How do you use wall breakers now?

I attempt to attack a poorly designed box village, I have 8 wall breakers, barbarians, and archers. I place barbs down to distract the defenses, then place down 2 WB's who immediately run off to the left of where they were placed only to get shot by cannon. I repeat this pattern 4 times, each time the WB's would go left or right of where I placed them, making the barb distraction useless. At least on the 4th attempt, ONE WB hit.... Soooooo, how do you use WB's? Has the game been manipulated to the point that if Supercell allows, a WB will hit a wall?

sounds like you're just planning out your wb pathing very poorly

I just don't.

I use them to blow up walls. What else?

At this point I've nearly figured out where WBs would go, so unless I'm tired or feeling arrogant I usually will get a sucessful hit.

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Originally Posted by bouges

I attempt to attack a poorly designed box village, I have 8 wall breakers, barbarians, and archers. I place barbs down to distract the defenses, then place down 2 WB's who immediately run off to the left of where they were placed only to get shot by cannon. I repeat this pattern 4 times, each time the WB's would go left or right of where I placed them, making the barb distraction useless. At least on the 4th attempt, ONE WB hit.... Soooooo, how do you use WB's? Has the game been manipulated to the point that if Supercell allows, a WB will hit a wall?

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Breakers will always go towards corners if close enough. This is why a good base design can deter good attacks. I would suggest changing the point of entry into the base. Each base has several weak and strong points.

It seems like the wb AI has follow the new AI that units target the same wall. Im not so sure but it feels like it

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Originally Posted by dxngooyen7

sounds like you're just planning out your wb pathing very poorly

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Nope. I have used WB's extensively with success. There is nothing, no skill, no placement that will make any difference when the WB's go on a route that leads to them getting shot. Had the WB's ran straight from where they were placed, they would have hit. I did the same thing 4 times, place down distraction, place WB's and it only partially worked once when really, if the game mechanics were not manipulated should have worked every time, or at least at a better percentage than 1 for 7.

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Originally Posted by Firehouse

Breakers will always go towards corners if close enough. This is why a good base design can deter good attacks. I would suggest changing the point of entry into the base. Each base has several weak and strong points.

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This was not a well designed base... it was a box with everything in the middle.

Wow! Your coordinates of ur wb are waaaaaaaaayyyy off! It is not an ai change it is that u put ur wb's on the wrong coordinate!!!

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Originally Posted by Radiating

I use them to blow up walls. What else?

At this point I've nearly figured out where WBs would go, so unless I'm tired or feeling arrogant I usually will get a sucessful hit.

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Yeah... That is how it should be, but that does not explain why WB's would so wildly veer left or right from where they are placed. What is the point of placing a WB in an area with a wall directly in front of it only to have the WB run off in a different direction? This really is a little thing, haha troops be stoopid, but it is a PURE example of the game being manipulated which brings into question the integrity of the game manufacturer. Why should we pay money for a product that don't work right?

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Originally Posted by DeathVillage

Wow! Your coordinates of ur wb are waaaaaaaaayyyy off! It is not an ai change it is that u put ur wb's on the wrong coordinate!!!

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Oh okay... So if I want a wall broken, I should place the wall breaker waaaaaay left or right from the point I want it to be broken at? Placing the WB directly in front of the place wanted broken is a bad idea?

i agree with d OP , the wbs have some AI problems , even giants also !

They tend to target already damaged walls, but you are having big problems with them then just use a jump spell instead.

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Originally Posted by dxngooyen7

sounds like you're just planning out your wb pathing very poorly

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This guy had it right.

wall breakers go the nearest compartment of walls, not wall :)

so you placed wallbreakers, they didn't go where you wanted them to go, then you kept placing them in the same place expecting different results, didn't get them, then made a thread about it. Seems legit

I use them to blow up walls, same thing as always.

I just use them to break walls

The same way I always have? <.<

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Originally Posted by rXEviL

so you placed wallbreakers, they didn't go where you wanted them to go, then you kept placing them in the same place expecting different results, didn't get them, then made a thread about it. Seems legit

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Not at all... I did get different results. Sent out 4 sets, 3 of 4 went left or right. What I am saying, if the programming is legit, they should have all gone to the same place. WB's failing due to something like a mortar blast or defenses that is set far enough inside that a distraction doesn't have an effect is great, but WB's that run wild is just stupid bad game mechanics.

You need to understand the AI of wall breakers. They target nearest building surrounded by walls.

Here's what i do (normally) :rolleyes:


1. Deploy lone barbs to trigger any poorly set traps and draw out CC and then lightning them
2. Send in more barbs + a handful of archers to clear the area where i want to mass deploy.
3. Once cleared, send in a squad of giants to draw incoming fire.
4. If there is a mortar in range, wait for the cannon ball to explode on the ground.
5. Drop 2-3 wall breakers.
6. Walls down.
7. Send in all giants
8. Wait for 2nd/3rd mortar fire, deploy more wallbreakers
9. Send in barbs + archers and then BK
10. Wait for 3rd/4th mortar fire, deploy the rest of the wall breakers
11. Drop wizards/clan castle (if needed)
12. Send in AQ
13. Start dropping heal spells on giants if they come under arcane fire from wizard towers.
14. Drop rage if necessary on wizards/AQ
15. Sit back and watch ur troops plunder or get plundered.

Edit: I won't be responsible for any horribly failed attacks. Deployment is situational. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by brlight

You need to understand the AI of wall breakers. They target nearest building surrounded by walls.

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that's the best answer

1) Drop 2 giants separately to distract defenses
2) Drop wb in the middle of them

Life is simple, my friend

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Originally Posted by brlight

You need to understand the AI of wall breakers. They target nearest building surrounded by walls.

