An Intermediate's Guide to Growning Fast in Clash of Clans

A quick preface - this is will be a pretty long initial post, so I am splitting it into sections (we will see how many). Please provide constructive criticism and I will make updates as appropriate. Feel free to comment here or find me in game (clan: Burning Soul, Art 3000).

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An Intermediate’s Guide to Growing Fast in Clash of Clans
As I have been playing CoC, I have noticed a lot of clan mates advancing fairly slowly. This guide is for those looking to get their towns to grow as fast as possible. It is intended for primarily those in town halls six to eight. It may be applicable for five as well, but I have not gone and started the game fresh to test it. I am not claiming this is the best way to grow, but it is a good way and it does go fast. Also, I have only been in this game for three months or so, but I am extremely analytical by nature. That may come out as you read this guide.

Growing fast really just comes down to a few simple rules:

1. Keep as many builders as possible busy all the time.
2. Keep your laboratory busy most of the time.
3. Be smart about what you build and when you build it.
4. Raid efficiently so that you can “fund” your activities.
5. Follow some simple rules and copy others when laying out your town.
6. Fight wars, trophy push, smash people with hogs, etc. to have fun, but don’t forget #4 since it is what will “pay the bills.”

Now with perhaps a little more detail as to make this useful.

1. Keep as many builders as possible busy all the time.
In CoC, the most constrained resource is time. This is particularly true of builders and laboratories. You can play all day, collect millions in gold and elixir, but unless you part with gems, you cannot speed up builders or the laboratory. Another way to think about it is that every minute your builder is not building is another minute that achieving your ultimate goal moves out. Minutes may not count that much, but frequently hours and days pass with a builder sitting idle. The busier you keep your builders and the more builders you have, the faster you will reach your goals. Since having more builders is so helpful, hoard your gems until you have five. There may be an argument that one finds it impossible to get enough resources to keep the builders running, but before you assume that is the case, it is “safer” to assume that if you paid attention to the upcoming rules 3 and 4, you will have enough.

2. Keep your laboratory busy most of the time.
Like your builders, you can never make up time lost when your laboratory is idle. As such, you need to keep it busy; however, you don’t want to do so at the expense of a higher goal. For example, don’t research something you are not going to use simply because you are 50K elixir short of researching something you really want. Additionally, you will probably have to balance the timing of elixir for research and elixir for some key buildings.

3. Be smart about what you build and when you build it.
There are a lot of ways to be smart about building. I won’t pretend to know what is exactly the best order to build everything, but there are still some general rules that can help.

First, if you have ever wondered how long it will take to build everything, here is what it takes to max out the various town halls in builder days (i.e. 1 builder for 1 day). I have excluded upgrading the archer queen, the barbarian king, and all the various trap upgrades from this count.

“Builder Days” to Needed to Achieve Various Levels

Townhall Level	Max	Reduced Collectors	+ Weaker Defenses	+ Reduced Barracks
1	0.1	0.1	0.1	0.1
2	1.1	1.1	0.9	0.8
3	6.6	6.6	6.3	5.9
4	29.1	21.1	18.6	16.4
5	107.0	47.0	33.8	30.4
6	173.1	101.1	67.6	61.6
7	367.5	247.5	146.5	134.5
8	693.0	573.0	343.0	331.0
9	1,165.5	1,045.5	642.5	630.5
10	1,666.8	1,497.8	942.8	930.8

There is a lot to build, but there is some good news in the chart as well. First, the lower levels simply do not take that long (for example, if you had three builders, you could be a fully upgrade level five in a little over one month). Second, a lot of this is simply not necessary to advance forward in the game.

I have met a number of people that advise to max out everything before upgrading to the next town hall. I think this is very poor advice. In my view, you need to do what maximizes your income and enjoyment of the game. Players should find it much easier to get 100,000 gold for whatever reason at town hall 7 than they will find it at town hall four. With proper care, they can make sure that is true.

If you have only three builders you could maximize town hall 6 (and presumably ready to seven) in 51 days. If you limited your collectors to level 7, that would drop to 34 days. If you only upgrade your defenses to two less than the maximum, now only a 23 days. If you only upgrade a few of your barracks to maximum and leave the others one or two levels down, 21 days. If that reduced base can work well for you, it has taken you only half the time to upgrade to TH7 and get access to a really strong army.

The balance will depend on how often and how long you play. If you raid a lot and stay online, you may find that you depend on your defenses a lot less than someone who attacks occasionally and spread out throughout the day.

