Anyone else frustrated with TH8 defenses?

First, I'm not suggesting Supercell to fix anything...now that that's out the way :D

I'm a TH 8 with nearly maxed defenses. Upgrade to TH9 is underway (thank goodness). I'm in Gold 2 which is the appropriate level for my TH (Once I dont have a shield, I will probably have to drop to silver).

I leave my TH outside for TH snipers, but here is my beef. I have my dark elixir WELL protected, guarded by 3 layer of walls most are level 8 (black skulls). My storage has over 30K and TH8 defenses are NOT adequate to fend off attackers who are TH9s and 10s that are going after my resource. My storage can hold 80K...but I will never even get close because of attacks. I'm trying to save up for the Archer Queen once my TH9 is complete, but it has been a challenge. Once, I was robbed for 4K in 2 attacks in 20 mins. Really??? TH8s just cant hold more than 30k without a TH9 or 10 just ripping through the center to take it. My clan castle is ALWAYS full with strong defenses. It is the most frustrating part of TH8. TH9 is so much more superior with Archer Queen, X-Bows, extra air defenses, extra walls.

I just wrote this to prep anyone trying to farm for dark at TH8, see if anyone has been going through the same troubles, and a little venting :p.

Thanks for hearing me out

KJ

A competent player a TH above will pretty much always be able to rob you with the right set up.

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Originally Posted by KJBlack

First, I'm not suggesting Supercell to fix anything...now that that's out the way :D

I'm a TH 8 with nearly maxed defenses. Upgrade to TH9 is underway (thank goodness). I'm in Gold 2 which is the appropriate level for my TH (Once I dont have a shield, I will probably have to drop to silver).

I leave my TH outside for TH snipers, but here is my beef. I have my dark elixir WELL protected, guarded by 3 layer of walls most are level 8 (black skulls). My storage has over 30K and TH8 defenses are NOT adequate to fend off attackers who are TH9s and 10s that are going after my resource. My storage can hold 80K...but I will never even get close because of attacks. I'm trying to save up for the Archer Queen once my TH9 is complete, but it has been a challenge. Once, I was robbed for 4K in 2 attacks in 20 mins. Really??? TH8s just cant hold more than 30k without a TH9 or 10 just ripping through the center to take it. My clan castle is ALWAYS full with strong defenses. It is the most frustrating part of TH8. TH9 is so much more superior with Archer Queen, X-Bows, extra air defenses, extra walls.

I just wrote this to prep anyone trying to farm for dark at TH8, see if anyone has been going through the same troubles, and a little venting :p.

Thanks for hearing me out

KJ

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http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...se-Designs-TH8

There is a base near the bottom that helps with saving that DE for the transition to TH9! I have been using this guy's bases for some time now and think that it will help you out a bit. Good luck! :)

as odd as this sounds, I would recommend going higher.

Im a th8 currently in crystal 2 - i was sat here a couple of days ago with 30k de and 4m in elixir and didnt get anything other than TH sniped.

the lack of th's to snipe up here makes it almost a dead cert that someone will.... and the DE isnt bad either :)

you're always going to get smashed by th9/10's though - just as you pick on th7s.

such is life.

Sparing DE at TH8 is a bit like trophy pushing. You need to play in sessions, without going offline. That seems like the only way.

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Originally Posted by Phreak

Sparing DE at TH8 is a bit like trophy pushing. You need to play in sessions, without going offline. That seems like the only way.

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Exactly ,i just reached th8 day before and i am squashed like a bug, my de is almost full at 40k, i am farming de atm. my bk is upgrading to 6 , hogs to 3 and am left idle with the de

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Originally Posted by Ryuken

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...se-Designs-TH8

There is a base near the bottom that helps with saving that DE for the transition to TH9! I have been using this guy's bases for some time now and think that it will help you out a bit. Good luck! :)

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Thanks for all the replies!

Ryuken, I think I may go with this layout. I truly have a good layout, but this one seems to be a bit better specifically addressing the short-term problem with protecting my dark with a secondary of gold. I could care less about elixir right now.

Thanks again and thanks to Avernicus for the post.

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Originally Posted by Phreak

Sparing DE at TH8 is a bit like trophy pushing. You need to play in sessions, without going offline. That seems like the only way.

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Not true, at least in my experience here in Crystal. I've saved up 25K for my level 7 king without worry. You just need to keep your TH exposed and hope for a snipe after every raid - you'll make more than you lose if you look.

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Originally Posted by KJBlack

First, I'm not suggesting Supercell to fix anything...now that that's out the way :D

I'm a TH 8 with nearly maxed defenses. Upgrade to TH9 is underway (thank goodness). I'm in Gold 2 which is the appropriate level for my TH (Once I dont have a shield, I will probably have to drop to silver).

