How does a TH9 get 3 stars now?

Honestly, I would really like to know how a th9 can get 3 stars against another TH9 in clan war now. With hogs being worthless now and heros being brick walls on defense how in the world do you get 3 stars? I'm a maxxed out th9 with level 25 heros and I use to dominate th9's in clan war, now I'm losing with a 41 hog raid getting 2 stars and 90% because giant bombs and heros... Come on supercell... really? Worst update ever in my opinion. Anyone care to voice their thoughts? I'm really disappointed in the game developers on this, th9 just became incredibly weak offensively.

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Originally Posted by Rageaster

Honestly, I would really like to know how a th9 can get 3 stars against another TH9 in clan war now. With hogs being worthless now and heros being brick walls on defense how in the world do you get 3 stars? I'm a maxxed out th9 with level 25 heros and I use to dominate th9's in clan war, now I'm losing with a 41 hog raid getting 2 stars and 90% because giant bombs and heros... Come on supercell... really? Worst update ever in my opinion. Anyone care to voice their thoughts? I'm really disappointed in the game developers on this, th9 just became incredibly weak offensively.

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I'm about halfway maxed th 9, expect walls, and I three star other th 9 everywar. in the last war that just finished last night i took out two th 9. Its not that hard.

One word: Dragons

those relying on hogs .. r getting No where by now ... not out problem the defenders dont have an anti-Hog base

id suggest u use GOWIPE or GOWIWI

Why should you expect to get 3* is my question? If someone works very hard on their TH9 defensively it should be near impossible for another TH9 to get 3* on them imo. Mass dragons should get slaughtered by any reasonable TH9 base design. The only way a TH9 should be defeated with drags is by having a terrible base design.

If your opponent has a great TH9 base work on getting a good 2* on them. Anything from Loons, drags, giant/wiz blitz, or GoWi__ armies will get you this with a bit of planning... and if they don't have hog traps then give hogs a go. I've still had a 3* vs a TH9 in our last CW. They are not dead against designs with no traps for them.

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Originally Posted by arch133

I'm about halfway maxed th 9, expect walls, and I three star other th 9 everywar. in the last war that just finished last night i took out two th 9. Its not that hard.

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Not a very helpful response. What types of armies are you using?

Hogs have still been working for me. I cut back on the number of hogs i use (28), and upped the number of wizards while bringing one rage for either the wizards or hogs at the core. Its not always a 3 star now, but its been winning me 4-6 stars every war.

Personally I use 40 barbs, 20 giants, and 20 wizards w/ 3 heal spells and one rage spell. Can bring a balloon / hog rider or 2 or 3 to lure the CC if needed and lower the number of barbs / wizards. Start by luring the CC, drop some barbs to tank the CC then quickly switch to drop a few wizards. Remember wizards 1 shot other wizards, so if you do it right a single wizard can kill all of theirs, just gotta get them stacked first and drop a barb to eat their volley. From there, drop your giants to tank, be sporadic on the first couple so if they run into a spring trap you lose 1 instead of 3. Drop the barbs in a fan to kill the outside buildings so when you drop wizards they'll go to the center. Drop half your wizards, and keep the rest in reserve to reinforce as needed. Use heal spells around their wizard towers, and a rage spell once your army gets closer to the middle and starts getting fire form the majority of their defenses. Watch how your army moves through their base, and drop wizards on the sides as needed to reinforce and pick off towers that are already targeting other units. I've been able to 2 or 3 star th9's regularly doing this... but it takes a bit more strategy than just dropping 40 hogs at the start =)

I have had Hog success using witches, wbs and a few wizards to distract heroes after baiting CC. Get the troops in the core by clearing some outside buildings much like GoWiWi first. Spot where the empty Big Bomb spaces are and drop heal overlapping the spot before hogs step on them. They need to be near full health when they trigger big bombs to be safe.

hogs got a patch?:confused:

Hogs are awesome.

GOWIPE or GOWIWI but I am still hogging th9s on my clan member's account for 3s with a new hog raiding style.

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Originally Posted by vicoftw

GOWIPE or GOWIWI but I am still hogging th9s on my clan member's account for 3s with a new hog raiding style.

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Care to elaborate on your new hog technique?

Balloononion seems to be working great still. Maybe you need to learn different troop combos insted of relying on the drop and watch.