Assuming you can attack several times in a relatively short period, I recommend you “rush” all the way to town hall 7. Fundamentally, you should be able to generate enough resources from raiding and use them immediately for building, so that your primary “defense” is simply that you are generating enough income you can afford for other people to attack you occasionally and that when they do, you don’t have that much on hand. Depending on how much time you can work in for clash of clans and whether or not you use gems to boost barracks production (remember hoard gems until you have five builders) and whether your attacks are spread out or in one block of time, you will eventually reach a point where you need to save for things and giving people an open door to your resource storage is not going to help. Also remember that as your town hall goes up, the game penalizes you if you attack lower levels. For those how can only get five attacks or less a day, I recommend you don’t blast through town hall level 7. TH7 is a particularly attractive place to catch up because you can still take out relatively wealthy TH6s while having access to armies that can attack stronger players. If you are boosting barracks, can work your schedule to continuously check in, or simply can devote a lot of time to Clash of Clans, you may be better suited to keep pushing on to TH8 or higher. Ultimately, it will be a decision based on what is working for you.

The balance will depend on how often and how long you play. If you raid a lot and stay online, you may find that you depend on your defenses a lot less than someone who attacks occasionally and spread out throughout the day.

With this in mind, here is the building strategy I use.

1. Build to support your strategy. Assuming that you are going to follow my raiding strategy, that means you will need to prioritize getting your army camps built and fully upgraded as quickly as possible and making sure your laboratory is upgraded if doing so will allow you to upgrade your raiding army. Do not neglect your offense as you advance your town hall. That can lead to some hard landings where you are too weak to attack other players at or one level below your town hall.
2. Don’t waste time with mines and elixir collectors. Note, I said don’t “waste” time, not “don’t build them.” With enough raiding, you can earn FAR more attacking than the collectors will get for you. This is a valuable place to cut corners. Nearly half the time to achieve a maxed out TH6 is spent on mines and collectors. If you have enough income from raiding, you are better off moving up to TH7 than you are waiting for those things to build. Mines and collectors are great “fillers” though. If you are trying to save up for that next hidden tesla upgrade, putting your spare builder on a mine upgrade will avoid wasting time. All in all, I recommend you aim to get your collectors to level 6 or 7. This way, you don’t lose resources when they prematurely fill up, but you also avoid pushing into the day long builds of 8 and above.
3. Generally, keep all buildings and walls within 1 level of the highest level of the same type. Usually, the incremental advantage of a building upgrade is about the same for each level; however, the cost of the higher level upgrades is considerably higher. So, better to have two level three archer towers than one level four and one level two. Barracks are a notable exception.
4. Only upgrade your barracks to the highest “convenient” level. Usually, this will mean that at least one barracks is very high (perhaps maxed out), so that you can get the newest “toy.” The rest of the barracks need to be set up to build your armies efficiently. You don’t need all your barracks able to make wizards if you only use a few for wars and the rest of the time you use low level troops. For convenience, I like having my barracks high enough that I can queue my entire regular army at one time. Also, if I use a lot of a unit, I want to make sure that multiple barracks can produce it (example, you may want multiple wizard barracks if you plan to donate a lot of them for clan wars). Finally, before upgrading a barracks, consider how inconvenient it will be not having it. If it is your highest level barracks, you may want to get two at the same level so that you can still produce that healer when you go for dragons (as an example).
5. Try to time your builders so that you have a constant stream of builders completing work. That can mean delaying a particular project because it would finish up the same time as two other upgrades. It is most important to make sure multiday projects don’t leave you without builders for several days. I also pick projects to try and get builders available at good times. For example, I might avoid a two hour upgrade right before going to sleep, but instead do an eight hour project and then do the two hour project first thing the next day. Now faced with mostly multiday upgrades, I save some of the minor projects (upgrading elixir storage) to get my builders to the beginning of the day (when it is convenient for me) instead of midafternoon (where they end up after I cannot get to them because of real world responsibilities).
6. Build every building a level has to offer before moving forward. I do this mostly so that I can plan for my layouts. Honestly, this is not entirely consistent with my overall message; however, if you never build the building, it is hard to assess how useful it is. There is an exception to my guidance, while I really like the barbarian king, you may not have enough dark elixir while at level 7 to build him. Feel free to wait until TH8.

4. Raid efficiently so that you can “fund” your activities.
Raiding is a critical source of funds in clash of clans. You can use raiding to trophy push or get revenge, but the utility of raiding comes in getting funds to build more troops and a better base. If you are aggressive in your raiding, you can easily compensate for having fewer collectors or getting attacked when you are away.

There are perhaps four critical factors in raiding for resources.

