New Hero, Minion lord (Just hear me out)

The Premise:
The Minion lord would be a Huge flying hero since the first two types of heroes (archer queen and barb king) cover the ranged/damage and melee/tank troop types I figure that there's only one more troop type left that supercell might make into a hero: Flying. The minion lord would be a gigantic minion, slightly smaller than a dragon but fatter It would be proportionally similar to a lava hound but graphically it would look like a minion

Specifics:
Becomes available at Town Hall 10
Price to purchase: 80,000 Dark Elixir
Max level: 40
Starting health: 1025
Max health: 2300
Starting Damage (DPS): 10
Max Damage (DPS): 50
Damage type: Massive area splash damage
Damage area: 5 Tile radius in a 120 degree arc
Targets: Ground and air
Favorite: Any
Range when defending: Entire map, this means that it can be lured and killed just like the old heroes could and how clan castle troops still can.
The Hero Ability:

	Duration	Area/range	Ability Heal	Units summoned
Level 1 (hero level 5)	6	5.5 tiles	290	3
Level 2 (Hero level 10)	6.5	6 tiles	405	4
Level 3 (Hero level 15)	7	6.5 tiles	520	5
Level 4 (Hero level 20)	7.5	7 tiles	635	6
Level 5 (Hero level 25)	8	7.5 tiles	750	7
Level 6 (Hero level 30)	8.5	8 tiles	865	8
Level 7 (Hero level 35)	9	8.5 tiles	980	9
Level 8 (Hero level 40)	10	9 tiles	1095	10

Stats and Attacking info:
It would have slightly less speed than normal minions but much more health, and instead of doing single target damage it would spit out the small black globs that normal minions do over a large area in front of it, kind of like it's barfing out tons of little drops of dark elixir, which would do damage to any structures or enemy troops they fall on (would be great for helping to take out low health clan castle troops such as archers, minions, and wizards, it would also be able to target air troops such as balloons and other minions although due to the nature of splash damage it would be quite ineffective against tanky troops such as dragons, pekkas, giants, and golems, it would however pick up the slack from the other two heroes since it would be great against large numbers of low health troops and they can get easily taken out by a small swarm of troops simply cause they target one at a time .

How the damage works: When attacking it spits out little globs, each one does splash damage over an area slightly smaller than a wizard's splash effect. This means that the minion lord only does damage to things that are actually hit by the blobs. When attacking a base it would not have any noticeable difference from just damaging all buildings in range since buildings are large and very likely to be hit, however when on the defensive is when this really comes into play. Because troops take up much less space than buildings and the minion lord does not aim directly at anything it is much less likely that small troops such as archers, barbarians or goblins will be hit by it's attack.

Please Comment! anything is appreciated, recommendations, tips, questions etc.

It's different from others I've read. I personally think another hero would be good. Especially now since the last update.

Yeah, It would certainly add some interesting new options to both attacking and defense strategies that no other troop type or hero allows for currently :D for example it could be used in order to weaken a large area of buildings slightly prior to an attack in order to make it easier to sweep into the base from that side or maybe as support in the same way that archers support barbarians in the famous Barch strategy. I just hope this thread gets some replies and maybe some comments on what might make it better or point out any flaws :)

Not bad i like it i hope supercell accept it and add it soon

Thanks dude! I thought it sounded like a cool idea since there are no large area splash troops and of course if you're gonna have large area splash it has to be low damage so it's not too op :)

I think this idea is great. It's very original and I think would be great as a new hero.

Thanks for the support dude!

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Originally Posted by evjohn13

Thanks for the support dude!

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Evjon i added this idea to my thread on the hero idea, and I made a new group for creative people like you to join so that we can discuss ideas before we post them. The group is called best ideas and its under my name (juanay7) I would love for you to join. Great idea btw.

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Originally Posted by evjohn13

Cool, I'd enjoy that, How can I find/join the group? I haven't seen any group options on this site, but it would be cool to find more ways to spread my hero idea so I can see How people like it :D

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Im in the group too my the way :p Honestly I already forgot how to join groups even though I joined it about 2 days ago :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by evjohn13

Cool, I'd enjoy that, How can I find/join the group? I haven't seen any group options on this site, but it would be cool to find more ways to spread my hero idea so I can see How people like it :D

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Ok evjon join my group ny looking into the top right hand side of your screen where it sas my profile... Click on it and then scroll down and on the left side there will be an option where it sas join groups, press it and it will take you to another screen where you will look on the right hand side of the screen for a search bar. Then you will type in best ideas and join the group.