I leave my TH outside for TH snipers, but here is my beef. I have my dark elixir WELL protected, guarded by 3 layer of walls most are level 8 (black skulls). My storage has over 30K and TH8 defenses are NOT adequate to fend off attackers who are TH9s and 10s that are going after my resource. My storage can hold 80K...but I will never even get close because of attacks. I'm trying to save up for the Archer Queen once my TH9 is complete, but it has been a challenge. Once, I was robbed for 4K in 2 attacks in 20 mins. Really??? TH8s just cant hold more than 30k without a TH9 or 10 just ripping through the center to take it. My clan castle is ALWAYS full with strong defenses. It is the most frustrating part of TH8. TH9 is so much more superior with Archer Queen, X-Bows, extra air defenses, extra walls.

I just wrote this to prep anyone trying to farm for dark at TH8, see if anyone has been going through the same troubles, and a little venting :p.

Thanks for hearing me out

KJ

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if you really need de, go to gold 1 or crystal 3 and you can find bases that you can zap and some with full lvl 4+ dark elixir drills. thats how i saved up 40k for hogs

TC I feel your pain, happens to me all the time.

I also am a nearly maxed TH8 defensively and 9's still crush me for the most part on full raids (royals, 4 spells, etc).

There's literally nothing you can do. I've also spent extensive time in Gold league-Crystal 2 and it seems no matter what league I drop to....there is always a lvl 100+ ready to decimate my base.

I could probably drop down to Silver 3 and some 125 would still get me, lol....


Really, pretty lame having such high lvl's in a low league to pick on lower TH's but it is what it is. TH9 will be better for sure with xbows and several more walls/defenses.

Bottom line is if you have loot you'll be raided regardless. Hard to hoard DE if you keep getting hit, but you should be able to maintain 40K at least through daily raiding for the AQ when you hit 9.

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Originally Posted by Phreak

Sparing DE at TH8 is a bit like trophy pushing. You need to play in sessions, without going offline. That seems like the only way.

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I managed to max out my DE storage as a TH8 (I haven't made the move to TH9 yet, but will start it soon). I played with 80k in the bank for days before I could start the golem upgrade I was saving it for, and this is how I did so:

1. Boost barracks (if you don't mind using gems) and farm as hard as possible with quick, cheap armies like barch for two hours at a time. I did most of my farming in Gold II and III.

2. Make sure that your TH is far away from any and all defenses, to encourage snipes. For a long time I kept my TH in range of a single cannon, and once I moved it all the way to a corner (where I surrounded it with flower decorations), the snipes increased noticeably.

3. Think twice about attacking most TH9s. When I was hitting them for DE, I would face crippling revenge attacks on a regular basis!

4. Stay under shield protection until you are ready to raid for a few hours straight again.

5. Find a base that will allow you to put your DE storage dead center. I have a farm layout that I like a lot, but switched the dead centered CC with my DE storage, to make it as hard to hit as possible. If someone zaps me, I usually zap them back, but few people go all the way anymore.

I'm a TH8 about where you're at and when I decide to push for DE, I always move up to Crystal as others have suggested. DE is more common in Crystal. If you're in the gold leagues with a ton of DE, you're a prize. In Crystal, you're just some other player with DE.

Also, exposed TH are less common in Crystal. Plenty of people are happy to snipe your TH and take the modest DE bonus to offset farming losses to stay in Crystal to continue farming DE and that nice little attack bonus.

Very simple, I will share with you my trick. Upgrade both you dark barracks to the max, fill up your camps with normal troops and once they are filled up with normal troops, fill both dark barracks with the most expensive dark troops you've got. A couple of thousands will make a massive difference, just make sure that once you are back on to remove those troops from the barracks so you can get your DE back.

Ya the best thing to do us just boost your barracks and spell factory and just stay online the entire boost period. There's nothing u can do to stop level 6 Giants and a couple heal spells. I wouldn't worry about saving more than the de it costs for aq though. It's not like you gain much by banging your head against the wall just to be able to level your aq as soon as you get her. Just have 40k when you hit th9 and you're good.

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Originally Posted by NatsuDragneel

Very simple, I will share with you my trick. Upgrade both you dark barracks to the max, fill up your camps with normal troops and once they are filled up with normal troops, fill both dark barracks with the most expensive dark troops you've got. A couple of thousands will make a massive difference, just make sure that once you are back on to remove those troops from the barracks so you can get your DE back.

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This will make no difference at all. At 30k de he's going to be getting robbed for the max anyways.