1. Queue the right army
2. Picking the right target
3. Deploy appropriately
4. Wait for your army to finish building.
5. Repeat as quickly as possible

First, please note that step one is “Queue the right army” instead of “Build the right army.” The reason for this is the best way to raid is to already have your army built, queue your next army, and then raid. Depending on how much time you spend searching for your target and how many troops you deploy, you may come back to your base to find that most of your troops are already built. I find an added bonus is that it is psychologically much easier to donate troops early in the build cycle than when I am ready to attack. One other item on queuing up the troops – try to keep the build times for all the barracks the same. That will speed things up later.

The best resource army is going to be the one that enables one to capture as much as possible in a given amount of time while minimizing costs. Because you get to choose your target, this does not have to be a well-rounded army. While others will have varying opinions, I find a handful of wall breakers plus an even split of archers and barbarians to be the most efficient resource raiding army. For the wall breakers, I bring one more (for back up) than is required to punch through my target wall. For a TH7, this army would ideally be 3 wall breakers, 97 barbarians, and 97 archers. If you have lower level wall breakers or smaller army camps, you will have a different mix.

A critical stage for this army happens in TH7 when you can have about 97 level 4 archers and barbarians. Lower level town halls need to build toward this ideal as quickly as possible. Because there is not an army camp upgrade at TH8, the army for TH7 is close to on par with TH8. While the level 5 upgrade is well worth it, it is small enough that I would I think the disadvantages of rushing to TH8 outweigh the advantages. Also, in my experience, by the time I got to TH7, I had enough resources in storage that enemy raids started hurting enough that I wanted to upgrade walls and defenses to discourage that sort of thing.

So, why is this the “right” army over others? It is simple. Archers and barbs are cheap and can be built very fast. This means you can attack several times in the time that a more sophisticated army would be built. Second, it is surprisingly effective. You can use it to grab exposed resources and pick up a one star or you can unleash the entire thing at once and try to gut the opponent’s base. Add goblins and you slow down the build time. Switch to only archers or only barbarians and you make it much less flexible and less powerful. Giants can help, but really are not necessary for this tactic. I only include a few wall breakers so that I can punch through a single wall allowing my archers quicker access to the inner part of a base. Most limitations to this army can be addressed simply by attacking the right opponent.

Picking the correct target is a critical step. Frequently, I see replays of “successful” attacks where I find myself asking “why did they even attack that guy?” So, what makes a good target? First, there needs to be a lot of resources. How much is a lot? For TH7 and TH8 in the 1000 to 1500 trophy range, typically, I would say start looking for at least 100,000 of both elixir and gold. You may start a little lower until you get confidence, but if you always find your target after one or two minutes of searching, you probably need to raise your standards. For TH6, outside this trophy range, I would start in the 50,000 range and then see how you can get. Your standards may also need to change depending on when you attack. On weekends, the ideal targets seem to be a bit scarcer.
Before settling on a target, you need to determine where the loot is. If it is buried deep in the base and its defenses are up to snuff, move on. Ideally, you will find a base that has been abandoned. There you will find all of the gold and elixir in the mines and collectors and none (or very little) in storage. Visually, if you see little or no gold or elixir in eve the low level storages, you can be reasonably confident you know where the resources are. Of course, there are many possibilities. With lower trophies you may find tragically bad bases that are easy to clean out or there is some aspect of the defense that makes you confident that you can destroy everything. I generally just look for two things in my initial scan. “Are gold and elixir roughly the same” (one potential sign that it is not sitting in storage) and “are the elixir collectors full” (easier to spot on my phone than the gold in mines).

OK, so now you have found a base with a lot of loot and you have a mass of archers and barbarians to raid. How do you do it? Starting with whatever resource I am most interested in, I deploy about a line of barbarians in as close as I can to the target. The exact number is not important to me. I usually swipe fast enough that there is about two barbarians per building I am trying to destroy. I then immediately deploy a line of archers behind the barbarians. I may have the same or slightly more archers depending on how well defended I think the target is. Even when there is a wall, it is important to lead with barbarians so that they attract the opponent’s defensive fire.

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Deploying Barbarians

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Archers Following Up (A few extra for that second row of buildings)

Your first few times, I recommend you watch how effective your troops are. If they are not meeting your objectives, consider adding more barbarians or archers. The goal is to have enough to finish off the targets, but not much more. Also, you want these guys to deploy quickly, but not in a bunch. A slow trickle can be easily picked off. A giant cluster can get wiped out by splash defenses. Repeat this attack for all parts of the base with vulnerable resources.

Occasionally, you may want to use wall breakers if there is either a very large group of resources right behind the wall (opening up them for your barbarians) or there are resources that are just a little deeper in the base that you want to get with your archers. In this case, deploy your barbarians first and then send in the appropriate number of wall breakers (keeping your spare in reserve). Remember, wall breakers are particularly vulnerable to cannon and can be easily killed if they run into the area at the same time a mortar lands on your barbarians. Cannon will shoot at the barbarians as long as they are there first. You should be able to dodge mortars simply being a little careful to offset your wall breaker’s attack.

