Fizzle Trap

My base idea was brought about by complaints about the use of lightning spells to zap DE from storages. While I do not have a problem with this tactic myself it got me thinking. There is no way to defend against the use of spells. So I came up with an idea that offers the possibility of limiting that tactic.

At it's core the Fizzle Trap simply alters the behavior of whatever spell effect triggers it. It would react different depending on which spell radius triggers it. It never completely neutralizes the spell, but it does cause a little chaos. As the Fizzle Trap levels up it would be able to react to more than one spell at a time and would have a slightly longer window to react.

Lvl1 = Fizzle 1 spell. Lasts 5 seconds.
Lvl2 = Fizzle 2 up to spells. Lasts 10 seconds.
Lvl3 = Fizzle 3 up to spells. Lasts 15 seconds.

If somebody dropped 4 lightning spells at once on a lvl 1 Fizzle trap it would only fizzle one of those spells and the other three would work as normal. If they dropped 4 lightning spells at once on a lvl 3 fizzle trap it would fizzle 3 of them, and the 4th would work as normal. The effective duration of the Fizzle Trap would also go up as they were upgraded. If somebody dropped 1 lightning spell on a lvl 3 Fizzle Trap, then waited 15 seconds the trap would fade and the next 3 lightning spells would work as normal.

Lightning Spell: The Fizzle Trap deflects some of the lightning bolts at walls or attacking troops. Some bolts are unaffected.

Heal Spell: Either does not heal some of the targets in it's range for the duration of the spell, or damages them while the Fizzle Trap is active. Other troops in range get the normal heal effect.

Rage Spell: Converts into a fear spell and sends some of the troops effected by the rage spell running for the closest corner of the map at full rage speed for the duration of the fizzle. Other troops receive the normal rage effect.

Jump Spell: Works as a spring trap to some troops who can normally impacted by spring traps, larger units get a pushback effect of say 3 or 4 squares. Other troops receive normal jump spell effect.

Freeze Spell: Some troops are frozen in place. During their freeze they take double damage. Other troops are unaffected.

The Fizzle Trap would be new at TH8 with one upgrade available at TH9 and TH10 and you would only receive 1. As always opinions and ideas are welcome. Thank you for taking the time to review my ideas.

Edited to fine tune a few details. I really thought this would generate more interest, especially since there have been new threads created since I added this complaining about DE zapping. Oh well. If it is a ♥♥♥♥ idea I will let it die.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Edited to fine tune a few details. I really thought this would generate more interest, especially since there have been new threads created since I added this complaining about DE zapping. Oh well. If it is a ♥♥♥♥ idea I will let it die.

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Could be overpowered at that last level, three spells is alot.

But, maybe a counter to this would be alright, a counter spell maybe that removes one 'fizzle' ability

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Originally Posted by EpicChris

Could be overpowered at that last level, three spells is alot.

But, maybe a counter to this would be alright, a counter spell maybe that removes one 'fizzle' ability

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mabe the jump spell counters it?cause even with the buff,they are still slightly underpowered

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Originally Posted by P12321

mabe the jump spell counters it?cause even with the buff,they are still slightly underpowered

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Exactly, thats my point. Also it would stop Zapping, the only reliable DE source at TH7

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Originally Posted by EpicChris

Could be overpowered at that last level, three spells is alot.

But, maybe a counter to this would be alright, a counter spell maybe that removes one 'fizzle' ability

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3 spells, but only if they are cast within range in the 15 seconds that the fizzle trap is active. If you drop one rage, notice the fizzle and wait 15 seconds the next 2 spells would be unaffected. Same with zapping DE. If you dropped all 3-4 spells at once it could diminish most of them. However, if you dropped one, waited a few seconds then dropped the rest you could still zap for DE with only a loss on the first spell. This would encourage people to use them more strategically instead of 100% of the time next to the DE storage. You could get a lot better return on the trap if it was placed in the path of attackers.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

3 spells, but only if they are cast within range in the 15 seconds that the fizzle trap is active. If you drop one rage, notice the fizzle and wait 15 seconds the next 2 spells would be unaffected. Same with zapping DE. If you dropped all 3-4 spells at once it could diminish most of them. However, if you dropped one, waited a few seconds then dropped the rest you could still zap for DE with only a loss on the first spell. This would encourage people to use them more strategically instead of 100% of the time next to the DE storage. You could get a lot better return on the trap if it was placed in the path of attackers.

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Make it less than 15 seconds please

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Originally Posted by EpicChris

Make it less than 15 seconds please

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5/7/10, or just two levels would also work. The basic idea here is to add a mechanism for a level of defense against what currently has no counter. Spells work exactly as they do every time with no risk or consideration needed to account for the unforeseen. This would change that if cleverly placed. Other times it would make no difference at all.