Wait found it! On the top right of your screen press My Profile. then scroll down a little to where it said join groups. Then join the group

i think it should look like a dragon mixed with a minion and as big as a normal hero and that thepower up should be a one time splash damge "fire bome that gives 300 dage to all arouned it if thats 2 op sorry:rolleyes:

splash damage that would damge whats around him

U commented on my post of a minion lord. I think ur idea was nice too, expassaly about the ability. As i have said i dont think it should be abel to have on defence, way to prowerfull if it wws defence. I hope they take a bit of everyones ideas and make a good balanced hero that is not too OP.

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Originally Posted by HaiderAbbas

Not bad i like it i hope supercell accept it and add it soon

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Yea its a great idea hope to see a new hero in the game like this..would help a lot

[i agree with this guy all to most of my clan wants this hero in hopefully supercell decides to add this hero in its a great idea

I forgot to add this if u guys are going to do this make it unlock able at town hall level 9 move the queen down to town hall level 8 and keep the barbarian king at town hall level 7

any way i like the idea but i have a few questions. A) don't you think the health is a little low, at max level it would BARELY sustain a blow from a max seeking air mine. B) what does he do on defense, can he hit other flying troops?

I really like this idea I just think it should be able to go anywhere on the map so that you can draw it away from defences and attack it.

This would force people to bring a ranged or troop into combat since nothing else can touch it. Idk if I like that. Otherwise OK concept

I like this idea, it is pretty original (not like goblin king or P.E.K.K.A. queen lol)

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Originally Posted by MuPpet

Yea its a great idea hope to see a new hero in the game like this..would help a lot

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Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by Warriorgod2

[i agree with this guy all to most of my clan wants this hero in hopefully supercell decides to add this hero in its a great idea

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Thanks for the support dude :D

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Originally Posted by Venomben

any way i like the idea but i have a few questions. A) don't you think the health is a little low, at max level it would BARELY sustain a blow from a max seeking air mine. B) what does he do on defense, can he hit other flying troops?

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A: I don't think the health is too low, mainly because since this is a ranged unit it would be behind balloons or dragons and if it gets hit by a seeking air mine it's because the attacker didn't place their other troops well enough. I want the main focus to be on its damage since I don't think we really need another air tank.
B: The simple answer is yes, however I have added a section to the main post explaining how it deals damage since just having it hit everything in range would be way too op when defending even with its low damage per target.

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Originally Posted by alreadyover

I really like this idea I just think it should be able to go anywhere on the map so that you can draw it away from defences and attack it.

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Yes, very good point, Helped me balance it on defense much better, thanks dude.

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Originally Posted by soccercrazy1

This would force people to bring a ranged or troop into combat since nothing else can touch it. Idk if I like that. Otherwise OK concept

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It would, however that doesn't change anything really since it only becomes available at town hall 10 and at that point there aren't many if any viable attack strategies that don't use ranged/air targeting troops to begin with:p

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Originally Posted by ChiefNero

I like this idea, it is pretty original (not like goblin king or P.E.K.K.A. queen lol)

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Thanks for the support! :o

If supercell agrees to this they should add it in the Valintines day update to show that they love thier supporters

Sorry to break the chain of idealists, but for reasons that have been discussed countless times, a new hero is unlikely. It means that people with three maxed heroes could attack people with none, and that people with no heroes could end up attacking bases with THREE level 40 heroes. The hero system would have to be changed, with people only being able to choose 2 heroes to attack and defend out of the three, etc.

If you want a more detailed description, there's one here:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ng-more-heroes

At a glance, most people squeal with delight when they see a new hero idea, 'I want one! I want one! I want one!', but it doesn't actually work like that ;)

As for the idea itself, the
'Damage type: Massive area splash damage
Damage area: 5 Tile radius in a 120 degree arc'
would make it very OP against barch and wizards, and shift the defence meta away heavily towards dragons, and the defence meta balance between archers, wizards and dragons is fine at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Warriorgod2

If supercell agrees to this they should add it in the Valintines day update to show that they love thier supporters

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Thanks for the support dude :D Nice idea lol.