I've been using a hog/drag combo pretty effectively. It's kind of all or nothing though. Either one star or three usually. This update just requires u to really look at the opponents base and figure out what attack u should use. Also, I'm not great with balloons but people on my team have been using dragloon pretty effectively at th9. Loons first then drop a drag on each side of where your attack was to steer the remaining drags to the middle where the is. This is usually only good for two stars though.

A well executed gowipe can get a th9 a three star.

My clans TH9's have easily 3 stared other TH9's with hogs with new update so its not impossible

You don't have to always get three stars to win a war.

8/9 Dragons with ballon/hog/triple lightning strike on the air defences. Its doable, take out the air defences = win!

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Originally Posted by Rageaster

Honestly, I would really like to know how a th9 can get 3 stars against another TH9 in clan war now. With hogs being worthless now and heros being brick walls on defense how in the world do you get 3 stars? I'm a maxxed out th9 with level 25 heros and I use to dominate th9's in clan war, now I'm losing with a 41 hog raid getting 2 stars and 90% because giant bombs and heros... Come on supercell... really? Worst update ever in my opinion. Anyone care to voice their thoughts? I'm really disappointed in the game developers on this, th9 just became incredibly weak offensively.

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I also hate the new update the whole fun of this game is attacking and the new hero update has taken that away they are way to hard to take out when I am raiding people!

Gowipe it.

GoWiWi with BOTH your heroes available give us 2 stars for sure if executed right. 3 stars only with higher level golem.

Three stars was way too easy before, and realistically, that shouldn't be the norm. If you're attacking an even or just below you base, two stars should be a sign of accomplishment, not three. That's how you know they've balanced the offense and the defense. People are upset bc they used to be good for 5-6 stars, but can now only get 1-2, those people need to adjust and use different strategies and also realign their think if what is realistically expected with new changes. We've seen very little drop off in terms of stars in our clan, mainly bc people have adopted strategies.

I happen to use gowiwi and get 4-5 stars fairly regularly.

Have you tried gowipe? I'd think that a well executed Gowipe with 2 level 25 heroes will tear a TH9 apart.

I'm thinking 2 rage 1 heal 1 lightning.

I'm a th8 and I took out a th9 in the last war with 3 stars. I used a mix of hogs and dragons and lightning spell. Lightninged one airdef. Sent in dragons near another airdef that was only in the 2nd layer in. Then once cc troops had gone for the dragons 30 seconds later, deployed hogs to take out another airdef. That left one remaining airdef to cross my fingers about.

always depends on the opponent though. Some bases can be tough to come up with a strategy for.

but without hogs I would not have 3 starred that attack.

i finished with a knocked out hero and 2 half dead dragons left :)

a couple of clan mates helped come up with the strategy to use, took a fair bit of planning.

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Originally Posted by Jobsian23

Three stars was way too easy before, and realistically, that shouldn't be the norm. If you're attacking an even or just below you base, two stars should be a sign of accomplishment, not three. That's how you know they've balanced the offense and the defense. People are upset bc they used to be good for 5-6 stars, but can now only get 1-2, those people need to adjust and use different strategies and also realign their think if what is realistically expected with new changes. We've seen very little drop off in terms of stars in our. clan, mainly bc people have adopted strategies.

I happen to use gowiwi and get 4-5 stars fairly regularly.

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This +1. I feel the Same way regarding your Opinions on TH9s in wars except I use GoWiPe.

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Originally Posted by CoCPlayer3574

One word: Dragons

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they don't work now either. I use a 10 level 3 dragon attack with 4 level 4 rage spells and I can barely get 2 stars. I use to be able to do it with no rage spells and have dragons left over. This last update stinks!!!

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Originally Posted by Charli3Murphy6

Balloononion seems to be working great still. Maybe you need to learn different troop combos insted of relying on the drop and watch.

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Hey everyone thanks for the responses it's just honestly frustrating. And I never just sat back and released mass hogs once. In my clan wars we face great clans and all if not most th9s have anti hog layout. I was saying before update I could 3 star these bases, took a lot of planning and careful selection but it was doable. Now post update I'm getting 2 stars against sub par th9 bases. I could understand if they had great defense but level 1 xbows and weak defense. It's all because of the giant bombs, a maxed out giant bomb just about destroys hogs level 5. It's crazy to me.