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This X2 wallbreakers are dumb troops you need to understand what they look for prior to dropping them.

THE UPDATE CHANGED THE WB AI. This is why you are now having problems.

Basically, WBs now preferentially target damaged walls, even if those damaged walls were just nicked and sometimes even over other compartments that have buildings in them. So if any of your cover troops happend to hit a wall semi-nearby, the WBs like to zoom off to that spot instead of the poorly designed T junction. If the wall has multiple spots damaged, it can lead to one zooming off one way and another zooming off another way. Even compartments that have been cleared out can have WBs still target them.

Stupid move on Supercell's part? Yes, very much so. Base designs with crappy outward facing T junctions are actually not that bad anymore due to the WBs unpredictability. Hopefully they fix them soon because right now the WB AI is pathetic.

Before anyone accuses me of not knowing what I'm talking about, my primary farming army has been WallBAG for many months now. I used to be able to precision target poorly designed junctions even inside bases. Not anymore. Also, I'm an ex game designer who worked for a very large company for many years. Understanding and tuning AI was part of my job description. I've watched replays and have seen exactly why the WBs are behaving the way they do and it's because of the update.

As for how to deal with it? All you can do at this point is to carry a few more WBs in your army (used to carry 10, now 12) and not depend on them to get you as far into the base as before. Poorly designed T junctions can still be targeted if you can get the WBs off before your army engages the wall, but that only works for the first set of WBs and the timing is so hard it's nearly random. If you get WBs that zoom off to the side, you have to give them cover near that new spot and then launch them again closer to that spot. Yes it sucks. No there isn't anything better that can be done about it right now.

Can you post a screenshot?

did the base have double layer walls? Wallbreakers will avoid a double layer wall to target a single layer wall if close enough, perhaps that is what happened to you.

they also wont target the closest wall, it's walls between them and the closest fully or fairly compartmentalised building.

one of two things happened:

1) there was no defensive building behind the wall where you dropped the WBs, so it went left or right to target a wall that had a defensive building behind it.

2) the left and/or right side walls were damaged more than the middle section where you dropping the WBs, so they targeted the damaged (or more severely damaged) walls on either side.

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Originally Posted by bouges

Why should we pay money for a product that don't work right?

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First off, no one is forcing you to pay to play, that is your choice. I play, I don't pay.

Second, working "right" is subjective. SC programmed the new WB AI to what they deemed to be "right", but it's a grey area, not an absolute right vs wrong.

You may not like it so you may think it's not right, others may like it better now.

Either way, as was always true with WBs, you need to learn how they behave so that you can drop them with predictability. Knowing how they'll behave is more important than if they behave how YOU want them to.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

Either way, as was always true with WBs, you need to learn how they behave so that you can drop them with predictability. Knowing how they'll behave is more important than if they behave how YOU want them to.

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True, if they are predictable you can adapt, except they aren't very predictable anymore. When you have many cover troops nearing the walls, it's pretty much impossible to notice where the wall got nicked by an attacking troop, leading to the wallbreaker shooting off to the side when you drop it. The update broke them for serious strategic use.

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Originally Posted by brlight

You need to understand the AI of wall breakers. They target nearest building surrounded by walls.

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not anymore. If this was the case WB would not be hitting segemtns of wall that are already broken into. I am about to give up on Wallbarch.

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Originally Posted by halfbreed

THE UPDATE CHANGED THE WB AI. This is why you are now having problems.

Basically, WBs now preferentially target damaged walls, even if those damaged walls were just nicked and sometimes even over other compartments that have buildings in them. So if any of your cover troops happend to hit a wall semi-nearby, the WBs like to zoom off to that spot instead of the poorly designed T junction. If the wall has multiple spots damaged, it can lead to one zooming off one way and another zooming off another way. Even compartments that have been cleared out can have WBs still target them.

Stupid move on Supercell's part? Yes, very much so. Base designs with crappy outward facing T junctions are actually not that bad anymore due to the WBs unpredictability. Hopefully they fix them soon because right now the WB AI is pathetic.

Before anyone accuses me of not knowing what I'm talking about, my primary farming army has been WallBAG for many months now. I used to be able to precision target poorly designed junctions even inside bases. Not anymore. Also, I'm an ex game designer who worked for a very large company for many years. Understanding and tuning AI was part of my job description. I've watched replays and have seen exactly why the WBs are behaving the way they do and it's because of the update.

As for how to deal with it? All you can do at this point is to carry a few more WBs in your army (used to carry 10, now 12) and not depend on them to get you as far into the base as before. Poorly designed T junctions can still be targeted if you can get the WBs off before your army engages the wall, but that only works for the first set of WBs and the timing is so hard it's nearly random. If you get WBs that zoom off to the side, you have to give them cover near that new spot and then launch them again closer to that spot. Yes it sucks. No there isn't anything better that can be done about it right now.

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^^^THIS!^^^ I have tried carrying extra WB, but they still blow out the wrong spots.

I used to be able to almost perfectly predict where a WB would go, after the update they are totally unpredictable.

• I think they will hit the nearest wall with buildings? NOPE, they hit a segement that is already broken open.
• I think they will go strait in at the wall 2 spaces strait ahead? NOPE, they go left or right 5 spaces for no reason.

I kid you not, one time I used a grand total of 30 WB just to see how they would function. I found a nice "COMPARTMENTAL" box base. I timed the drop so they could target new spots. I dropped 2 at a time, for a total of 4 in each spot, spread out 5 squares apart. They freaking blew up a segement of wall that was not even attached to the base! They blew up compartments that were already opened, they blew up single left over segments, they did basically EVERYTHING except what they used to do.

The AI on WB is broken since the change... Totally broken now. And it is going to force players to use jump or hogs, or flying units. Ground troops will be obsolete if they do not fix the WB AI.