot Penalty And Adding New Minimum Rank Per Town Hall

The current Loot penalty:

Town Hall Level Difference	Percentage of Loot Available
0	100%
1	90%
2	50%
3	25%
4 or more	5%

i would like to suggest the loot penalty to be removed, i know this will mean high levels can attack low levels. however if they change the trophy system slightly to prevent high levels dropping below a specific rank then i believe it would be fine.

Town Hall Level	Minimum Rank
2	200
3	300
4	400
5	500
6	6,00
7	8,00
8	1,000
9	1,200
10	1,400

So if low levels do not want to be raided by higher levels then they should remain at lower ranks. however if they do climb ranks then they should be open to higher levels. If low levels can pick on high level collectors then higher levels should also be able to pick on lower levels without any penalty.

Why is everyone hating on the leagues/higher people attacking lower!?

If you don't want to get attacked by that much of higher people, go lower in trophies, I Think the trophy system and leagues are totally fine.

This is just farming which is fine with clash of clans. part of the game i think

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Originally Posted by NuNuHeAd99

Why is everyone hating on the leagues/higher people attacking lower!?

If you don't want to get attacked by that much of higher people, go lower in trophies, I Think the trophy system and leagues are totally fine.

This is just farming which is fine with clash of clans. part of the game i think

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what iam suggesting actually helps higher levels and for low levels that hate to be raided by higher levels they can avoid it also.

This is a pretty terrible idea. The whole point of a trophy system is it abstracts relative ranking from your base. This is important because people have differing play abilities and also for a given TH, the quantity as well as level of buildings can vary wildly.

You're basically saying that lower level folks don't have the right to push for as many trophies as they can get because doing so would cost them all their resources. This would also be pretty brutal to folks who rush their THs.

When you propose changes you should ask yourself if those changes would make the game more fun for everyone.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

This is a pretty terrible idea. The whole point of a trophy system is it abstracts relative ranking from your base. This is important because people have differing play abilities and also for a given TH, the quantity as well as level of buildings can vary wildly.

You're basically saying that lower level folks don't have the right to push for as many trophies as they can get because doing so would cost them all their resources. This would also be pretty brutal to folks who rush their THs.

When you propose changes you should ask yourself if those changes would make the game more fun for everyone.

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i dont see why this would stop low levels pushing trophies. low levels that attacks high levels gains a massive amount of loot from high level collectors which they can find at higher ranks. as for higher levels they don't retaliate as they cant get anything at all from them. i believe this game should be more open allowing any TH to attack any TH, but with the penalty it highly restricts them and if players really hate higher TH attacking themselves then they can stay safe at their trophy range. if you climb ranks then their should be a risk not an easy way to the top because you have low TH.

ive created an account with absolutely no defence for fun and iam doing fine on it.

thats stupid and 1000 is easy even for a town hall 6

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Originally Posted by ChiefJoshuaCOC

thats stupid and 1000 is easy even for a town hall 6

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its not suppose to be hard

The loot penalty protects lower lvl player from getting destroyed by higher lvl players, if u want to take it out u need to propose a different solution to higher lvl players attacking lower lvl players.

low levels attack higher levels with high loot
this will then make higher levels have a harder time to find high loot bases

unless low levels gets penalised for attacking high levels, i dont see what's wrong with allowing higher levels being able to attack low levels too.

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Originally Posted by Zetris

i dont see why this would stop low levels pushing trophies. low levels that attacks high levels gains a massive amount of loot from high level collectors which they can find at higher ranks.

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Collectors pretty much max out at TH7. They also get no more loot than high level players get for attacking the same bases, so I'm not sure how your logic follows here.

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Originally Posted by Zetris

as for higher levels they don't retaliate as they cant get anything at all from them. i believe this game should be more open allowing any TH to attack any TH, but with the penalty it highly restricts them and if players really hate higher TH attacking themselves then they can stay safe at their trophy range. if you climb ranks then their should be a risk not an easy way to the top because you have low TH.

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This only makes sense if your entire view of the game is resource focused. For many, including Supercell, it is not.

Also how can you say the game should be more open by allowing any TH to attack any TH (which is something people can already do) while advocating for a system that is the exact opposite of that?

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Originally Posted by Zetris

ive created an account with absolutely no defence for fun and iam doing fine on it.

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So?

http://forum.supercell.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Zetris http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png
i dont see why this would stop low levels pushing trophies. low levels that attacks high levels gains a massive amount of loot from high level collectors which they can find at higher ranks.