Once you have torn up the majority of their resources, you need to make a decision – stop or keep going. Stopping may result in a defeat. If you have plenty of trophies, this is not a big deal (personally, I find that I need to drop trophies more often than not). Make sure you are being objective when you decide whether or not you need to win a battle. Walking away may mean you get to attack again in just a few minutes.

If you decide to keep going, you will probably find most targets have enough vulnerable buildings that you can get a one star victory. Of course, if the person has their town hall outside their walls, this will be easier. Even if they do not, killing off the resource and “other” buildings outside or within the first layer of the walls will usually be enough to one star. Use this final phase to adjust your trophies and stay in a comfortable range.

Before I wrap this section up, I should mention a few more things. First, the other typical archer-barbarian attack is to deploy as many archers and barbarians as quickly as possible on one vulnerable side of the base. This is much more likely to gut your opponent’s base, but it may leave resources on the other side if you do not three star it. The all-in approach is more powerful than the surgical version that I use; however, its results can be a lot more random. Also, the surgical version can be effective even against heavily defended bases (as long as their resources are toward the outside). That is not true for the all-in version. Second, I should point out that in my raiding, I frequently do not try to bait clan troops, kill off heroes, or trigger traps first. It is partially sloppiness on my part, but it is also a product of two important factors. One, I am hunting for inactive towns (so clan troops are not common). Two, usually in my wave attacks, my troops are spread out enough and I have enough spares at the end that I can compensate for any troops lost to traps, clan troops, or heroes for that matter. The last item I should mention is spells. In general, I don’t use spells in raiding (though I always have them in reserve). Spells take longer to prepare than the army, so you cannot depend on them and keep up the same attack rate. Also, this army is so cheap that if you use spells, you may more than double the cost of your attack. Often, elixir is plentiful, so this is not so critical, but if you are finding you occasionally need to raid for elixir, you may want to consider if you are using spells when you don’t really need them.

Once your attack is finished, it is time to wait for the new troops. Depending on how long your search took and how many troops you brought back, this may only be a few minutes. If you did bring troops back, make sure to go back and tweak your training queues. Because I frequently do not use the wall breakers, I try to leave them at the end of the training queues when I go to war so that I have a chance to get rid of them when I come back.

Remember that as long as you are online, no one will attack your base. For me, this is a convenient time to use a different device to check mail, type this article, or such. A few minutes later, it is time to repeat the process. On a good day, I can get one million gold and one million elixir in about an hour. The biggest obstacle to having a good day is getting impatient in the search and attacking someone I should not attack.

5. Follow simple rules and copy others when laying out your town.
I am not going to include anything nearly as long as the raiding section on base building. Getting into the really fine points of base building is something many others have done and honestly one that depends on a lot of factors.

The first thing I will say for your base is that you really need to consider your objectives. If your goal is to be a powerful TH10, trophy pushing at TH7 may not be the fastest way to get there. For those reading this with the goal to really improve, I strongly recommend you create a base that protects your resource storage, your defenses, and nothing else. Perfect is a base that you left enough space that you can easily move your town hall in and out of the center. Town halls outside your base can provoke people to attack them which does cost you trophies, but gets you a quick 12 hour shield (preventing someone doing something even worse). If you do park your town hall outside your base, make sure edit your war base.

I do recommend you look for a base online to copy. It probably is best to only pick ones where you can also see commentary on the base. As long as you are picking one that is pretty good for farming or as a hybrid base, you should be fine. Many war and trophy bases will be OK as well, but you will need to be more careful before just adopting one of those.

As you evaluate a base or build your own, remember a few simple rules:

1. Protect your resource storage. Keep them near defenses and behind walls.
2. Make attackers break multiple walls. A single big wall is can be defeated once by wall breakers before the fight has even really started. Multiple interior walls will keep hordes from tearing through the base.
3. Keep mortars and air defenses toward the center of your base, but don’t put them right next to each other.
4. Use low value buildings (barracks, army camps, mines, spell factors, etc.) as a buffer around your town. This will keep troops from popping up right next to your wall. Keep them close enough that your archer towers and canon can attack any enemies attacking them. They can buy you time to defeat the enemy. You can consider putting buildings in the far corners of the map to reduce the chance you get three starred as well.
5. Before you add traps or hidden teslas to your base, make sure that all open ground within your walls is adjacent to a building or a while. Also make sure you do not have any decorations inside your walls. Open spots that are not adjacent to other structures and decorations are places enemies can appear in. Traps and hidden teslas can make it hard to see these spaces.
6. Keep resources spread out if possible. A big row of all mines or all elixir collectors is a very easy target.
7. Watch replays against your base to find the weaknesses.
8. As mentioned above, for the most part, keep your buildings and walls balanced. One side with really strong walls does not help if the enemy can just attack the other side.