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Originally Posted by MrH

Sorry to break the chain of idealists, but for reasons that have been discussed countless times, a new hero is unlikely. It means that people with three maxed heroes could attack people with none, and that people with no heroes could end up attacking bases with THREE level 40 heroes. The hero system would have to be changed, with people only being able to choose 2 heroes to attack and defend out of the three, etc.

If you want a more detailed description, there's one here:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ng-more-heroes

At a glance, most people squeal with delight when they see a new hero idea, 'I want one! I want one! I want one!', but it doesn't actually work like that ;)

As for the idea itself, the
'Damage type: Massive area splash damage
Damage area: 5 Tile radius in a 120 degree arc'
would make it very OP against barch and wizards, and shift the defence meta away heavily towards dragons, and the defence meta balance between archers, wizards and dragons is fine at the moment.

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Oh don't worry, I understand that it's unlikely. But to the other points you made, I would like to remind you of some things.

You mentioned that his would upset hero balance however I highly disagree, you see when attacking a base with air troops, the barbarian king and archer queen are not all that helpful except when you need just a few more percentage points to win. likewise this hero would not be very helpful at all in ground raids because alone it doesn't really do enough damage to earn you the extra percentages before it dies unless there are buildings that are almost dead anyway. I purposefully made its health comparable to a dragon so that black air bombs can nearly kill it in one shot and without other air troops to shield it it would only take a single bomb and a couple shots from an air defense to take it down. This hero would simply make up for the current hero's inability to help in air raids without upsetting ground raid balance.


As for your second point, I'm not sure if you missed it but there is already a solution to the whole "op against barch and wizards" problem in my main post. I specifically mention that when defending it will defend the entire base which means it can be lured away from defenses and killed just like clan castle troops. Any halfway descent attacker knows you have to at least check for cc troops anyway and usually brings lure and kill troops along for raids making it quite simple to lure and kill this as well before starting the barch or wizard raid without fear. So in that sense the defense meta would not actually shift at all. Especially in higher level raids against maxed town hall 10's where such strategies as barching are barely viable anyway.

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Originally Posted by evjohn13

Thanks for the support dude :D Nice idea lol.


Oh don't worry, I understand that it's unlikely. But to the other points you made, I would like to remind you of some things.

You mentioned that his would upset hero balance however I highly disagree, you see when attacking a base with air troops, the barbarian king and archer queen are not all that helpful except when you need just a few more percentage points to win. likewise this hero would not be very helpful at all in ground raids because alone it doesn't really do enough damage to earn you the extra percentages before it dies unless there are buildings that are almost dead anyway. I purposefully made its health comparable to a dragon so that black air bombs can nearly kill it in one shot and without other air troops to shield it it would only take a single bomb and a couple shots from an air defense to take it down. This hero would simply make up for the current hero's inability to help in air raids without upsetting ground raid balance.


As for your second point, I'm not sure if you missed it but there is already a solution to the whole "op against barch and wizards" problem in my main post. I specifically mention that when defending it will defend the entire base which means it can be lured away from defenses and killed just like clan castle troops. Any halfway descent attacker knows you have to at least check for cc troops anyway and usually brings lure and kill troops along for raids making it quite simple to lure and kill this as well before starting the barch or wizard raid without fear. So in that sense the defense meta would not actually shift at all. Especially in higher level raids against maxed town hall 10's where such strategies as barching are barely viable anyway.

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Heroes help a LOT in balloon raids. They stop you from running out of time.
It doesn't really matter if it's easier to lure the hero. I read that bit. When you kill it, you still can't use archers, wizards or minions, which means you have to use dragons or an archer queen to kill it. No other troops would be able to kill it, they either can't target air troops or would be wiped out by the splash. So even if SC reverse the big hero change they just made, which I highly doubt, it would be very OP in defence, and everyone would have to bring along dragons just to deal with the threat. Ruins a lot of current strategies. So I'm really not sure about your saying 'The defense meta would not actually shift at all'. Seems like a big shift to me.
There's a lot of complaining going on about lavaloonions, so I doubt air offense is being buffed any time soon. Like I said, this would ruin the meta, by shifting it even more towards air in offense, and making bringing a dragon to every raid compulsory. That's the reason SC haven't introduced a minion king, despite all the threads asking for one.