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Originally Posted by Jobsian23

Three stars was way too easy before, and realistically, that shouldn't be the norm. If you're attacking an even or just below you base, two stars should be a sign of accomplishment, not three. That's how you know they've balanced the offense and the defense. People are upset bc they used to be good for 5-6 stars, but can now only get 1-2, those people need to adjust and use different strategies and also realign their think if what is realistically expected with new changes. We've seen very little drop off in terms of stars in our clan, mainly bc people have adopted strategies.

I happen to use gowiwi and get 4-5 stars fairly regularly.

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I'm a maxed out th9 with level 9 walls I expect to demolish weaker th9s especially when they have level 1 xbows. Are the people commenting on this thread th9 or th10 because everyone keeps mentioning gowiwi but forgets I'm th9 and th9 gowiwi sucks.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Have you tried gowipe? I'd think that a well executed Gowipe with 2 level 25 heroes will tear a TH9 apart.

I'm thinking 2 rage 1 heal 1 lightning.

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Yeah because everyone has lv25 heros at th9 right?

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Originally Posted by Crunkstation

Yeah because everyone has lv25 heros at th9 right?

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Not everyone, but the OP do have them.

It's okay, i forgive your poor attempt at sarcasm and wit.

Two GoWiPe attacks from our last CW by me :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR_dhaOjF9s

hogs didn't get a patch what yall beaching about in here then? heroes get an update and you hogs don't work anymore, makes sense in this kindergarden, next you know we get 10 more wall and hogs get to tired from jumping over them:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Not everyone, but the OP do have them.

It's okay, i forgive your poor attempt at sarcasm and wit.

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AHAHAHAHA hogger don't have lv25 heroes :cool:

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Originally Posted by DiNatale

hogs didn't get a patch what yall beaching about in here then? heroes get an update and you hogs don't work anymore, makes sense in this kindergarden, next you know we get 10 more wall and hogs get to tired from jumping over them:rolleyes:

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I was maxed TH9 (Just upgraded to TH10 today) and my role in clan wars is to take out the most difficult TH9 base or weak TH10. I used to do them fairly easily with hogs. Since the update I have made the switch to valkyries instead.

I am using GoWiVa with 2 golems, 3 witch, 16 wizards, 10 valkyries, 4wb, 2 heal, 1 rage, 1 jump.
The idea is similar to GoWiWi, clear the left and right side with Golems and wizards then sent your main army Heros + CC troops from center and use jump spell to reach the core. Reaching the core should get you 2 stars but they will likely get stuck inside for some time. So you need to save some wizards and valkyries to clear the outside buildings and defenses.

Do check out some of my attacks against maxed bases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIXHeBiP-M4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH7QNrGhDkk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-z3Z2iVL6M

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Originally Posted by Rageaster

Hey everyone thanks for the responses it's just honestly frustrating. And I never just sat back and released mass hogs once. In my clan wars we face great clans and all if not most th9s have anti hog layout. I was saying before update I could 3 star these bases, took a lot of planning and careful selection but it was doable. Now post update I'm getting 2 stars against sub par th9 bases. I could understand if they had great defense but level 1 xbows and weak defense. It's all because of the giant bombs, a maxed out giant bomb just about destroys hogs level 5. It's crazy to me.

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Uhhhhhh yes u were. takes zero skill to draw royals, draw castle troops, relase hogs. Especially when you have 24 hours to prepare for it. Ya me another 3 star...

the hardest part was deciding how to pull out castle troops. Sorry, thats not skill. Skill is what you are going to start developing now. The guys w/ skill are still 3 starring with hogs right now lol. If u had great skill youd consider TH9 bases laughable w hogs, as most maxed TH10 s couldnt hold off a 3 star from a good hog guy in war.

Great Vids ZenCoC - been using something similar - pretty strong

Loons.
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Hogs work just fine, don't be a noob.

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Originally Posted by Jobsian23

Three stars was way too easy before, and realistically, that shouldn't be the norm. If you're attacking an even or just below you base, two stars should be a sign of accomplishment, not three. That's how you know they've balanced the offense and the defense. People are upset bc they used to be good for 5-6 stars, but can now only get 1-2, those people need to adjust and use different strategies and also realign their think if what is realistically expected with new changes. We've seen very little drop off in terms of stars in our clan, mainly bc people have adopted strategies.