The rules above all have exceptions, but I think they make good rules of thumb.

If you have made it all the way through this tome, you have impressive stamina. While I have gone on for a long time, I hope the details I have provided both show you that you can grow to higher levels quickly and provide enough details for you to get there. Focus on keeping your builders busy. Use very efficient raiding to generate the gold and elixir you need to pay for everything and then use your surplus to splurge on trophy pushes, getting revenge, or glory in wars.

Were you in the clan DeadlyPleasures at any point?

Great guide!

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Were you in the clan DeadlyPleasures at any point?

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Can't say that I was. Do I remind you of someone?

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Originally Posted by KingJulius

Great guide!

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Thank you.

Any constructive criticism? Difference of opinion?

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3. Be smart about what you build and when you build it.
There are a lot of ways to be smart about building. I won’t pretend to know what is exactly the best order to build everything, but there are still some general rules that can help.

First, if you have ever wondered how long it will take to build everything, here is what it takes to max out the various town halls in builder days (i.e. 1 builder for 1 day). I have excluded upgrading the archer queen, the barbarian king, and all the various trap upgrades from this count.

“Builder Days” to Needed to Achieve Various Levels

Townhall Level	Max	Reduced Collectors	+ Weaker Defenses	+ Reduced Barracks
1	0.1	0.1	0.1	0.1
2	1.1	1.1	0.9	0.8
3	6.6	6.6	6.3	5.9
4	29.1	21.1	18.6	16.4
5	107.0	47.0	33.8	30.4
6	173.1	101.1	67.6	61.6
7	367.5	247.5	146.5	134.5
8	693.0	552.0	322.0	310.0
9	1,165.5	1016.5	613.5	601.5
10	1,666.8	1497.8	913.8	901.8

There is a lot to build, but there is some good news in the chart as well. First, the lower levels simply do not take that long (for example, if you had three builders, you could be a fully upgrade level five in a little over one month). Second, a lot of this is simply not necessary to advance forward in the game.

I have met a number of people that advise to max out everything before upgrading to the next town hall. I think this is very poor advice. In my view, you need to do what maximizes your income and enjoyment of the game. Players should find it much easier to get 100,000 gold for whatever reason at town hall 7 than they will find it at town hall four. With proper care, they can make sure that is true.

Assume you have only three builders you could maximize town hall 6 (and presumably ready to seven) in 51 days. If you limited your collectors to level 7, that would drop to 34 days. If you only upgrade your defenses to two less than the maximum, now only a 23 days. If you only upgrade a few of your barracks to maximum and leave the others one or two levels down, 21 days. If that reduced base can work well for you, it has taken you only half the time to upgrade to TH7 and get access to a really strong army.

The balance will depend on how often and how long you play. If you raid a lot and stay online, you may find that you depend on your defenses a lot less than someone who attacks occasionally and spread out throughout the day.
Assuming you can attack several times in a relatively short period, I recommend you “rush” all the way to town hall 7. Fundamentally, you should be able to generate enough resources from raiding and use them immediately for building, so that your primary “defense” is simply that you are generating enough income you can afford for other people to attack you occasionally and that when they do, you don’t have that much on hand. That said, don’t blast through town hall 7. Eventually, you are going to need to save for things and giving people an open door to your resource storage is not going to help. Also remember that as your town hall goes up, the game penalizes you if you attack lower levels. TH7 is a particularly attractive place to catch up because you can still take out relatively wealthy TH6s while having access to armies that can attack stronger players.

With this in mind, here is the building strategy I use.