I think it's really creative clever and thought out. But I think it should be available at th8 because I'm th8 and Everything is about me.

Good idea, but I think its dps should be higher.

we need a flying hero

Instead of hear, I'd say do something like a force feild protecting all surrounding minions from splash damage or all damage(Splash would be less op) and give it a slight speed increase as well(not much, maybe like 7 or something) other than that, I really like the idea. I actually posted a thread as well, I liked yours more because mine had no specifics other Than my power idea

Really like the idea, I'd be super excited if supercell decided to add something like this in the game (i myself would prefer the next hero to be a flying type) :D good stuff

That's a Good idea we need a flying Hero! 😛

not a bad idea but it has come out many times before. some things I would change is that the minion lord should be slightly bigger then a lava hound, and do more damage. also it's ending stats would be WAY further away then it's starting stats. If supercell does add it, it should be hunched over with spikes comming out of its back to make it look cooler. just some suggestions.

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Originally Posted by evjohn13

Thanks for the support dude!

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Its a great idea but may be it will unbalance the game. Because it will be hard to defeat three hero's so may be there should be something like changing the hero like taking the barb king and put instead of him the minnion lord . I liked the idea by the way.imagine if the add a third ground hero.that would be terrible.I hop that the new hero would be a flying hero.🆒

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Originally Posted by hamOOOOd

Its a great idea but may be it will unbalance the game. Because it will be hard to defeat three hero's so may be there should be something like changing the hero like taking the barb king and put instead of him the minnion lord . I liked the idea by the way.imagine if the add a third ground hero.that would be terrible.I hop that the new hero would be a flying hero.🆒

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I dunno, they did just nerf air attacks with the new air sweeper defense, it might make this type of hero possible without upsetting game balance.
anyway, thanks for the response dude :)

Instead of having its ability of raging minions and splits into 8 minions which has its a 4 tile like tesla sized rage spell so it can rage itself and any other minions which enter its small rage! of course each one of the 8 minions gets 1 rage spell each which would be cool

I would make the damage higher at close range and lower as the globs of DE get more spread out the further they travel. That way it could handle mobs but not be too bad vs tankier units.

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Originally Posted by Kinghenry710

Instead of having its ability of raging minions and splits into 8 minions which has its a 4 tile like tesla sized rage spell so it can rage itself and any other minions which enter its small rage! of course each one of the 8 minions gets 1 rage spell each which would be cool

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That would be rediculously overpowered.

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Originally Posted by BeerGod666

I would make the damage higher at close range and lower as the globs of DE get more spread out the further they travel. That way it could handle mobs but not be too bad vs tankier units.

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that's a neat idea but currently its main weakness is tanky units because that's what balances it, it's not supposed to be good against tanky things, if it was it would be op.

A new hero thats both flying and deals splash damage. Interesting. I feel that the huge splash radius would make barch and other raids very hard though.

New Heroes are ruled out!

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Originally Posted by Pamo5

New Heroes are ruled out!

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No they arent. Read the Stickys. A hero for EVERY troop is ruled put

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Originally Posted by Khandragon00

Instead of hear, I'd say do something like a force feild protecting all surrounding minions from splash damage or all damage(Splash would be less op) and give it a slight speed increase as well(not much, maybe like 7 or something) other than that, I really like the idea. I actually posted a thread as well, I liked yours more because mine had no specifics other Than my power idea

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Originally Posted by hamOOOOd

Its a great idea but may be it will unbalance the game. Because it will be hard to defeat three hero's so may be there should be something like changing the hero like taking the barb king and put instead of him the minnion lord . I liked the idea by the way.imagine if the add a third ground hero.that would be terrible.I hop that the new hero would be a flying hero.��

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bumping is against the forum rules. There have been numerous threads on a minion hero

Never replied to this thread back in the days. I'm glad someone bumped this cause i support this new kind of hero.

The idea of Minion lord is completely balanced in all aspects.
This idea should be considered as the final hero [ enough heroes already ]
It is more like a flying small ranged grenadier like minion
Good luck man , the idea is flawless !!!!!!!!!!!!