I happen to use gowiwi and get 4-5 stars fairly regularly.

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I agree. I think it's just a matter of improvising now. Before a hog attack was one attack that worked 90% of the time. Now it's back to using different attacks based upon the opponent's defense and setup.

You should still be able to three star a lot of bases with hogs. Witches combined with hogs are pretty hard to stop and if don't have to worry about a double giant bomb in a place that cannot be easily triggered, it should be a victory.

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Originally Posted by Rageaster

I'm a maxed out th9 with level 9 walls I expect to demolish weaker th9s especially when they have level 1 xbows. Are the people commenting on this thread th9 or th10 because everyone keeps mentioning gowiwi but forgets I'm th9 and th9 gowiwi sucks.

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Im im not quite maxed Th9, just finished my first L3 xbow since I previously posted as well as a handful of other upgrades. But I have L2 Golems, L2 Witches, L5 Wiz and L10 BKing and L9 AQ. Getting two is pretty standard for me, though admittedly it's closer than I'd like.

3 Golems, 2 Witches, 22(?) Wizards, 9 WBs, rest Archers, full rage, CC of hogs usually

Hog does takes skill to execute against a maxed TH9 with a well design anti hog layout and decently high level heroes.

The problem with mass hogs is that it is a 3 star strategy, anything less should be considered a failure. OP is saying is that there is no more a reliable strategy to earn 3 stars against the stronger TH9. Sure it can still work against the weaker TH9 or bad design layout etc... With the new update the combination of unlurable heroes + double giant bombs instant killing hogs makes it far too risky to even attempt using hogs against the maxed Th9.

The best bet I will say is to switch to GoWiPe/GoWiWi variants. I personally have moderate success with Gowiwi + Valkyries + jump spell.

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Originally Posted by Rageaster

Are the people commenting on this thread th9 or th10 because everyone keeps mentioning gowiwi but forgets I'm th9 and th9 gowiwi sucks.

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A member of my clan (TH9) dominates TH9 opponents using GoWiWi. What do you mean it "sucks" at TH9 against TH9 opponents?

Here is what he uses: 1 golem (L2), 4 giants (L6), 7 wall breakers (L5), 9 wizards (L5), 10 witches (L2), and a clan castle full of L5+ wizards. Spells: 2 rage, 2 healing (sometimes he uses a jump spell instead of a healing spell).

Maybe you suck at using the strategy, but the strategy itself is sound.

hi iam also a th 9 and really pains hogs strat rarely works now... i also had this question in mind... and most of the reply sucks... they keep saying HOGS are still OK ♥♥♥ dude DO YOU EVEN CLASH??? GOWIWI GOWIPE th10 plays not for th 9 (yes it works but having their full potentials on a TH10 thats what i mean) really hard for a th9 now a days.. regarding on the troop set no one has the answer yet. try experimenting on your troops :) so hard to find answers specially on the trolls around us hahahahha!

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Originally Posted by harry168

hi iam also a th 9 and really pains hogs strat rarely works now... i also had this question in mind... and most of the reply sucks... they keep saying HOGS are still OK ♥♥♥ dude DO YOU EVEN CLASH??? GOWIWI GOWIPE th10 plays not for th 9 (yes it works but having their full potentials on a TH10 thats what i mean) really hard for a th9 now a days.. regarding on the troop set no one has the answer yet. try experimenting on your troops :) so hard to find answers specially on the trolls around us hahahahha!

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I just posted the specific army composition that my TH9 teammate uses (GoWiWi) to crush strong TH9 bases as a TH9 himself. I'm not saying what he does is "easy," but it certainly works. Is this "the" answer? I don't know, but it is certainly "a" answer.

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Originally Posted by harry168

hi iam also a th 9 and really pains hogs strat rarely works now... i also had this question in mind... and most of the reply sucks... they keep saying HOGS are still OK ♥♥♥ dude DO YOU EVEN CLASH??? GOWIWI GOWIPE th10 plays not for th 9 (yes it works but having their full potentials on a TH10 thats what i mean) really hard for a th9 now a days.. regarding on the troop set no one has the answer yet. try experimenting on your troops :) so hard to find answers specially on the trolls around us hahahahha!

