How does a TH9 get 3 stars now?

Have been experimenting with Hogs with Witches support since update and you can still 3* with them granted you distract CC and the Queen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHhw...whHCodNwY0QQ-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfj3KA_Ns3Q&index=1&list=UUacGk0gs ZwhHCodN wY0QQ-A

They are by no means 'tough' bases per se and I did make a couple of mistakes in each raid. Still got the job done though.

Don't be mad because you simply cannot get 3 stars with a brainless strategy such as the hog riders.

If your thinking about three staring a th10, won't happen unless they're premiere, but someone in my clan did three star a max th9 in clan wars, reply to me if you want me to post it.

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Oh I see what the issue you're having with your dragon attacks are: you're terrible at it.

If you bring anything other than all heal spells and fail to 3-star the base you're hitting, it is completely your fault for not going in with the right army composition. Having 10 dragons is its own rage spell, they 1- to 2-shot everything in packs.

You have 2 goals to accomplish when hitting a base with dragons:
1) Keep as many as you can alive for as far into the battle as possible, and
2) Locate and destroy w/ heroes or CC troops the key outer "filler" building(s) on either side that will force the dragons to head to the core where the ADs are, otherwise you'll have your dragons farting around on barracks and collectors while Lvl 5/6 ADs eviscerate them from the center.

When you drop a rage, you make the dragons go from 2-shotting buildings to one-shotting them, in a very small radius. they pass through that ring in a matter of 2-3 seconds, making the spell worthless for its remaining duration. The bigger impact is that you have nothing to regenerate the dragons' health after they take hits from black balloons and the ADs. Every time you lose a dragon you lose 10% of your total DPS on your raid. This is why you are able to consistently get 2-stars in a matter of the first 30-40 seconds when you have them ripping through the base with 4 rage spells, but you will never, ever 3-star it. Not unless you're hitting TH7s or TH8s with weak AD, but then you may as well 3-star it with a cheaper army.

People get chopped in my clan if they fail to 3-star a dragon raid b/c they brought lightnings or rages with them, b/c it is such a rookie mistake and they should know better. That's how 10-year olds raid. So don't jump onto this hog-raiding thread and try tagging your dragon raiding woes to the subject when it is entirely user-error.

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Dragon with heal is horrible when you are up against decent air defenses.

Plus, mass dragon attacks have problems with time running out so a rage or 2 is required.

Also, depending on the design of the base you are attacking, 3 loghtning spells on a single AD can sometimes be effective.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Dragon with heal is horrible when you are up against decent air defenses.

Plus, mass dragon attacks have problems with time running out so a rage or 2 is required.

Also, depending on the design of the base you are attacking, 3 loghtning spells on a single AD can sometimes be effective.

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it's funny -- not that we'd ever kick someone for failing on a raid -- but i would be far more inclined to kick someone for using heals with dragons than someone using rages/lightnings.

lightnings to take out any AD you want can be a huge boon to an all dragon raid.

and while i agree that rage's increased damage isn't that big a factor for dragons, the increased movement speed is precisely what dragons lack. their health pools are plenty large already.

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Originally Posted by resnullius

it's funny -- not that we'd ever kick someone for failing on a raid -- but i would be far more inclined to kick someone for using heals with dragons than someone using rages/lightnings.

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We just faced a clan that did a beautiful job against our TH8s using 2 heals and 1 rage. They got the drags to the cores where all the AD was and just laid out heals until all the AD and the TH was destroyed. Never seen it done before. Used to be a true believer in rage only for drags. But heals can work.

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Originally Posted by matthewepolly

We just faced a clan that did a beautiful job against our TH8s using 2 heals and 1 rage. They got the drags to the cores where all the AD was and just laid out heals until all the AD and the TH was destroyed. Never seen it done before. Used to be a true believer in rage only for drags. But heals can work.

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What are the AD levels? As well as other anti-air defenses?

I've always used heal spells with dragons. From TH7-TH10. Have a fair amount of CW wins with this as well. Sure I bring a rage or two as well, but always have heal also (and now freeze as a TH10). I'm quite often just going for a 2* vs solid TH10 bases so the heal spells are a massive help to me.

It is very common of poorly thought out TH9s to have normal bases as opposed to Anti-Hog bases.
Though, if they do have one it seems that an Air based attack or the higher level attacks of GoWiWi and GoWiPe have considerably better chances.

Hog riders are not brainless. It is how they are used that matters. Before the upgrade, we had people using hogs badly, and we made them much better. Really good attackers, using complicated tactics, could go after very good bases.They usually combined with other troops to do well; the base dictated what they used. The only thing that has changed now is that they have made it harder to attack as high as you could before with the same tactics. Calling them brainless is only revealing your limited imagination. Supercell has simply made it more expensive, requiring you to buy more loot-expensive troops, to be truly successful. They did not like how cheap hog riders were. I cannot say I am happy spending more time building troops to attack the same bases now..makes it boring for me. I wanted to use the top troops on even higher level bases, not take them to the same places that hogs used to dominate.

Even if I accept hogs being too easy, I will search for quick ways to raid more frequently. I hate waiting forever to attack cool bases. I just feel like these upgrades are designed to make cooking troops take longer sometimes.