1. Build to support your strategy. Assuming that you are going to follow my raiding strategy, that means you will need to prioritize getting your army camps built and fully upgraded as quickly as possible and making sure your laboratory is upgraded if doing so will allow you to upgrade your raiding army.
2. Don’t waste time with mines and elixir collectors. Note, I said don’t “waste” time, not “don’t build them.” If you can raid enough, you can earn FAR more attacking than the collectors will get for you. This is a valuable place to cut corners. Nearly half the time to achieve a maxed out TH6 is spent on mines and collectors. If you have enough income from raiding, you are better off moving up to TH7 than you are waiting for those things to build. Mines and collectors are great “fillers” though. If you are trying to save up for that next hidden tesla upgrade, putting your spare builder on a mine upgrade will avoid wasting time. All in all, I recommend you aim to get your collectors to level 6 or 7. This way, you don’t lose resources when they prematurely fill up, but you also avoid pushing into the day long builds of 8 and above.
3. Generally, keep all buildings and walls within 1 level of the highest level of the same type. Usually, the incremental advantage of a building upgrade is about the same for each level; however, the cost of the higher level upgrades is considerably higher. So, better to have two level three archer towers than one level four and one level two. Barracks are a notable exception.
4. Only upgrade your barracks to the highest “convenient” level. Usually, this will mean that at least one barracks is very high (perhaps maxed out), so that you can get the newest “toy.” The rest of the barracks need to be set up to build your armies efficiently. You don’t need all your barracks able to make wizards if you only use a few for wars and the rest of the time you use low level troops. For convenience, I like having my barracks high enough that I can queue my entire regular army at one time. Also, if I use a lot of a unit, I want to make sure that multiple barracks can produce it (example, you may want multiple wizard barracks if you plan to donate a lot of them for clan wars). Finally, before upgrading a barracks, consider how inconvenient it will be not having it. If it is your highest level barracks, you may want to get two at the same level so that you can still produce that healer when you go for dragons (as an example).
5. Try to time your builders so that you have a constant stream of builders completing work. That can mean delaying a particular project because it would finish up the same time as two other upgrades. It is most important to make sure multiday projects don’t leave you without builders for several days. I also pick projects to try and get builders available at good times. For example, I might avoid a two hour upgrade right before going to sleep, but instead do an eight hour project and then do the two hour project first thing the next day. Now faced with mostly multiday upgrades, I save some of the minor projects (upgrading elixir storage) to get my builders to the beginning of the day (when it is convenient for me) instead of midafternoon (where they end up after I cannot get to them because of real world responsibilities).
6. Build every building a level has to offer before moving forward. I do this mostly so that I can plan for my layouts. Honestly, this is not entirely consistent with my overall message; however, if you never build the building, it is hard to assess how useful it is. There is an exception to my guidance, while I really like the barbarian king, you may not have enough dark elixir while at level 7 to build him. Feel free to wait until TH8.

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This has to be the best post I have ever seen on the forums, you nailed it right in the head. Selective building is so much better then Max Everything herd mentality. Will reference this post a lot in my new video series. Thanks.

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This has to be the best post I have ever seen on the forums, you nailed it right in the head. Selective building is so much better then Max Everything herd mentality. Will reference this post a lot in my new video series. Thanks.

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^^^ this!

I max all my defenses and upgrade all the troops I regularly use, I try to get maxed out walls at least half way done before moving...as for mines/collectors, I'm a TH8, and aside from the dark drill, none of my drills are maxed. I raid a lot...I just upgrade mines when I don't want 5 builders going at the same time working all on defense. Usually, I have 4 going while the other builder is used for walls...that way I never have any gold, which makes my base less appealing to raid.

Great guide

Two words - Great Guide!

I want to read this but I have ADD.

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This has to be the best post I have ever seen on the forums, you nailed it right in the head. Selective building is so much better then Max Everything herd mentality. Will reference this post a lot in my new video series. Thanks.

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Thank you. I appreciate that.

Bumping because this needs to be stickied.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKl-YXUZePw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKl-YXUZePw

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Thanks for the call out in your video. I got to say you have a hard core focus - though it makes sense given what you said your playing situation is.

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Thanks for the call out in your video. I got to say you have a hard core focus - though it makes sense given what you said your playing situation is.

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Well, I wouldn't really recommend it for anyone its more to prove a point that it can be done without gems and barely any effort.

Awesome post. I have heard from many people that the max everything policy is the best but this is the first time that i have seen any evidence supporting it. I am pretty much a max th8 with the exception of 3 AT and maxing out my base has caused me to have 4-5 of my builders sit idle with nothing to do for countless days. A definite 5 star on this thread

What about segregating troops, protecting the CC, and protecting the Gem Box!!! Lol, jk nice job!

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What about segregating troops, protecting the CC, and protecting the Gem Box!!! Lol, jk nice job!

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Man, I forgot protecting the gem box! Fortunately, I was planning a second edition, I'll have to work it in then. :cool:

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Man, I forgot protecting the gem box! Fortunately, I was planning a second edition, I'll have to work it in then. :cool:

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The gem box is the most important part of the gem.

I just edited the article. If you have already read it, it is probably not worth reading to find out what I changed.

It's a really good guide, thanks for the time and effort!

Just one question, what level collectors, defenses and barracks are used for the data in the builder time chart in their respective townhall level?