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Have you read my reply on post #37? http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post2348951

All my attacks are on max or near max TH9. I was even able to 2 star TH10 with max defense using TH9 army.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIXHeBiP-M4

GoWiWi / GoWiPe /GOWiVa all works on TH9 with 220 army camps. It just more precise and less forgiving. You need to make adjustment on what you want to sacrifice. Should i use less wizards or breakers? or should I use 2 golems instead of 3? I find the new jump spell really useful for TH9 attacks as you require way less wb to get in to the core and get a easy 2 star.

Yes, supercell has changed the game so that getting 3 stars is no longer easy. You have work for it. The difference between good and strong clans is their ability to 3 stars TH10/TH9 bases. Everyone can 2 stars with gowiwi/gowipe/drags/loonions easily. Its the 3 stars that really counts now.

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Originally Posted by Rageaster

Honestly, I would really like to know how a th9 can get 3 stars against another TH9 in clan war now. With hogs being worthless now and heros being brick walls on defense how in the world do you get 3 stars? I'm a maxxed out th9 with level 25 heros and I use to dominate th9's in clan war, now I'm losing with a 41 hog raid getting 2 stars and 90% because giant bombs and heros... Come on supercell... really? Worst update ever in my opinion. Anyone care to voice their thoughts? I'm really disappointed in the game developers on this, th9 just became incredibly weak offensively.

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valk/golem comp. checkout my thread http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...3-star-CW-army

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBGood

A member of my clan (TH9) dominates TH9 opponents using GoWiWi. What do you mean it "sucks" at TH9 against TH9 opponents?

Here is what he uses: 1 golem (L2), 4 giants (L6), 7 wall breakers (L5), 9 wizards (L5), 10 witches (L2), and a clan castle full of L5+ wizards. Spells: 2 rage, 2 healing (sometimes he uses a jump spell instead of a healing spell).

Maybe you suck at using the strategy, but the strategy itself is sound.

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Interesting comp, not really a standard gowiwi since he obviously isn't using golem to tank but rather take fire till mass witch is laid down. Care to post pic of the base he 3 starred with this comp.

Th9 clan war comp.
Here's my comp can 2 star high th10s
1 golem
cc golem
5 WB
3 pekkas
4 whitches
5 WB
12 wiz
rest barbs and archers more barbs then archers
spells
i use 2 rage 1 lighting and a jump works very good for me

Use balloon-hog combo. The balloons to clear all defenses in the outer layer, and hogs to destroy the core.

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Originally Posted by Hulkified

Interesting comp, not really a standard gowiwi since he obviously isn't using golem to tank but rather take fire till mass witch is laid down. Care to post pic of the base he 3 starred with this comp.

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He three starred two tough TH9s in our last war using this composition (one with just seconds to spare, but still got it done). I'll try to find time to screenshot the bases and post later. I'm still at TH8, so I don't have any personal experience with GoWiWi and wasn't aware the composition I noted is anything but standard. It certainly works!

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Originally Posted by BoardGuest808888

Use balloon-hog combo. The balloons to clear all defenses in the outer layer, and hogs to destroy the core.

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How many hogs/balloons do you use? Do you clear CC troops first? What about spells?

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Originally Posted by Bray911

Th9 clan war comp.
Here's my comp can 2 star high th10s
1 golem
cc golem
5 WB
3 pekkas
4 whitches
5 WB
12 wiz
rest barbs and archers more barbs then archers
spells
i use 2 rage 1 lighting and a jump works very good for me

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How do you deploy these troops?

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBGood

How many hogs/balloons do you use? Do you clear CC troops first? What about spells?

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Hogs 12-15, archers 15, barbarians 10, rest are balloons. If the CC troops can be lured, use balloons to lure, otherwise don't bother. The balloons will attack outer layer and lure the CC troops anyway. Once your balloons were destroyed, the CC troops are already out. Use barbarians/archers, lightning and heroes to kill them. Then send your hogs to the core. If the core is not trapped, the hogs should be able to destroy everything there (use heal and rage). Once the core defenses are gone, the hogs should target town hall or heroes (which usually also near the core). Use another rage. Level 5 hogs have 100+ dps. With rage, even if the hogs left only 10, should have total dps at least 1500 (enough to kill heroes in 3-4 seconds).

Note : this will not work if the base's core is rigged with giant bombs.