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Originally Posted by NatsuDragneel

Very simple, I will share with you my trick. Upgrade both you dark barracks to the max, fill up your camps with normal troops and once they are filled up with normal troops, fill both dark barracks with the most expensive dark troops you've got. A couple of thousands will make a massive difference, just make sure that once you are back on to remove those troops from the barracks so you can get your DE back.

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I have done this...it helps a little, but not too much. Just this morning (i swear), i put down 4 golems and 4 lvl 4 hogs (about 2k dark)...I FORGOT ABOUT THE GOLEMS!!! 900 dark down the fricken drain. So mad!!! So yeah you aint kidding about making sure that you remove those troops from the barracks.

So yeah, I would use that trick if I had 15K or less, but at 30K...doesnt make much of a difference and could cost you 900 or more.

Dragons (L3) is almost half mil on the barracks elixir bank.

Thanks!

There should be no reason why a th10 should be attacking you.

The hard part about being a TH8 is that there is such a big offensive boost at TH9 and the TH9s only face a 10% penalty when they attack a TH8. Giants get a huge boost in stats from lvl 5-6, same with balloons. You also get several more defensive towers at TH9, 25 more walls and 2 x-bows. Those defenses help a TH9 defend against other TH9s, but aren't available to the TH8 crowd.

You just have to suffer through it unfortunately. Another bad part about being a TH8 is that there are 2 levels of upgrades for almost every defensive structure, so not only are you out-gunned as a TH8, but you are also at least 2, if not 3 levels of defensive structures back from a TH9 for quite a while. Once you get to the end of your TH8 upgrades, it gets a little better, but the game is definitely slanted against TH8s.

Stick it out and get the defenses upgrades and when you get to TH9, you can return the favor to all the up-and-coming TH8s. Think of it like high school - it stinks being a freshman, but it is awesome being a senior.

Unless you're a TH10, there will always be a stronger player out there that can wreck your base. This is not something that SC can or should fix. Also no matter what your base layout is, there is an army composition out there and a smart attacker somewhere that will know exactly what to do to get what he/she wants out of it. If you could defend against every army and every opposing TH, the game wouldn't be the same. You attack for loot, and you get attacked for loot. That's how it goes and all I can suggest is to farm and stay on a little longer if possible to be able to fill that DE storage before you log off and have some taken from you. Enjoy TH9, you'll have a lot of things to do once you're there and I personally found it very exciting :)

I have a fully maxed th8 (besides archer towers, 3 need to go to 10) and I am sitting on around 65000 dark elixer and for some reason, I never get raided...

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Originally Posted by smoggybowman

as odd as this sounds, I would recommend going higher.

Im a th8 currently in crystal 2 - i was sat here a couple of days ago with 30k de and 4m in elixir and didnt get anything other than TH sniped.

the lack of th's to snipe up here makes it almost a dead cert that someone will.... and the DE isnt bad either :)

you're always going to get smashed by th9/10's though - just as you pick on th7s.

such is life.

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I actually think this comment is quite accurate. It is more likely that you will get sniped in higher leagues because of lower town hall levels that push up and look for the snipes. I have only ever been up to low Gold 1 (~1850) but I get sniped up in Gold I very often whereas when I am in Gold 3 I hardly ever get sniped.


@OP I am a TH8 in a similar position (although I'm only a mid TH8, not as closed to being maxed). I only have 22k D.E. but the last 3 raids on me have all stolen like 1.3k D.E. each. One of them was a TH8 that only got to the storage because my CC wasn't full but the other 2 raids were TH9. TH9 offensive advantage over TH8 is absolutely ridiculous. Even with the 2 levels of defensive upgrades for AT, cannons, and WT (3 for teslas), TH9 troops are still way too strong to be taken down. The main army that gets my DE is some TH9 using barch with level 6 giants thrown in as well and some heal spells. It's so frustrating that the mortars and wizards towers will target the giants and spend an entire minute attacking them when there is a hoarde of archers shooting at the D.E. storage 2 spaces away...One last thing that could easily be fixed about having TH9 troops be overpowered is that the AQ's range is too far. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ she can shoot like 5 tiles away so even if your D.E. storage is in the core and surrounded on all sides by 3x3 buildings the AQ can still get it from outside...If the range was lowered a bit I think that would even things out a lot.

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Originally Posted by 00Neel

Exactly ,i just reached th8 day before and i am squashed like a bug, my de is almost full at 40k, i am farming de atm. my bk is upgrading to 6 , hogs to 3 and am left idle with the de

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Originally Posted by IDBGOD28

TC I feel your pain, happens to me all the time.