I started out with a very similar philosphy. However, I am nearing the end of the road for th 8 and some of the general rules you listed (which were great) may change with your motivations over time. I'm sure I'm not the only one who enjoys winning clan wars for mostly pride reasons. This has made me re-evaluate how I upgrade. For example it becomes tough at the end of Th8 to keep 5 builders busy with important defense upgrades. To fill the time between important upgrades I upgraded collectors. My theory is that with the same ammount of buildings to destroy in order to get 50% of my base, I would be able to defend against the first star more easily if all of those buildings had higher HP. This also gives my defenses more time to kill attacking troops. I hadn't really discussed this idea with my clan much because everyone is very into max th before the next, so I was wondering if anyone else had put any thought into upgrading for war efficiency.

but thanks again for the post, I agree this is one of the higher quality original posts I have seen

I miss the: Focus on Heroes before anything else part...

If you keep upgrading your defenses at 9, your Heroes will be about level 15. Which in time will result in your Town Hall 10 defenses to be maxed out, but your Heroes not. 3 idle builders for the rest of your live, while not being maxed out. If your hero builders are done, they can help on the defenses. If the defense builders are done, they can't help your hero builders.

Get your King and Queen to 30 at 9, then upgrade your Town Hall, then do some collectors, cannons or barracks or stuff while you wait for your hall to finish.

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It's a really good guide, thanks for the time and effort!

Just one question, what level collectors, defenses and barracks are used for the data in the builder time chart in their respective townhall level?

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In the article, it has the following text:

If you have only three builders you could maximize town hall 6 (and presumably ready to seven) in 51 days. If you limited your collectors to level 7, that would drop to 34 days. If you only upgrade your defenses to two less than the maximum, now only a 23 days. If you only upgrade a few of your barracks to maximum and leave the others one or two levels down, 21 days. If that reduced base can work well for you, it has taken you only half the time to upgrade to TH7 and get access to a really strong army.

My calculations converting that text into specific levels are shown in the chart below (click to make it full size or if it does not fit in well on your screen). I highlighted the values that depart from the maximum for that level (yellow = 1 less than max, orange = 2 less, red = 3+ less). The stars are for the buildings that weren't included in the calculation (walls take no time, heroes were excluded). Traps are not on the list (also excluded).

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Note that these precise levels are a little arbitrary on my part. I wanted something close enough that it would be representative of the strategy in these areas, but not so aggressive that it would be really "gross" (example all level 2 defenses by TH10). One might bias with a little more sophistication. For example, someone farming might decide to have some conspicuous defenses upgraded (to discourage attackers) while not favoring ones that are not as easily noticed (either because two levels look very similar or they are hidden teslas and cannot be seen until attacking). Someone trying to trophy hunt might prioritize the reverse. Also note that I did not discount dark elixir buildings at all. I really focused the article on getting into and well started on town hall level 8, so this was less of a concern. I also was trying to keep this relatively simple. Were I to apply an even more sophisticated rule set, I would probably also delay building specific storage upgrades until just before they were needed, customize my barracks strategy by which units I like more, etc.

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I miss the: Focus on Heroes before anything else part...

If you keep upgrading your defenses at 9, your Heroes will be about level 15. Which in time will result in your Town Hall 10 defenses to be maxed out, but your Heroes not. 3 idle builders for the rest of your live, while not being maxed out. If your hero builders are done, they can help on the defenses. If the defense builders are done, they can't help your hero builders.

Get your King and Queen to 30 at 9, then upgrade your Town Hall, then do some collectors, cannons or barracks or stuff while you wait for your hall to finish.

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Excellent point to a fantastic post. Lots of thought went into this one, thanks for sharing mate.

Cheers,
Jester

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In the article, it has the following text:

If you have only three builders you could maximize town hall 6 (and presumably ready to seven) in 51 days. If you limited your collectors to level 7, that would drop to 34 days. If you only upgrade your defenses to two less than the maximum, now only a 23 days. If you only upgrade a few of your barracks to maximum and leave the others one or two levels down, 21 days. If that reduced base can work well for you, it has taken you only half the time to upgrade to TH7 and get access to a really strong army.

My calculations converting that text into specific levels are shown in the chart below (click to make it full size or if it does not fit in well on your screen). I highlighted the values that depart from the maximum for that level (yellow = 1 less than max, orange = 2 less, red = 3+ less). The stars are for the buildings that weren't included in the calculation (walls take no time, heroes were excluded). Traps are not on the list (also excluded).

Note that these precise levels are a little arbitrary on my part. I wanted something close enough that it would be representative of the strategy in these areas, but not so aggressive that it would be really "gross" (example all level 2 defenses by TH10). One might bias with a little more sophistication. For example, someone farming might decide to have some conspicuous defenses upgraded (to discourage attackers) while not favoring ones that are not as easily noticed (either because two levels look very similar or they are hidden teslas and cannot be seen until attacking). Someone trying to trophy hunt might prioritize the reverse. Also note that I did not discount dark elixir buildings at all. I really focused the article on getting into and well started on town hall level 8, so this was less of a concern. I also was trying to keep this relatively simple. Were I to apply an even more sophisticated rule set, I would probably also delay building specific storage upgrades until just before they were needed, customize my barracks strategy by which units I like more, etc.