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Originally Posted by Babs2972

they don't work now either. I use a 10 level 3 dragon attack with 4 level 4 rage spells and I can barely get 2 stars. I use to be able to do it with no rage spells and have dragons left over. This last update stinks!!!

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Oh I see what the issue you're having with your dragon attacks are: you're terrible at it.

If you bring anything other than all heal spells and fail to 3-star the base you're hitting, it is completely your fault for not going in with the right army composition. Having 10 dragons is its own rage spell, they 1- to 2-shot everything in packs.

You have 2 goals to accomplish when hitting a base with dragons:
1) Keep as many as you can alive for as far into the battle as possible, and
2) Locate and destroy w/ heroes or CC troops the key outer "filler" building(s) on either side that will force the dragons to head to the core where the ADs are, otherwise you'll have your dragons farting around on barracks and collectors while Lvl 5/6 ADs eviscerate them from the center.

When you drop a rage, you make the dragons go from 2-shotting buildings to one-shotting them, in a very small radius. they pass through that ring in a matter of 2-3 seconds, making the spell worthless for its remaining duration. The bigger impact is that you have nothing to regenerate the dragons' health after they take hits from black balloons and the ADs. Every time you lose a dragon you lose 10% of your total DPS on your raid. This is why you are able to consistently get 2-stars in a matter of the first 30-40 seconds when you have them ripping through the base with 4 rage spells, but you will never, ever 3-star it. Not unless you're hitting TH7s or TH8s with weak AD, but then you may as well 3-star it with a cheaper army.

People get chopped in my clan if they fail to 3-star a dragon raid b/c they brought lightnings or rages with them, b/c it is such a rookie mistake and they should know better. That's how 10-year olds raid. So don't jump onto this hog-raiding thread and try tagging your dragon raiding woes to the subject when it is entirely user-error.

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How do you deploy these troops?

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Cc golem first Then your golem And rage spell your golems
Spread out some wiz to take out some buildings Then Your WB Bye then your golems should have broken throught the 2nd layer.Next drop your witches were your cc golem was droped In case on giant bomb.Next your pekkas and heros jump your pekkas to the center if your heros make in to your good Just watch your place meant of the Pekkas drop 1 by 1 to see were they go.Save a rage spell To drop on the th In case they have Cc troop (They will) lighting them.

good luck

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Originally Posted by arch133

I'm about halfway maxed th 9, expect walls, and I three star other th 9 everywar. in the last war that just finished last night i took out two th 9. Its not that hard.

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I bet those lvl9 twnhall havent got good base layout.. Lol

Have been experimenting with Hogs with Witches support since update and you can still 3* with them granted you distract CC and the Queen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHhwVIcJfmU&list=UUacGk0gsZwhHCodNwY0Q Q-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfj3KA_Ns3Q&index=1&list=UUacGk0gs ZwhHCodN wY0QQ-A

They are by no means 'tough' bases per se and I did make a couple of mistakes in each raid. Still got the job done though.

Don't be mad because you simply cannot get 3 stars with a brainless strategy such as the hog riders.

If your thinking about three staring a th10, won't happen unless they're premiere, but someone in my clan did three star a max th9 in clan wars, reply to me if you want me to post it.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Oh I see what the issue you're having with your dragon attacks are: you're terrible at it.

If you bring anything other than all heal spells and fail to 3-star the base you're hitting, it is completely your fault for not going in with the right army composition. Having 10 dragons is its own rage spell, they 1- to 2-shot everything in packs.

You have 2 goals to accomplish when hitting a base with dragons:
1) Keep as many as you can alive for as far into the battle as possible, and
2) Locate and destroy w/ heroes or CC troops the key outer "filler" building(s) on either side that will force the dragons to head to the core where the ADs are, otherwise you'll have your dragons farting around on barracks and collectors while Lvl 5/6 ADs eviscerate them from the center.

When you drop a rage, you make the dragons go from 2-shotting buildings to one-shotting them, in a very small radius. they pass through that ring in a matter of 2-3 seconds, making the spell worthless for its remaining duration. The bigger impact is that you have nothing to regenerate the dragons' health after they take hits from black balloons and the ADs. Every time you lose a dragon you lose 10% of your total DPS on your raid. This is why you are able to consistently get 2-stars in a matter of the first 30-40 seconds when you have them ripping through the base with 4 rage spells, but you will never, ever 3-star it. Not unless you're hitting TH7s or TH8s with weak AD, but then you may as well 3-star it with a cheaper army.