Collectors pretty much max out at TH7. They also get no more loot than high level players get for attacking the same bases, so I'm not sure how your logic follows here

low level lets say TH6 can attack TH5, TH6, TH7, TH8, TH9, TH10 .
as for TH9 bases they can attack TH8, TH9, TH10 and some of those bases will have already been taken out by low levels.


http://forum.supercell.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Zetris http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png
as for higher levels they don't retaliate as they cant get anything at all from them. i believe this game should be more open allowing any TH to attack any TH, but with the penalty it highly restricts them and if players really hate higher TH attacking themselves then they can stay safe at their trophy range. if you climb ranks then their should be a risk not an easy way to the top because you have low TH.



This only makes sense if your entire view of the game is resource focused. For many, including Supercell, it is not.

Also how can you say the game should be more open by allowing any TH to attack any TH (which is something people can already do) while advocating for a system that is the exact opposite of that?

this game is highly resource focus, unless your at the very top of leagues which shouldn't even make much of difference

http://forum.supercell.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Zetris http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png
ive created an account with absolutely no defence for fun and iam doing fine on it.



So?

your own statement
You're basically saying that lower level folks don't have the right to push for as many trophies as they can get because doing so would cost them all their resources. ive been able to pushing with 0 defence and nothing is stopping me there.

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Originally Posted by Zetris

low level lets say TH6 can attack TH5, TH6, TH7, TH8, TH9, TH10 .
as for TH9 bases they can attack TH8, TH9, TH10 and some of those bases will have already been taken out by low levels.

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Anyone can attack anyone else provided they are in the same trophy range. Again you're implying that everyone in the game should be resource focused. They are not.

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Originally Posted by Zetris

this game is highly resource focus, unless your at the very top of leagues which shouldn't even make much of difference

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Wrong. Pretty much every base you see where people are protecting their TH care about trophies, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

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Originally Posted by Zetris

ive been able to pushing with 0 defence and nothing is stopping me there.

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I don't see how this relates to anything at all. You have a loot penalty protecting you. That's kind of my point. Thus even if you get 3 starred when logging off, you likely get to keep most of your resources.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Anyone can attack anyone else provided they are in the same trophy range. Again you're implying that everyone in the game should be resource focused. They are not.



Wrong. Pretty much every base you see where people are protecting their TH care about trophies, otherwise they wouldn't do it.



I don't see how this relates to anything at all. You have a loot penalty protecting you. That's kind of my point. Thus even if you get 3 starred when logging off, you likely get to keep most of your resources.

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this can is highly resource focus no matter what u say, players build to progress and you cant do anything about that.

my account has TH7, so if your TH9 you can still raid me and gain a massive amount of loot with just a few troops.

I really dislike this idea plus the system we have now works great, no need for a change

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Originally Posted by Zetris

this can is highly resource focus no matter what u say, players build to progress and you cant do anything about that.

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Fortunately I'm not trying to do anything about it. However you would have SC implement a solution which puts resource needs ahead of trophies. That's not gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Zetris

my account has TH7, so if your TH9 you can still raid me and gain a massive amount of loot with just a few troops.

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Well, if you're talking like that you can't be very high up there because otherwise you'd be talking about how many trophies I could get.

Too harsh.

I however have put up an idea in the past where the loot penalty doesn't give as much protection as you enter Crystal or higher leagues.

As I'm sick of wasting next fees on bloody TH6s to TH8s hanging around Crystal leagues. ♥♥♥♥.

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Originally Posted by gallantblade

Too harsh.

I however have put up an idea in the past where the loot penalty doesn't give as much protection as you enter Crystal or higher leagues.

As I'm sick of wasting next fees on bloody TH6s to TH8s hanging around Crystal leagues. ♥♥♥♥.

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The solution is to tie income to trophy acquisition.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The solution is to tie income to trophy acquisition.

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I like the statement, have you posted something to eleborate previously?

I tire of a system that offers lower halls far more flexilbity than higher ones.

The game effectively restricts higher halls to higher leagues to really get by. Unless you are a marathon Barch / Bam player which works in low leagues - but is mind numbing.

Yet lower halls can go anywhere as the loot penalty protects them no matter where they go. So frustrating going even up to Crystal I and having TH7 / TH8 there wasting my 1,000 skip fees.

I go there to get away from the wastes of time, yet they can climb there safely as they are not worth attacking.

#stupidsystem

Think of your typical RPG game.

As you get stronger, you are capable of moving into stronger areas [higher leagues] to fight stronger opponents [equal or higher halls].

When you enter stronger dungeons you never encounter excessively weak opponents [much lower town halls in high leagues].

The game is flawed to let this happen. 1,000 gold per next isn't cheap, especially when several are wasted on unsustainable targets in what should be, harder leagues.