As much as the fizzle trap sounds cool, and how it is being described seems to work for limiting the impact of de grabbing, it just seems easier for SC to reduce the damage lightning spells do to resource buildings.

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Originally Posted by Hushdatnoise

As much as the fizzle trap sounds cool, and how it is being described seems to work for limiting the impact of de grabbing, it just seems easier for SC to reduce the damage lightning spells do to resource buildings.

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It would impact more than just lightning spells, and if you are willing to wait for 10 seconds to drop your second spell it would not change zapping all that much. If the spells are dropped hastily it would have much more impact on the battle.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

It would impact more than just lightning spells, and if you are willing to wait for 10 seconds to drop your second spell it would not change zapping all that much. If the spells are dropped hastily it would have much more impact on the battle.

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Yes, this is why I feel it is better to deal with the unpopular problem, than just nurf every spell in 1 go.

No. This has little impact on zappers, and a giant effect on everyone else. All a zapper will have to do is drop 1 spell, wait the timer, and then drop the rest. Whereas, during raiding, that trap is far too overpowered, and can ensure a victory with just that one trap.

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Originally Posted by Hushdatnoise

Yes, this is why I feel it is better to deal with the unpopular problem, than just nurf every spell in 1 go.

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I don't look at this so much as a nerf as it is introducing a new defensive dynamic. Currently there is a counter to pretty much every tactic, troop and layout in the game . . . except spells. There is no defense or strategy that impacts their use in any way. This simply provides a way to partially defend against spells if they are dropped in a small proximity of the trap.

While I did not give detailed examples in my original post I did try to explain that it was not a complete nerf of the spells. For instance the Rage spell would backfire on say 10% of the troops effected by it (1 dragon out of 10 or 3 barbarians out of 30 would run in terror) with a 25% chance of an additional 10%. Not enough to completely ruin your attack but it may be the difference between 2 stars and 3.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

I don't look at this so much as a nerf as it is introducing a new defensive dynamic. Currently there is a counter to pretty much every tactic, troop and layout in the game . . . except spells. There is no defense or strategy that impacts their use in any way. This simply provides a way to partially defend against spells if they are dropped in a small proximity of the trap.

While I did not give detailed examples in my original post I did try to explain that it was not a complete nerf of the spells. For instance the Rage spell would backfire on say 10% of the troops effected by it (1 dragon out of 10 or 3 barbarians out of 30 would run in terror) with a 25% chance of an additional 10%. Not enough to completely ruin your attack but it may be the difference between 2 stars and 3.

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It just seems unnecessarily complex. To fix the DE gathering from lightning spell smash and grab, it just seems easier on all relevant levels to reduce the damage they do to resource buildings.

i think thats too op

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Originally Posted by ChiefJoshuaCOC

i think thats too op

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What about my alternative?

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Originally Posted by Hushdatnoise

It just seems unnecessarily complex. To fix the DE gathering from lightning spell smash and grab, it just seems easier on all relevant levels to reduce the damage they do to resource buildings.

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While people complaining about DE zapping is what sparked this thought it is not the intent of the idea. Personally I don't have a problem with resource zapping. Irritating, but it fits the mechanic of the game so I don't see it as a problem. This could be used for that but it would be a waste of the trap. This was an idea designed to offer a means of defense against spells in general, not against resource zapping specifically.

I love the idea of a "Fizzle" trap to reduce the power of spells. I think it's a fantastic concept, and it can certainly turn the tide of a battle.

That being said, your idea is a bit too complex and a bit too overpowered to do the things you are suggesting. One Fizzle trap could completely destroy an expensive attack... probably not a good idea.

Instead, keep it very simple: the Fizzle trap reduces the duration of any trap that activates it. Each higher level reduces the duration by even more.

This would effectively make potions still USEFUL, but it would also reduce their usefulness during an attack by not allowing them to linger so long and have a full effect in the course of the battle.

My two cents.

- Xcite

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Originally Posted by Xcite

I love the idea of a "Fizzle" trap to reduce the power of spells. I think it's a fantastic concept, and it can certainly turn the tide of a battle.

That being said, your idea is a bit too complex and a bit too overpowered to do the things you are suggesting. One Fizzle trap could completely destroy an expensive attack... probably not a good idea.

Instead, keep it very simple: the Fizzle trap reduces the duration of any trap that activates it. Each higher level reduces the duration by even more.

This would effectively make potions still USEFUL, but it would also reduce their usefulness during an attack by not allowing them to linger so long and have a full effect in the course of the battle.

My two cents.

- Xcite

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A perfectly acceptable alternative. Simply some way to defend against spells. If anything spells would be overpowered presently because there is no defense available, only unquestioned benefit to the attacker. Seems like a very logical avenue to investigate in the ever changing landscape of game balance.