An interesting hero. I would like to see it in the game sometime...

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Originally Posted by jzitovsky

A new hero thats both flying and deals splash damage. Interesting. I feel that the huge splash radius would make barch and other raids very hard though.

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Yes, it would be hard to barch against a base protected by this hero, that's why I added that it can roam anywhere, meaning you can lure and kill it just like you can with clan castle troops :P

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Originally Posted by Pamo5

New Heroes are ruled out!

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Actually, they're not lol, please read the stickies before posting, it helps :)

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Originally Posted by clannis

Never replied to this thread back in the days. I'm glad someone bumped this cause i support this new kind of hero.

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Haha, thanks for the support dude :D it seems to be gaining a lot of traction with the new addition of lava hounds and air sweepers, seems like people are thinking more about air raids now than they used to.

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Originally Posted by PokeManiac

The idea of Minion lord is completely balanced in all aspects.
This idea should be considered as the final hero [ enough heroes already ]
It is more like a flying small ranged grenadier like minion
Good luck man , the idea is flawless !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thanks bro :) yeah, I agree, the game only really has room for one more hero.

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Originally Posted by DarkTitan351

An interesting hero. I would like to see it in the game sometime...

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Glad you like it dude :) I spent a descent amount of time trying to balance the stats :P

if it summons minions i think it should summon more as minions are weak individually or in small groups

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Originally Posted by Ukoval

if it summons minions i think it should summon more as minions are weak individually or in small groups

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nah, minions are a pretty powerful troop, they do tons of damage and move really fast. I wouldn't want to add more cause that would make it overpowered.

I know i'm going to get ♥♥♥♥ for this bump but in light of the new air sweepers i think this troop is perfect. Add the concept of only using 2 heros at a time and Im in full support of this guy.
Well explained and well balanced :thumbsup:

Edit: I also voted TH10 since air sweepers are pretty ineffective until they're at least lvl 4-5 in my opinion

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Originally Posted by Jahboy777

I know i'm going to get ♥♥♥♥ for this bump but in light of the new air sweepers i think this troop is perfect. Add the concept of only using 2 heros at a time and Im in full support of this guy.
Well explained and well balanced :thumbsup:

Edit: I also voted TH10 since air sweepers are pretty ineffective until they're at least lvl 4-5 in my opinion

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If you know necro posting is against rules, why did you bother doing this?

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Originally Posted by 789firespawn

If you know necro posting is against rules, why did you bother doing this?

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I rather have a good necro then a bad new thread. Some threads just need to be revived because they we're ahead of their time. ;)

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Originally Posted by Jahboy777

I know i'm going to get ♥♥♥♥ for this bump but in light of the new air sweepers i think this troop is perfect. Add the concept of only using 2 heros at a time and Im in full support of this guy.
Well explained and well balanced :thumbsup:

Edit: I also voted TH10 since air sweepers are pretty ineffective until they're at least lvl 4-5 in my opinion

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Lol yes yes yes bring on the necro thread comments...
But the last comment on this thread was made before the first air sweeper was added
Before that, air troops were a bit too strong, making a troop like this unnecessary
I think the concusses now is that air troops need a buff and this might just be what could do it

Edit: Im sure if you have a good idea you wouldn't want someone to be afraid to recognize it just cause its a little old either

Why do so many people want to summon minions? lava hounds already do.

Yeah they should read this

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Originally Posted by thekingofgoblins

Why do so many people want to summon minions? lava hounds already do.

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Lava pups are actually pretty weak compared to minions
Lava hounds are more of a tank than an attack force
Think this troop would actually compliment a lava loon strategy very well and bring balance back to aerial attacks

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Originally Posted by Jahboy777

I know i'm going to get ♥♥♥♥ for this bump but in light of the new air sweepers i think this troop is perfect. Add the concept of only using 2 heros at a time and Im in full support of this guy.
Well explained and well balanced :thumbsup:

Edit: I also voted TH10 since air sweepers are pretty ineffective until they're at least lvl 4-5 in my opinion

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Forgot to mention earlier. If you don't want to hear complaints about a necro thread, make a thread, copy the ideas, and credit the OP.