People get chopped in my clan if they fail to 3-star a dragon raid b/c they brought lightnings or rages with them, b/c it is such a rookie mistake and they should know better. That's how 10-year olds raid. So don't jump onto this hog-raiding thread and try tagging your dragon raiding woes to the subject when it is entirely user-error.

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Dragon with heal is horrible when you are up against decent air defenses.

Plus, mass dragon attacks have problems with time running out so a rage or 2 is required.

Also, depending on the design of the base you are attacking, 3 loghtning spells on a single AD can sometimes be effective.

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Dragon with heal is horrible when you are up against decent air defenses.

Plus, mass dragon attacks have problems with time running out so a rage or 2 is required.

Also, depending on the design of the base you are attacking, 3 loghtning spells on a single AD can sometimes be effective.

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it's funny -- not that we'd ever kick someone for failing on a raid -- but i would be far more inclined to kick someone for using heals with dragons than someone using rages/lightnings.

lightnings to take out any AD you want can be a huge boon to an all dragon raid.

and while i agree that rage's increased damage isn't that big a factor for dragons, the increased movement speed is precisely what dragons lack. their health pools are plenty large already.

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Originally Posted by resnullius

it's funny -- not that we'd ever kick someone for failing on a raid -- but i would be far more inclined to kick someone for using heals with dragons than someone using rages/lightnings.

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We just faced a clan that did a beautiful job against our TH8s using 2 heals and 1 rage. They got the drags to the cores where all the AD was and just laid out heals until all the AD and the TH was destroyed. Never seen it done before. Used to be a true believer in rage only for drags. But heals can work.

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Originally Posted by matthewepolly

We just faced a clan that did a beautiful job against our TH8s using 2 heals and 1 rage. They got the drags to the cores where all the AD was and just laid out heals until all the AD and the TH was destroyed. Never seen it done before. Used to be a true believer in rage only for drags. But heals can work.

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What are the AD levels? As well as other anti-air defenses?

I've always used heal spells with dragons. From TH7-TH10. Have a fair amount of CW wins with this as well. Sure I bring a rage or two as well, but always have heal also (and now freeze as a TH10). I'm quite often just going for a 2* vs solid TH10 bases so the heal spells are a massive help to me.

It is very common of poorly thought out TH9s to have normal bases as opposed to Anti-Hog bases.
Though, if they do have one it seems that an Air based attack or the higher level attacks of GoWiWi and GoWiPe have considerably better chances.

Hog riders are not brainless. It is how they are used that matters. Before the upgrade, we had people using hogs badly, and we made them much better. Really good attackers, using complicated tactics, could go after very good bases.They usually combined with other troops to do well; the base dictated what they used. The only thing that has changed now is that they have made it harder to attack as high as you could before with the same tactics. Calling them brainless is only revealing your limited imagination. Supercell has simply made it more expensive, requiring you to buy more loot-expensive troops, to be truly successful. They did not like how cheap hog riders were. I cannot say I am happy spending more time building troops to attack the same bases now..makes it boring for me. I wanted to use the top troops on even higher level bases, not take them to the same places that hogs used to dominate.

Even if I accept hogs being too easy, I will search for quick ways to raid more frequently. I hate waiting forever to attack cool bases. I just feel like these upgrades are designed to make cooking troops take longer sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Rageaster

th9 just became incredibly weak offensively.

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Big Bomb's do decimating damage to hogs.
Heros stay put in their spot.

I'd say the contrary - that TH9 got A LOT stronger defensively.

TH10's also got the level 5 Pekka which I'm guessing was to add some balance to the new defensive buff clash got over the last update.

I can still 3 star with hogs, easy as... I can also always get 2 if not 3 on TH10's.

but to be fair i think that's cause of my heroes being pretty good level, hogs are as till usable but you have to be a bit more tactful now

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Originally Posted by matthewepolly

We just faced a clan that did a beautiful job against our TH8s using 2 heals and 1 rage. They got the drags to the cores where all the AD was and just laid out heals until all the AD and the TH was destroyed. Never seen it done before. Used to be a true believer in rage only for drags. But heals can work.