I also am a nearly maxed TH8 defensively and 9's still crush me for the most part on full raids (royals, 4 spells, etc).

There's literally nothing you can do. I've also spent extensive time in Gold league-Crystal 2 and it seems no matter what league I drop to....there is always a lvl 100+ ready to decimate my base.

I could probably drop down to Silver 3 and some 125 would still get me, lol....


Really, pretty lame having such high lvl's in a low league to pick on lower TH's but it is what it is. TH9 will be better for sure with xbows and several more walls/defenses.

Bottom line is if you have loot you'll be raided regardless. Hard to hoard DE if you keep getting hit, but you should be able to maintain 40K at least through daily raiding for the AQ when you hit 9.

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Originally Posted by Boxcutter

I actually think this comment is quite accurate. It is more likely that you will get sniped in higher leagues because of lower town hall levels that push up and look for the snipes. I have only ever been up to low Gold 1 (~1850) but I get sniped up in Gold I very often whereas when I am in Gold 3 I hardly ever get sniped.


@OP I am a TH8 in a similar position (although I'm only a mid TH8, not as closed to being maxed). I only have 22k D.E. but the last 3 raids on me have all stolen like 1.3k D.E. each. One of them was a TH8 that only got to the storage because my CC wasn't full but the other 2 raids were TH9. TH9 offensive advantage over TH8 is absolutely ridiculous. Even with the 2 levels of defensive upgrades for AT, cannons, and WT (3 for teslas), TH9 troops are still way too strong to be taken down. The main army that gets my DE is some TH9 using barch with level 6 giants thrown in as well and some heal spells. It's so frustrating that the mortars and wizards towers will target the giants and spend an entire minute attacking them when there is a hoarde of archers shooting at the D.E. storage 2 spaces away...One last thing that could easily be fixed about having TH9 troops be overpowered is that the AQ's range is too far. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ she can shoot like 5 tiles away so even if your D.E. storage is in the core and surrounded on all sides by 3x3 buildings the AQ can still get it from outside...If the range was lowered a bit I think that would even things out a lot.

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I'm glad there are quite a few who truly knows this predicament (although I dont wish this situation on anyone). I did not expect all the great solutions I've seen. Once I get home, I will have to change my base to the one that was posted here earlier. Also (counter-intuitive...but make sense), I will raise my trophies to Gold 1. Since many ppl like to TH snipe up to crystal, I may have a better chance to live from shield to shield.

Thanks all!

KJ

I am early-mid TH8 and I have been ripped apart by L6 balloons and giants. Hence not trying to save DE until my towers gets upgraded a bit more. I did notice nobody cares about elixir, my tanks can be full, people still just snipe TH. but carry over 150k of lootable gold or about 1k DE, prepare to be pillaged!

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Originally Posted by FFP

I am early-mid TH8 and I have been ripped apart by L6 balloons and giants. Hence not trying to save DE until my towers gets upgraded a bit more. I did notice nobody cares about elixir, my tanks can be full, people still just snipe TH. but carry over 150k of lootable gold or about 1k DE, prepare to be pillaged!

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My advice to you is to stop picking on TH9s! I stay low enough (Gold II and III) that most of the bases I see are TH7s and TH8s. I don't worry about revenge attacks at all, and there are plenty of rich TH7s that I can just steamroll with barbs/archers. If you raid often enough, DE isn't a problem either (200 a raid or so on average adds up in a hurry). I find many TH7s that don't even bother to protect their DE, as they must not have any use for it yet. On an unrelated note, it's weird how many TH7s keep their TH centered...

I feel you I'm am near max th8 all gold upgrades I have left are little bombs and walls (I accually felt empty when I realized I had nothing to save for) but all my dark elxir is stolen by th9s that I can't revenge level 6 troops and archer queen have massive advantages and cc is easy to lure unless ur base is bloated so I'm starting to reconsider centralizing it

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Originally Posted by JasKh

Unless you're a TH10, there will always be a stronger player out there that can wreck your base. This is not something that SC can or should fix. Also no matter what your base layout is, there is an army composition out there and a smart attacker somewhere that will know exactly what to do to get what he/she wants out of it. If you could defend against every army and every opposing TH, the game wouldn't be the same. You attack for loot, and you get attacked for loot. That's how it goes and all I can suggest is to farm and stay on a little longer if possible to be able to fill that DE storage before you log off and have some taken from you. Enjoy TH9, you'll have a lot of things to do once you're there and I personally found it very exciting :)

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Definitely not going to say my base is invincible, but I wouldn't expect a th 10 to be able to wreck my base unless he revenges with gowiwi or something. but regular farming troops from th 9 can flatten the best th 8s.