Loot penalty should protect lower halls from been bullied in leagues they typically belong - but not punish higher ones in leagues when they are competing in ones they typically belong.

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Originally Posted by gallantblade

I like the statement, have you posted something to eleborate previously?

I tire of a system that offers lower halls far more flexilbity than higher ones.

The game effectively restricts higher halls to higher leagues to really get by. Unless you are a marathon Barch / Bam player which works in low leagues - but is mind numbing.

Yet lower halls can go anywhere as the loot penalty protects them no matter where they go. So frustrating going even up to Crystal I and having TH7 / TH8 there wasting my 1,000 skip fees.

I go there to get away from the wastes of time, yet they can climb there safely as they are not worth attacking.

#stupidsystem

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Oh believe me I have:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...es-progression

This is unnecessary, and confusing. There is nothing wrong with the current system to provoke such an over hall of the entire game.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Oh believe me I have:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...es-progression

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Nice thread, I believe the new loot system was introduced after that; therefore the loot bonus point is no longer relevant, however many of the others would certainily help. Particularly 3 & 5.

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Originally Posted by whammer296

This is unnecessary, and confusing. There is nothing wrong with the current system to provoke such an over hall of the entire game.

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Are you TH10?

When you waste several thousands of gold every single day skipping unsustainable targets in high leagues due to their loot penalty protection you start to wonder about such things.

I think Zetris has good intent; but is cutting far too harshly with his suggestion.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...higher-leagues

That is one I posted not that long ago, basically 'phase out' the loot penalty starting at Crystal - to complete removal at Champion.

Masters & Champion leagues in particular are the elite leagues, they should be harder - and also more rewarding. I believe phasing out the loot penalty from Crystal onwards would help achieve that.

In my opinion it is only really a relevant penalty for 0 trophies to gold leagues to stop high halls preying on the weak. But when the tables turn for the weak to linger in high leagues and remain protected - that is just total nonsense. If low halls want the reward of the much better league bonus - they should have adequate risk attached. Rather then just having TH10 pay more via skip fees.

No. Then a lvl 6 Th going into gold league would be beat up by th10s. This would be very imbalanced.

I hate the current system that lets people game the trophy. Make it simple.

You should ONLY see people that are 1 townhall below or above you to attack or defend from.
Your trophy count should be compared to others at your same townhall level.
If you go down low in trophy count thats fine... you will still be getting attacked by people that are a similar level to you.

the reason why a loot system exists is to protect the lower th levels from being constantly overrun by high level players. if this were implemented, there would be a vast increase in the number of th8+ players in trophy ranges as low as 300-600 praying off of advanced th5-6 players who could have as much a 150-200k+ each available to a th9+ attacker, which is a pretty good amount of resources. as such, it would completely crash the clash economy.

what your asking is to sacrifice the needs of the many for the needs of the few. if you rushed that's your fault, but it is recoverable, I had to spend a solid year at th9 digging myself out of a horribly rushed state, but its possible.

Wow! Necro-bump.

idk how many of those people are even on anymore. You might be talking to a few dead accounts there newbie.

the only way i can see this helping is if you have rushed your base, otherwise it doesnt really offer anything, yes a lower player can get raided by a higher player, but the loot cap makes it less likely, but if you are a town hall 10 with town hall 7 defences then you are going to get raided on a regular basis and lose alot of loot.

why do you really think this is a good idea?

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Wow! Necro-bump.

idk how many of those people are even on anymore. You might be talking to a few dead accounts there newbie.

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ill be hoonest it was at the top of the page so it was current, but sometimes this happens, they should delete the old posts after a few months

No. Unless the thread us utterly useless, they stay. Never know when they can be useful, and it isn't like text data takes up much server space. Besides, if all threads got deleted after awhile, the option of digging for old threads for reason why something was ruled out would be totaly got after awhile. And that's not good at all!:saywhat:

what about rushed bases?

Ack, why you necro bump thread? ;_;

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Originally Posted by gallantblade

Too harsh.

I however have put up an idea in the past where the loot penalty doesn't give as much protection as you enter Crystal or higher leagues.

As I'm sick of wasting next fees on bloody TH6s to TH8s hanging around Crystal leagues. ♥♥♥♥.

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I'm a TH10 in masters 2 and I love seeing th 6-8 in masters, 8s have enough loot with the bonus to make it worth attacking and 6 and 7 are practically th snipes!

YES!!! This freaking needs to be added!

no. defeats the point of farming

This thread has been necro so many times that is is probably just a pile of bones held together by band-aids.

This is just how nature works.. Survival of the fittest.