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I am truly impressive, great data collection and analysis. Once again, deeply appreciate your efforts

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I miss the: Focus on Heroes before anything else part...

If you keep upgrading your defenses at 9, your Heroes will be about level 15. Which in time will result in your Town Hall 10 defenses to be maxed out, but your Heroes not. 3 idle builders for the rest of your live, while not being maxed out. If your hero builders are done, they can help on the defenses. If the defense builders are done, they can't help your hero builders.

Get your King and Queen to 30 at 9, then upgrade your Town Hall, then do some collectors, cannons or barracks or stuff while you wait for your hall to finish.

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A few comments from me on this one. The first simply a good natured ribbing about a level 30 archer queen being included in an "intermediate" guide.

If one counts the king and queen as defense (fair enough since they are both offensive and defensive), they represent 47% of the "new" defensive upgrades (as measured by time) for TH9 and 54% of the time for TH10. If one's goal is to max out as quickly as possible, they have to be a priority because as you mentioned once you finish the other upgrades, the builders not working the heroes will have nothing else to do.

In the spirit of the article, I wouldn't be able to support the position that one should wait at TH9 until they were level 30. TH10 opens up 20 more troops from better army camps and there are still more lab upgrades for TH10 as well. In the spirit of the article, your position could be amended to point out before one begins the TH9 defensive upgrades that if the king and the queen are not constantly being upgraded they will not be finished at the same time as all the other defenses - assuming one keeps ones builders busy. If one starts those upgrades at TH9 or TH10 would depend on the player. Whether or not one pushes through TH9 without completing all upgrades, still falls back to the theme of the article - the more frequently and effectively you attack the more you will benefit moving forward to accelerate your offense and the less you need to wait for your defense to get really tough.

front page news again, at least it should be.

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Awesome post. I have heard from many people that the max everything policy is the best but this is the first time that i have seen any evidence supporting it. I am pretty much a max th8 with the exception of 3 AT and maxing out my base has caused me to have 4-5 of my builders sit idle with nothing to do for countless days. A definite 5 star on this thread

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Tilly, I am not sure I quite understand your response. If anything, I would think this article provides evidence for not maxing out your base. I definitely would say that if you hit the point that your builders will be idle because you are waiting to max out, that you are missing opportunities to improve your offense which can bring more benefits.

Town hall 8 is a good place to catch up (as I mentioned), since it allows you good access to wealthy TH7s and you are still powerful enough to collect resources from TH9s. Still, if it were me, I would not hang out in TH8 with idle builders before moving on to TH9. Exactly, when you move one is going to depend on your playing pattern. If you are bringing in lots of resources (several millions per day), then go soon - your fate is determined by your attacks. If you are brining in less (I will assume that your builders are idle because you need to collect gold), then you should be more conservative, but personally, I think you are close enough (assuming your walls are reasonable).

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I started out with a very similar philosphy. However, I am nearing the end of the road for th 8 and some of the general rules you listed (which were great) may change with your motivations over time. I'm sure I'm not the only one who enjoys winning clan wars for mostly pride reasons. This has made me re-evaluate how I upgrade. For example it becomes tough at the end of Th8 to keep 5 builders busy with important defense upgrades. To fill the time between important upgrades I upgraded collectors. My theory is that with the same ammount of buildings to destroy in order to get 50% of my base, I would be able to defend against the first star more easily if all of those buildings had higher HP. This also gives my defenses more time to kill attacking troops. I hadn't really discussed this idea with my clan much because everyone is very into max th before the next, so I was wondering if anyone else had put any thought into upgrading for war efficiency.

but thanks again for the post, I agree this is one of the higher quality original posts I have seen

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Actually, at TH9, I occasionally upgrade collectors as well. For me, it is not the reasons that you state above, but instead because of my desire to have a a free builder every day (if possible) to make sure I am not sitting on too much gold. Since some of my collectors have shorter build times, it makes it easier for me to manage the builders against the much longer upgrades I have with everything else. I have also used them when I was not quite sure if I would get enough resources to complete an important upgrade later in the day. The penalty for stopping the collector upgrades was small enough that I was willing to risk doing so. Two unintended benefits from not depending on the collectors in earlier town halls.

Dudes this actually works really well, I have past on to some of my clan members & all are progressing well a BIG Thanks!!