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i suppose that makes sense.

frankly, i've been th10 so long (and only attack th10s in clan wars) that i'm not sure what it would be like to go after a th8. i can think of "cheaper" armies that would 3-star a th8, too.

for th10s, inferno towers and their anti-healing basically makes using heal spells on dragons a phenomenal waste of time. the ad damage is much greater too (in addition to more air seeking mines).

heal spells simply don't work at higher levels unless you're using hogs and even then, they're most effectively used in conjunction with freezes.

... it really depends on what the base design of the defender is.

I've posted several TH9 3 star attacks on different base designs on my youtube channel. It might help. Good Luck!

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Originally Posted by amood98

those relying on hogs .. r getting No where by now ... not out problem the defenders dont have an anti-Hog base

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Last war I was a maxed TH8 waiting for my TH upgrade to finish. I 3 starred two TH9s with hogs. Just because it isnt easy any more doesnt mean it isnt possible. My first upgrade on my TH9 will still be hogs. I have the DE ready and waiting.

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Originally Posted by Rageaster

Honestly, I would really like to know how a th9 can get 3 stars against another TH9 in clan war now. With hogs being worthless now and heros being brick walls on defense how in the world do you get 3 stars? I'm a maxxed out th9 with level 25 heros and I use to dominate th9's in clan war, now I'm losing with a 41 hog raid getting 2 stars and 90% because giant bombs and heros... Come on supercell... really? Worst update ever in my opinion. Anyone care to voice their thoughts? I'm really disappointed in the game developers on this, th9 just became incredibly weak offensively.

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I agree with you! Recent update really sucks! I think its one of those updates that they are still developing, and its only in the next few updates we are going to see what their original intent was! As far as getting stars, I always thought that at the highest level gameplay (all troops maxed, all defences maxed) getting 3 stars was extremely rare and that 1 star was considered a huge victory. I was never a huge fan of three star system, for me its clean cut you either win or you loose. Unfortunately, getting 1 star in clan war is practically a loss.

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Originally Posted by Rageaster

Honestly, I would really like to know how a th9 can get 3 stars against another TH9 in clan war now. With hogs being worthless now and heros being brick walls on defense how in the world do you get 3 stars? I'm a maxxed out th9 with level 25 heros and I use to dominate th9's in clan war, now I'm losing with a 41 hog raid getting 2 stars and 90% because giant bombs and heros... Come on supercell... really? Worst update ever in my opinion. Anyone care to voice their thoughts? I'm really disappointed in the game developers on this, th9 just became incredibly weak offensively.

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GOWIPE dumbo

As a th8 I just 3 starred a th9 11 blocks above me using GoWiPe+Witches. I used witches the first time (in CC).

Earlier I did this using dragonloon on exposed air defense bases.

So I think with correct strategy and some luck you can 3 star them.

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Originally Posted by Rageaster

Honestly, I would really like to know how a th9 can get 3 stars against another TH9 in clan war now. With hogs being worthless now and heros being brick walls on defense how in the world do you get 3 stars? I'm a maxxed out th9 with level 25 heros and I use to dominate th9's in clan war, now I'm losing with a 41 hog raid getting 2 stars and 90% because giant bombs and heros... Come on supercell... really? Worst update ever in my opinion. Anyone care to voice their thoughts? I'm really disappointed in the game developers on this, th9 just became incredibly weak offensively.

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I agree completely with what your saying. Hogs already had nerfs no need to make a nuke for them. Multi infernos, double giant bomb traps did the trick. Now you cant lure heros and the 1.5x giant bomb. I mean this isnt even fair. I would like to see a spring trap be able to spring pekkas and golems now. thats how unfair i think it is. It should be good base designs that win not 1 good trap. th9 has no power in attacking unless your into balloonion that gets no where on th10 which im usually attacking. GoWi strats are boring to me now and drags dont do anything vs lvl7 air defenses. I have fun attacking not defending. Right now there is no fun in attacking. Take the giant bomb/nuke nerf out. Make archer towers and cannons do 1.5x damage on them. Thats a more reasonble tactic. You may of thought u were balancing supercell but in my mind you gave defenders way too much of an edge. If other players are like me i actually thought attacks through with hogs. Not every1 was good with them and u made nearly every1 who liked/used the strategy suffer.